Guild Wars 2

displacedTitan.6897:

I think you guys need to realize the score MEANS NOTHING. Go out with a guild of people/randoms and just have fun trying to take a single keep, or to defend against terrible odds.
There are far to many variables for entire servers to be balanced. WvW is not balanced, ANet said that right from the start. Its not like the winners get something for “winning” at the end of the week.

How is it fun to run out and get crushed by 5 times your group size over and over and over …

You either PvE a door and hope the zerg doesnt show up before you take it down. Only with porting the zerg can be almost anywhere quickly. So you wander around taking supply camps and vacating them just as quickly as to not be zerged.

When you do engage in a fight, and try to extend you find that people NEVER stop chasing you. I have had at most 30 people, follow our group from North end to south end.

Short answer No.
Long answer Noooooooooooooooooooo.

@ryth

Community kept that game going more than anything else. I have heard too many people say they play wow because of friends they made in guilds. Over and over again people say, If it wasnt for the guild i would have stopped playing long ago.

I can say without a doubt that im enjoying this game much more because of the people i play with; who, for the most part, are not the same people i played with in wow.

In the end community can keep people playing much longer, but there needs to be things that bring people together.

If only all matches could be this balanced.

Buzzcrave.6197:

EB is the best map for fight imo. Problem is, most of the organize guild prefer borderlands over EB leaving EB full of pugs resulting a karma zerg train. Really kills the WvW in EB.

THe problem with that is there are zergs everywhere. The karma train has no breaks. My small group usually does hit and runs on zerg until they get 40 people to chase around the map. Its a laugh until you realize they are still chasing from north supply camp to your natural tower.

@dajman
While culling doesnt have the thief pop up after stealth the damage output can be huge on targets that dont know what happened to them in the small window.

Mug+BS+HS not including boons is enough to take down all but the most hardened targets. Assuming they fix the problem, things should change quite a bit for thieves. I dont think well see people as glass cannon as they are now. Now without some def abilities.

Halo.2403:

15% is way to much 5% or 10% but 15% is a little bit of a kitten take PW shouldnt be spammed but Thief has so little damage out put as it is.

I dont even understand this post. How do you not have damage output as a theif?

1 Fix Culling after stealth
2 ????
3 Balance

Perhaps it is to stop people with 4+ level 80s from farming ore ?

Ryth.6518:

My question to you is: What keeps people there (the other MMO) after they have gotten leveled up, got the gear and skins they like and grow tired of PvP/PvE?

The same thing that keeps people in most games. Community. Though the lack of server forums makes it kind of hard to expand said community.

People who post on forums are more often than not the vocal minority.

Ugh. Taking a tower/keep with decent number of defenders is a nightmare unless you plain outnumber them and have AOE to cover the walls. Having to burn through, all supply + walls/doors and any siege/players can take hours. 90% of that is watching idiots zerg back and forth as people push out of the door and then are pushed back inside both sides picking up almost meaningless kills. Followed closely by the wall being stuck in a time loop of being destroyed over and over as people repair it with 2 supply. If anything tower/keeps should change hands more to keep people interested.

@azure prower

Thats so far off base i cant even imagine it. Unless the thief is terrible and continues to spam abilites and not hit somone there should be enough time to return after the root. After that swap to SB and have enough to get one SS off to get away.

If as a theif you run all utility in order to kill someone and cant get away thats not the fault of a skill.

It was very interesting to PvP last night when this happened. Im constantly asking my group how many people are chasing. Although it made asssiting that much easier since i never saw anyone attacking me lol.

Munrock.3092:

It seems that instead of pay-to-skin removing the unfairness of pay-to-win, some peoples’ minds have adjusted by equating skinning with winning.

An investment banker can own a Ferrari, a yacht or a Legendary Guild Wars 2 Weapon. None of those things make him better at life than you, even though the marketing industry spends an awful lot of time corrupting your culture to make you think that.

The difference is that the Ferrari or yacht mean he’s leeching money out of the system, whereas with the Legendary Weapon he’s paying money into the system that benefits you by funding the people who are developing the game you are playing.

People still build those cars and boats so leech money out is not the correct phrase. While it may not impact us personally it does impact the people who make those items.

Buying a legendary will happen if they leave it open just like people buy said high end cars boats planes. Is it the right thing to do, well thats up to that person. Having heard some of the crazy things that have happened so far, i dont doubt people will buy it. I would much rather see people making them on there own than just purchase them outright. Since you can purchase just about every other part of the creation, i find the final item should be something the player should get the benefit of doing as opposed to investing money and getting it.

Maybe ill drop by this weekend to check it out since trying to get into WvW in higher tier servers is a bit of a pain.

IF underwater combat didnt feel so terrible for a thief i would almost agree with you… not really.

I was looking forward to working my way up to a legendary, until i saw this part was random. Then i kind of put it on hold until i get the OTHER parts which im in no rush for. Atleast the weapon would lead me to push to get the other parts done as i would feel like i had something tangible other than a endless grind and random hope. I understand it is supposed to be rare, but rare and random reminds me way too much of games id rather forget.

Narathkor.8541:

So lets get Anet to back it, wait till they make server xfers cost money, then give verified members of TA a one time free xfer to kain only.

Just wait till the last day im still have money in the pool that they will transfer there right before the paid transfers are in place.

Halseybr.9403:

The only way I can see what Kaide says to be true
of the blocking thing, is if he was arrogantly arguing and misusing chat in WvW till it became a problem.

This is basically what happened. Commander says one thing people disagree and the force becomes split dooming both attacks to failure.

5 hours of beating bags of health is not fun. There are some genuine fights in this game that are fun including Arah. However, it really feels like chipping away at a concrete wall with a hammer. One the mechanics are understood the fight should be faster but they arent.

Krathalos.3461:

They could just give Pistol Whip a short immobilize rather than a stun. At least they can try to interrupt us rather than be forced to attempt to use a break stun and roll out of the way.

So you want to buff it? Immobilize is possibly the best CC in the game.

The problem is that damage gear scales SOO much better than defensive gear short of a few defensive built classes. Its the reason why we have so many glass cannons running around. Add on to that the delay in rendering after invis (hello free HSS). We get a bunch of what seems perma invis thieves who can kill all but the most def classes. It almost makes me sad i picked a more balanced stat build. I dont kill as much as my bersker brothers, however, they better hope they kill me.

I mentioned this back in beta and was crushed by people telling me it was fine. Its nice to see fellow thieves feel this is underwhelming. I would really love to run this over shortbow.

There still issues for sure but its still fun to play in WvW for our team. Since i bought the game and theres no montly fee i dont mind taking a some time off to play other things. Theres no raids or things that must be done just fun when you want to have it (for some people).

I liked it. Its fun to see non pistol whip haste videos.

@enji
What are you talking about. Nobody said anything about building glass cannon and dieing to aoe.

Mother of god, people want it to be HARDER to take keeps/tower? A fully upgraded keep/tower has a huge force multiplier effect. Some things need to be changed like the instant door close on repair (and walls too).

Personally i wish taking a full upgraded keeps was easier so that it would happen more often.

Edit:

The other major difference was that aoe could hold off FAR more people in DAoC. I would love for the limit to go up in WvW from 5 to 10 or 15. This would allow for more door down defence.

The problem with Orr overall is that its just a straight shot into Arah once you have got there. On large servers the events are always pushed and the fail chance is so low as to make it almost a joke. DEs are more fun when they offer a challenge when its not just the mobs show up into a hail of AoE melting through waves in under 10 sec.

The way orr was explained i was expecting the server to need to come together and push as a community to get into Arah as multiple events poped up and needed to be taken care of as we pushed across the zones to finally gain access. A longer deeper battle that may take a day or 2 and open it up for as long as people defended points before finally being overwhelmed by the undead and pushed back having to fight again.

IST.2046:

kostbabis.8791:

AnthonyOrdon.3926:

Clearly this doesn’t apply to level-capped players, but have you considered targeting content at a higher level than your character? I prefer difficult content, so personally I tend to look for content that’s 2 levels higher than my own.

The point is not that it feels easy for us .The point is that since events never fail you have the same stage repeating over and over again which is more boring than a normal quests
The centaurs in kessex hills have been trying to make that bridge for hours and never managed to even touch it yet.Seriously thats a major flaw of the system ..People right now are everywhere and they are not only trivialising everything but they also make whole chains of events worthless since they never come up.

I’ve seen plenty of events fail.

Ive seen events fail, however, the major chains dont fail often enough. People that are comming in will never experience most of the events in the game. On Blackgate we almost always have arah and all the temples in Cursed Shore. In lower level zones the centaurs have never won.

@ZLE
True, however, if you let it expire you could technically stay stealthed “forever” if you are good at avoiding people until you have to put it up again. While its a more difficult play style it is something i see people will complain about and could lead to more nerfs than necessary for our class. I really do like the way stealth is done in this game, and though frustrating at points to fight against, giving it a revealed when it wears off in combat still allows for stacking but would give us a strong platform to tell people stealth is balanced.

I very much applaud the people who play that way it is far more difficult than many other builds and the payoffs seem very solid. It is def something i am going to look into for solo play.

God i would drop all my Traits if it became a stun break. 3 Stun breaks? Yes please

The only change to make to stealth would be to have after it ends in combat add revealed effect since it doesn’t when it expires naturally. This will hurt some players but it would be better in the long run.

WvW leveling system that gives Ranks that can be displayed so im more than an invader or defender. Also more variety of gear for badges, both in sytle and stat attachments.

Leaping Death Blossom

Swift.3812:

you will see “don’t attack ET” every 10 mins.

Better question: Why do you have a sub account on SBI?

Grub vs Oakheart(the one in NW corner) Who wins in a fight?

Its is supposed to give you distance over targets that chase you in melee giving you more room. I find its very usuful for kiting people away and casuing them to use more tools than they want to catch up.

It effects all pvp including wvw though the issues there are a bit different since we have more open spaces to get across. I dont play high level tPvP but i couldnt imagine it being as effective against a coordinated group of players. At the lower ends i have seen thiefs just HSS until the bar is empty and start to auto in the hope they are dead by then.

The problem then becomes to we change how a skill works based on the lower end of game play or the higher. Personally, i like the middle ground that they choose. It still has the power but it takes longer to get there.

Redscope.6215:

All I see wrong here is shadow refuge stealth stacking…prolly gonna be nerfed.

Just so you thieves don’t get caught with your pants down.

As a thief player stealth stacking in general needs to be nerfed. It is FAR too good.

Looria.8019:

Melphina.9035:

I enjoy watching people spam that ability like its the be all end all of D/D spec from 40% and down.

This is what concerns me.

Can you say about any other profession that they can “spam” with one skill anyone down from 40%? No. This isnt good design and you should not be able to do that. The fact that you enjoy it is for me sad, but also confirms that majority of ppl just spam heartseek until they are dry on innitiative, go stealth, wait for innitiative to get up and do the same thing over and over.

Which again leads to the class delivering high results with one or two skills and thus the class is very shallow compared to other professions.

What im saying is people spam the ability because it offers a lot with the berserker gear. However, these people are playing maybe 10% of the true effectiveness of a thief in any pvp(wvw or sPvP) situation. There are far more effective builds for killing people than HSS spam (see Haste+Pistol Whip or backstab build).

Now using HSS when they see players reach sub 30% hp to put them into the lowest level isnt a bad thing. Its when they start out using HSS when the player the person attacking is at 100% and thats just a matter of they will have to learn the hard way that we have 4 other abilities.

Not to rain on this parade of HSS is broken, But i havent noticed this problem my self and i am constantly in wvw. Perhaps its a update/travel time issue where at close to max range it doesn’t predict accurately enough. When my target is right infront of me or slowed i do not miss HSS. That or it has missed and im not paying attention as they just die.

Roll For Initiative: Stun break effect doesnt happen at the start. Because of this i only get the half the animation distance away.

Heart Seeker spam has been done away with from a damage perspective short of people who run berserker gear as they have no health and no toughness. So if we remove that because it should be viable as a burst build (which it is) we come down to the idea that Heartseeker should be changed to have more risk and thus more reward. The focus of course being damage and usage of resources to apply such damage.

If the idea is to have more damage based on our resource , build that generate more initiative will become common place as people will HSS followed by using everything to get it back up (making it MORE powerful) then HSS again. Most targets should be low allowing the thief to melee them down. Using Berserker gear this should be easy for anyone to 2 shot someone with said gear. The draw back is you have to get in range of that person. Not a complicated thing to do unless your plan it to 1v1 people and even then you can pop stealth to get a decent gap closer.

Or we could leave it the way it is since its NOT bad as it currently is. I enjoy watching people spam that ability like its the be all end all of D/D spec from 40% and down.

Really need to add Hacking/cheating to the report list. There is nothing on the list that is the correct severity. Scamming is the closest i guess.

Or we could leave it alone and let people who run full berserk gear die for it.

I think this would be a good way to use it as a forum of thief tools and builds. I still learn things to this day from my fellow thieves and getting more information out to players who ARENT thiefs is always good.

However, and this is a BIG however, the people involved have to be able to say something is TOO good for us. If we are just cheer leaders then it doesnt do any good.

Running D/D i would use LDB+Caltraps, Evade+cripple+bleed takes down even the toughest targets. I still use it to this day for solo pve. It only gets better with D-Storm.

0/30/0/20/20

This build is meant to maximize your to a point allowing for longer bursts and skills to be put out on the target, as well as adding mild group utility to your game play. The up side of this build is it allows you to run whatever you want to run weapon wise. It doesnt hold your feat to the fire saying you MUST go X weapon or you lose damage.

However, as with any build it has draw backs. This build as i gear it is not a 1v1 killing machine. It supports group play extremely well and makes you a hard target to kill using 2 stun breaks and teleports.

I would recommend this build to people who are looking to be part of small group combat where they are looking for fighting larger numbers of players.

Gear wise i would take power tough condition as you get a lot of crit from the skill tree. necks and rings can also augment crit.

Dacromir.6207:

Pneumothorax.2964:

Link isn’t working.

From the sounds of it, it is a nice build. One issue though, as far as I know, Fire Shield only does damage when you are struck making it much less useful.

Something about the forum is broken, thank you. I didn’t change the url, I just changed it from a link to plain text, and now it works.

As for fire shield, I’m basing this off of what I can find online. The wiki says

Grants the Fire Shield effect, burning foes that come within melee range.

However, even if the burning only applies when they hit you, that’s still pretty sweet. Either way, your enemy is taking lots of burning damage. Also, how does that work with multiple hits? If a warrior is hitting you with hundred blades, do they get a ton of burning because it’s 8 hits? If so… cool ^^

whats your plan to surive those hits ?

Karicus.8356:

Its hardly AUTO attack. You dont run up to a player and auto attack 15k

You have to stealth in, get behind them, trigger signet THEN hit. That’s hardly auto attack.

It is the life of a thief (and all stealthish type classes) to have anythign they do negated like that. You see that theres less complaints about a 100 Blade war because people " see it comming" vs anything that involves stealth openers.