Guild Wars 2

I found out that as long as I turn settings to MINIMUM, and participate as little as I can while keeping camera panned really close to the floor (aka I don’t help much on events) I can stay on DS maps no Dkittenil the MoM part.

During the MoM part, do the exact same thing, keep camera staring down at the floor zoomed in and try not to move too much. When the plant event spawns on your island then kill plant for personal reward bar to go up.

While this method is downright unhelpful to your team, at least you can make it to the end and unlock the merchant that sells plated weapons. GL!

Boils down to this: Ghastly Grinning Shield skin started losing value a long time before anything about recipes were even mentioned. Suddenly now, we are able to MF the skins through mystic forge, but now price already dropped from 4k gold to 500 gold when people first found out.

Yea, unless there was insider information leaked, Anet already said somewhere that the ghastly grinning shield skin will not be coming back. The price should have stayed at 4k gold until recently. Very obvious inside info leak.

This would be a good quality-of-life change if they added health bars above characters, but some people would not want it, so maybe add it as a toggle if possible

I don’t understand why you’re quoting me and quoting the AMA. Also, they have taken back their word before with the legendary weapons and only having 4 out of 16. I’m all for them bribing back my favor with free shared slots and dyes, but they still took back their word.

Right now though, 3/4-expansion-Mike is delivering just fine, even without new fractals

Moira Shalaar.5620:

I had thought Anet announced that there was going to be a new fractal with the quarterly update. I certainly didn’t see anything in the notes and now I cannot find where I might have seen that announcement. Did anybody else come across that same announcement? If so could you post where it was stated?

I do remember them saying new fractals are coming. But then again, it’s Anet and 3/4-expansion-Mike probably vetoed the new fractals for now … and then probably put off the table indefinitely.

What blue skins are these? o.o I have never heard of them before, please link me, someone!

Mike O Brien.4613:

Hi all,
…
…
Two weeks ago we polled the WvW community about Desert versus Alpine borderlands. The majority of players asked us to bring Alpine back. We’ll do that. It actually takes quite a bit of time to dust off old content and bring it up to the current game state, so it won’t happen in time for the quarterly release. Instead we’ll launch the quarterly update with improvements to Desert, use that as an opportunity to get the community’s feedback on those changes, then we’ll swap to Alpine when it’s ready. Changing borderlands maps like this will disrupt matches in progress, but we think that making changes on live servers, where everyone can test, is worth the cost.

I wanted to give this early heads-up about these areas. You already know quite a bit more about the things we’re working on for the April Quarterly Update, but I’ll stop here for now. I think our jobs are to delight you with what we ship, not with big talk or big promises. So hang tight. Release day will be here soon enough.

Half-Expansion-Mike

Originally, eotm was made to test features to add in to WvW. Any plans of putting things in eotm in alpine?

wrathmagik.3518:

Donari.5237:

They seem to be relying on keeping expectations nonexistent so anything we get seems major in comparison to the nothing we had.

Finally. Someone that gets it.

Its called “under promising and over delivering”

The first rule of business.

Unfortunately Arena net got this motto backwards for the last 3 years and the players lost all faith in them.

What really tickles me is that they’re reverting WvW changes and people are praising all over the place :P Revert any more and mo’ll be quarter-expansion-mike.

Morfedel.4165:

Spira.4578:

Morfedel.4165:

Brown knights?

Well, regardless, I’ve admitted in other posts people have a right to be upset. I’ve posted in another thread my speculation, though, that I think the real reason Collin left was that his reach exceeded his grasp, and that he overpromised on things he couldn’t deliver, and now MO is having to deal with it the best way he can, by making some decisions for the long term health of the company, by providing what they CAN provide to the most people it will impact most.

Can I prove it? Of course not. It’s speculation, and we aren’t being told anything. But I don’t think that this decision was made lightly, as MO admitted from his first post that he knew people would be upset. I think he came on with an “oh crap we can’t deliver all this that was promised,” and now he’s doing the best he can with the crap handed to him.

I mean, otherwise, why would they have done this? For kittens and giggles?

And that’s what I’m trying to point out: ANET didn’t LIE! A lie means they intentionally made promises they knew they wouldn’t keep; to me, this strikes of their thinking they could provide things they thought they could provide and realized they can’t, at least not at this time.

So they have to make tough decisions, the kind some people will be upset with but hoping a majority will be happy with in the long run. And I, for one, believing that 16 new legendaries would only impact a very tiny portion of the community, believe that, for the time being, based on the above premise, that this is probably the correct choice.

Frankly, I think they were plagued with a lack of direction, focus, and someone at the helm with a firm grasp of what they could reasonably accomplish. That, combined with some obvious missteps like not providing a free character slot with HoT, originally making Elite Specializations far harder to get, etc, compounded the problem, and now they are trying to get themselves back on a solid foundation.

Again, speculation. But what’s the alternative? Assuming they intentionally lied, just for the heck of it? Some Machiavellian plot to get more orders by promising something they knew they would never deliver on? Frankly, I find that second scenario more unlikely.

So, in a word, I do believe they are trying to make the best out of a bad situation. I DO think it’s ok for that segment of the population that bought HoT mostly for the legendaries to be angry, but I’m really not sure there was much that could have been done.

I was a bit harsh with some earlier posts directed at the Legend Hunter crowd, and for that I apologize, but I grow so weary of the toxicity in this community. It seems like there is always someone whining about something, and my own personal opinion has always been “if you don’t like it, just go somewhere else.” I vote with my feet and my wallet. I’ve never got onto a forum to make some dramatic post about my leaving because something sucked. I just left, and started playing something else.

Anyway, I will freely admit one thing: with only 6 devs on the team, I’m not really sure how much more of an impact they could make a team that already has so many more. But, well, again, we don’t see what impact these devs could make, so maybe it will be a good thing. But I think the majority of the community benefit more from more playable content than more legendaries that only a small fraction of the people will get.

You are aware that MO was Colin’s boss, right?
You know that it was MO who was controling anet all along- Colin was simply the excited guy who was being used for various promotions ect.

Sorry, at work and can’t reply everything right now, but I can reply to this:

go check out the thread about bog otter’s video. We’ve already been discussing this, where several people now have commented on the culture of managers and middlemen: sometimes the upper tier managers don’t know whats going on because the lower tier managers LIE to them. You know, “Oh no, everything’s fine, we just had a brief delay,” etc etc.

Again, we don’t know for sure what happened, but people seem to think that upper tier managers know everything going on beneath them, and fact of the matter is, that’s not always true.

I have several facts to check with you:
1.
A choice was presented to us via this thread: live content or legendary weapons. But why not both? They sold HoT to us with the promise of both pieces of content. Deliver what you sold to us.

2.
Along that path, Anet has limited resources. Mike says he can’t spare 6 to continue working on legendary weapons (content we paid for) but around 70 are working on content that no one paid for yet.
My main point is that they should prioritize on delivering a product they sold if their resources were spread thin, instead of working on a new one that no real life money has gone into. In regards to the next expansion, here are quotes from Mike:
“My goal now is sustainability: we shouldn’t ever have to sacrifice Live to ship an expansion.’’
Source with information on the 70 working on next expansion:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/48zlyd/im_mike_obrien_here_with_gw2_dev_team_ama/
An example for those that are confused about my point: I buy 2 cakes from CakeCo. by pre-purchasing when their cake shop opens. I get 1 cake immediately and was told to wait on the 2nd cake. I wait. A week later, I was told that work on my 2nd cake was put on hold indefinitely but they have enough resources to cook a 3rd cake that I can buy. I don’t want to buy the 3rd cake. I want the 2 cakes that I spent money on already.

3.
Point 3 deals exclusively with Legendary weapon promises. Below is a timeline of the legendary weapon promises and when they were broken. Take special note of the March 2015 Lindsey Murdock Blogpost.
• 2013- New Legendaries are promised. This was before expansions were ever going to be a thing in GW2. They never came.
• 2014- Nothing on the Legendary front.
• January2015- PAX South. HoT Announcement. Colin and Mike take the stage and announce that Legendaries are coming with HoT. These weren’t supposed to be behind a paywall. They were supposed to come out two years prior!
• March 2015- Linsey Murdock Blogpost- “From brainstorming to testing and bug fixing, building everything for a new legendary weapon reasonably takes about a month, not including the art for the weapon. That’s about a week per themed collection and a week for the economics, recipes and other random tasks.”
• August-September 2015- It’s announced that we are getting 3 new legendaries at launch with more to come on regular intervals.
• March 2016- Legendaries are halted indefinitely.

There are several things we are told in this timeline. Also, if Lindsey described it so clearly that making a legendary takes about a month to reach artists stage, these past 4 months, Anet should have maybe 3 or 4 new legendaries, not just the shortbow. I had heard the comment that designing the legendary journey might be holding them back, but Lindsey knew that journey-designing was part of these new legendaries. She STILL gave an estimate of a month before art + testing. Art + effects should be no problem, seeing as how we received multiple new outfits + over 130 gemstore skins. So either her article underestimated the time used for legendaries or Anet had pulled them a long time ago and is just releasing info now.
Regardless, legendary weapons were sold as part of the HoT package. People who paid for HoT already paid for these.
Here is link to Linsey Murdock Blog: https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/hot-new-legendary-weapons/

4.
Also, based on what was said to us before, some of the legendaries (or at least skins and effects) already exist. Colin’s seen some of the new legendaries (besides the 3 already released), they were there, and doubts of them not coming out were squashed. The 6-man-team was obviously doing something, are resources so thin that they had to halt indefinitely in the middle of completing their work?
Add this to the Lindsey quote of basically taking a month for a legendary, shouldn’t there be several legendaries being beta-tested at the moment? Why put it off indefinitely it really doesn’t add up. Did Colin just straight up lie?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/40n8gp/state_of_the_game_2016_post/cyvo6mx
“Colin: We’ve said it before – but i’ll reinforce we’re working on more legendary weapons: YES.”
and…
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://dulfy.net/2016/01/08/gw2-jan-8-guild-chat-livestream-notes/
Colin: “I have seen some of the new legendaries, they are amazing”
Keep in mind that the latest quote about the existence of these are in January 8th.

5.
In regards to communication issues and from people wanting to blame Colin, please read this quote.
“Colin:
While as game director I didn’t set communication policy, I am really excited to see the things happening like this AMA. It’ll be a great advantage having Mo in this role as he can both set policy, and game direct simultaneously.”
https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/48zlyd/im_mike_obrien_here_with_gw2_dev_team_ama/d0o6cyn
Between this quote, knowing that Mike was president of Arenanet and boss of Colin, and reading multiple reviews from a website with glass ceilings or something :P, I think it’s fair to say that Mike was not new to this whole situation while it was going on considering they use the word “micromanagement” quite often. Not only was he not new to this situation, he had more control than Colin about the communication situation/state of HoT/shipping content timelines … I mean, he WAS the bigger boss.

https://dviw3bl0enbyw.cloudfront.net/uploads/forum_attachment/file/84000/eACzJ4e.gif

This is what is still on the table.

I don’t know about the rest of you, but I’m staying waiting for them to deliver what I paid for. Not buying anything from half-expansion-Mike with real life money ever again tho.

1.
A choice was presented to us via this thread: live content or legendary weapons. But why not both? They sold HoT to us with the promise of both pieces of content. Deliver what you sold to us.

2.
Along that path, Anet has limited resources. Mike says he can’t spare 6 to continue working on legendary weapons (content we paid for) but around 70 are working on content that no one paid for yet.
My main point is that they should prioritize on delivering a product they sold if their resources were spread thin, instead of working on a new one that no real life money has gone into. In regards to the next expansion, here are quotes from Mike:
“My goal now is sustainability: we shouldn’t ever have to sacrifice Live to ship an expansion.’’
Source with information on the 70 working on next expansion:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/48zlyd/im_mike_obrien_here_with_gw2_dev_team_ama/
An example for those that are confused about my point: I buy 2 cakes from CakeCo. by pre-purchasing when their cake shop opens. I get 1 cake immediately and was told to wait on the 2nd cake. I wait. A week later, I was told that work on my 2nd cake was put on hold indefinitely but they have enough resources to cook a 3rd cake that I can buy. I don’t want to buy the 3rd cake. I want the 2 cakes that I spent money on already.

3.
Point 3 deals exclusively with Legendary weapon promises. Below is a timeline of the legendary weapon promises and when they were broken. Take special note of the March 2015 Lindsey Murdock Blogpost.
• 2013- New Legendaries are promised. This was before expansions were ever going to be a thing in GW2. They never came.
• 2014- Nothing on the Legendary front.
• January2015- PAX South. HoT Announcement. Colin and Mike take the stage and announce that Legendaries are coming with HoT. These weren’t supposed to be behind a paywall. They were supposed to come out two years prior!
• March 2015- Linsey Murdock Blogpost- “From brainstorming to testing and bug fixing, building everything for a new legendary weapon reasonably takes about a month, not including the art for the weapon. That’s about a week per themed collection and a week for the economics, recipes and other random tasks.”
• August-September 2015- It’s announced that we are getting 3 new legendaries at launch with more to come on regular intervals.
• March 2016- Legendaries are halted indefinitely.

There are several things we are told in this timeline. Also, if Lindsey described it so clearly that making a legendary takes about a month to reach artists stage, these past 4 months, Anet should have maybe 3 or 4 new legendaries, not just the shortbow. I had heard the comment that designing the legendary journey might be holding them back, but Lindsey knew that journey-designing was part of these new legendaries. She STILL gave an estimate of a month before art + testing. Art + effects should be no problem, seeing as how we received multiple new outfits + over 130 gemstore skins. So either her article underestimated the time used for legendaries or Anet had pulled them a long time ago and is just releasing info now.
Regardless, legendary weapons were sold as part of the HoT package. People who paid for HoT already paid for these.
Here is link to Linsey Murdock Blog: https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/hot-new-legendary-weapons/

4.
Also, based on what was said to us before, some of the legendaries (or at least skins and effects) already exist. Colin’s seen some of the new legendaries (besides the 3 already released), they were there, and doubts of them not coming out were squashed. The 6-man-team was obviously doing something, are resources so thin that they had to halt indefinitely in the middle of completing their work?
Add this to the Lindsey quote of basically taking a month for a legendary, shouldn’t there be several legendaries being beta-tested at the moment? Why put it off indefinitely it really doesn’t add up. Did Colin just straight up lie?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/40n8gp/state_of_the_game_2016_post/cyvo6mx
“Colin: We’ve said it before – but i’ll reinforce we’re working on more legendary weapons: YES.”
and…
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://dulfy.net/2016/01/08/gw2-jan-8-guild-chat-livestream-notes/
Colin: “I have seen some of the new legendaries, they are amazing”
Keep in mind that the latest quote about the existence of these are in January 8th.

5.
In regards to communication issues and from people wanting to blame Colin, please read this quote.
“Colin:
While as game director I didn’t set communication policy, I am really excited to see the things happening like this AMA. It’ll be a great advantage having Mo in this role as he can both set policy, and game direct simultaneously.”
https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/48zlyd/im_mike_obrien_here_with_gw2_dev_team_ama/d0o6cyn
Between this quote, knowing that Mike was president of Arenanet and boss of Colin, and reading multiple reviews from a website with glass ceilings or something :P, I think it’s fair to say that Mike was not new to this whole situation while it was going on. Not only was he not new to this situation, he had more control than Colin about the communication situation/state of HoT/shipping content timelines … I mean, he WAS the bigger boss.

Please note that I am not trying to attack anyone personally. I am using direct quotes from Anet staff such as Colin, Mike, and Lindsay.
I am trying to bring the facts together so that we can look at what’s happening holistically.
Information and knowledge is power

All these arguments, lets bring the main argument back to how a product that was part of a package sold to people is now being canceled. For more information, check out my summary earlier on page 36.
As someone brought up earlier, Anet as a seller does not care about how I make my money to pay them. I, as a consumer, should not be digging into how they run things. I simply want what was SOLD to me.

Hi! Let me start by saying that this entire outrage is not all about the cutting of legendaries, it’s about delivering a product that people spent real life money already bought.
Information and knowledge is power, and this post is my effort to try and give people as much backed-up information as possible.

1.
A choice was presented to us via this thread: live content or legendary weapons. But why not both? They sold HoT to us with the promise of both pieces of content. Deliver what you sold to us.

2.
Along that path, Anet has limited resources. Mike says he can’t spare 6 to continue working on legendary weapons (content we paid for) but around 70 are working on content that no one paid for yet.
My main point is that they should prioritize on delivering a product they sold if their resources were spread thin, instead of working on a new one that no real life money has gone into. In regards to the next expansion, here are quotes from Mike:
“My goal now is sustainability: we shouldn’t ever have to sacrifice Live to ship an expansion.’’
Source with information on the 70 working on next expansion:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/48zlyd/im_mike_obrien_here_with_gw2_dev_team_ama/
An example for those that are confused about my point: I buy 2 cakes from CakeCo. by pre-purchasing when their cake shop opens. I get 1 cake immediately and was told to wait on the 2nd cake. I wait. A week later, I was told that work on my 2nd cake was put on hold indefinitely but they have enough resources to cook a 3rd cake that I can buy. I don’t want to buy the 3rd cake. I want the 2 cakes that I spent money on already.

3.
Point 3 deals exclusively with Legendary weapon promises. Below is a timeline of the legendary weapon promises and when they were broken. Take special note of the March 2015 Lindsey Murdock Blogpost.
• 2013- New Legendaries are promised. This was before expansions were ever going to be a thing in GW2. They never came.
• 2014- Nothing on the Legendary front.
• January2015- PAX South. HoT Announcement. Colin and Mike take the stage and announce that Legendaries are coming with HoT. These weren’t supposed to be behind a paywall. They were supposed to come out two years prior!
• March 2015- Linsey Murdock Blogpost- “From brainstorming to testing and bug fixing, building everything for a new legendary weapon reasonably takes about a month, not including the art for the weapon. That’s about a week per themed collection and a week for the economics, recipes and other random tasks.”
• August-September 2015- It’s announced that we are getting 3 new legendaries at launch with more to come on regular intervals.
• March 2016- Legendaries are halted indefinitely.

There are several things we are told in this timeline. Also, if Lindsey described it so clearly that making a legendary takes about a month to reach artists stage, these past 4 months, Anet should have maybe 3 or 4 new legendaries, not just the shortbow. I had heard the comment that designing the legendary journey might be holding them back, but Lindsey knew that journey-designing was part of these new legendaries. She STILL gave an estimate of a month before art + testing. Art + effects should be no problem, seeing as how we received multiple new outfits + over 130 gemstore skins. So either her article underestimated the time used for legendaries or Anet had pulled them a long time ago and is just releasing info now.
Regardless, legendary weapons were sold as part of the HoT package. People who paid for HoT already paid for these.
Here is link to Linsey Murdock Blog: https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/hot-new-legendary-weapons/

4.
Also, based on what was said to us before, some of the legendaries (or at least skins and effects) already exist. Colin’s seen some of the new legendaries (besides the 3 already released), they were there, and doubts of them not coming out were squashed. The 6-man-team was obviously doing something, are resources so thin that they had to halt indefinitely in the middle of completing their work?
Add this to the Lindsey quote of basically taking a month for a legendary, shouldn’t there be several legendaries being beta-tested at the moment? Why put it off indefinitely it really doesn’t add up. Did Colin just straight up lie?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/40n8gp/state_of_the_game_2016_post/cyvo6mx
“Colin: We’ve said it before – but i’ll reinforce we’re working on more legendary weapons: YES.”
and…
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://dulfy.net/2016/01/08/gw2-jan-8-guild-chat-livestream-notes/
Colin: “I have seen some of the new legendaries, they are amazing”
Keep in mind that the latest quote about the existence of these are in January 8th.

5.
In regards to communication issues and from people wanting to blame Colin, please read this quote.
“Colin:
While as game director I didn’t set communication policy, I am really excited to see the things happening like this AMA. It’ll be a great advantage having Mo in this role as he can both set policy, and game direct simultaneously.”
https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/48zlyd/im_mike_obrien_here_with_gw2_dev_team_ama/d0o6cyn
Between this quote, knowing that Mike was president of Arenanet and boss of Colin, and reading multiple reviews from a website with glass ceilings or something :P, I think it’s fair to say that Mike was not new to this whole situation while it was going on. Not only was he not new to this situation, he had more control than Colin about the communication situation/state of HoT/shipping content timelines … I mean, he WAS the bigger boss.

Please note that I am not trying to attack anyone personally. I am using direct quotes from Anet staff such as Colin, Mike, and Lindsay.
I am trying to bring the facts together so that we can look at what’s happening holistically.
Information and knowledge is power, and this post is my effort to try and give people as much quoted iformation as possible.
I spent quite some time re-reading the official GW2 forums and reddit to gather these bits of information. Thank you all for reading!

MashMash.1645:

Two things:

1) Can we can have an assurance that the remaining Legendaries will not be locked behind Expansion #2.

2) Other gametypes such as raids (less players do these than do Legendary weapons) and gemstore resources (we have enough stuff in the shop!) should be scaled back / suspended until all of HoT’s promised and advertised content can be implemented, and LS3 can be done properly.

Agreed. If they say new legendaries are coming out with Expansion #2, they’re making us pay for it twice.

MashMash.1645:

HelenaeSara.1562:

You owe us a refund. That is how I feel. I love this game, but I spent my money for the advertised expansion that per you comments will never happen.

I just hope that when the remaining Legendaries drop at some far off time, they aren’t packaged into the next expansion. That would mean paying again for them, when they were promised as part of HoT, and we have already paid for them.

^ Exactly. Partial refund is necessary because they did NOT and is not PLANNING ON delivering what they sold us.

antonbalboa.7280:

4/16 legendaries in 1 expansion. 3 more expansions to go.
Seriously, I paid for an unfinished product and you said you would finish it, instead I see you releasing new gem store items every 2 weeks (gliders, outfits ….). Now you tell me that you won’t finish (at least in a reasonable amount of time) what you promised to deliver.

Yea, anet needs to know that even though not everyone wants to make their new legendaries, they need to finished the products that they advertised and took money for. THAT I really care about.

KingofRoses.1726:

I just want to add the worst of this is they’d rather cancel content promised than take 6 developers off their 70man team for the next xpac to finish what they started and promised, what a joke.

Yeap. Bad business decisions when you opt to not fulfill promises that were made when getting people to buy HoT.

Spyritdragon.6048:

I’m mostly left confused.
Im not really upset… i understand important decisions and all. But im a bit confused as to how it takes a 6 man team half a year to make one legendary. Given three of them shipped with HoT, did you have 18 people working for the half year leading up just for those three legendary weapons? And… if so, when the team was reduced to 6, why didnt we hear anything? It sounds like this was a decision one could have seen coming a long time ago, because in this timeframe i’m not sure how anyone working on it could’ve expected to have the full set out in the timeframe i assume it was clear most people expected them to be, i.e. sets of three every few months.

If you would like some clarification, I’m sure Mo has one about the 70 people working on the next expansion when they’re spread so thin (while original promises were not being kept).

Dashingsteel.3410:

You don’t build sustainability for the game by misleading your customers. If your focus is truly sustainability, you need to build a bond of trust between you and your customers. You are ditching legendary weapons because you are “spread too thin” yet you have 70 employees working on a new expansion. ARE YOU SERIOUS????

Deliver on your hype. Quit misleading your customers.

Yeap. This whole angry mob thing really isn’t about 10 more weapon skins. It’s about how BAD of a business ethic Anet has going on at the moment.

MashMash.1645:

Dashingsteel.3410:

If you are spread to thin it is time to drop the next expansion idea.

They should not be working on a new expansion when they still haven’t finished the current one.

Yeap. Except now they’ve stopped working on finishing the current one and is focusing on the new one.

infinityandbeyond.9652:

Mike O Brien.4613:

Thanks for all the comments. I know there’s nothing I’m going to say that will make you feel better, but I’ll share some final thoughts for the night.

I said three weeks ago I’d focus on sustainability and quality. I want to reiterate the part about sustainability. Be angry about legendary weapons, sure, but how about the recent drought of content? That kind of thing happens when we spread ourselves too thin, and when we let the content development pipeline empty out so we can fight fires. What I think we actually owe you is sustainable, predictable, high-quality content. I’m making a decision that’s painful in the short-term so we can position ourselves to deliver that.

Akuni.8604:

Consider this… HoT currently has: 3 new maps (which are still buggy looking at DS) which are grindy as hell, Elite Specs which are heavy powercreep (pay to win in PvP…), a Story which is short but at least good (if you ignore the myriad of bugs f.e. in the Mordi battle), Guild halls, 2 Raids with 5 1/2 bosses, a new PvP map (which is quite unbalanced) and now only 4 legy weaps (3/4 being rarely used thanks to being underpowered or buggy)… That’s it?

I previously addressed the “half an expansion” thing, and I can point you to pages like this one and this one (https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Guild_Wars_2:_Heart_of_Thorns), but that doesn’t matter because it’s just arguing. My job is to entertain you, not to argue with you.

I strongly believe that we will in fact entertain you. We’re a team of people who love the game that you love, and are working on things we’re confident you’ll love. But I’m not here to convince you of that, and I wouldn’t expect you to take my word for it. You can make that judgment in April, and each subsequent time we ship. I will work to make you happy, and I’ll do it by making you happy with what we ship, not with what we promise to ship.

Mo

Mo, I feel a meme coming on right now…. Here it is !

LOL I am super entertained by the meme XD Still want a compensation for false-promises, but am entertained ^.^

Anka.5086:

Thank you for the transparency. I would have liked to see more legendary weapons, the first 3 HoT legendary weapons looks very good. Staff animation is well designed. I was looking forward to new greatsword and sword legendary weapon, and maybe craft them if they looked any better than the old legendary versions. But unlike most people on this thread I find legendary weapons waste of resources. Legendary armor on the other hand is something I’m definitely looking forward to craft. I’m relieved to find out that you’re still committed to delivering it.

But just to make it clear, even though I’m not a big fan of legendary weapons this is still disappointing. And yes, most GW2 players are in the same group as me not bothered by legendary weapons. Nevertheless, this announcement left very bad impression on us about your trust worthiness. As a company you advertised legendary weapons being big part of HoT. And you promised you will deliver all land based legendary weapons. When you fail to deliver on your promise people will start questioning your trustworthiness. Remember, this is coming from a person who always had the in-game gold and resources to craft number of legendary weapons but considered them waste of resources and not very useful.

Thank you for posting this because the issue here really is about how they run their business.

Oh, and, once again, you have great devs working there, it’s just too bad they can’t just design what THEY want or what the PLAYERS want, they have to listen to management. Don’t drag devs into the bad decisions management is making.

Akuni.8604:

Wolfey.3407:

Akuni.8604:

Wolfey.3407:

Nike.2631:

Wolfey.3407:

I must be one of the very few people who actually bothered to sit back and think before typing….

I’m sorry, were you about to launch into some apologist drivel? Because I stopped reading after you thought you’d open with insulting EVERYONE.

Someone of your caliber shouldn’t be talking nike. Unless you want your amusing past brought up

Akuni.8604:

Wolfey.3407:

I must be one of the very few people who actually bothered to sit back and think before typing….

I actually agree with Mike on this one… It’s better to focus on more important issues than more cosmetic options. Every weapon we can use in the game has a Legendary option. Currently, Legendary weapons offer nothing unique except for effects and hot swap stats. There is not even any real lore tied to any of them…. E.g. Who wielded Dreamer for the first time? what amazing feat did he or she do with it?….. All we know is that it’s a play on “The Lover and the Dreamer”.

I’d rather the Dev team focus on things such as :
-Buggy / Broken Quests and Story Missions
-Fixing known Fractal Issues
-Fixing and Releasing the Legendary Fractal Back pack
-Fixing WvW and making it playable
-Making PvP tolerable, the current Matchmaking system is garbage
-Improving rewards for PvP & WvW
-Working on Living Story 3
-Working on a ton of class bugs, such as the druid celestial avatar icon eating half the hp bar cosmetically.

There’s a ton in the Core game as well as HoT that needs to be addressed.

You can’t have everything, something has to be sacrificed … please do notice how he said suspended and not cancelled.

If anything, I’m more annoyed that WvW is still neglected heavily and PvP is still a broken mess.

Collin is gone, let Mike clean up any messes and lets see where things go.

The thing is you’re not getting those things. Because 70 Devs are worling on Xpac2 already without finishing Xpac1. Maybe you should have thought about that before typing…

Those people who are upset have a right to be so. They were promised content which is now put on hold not for LS3 but ultimately because Anet started with Xpac2 already which no one wanted/needed after HoT.

There’s nothing you can say against that. Not without making a total joke out of yourself.

I failed to see anywhere in Mikes post that he published today that stated all the resources are being pulled from every aspect of the game for Expansion 2.

“As game director I have to make tough trade-offs. One thing I believe is that we have to focus on the core game first before taking on additional responsibilities. I wrote in the Guild Wars 2 Design Manifesto in 2010 that our vision was to create a living, dynamic world, where there’s always something to do. Let’s ensure we succeed on that front.”

Ahhh the power of reading…. Amazing isn’kitten

Keep in mind, Mike is cleaning up what ever messes were left when Collin left. Stuff Collin was working on that Collin did not deliver on with Collins Team.

See a pattern?

I cannot express how utterly airheaded you sound. Your title seems to keep the proper volume of blood from reaching your head. Stick it. You’re not getting any credit, especially for your attitude.
And with that said, get back on topic, you’re breaching ToS by slinging mud (“I used my brain before typing compared to everyone else”). A great example and role model you are.

I love how you dodged the bolded point I brought up.

It’s almost like you don’t want Mike to succeed or give Mike the benefit of the doubt. All I’m seeing is you bringing up points that Mike has not brought up. I have failed to see anything in Mikes post that states hes going to take all developers and place them in Expansion #2. As you and others are going around and stating.

“120 devs working on live game, 70 devs on expansion 2, 30 devs on core teams that support both.” – Reddit AMA notes.

70 Devs which work on an expansion not even 1 year after the first. 70 Devs which would be direly needed to fix bugs, hook up collections, implement features (Guild Anthems anyone?) or generally improve/balance HoT and the base game.

Just because you choose to ignore that fact doesn’t mean it’s not there. But oh yes, taking 6 Devs off legendaries which were part of HoT which people paid for is clearly the best option… Let’s just pretend those 70 Devs are non-existant.

…….

Breathe my boy. In. Out. That O2 needs to get into your head. That said, I don’t have anything else to say to you. Consider yourself ignored and move on. Tüdelü~

Those 70 people should halt work on the new xpac indefinitely and finish up HoT. It’s too bad that the actual devs don’t have a say and it’s all upper-management decision.

Asazi.7561:

Dashingsteel.3410:

“You can’t have everything, something has to be sacrificed”

Yes, that “something” should be the next expansion. Pull everyone off the next expansion and deliver on your promises. Fix this now or it is going to get ugly.

Exactly. You can’t just take away a major selling point of the expansion, something people paid for, and expect it to be okay. This is going to get uglier and uglier.

Anet needs to start offering refunds of their accord before all the chargebacks roll in.

If they’re sticking with this decision, then we are lied to and we did buy HoT under false promises. A partial refund should be reimbursed to HoT owners who bought HoT before today’s announcement.

Jushiohara.9140:

I am absolutely livid about this decision. I paid for content that should have been ready and delivered in one package. I’ve been patient as hell waiting for this drip feed of updates. But now you want to just up and cancel it because you dont feel like working on it? This is NOT good business. This used to be my favorite game and I’ve put a lot of time into it. But this has put a real sour taste in my mouth and I don’t think I’m going to want to spend another penny on anything from arena net or ncsoft.

It’s true. This does go beyond Anet and this crap will SPILL OVER NCsoft’s credibility. Lying to players and taking their money is not going to go over well with the internet around. The word will get spread quickly enough.

Dashingsteel.3410:

“You can’t have everything, something has to be sacrificed”

Yes, that “something” should be the next expansion. Pull everyone off the next expansion and deliver on your promises. Fix this now or it is going to get ugly.

Agreed. Thanks for quoting this. Thank you.

skullfaerie.7203:

Jesus. This sure isn’t Anet’s best day. First this disaster of a move (and the associated blow to their rep) and then they also get some person they appointed (and who thus represents them) openly trolling and insulting users on their forums. Lovely.

Yea I thought openly “calling out” people on forums was irresponsible because he can get a mob mentality going against those players. In his position, it’s a really crap move. It doesn’t have the same consequences if you or I had done it.

Also not pleased about them working on a new xpac after they basically just announced they’re halting work on what they promised for HoT. Cmon guys, we BOUGHT this already. Reallocate your human resources to finish what you promised and what people bought. PLEASE. Work on what we already spent money on.

Asazi.7561:

MashMash.1645:

So, when will I be getting a partial refund? Or some sort of compensation?

That was one of the things I PAID MONEY FOR as part of the expansion.

If they don’t start offering partial refunds they’re going to have a lot of chargebacks to deal with from angry customers that are sick of being lied to.

If you or someone else that was looking into the legalities can post follow-ups it would be greatly appreciated. If they abandon what was promised, they’re straight-up lying and expecting to get away with it.

Sartharina.3542:

Pull/delay next expansion, not legendaries. Legendaries were promised this expansion.

^Yes, thank you. Agree.

ZudetGambeous.9573:

Maybe instead of having 70 devs working on the next expansion you should shift 30 or 40 of those devs to completing your current expansion…

^Completely agree.

Dahmerkitten.1385:

You don’t put up a $60.00 dollar paywall- advertising content, then months later be like “na, where just not gonna do it” Really? What kind of company are you running over there?

This should really be brought into focus. They need to HALT WORK on the next xpac and finish this one.
Also, in response to what Mike O posted to the completion of HoT. Mike, do you understand that when you promise something and get money for it by selling it, you actually have to DELIVER EVERYTHING? Yes, HoT had a lot of content, but it’s not ALL that you promised. Move the team working on the new xpac to finishing HoT and DELIVER YOUR PROMISES.

Gemnaid.4219:

We paid for the 2nd set of legendary. How about you bring the resources back to finish these before you keep going with another expansion?

Yeap.

TheProfessor.7012:

I’ve been a long time fan of Guild Wars in general. I’ve been playing Guild Wars 2 for three years now and not delivering upon the promised content that was supposed to be released in intervals with Heart of Thorns is undeniably very much full of bullkitten and irresponsibility. Players PAID for new legendary weapons as a selling point of Heart of Thorns and not delivering upon such is false advertisement as well just another lie that we’ve all been spoon fed by your company for a long time now involving this kitten expansion that the company took pre-orders for. Do the smart thing and take people off of the expansion 2 team to fix this one and deliver the content you promised us!

Yeap. Basically this. STOP WORKING ON THE UPCOMING EXPANSION THEN AND FINISH THIS ONE.

Xehanort.7034:

eNeRgOo.5463:

Minx.7521:

eNeRgOo.5463:

THIS GAME IS NOT ABOUT LEGENDARIES kitten .
Wake up. Content is more important than shooting mobs with flowers, kittenes or other weird things. You have lots of legendaries, other ones can wait. Living Story vol 3 Please! :*
Malyck! :* Rata Novus :*

It’s more about what we were promised. We were promised new legendaries and basically now it’s not going to happen. This is a TRUST issue and a LYING issue and a BUSINESS ETHICS issue.

You got three legendaries. Promise is done. More will be coming sooner or later.
Moaning and impatience of people like that made kill Trahearne or other characters that were important to some players.

actually, the promise was 16 legendaries, not three.

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/hot-new-legendary-weapons/

“Guild Wars 2: Heart of Thorns heralds the beginning of the first new set of legendary weapons to be added to the game since its original set of twenty included in the launch of Guild Wars 2. The first three we’ll release are a celestially themed axe called Astralaria, an experimental energy themed pistol called H.O.P.E., and a raven spirit themed staff called Nevermore. It takes a lot of work to craft these legendary journeys for release, so rather than take the time to develop the full set before releasing any of them, we will be releasing new legendary weapons in small groups at regular intervals until the full set of sixteen has been added to the game. Collections for the existing legendary weapons will be available on launch day, while the first three new legendaries will become available shortly after launch, alongside raids.”

Thank you for finding this. Remember that debacle where Anet tried to deny something they said by erasing it? Thanks for finding this. Screenshotted in case they just delete that page and tried to say HoT was completed and we got what we were promised/payed for.

It’s just bad business to promise something and not give it. That’s pretty much lying.

Hardik.9241:

Mike O Brien.4613:

“We’ve been working hard on new legendary weapons, the first handful of which will be introduced in Heart of Thorns, with more to come in subsequent updates.”
While I fully get that you’re disappointed today, this is not about us shipping half an expansion pack.
Mo

Inb4: “We never promised you’ll get all of the new legendaries with HoT itself.”
Inb4:“We’ll launch the remaining legendaries with next expansion, which would only cost 75$ for the basic pack.”
Inb4:“No legendary armour to be introduced year 2016, but instead we’ll add more collections for the precursor to it.”
And
“We’ve been working hard on new legendary weapons” <—Lmao if you put in half the effort you put in designing and launching 3 or more different sets of black lions skins since HoT we could’ve had a few more legendaries in already but hey gotta lie to my homies and milk that money yo!

Please go and screenshot their promises of a new set of legendaries for HoT release. 90% chance Anet will try to remove those comments and pretend they never happened/were never promised.

Guys, remember that one time Anet just flat-out removed one of their answers on the webpage?

Lets all go and screenshot the instances where Anet PROMISED the new legendaries as part of HoT. You know, before they just delete it and pretend it never happened.

Virtutis.8614:

Spira.4578:

https://www.ftc.gov/tips-advice/business-center/guidance/advertising-marketing-internet-rules-road

I feel like you guys forgot to read this.

We’re definitely owed some form of compensation if we purchased HoT. This is absolutely treading in the realm of misleading consumers.

Quoting this so others can see and read the link. Thanks for finding this.

ozma.3498:

As this is another thing ArenaNet promised with HoT and has failed to deliver (the list is growing), I think I’ll look into the legalities of getting a full refund for HoT and post my findings on this forum and Reddit. I know the the Consumer Rights Act was recently expanded to include online/digital goods, including games, and frankly I feel ripped off with my HoT purchase. As far as I’m aware, ArenaNet has a legal responsibility to provide the goods that were advertised (with regards to new legendaries, see the forum post “Hot New Legendary Weapons” where it says a full set of 16 will be released in HoT) and failing to do that should entitle people to their money back.

Hello. Yes, please let us know. $100 is not a small amount of money. Please do post to here and reddit.

By the way, I don’t really care about the legendaries, I care A LOT that I was lied to.

Akuni.8604:

Okay like what? Really? Are you freaking kidding me?

It’s been over half a year already since HoT shipped and many features are yet to be implemented, balanced or bugfixed. Reconsider striking the new legendaries. Get to work on all those promised features people paid a lot of money for. This is basically rip-off.

Yeap. Again, this is a BUSINESS ETHICS issue. A ripping-off of the people, if you will.

eNeRgOo.5463:

THIS GAME IS NOT ABOUT LEGENDARIES kitten .
Wake up. Content is more important than shooting mobs with flowers, kittenes or other weird things. You have lots of legendaries, other ones can wait. Living Story vol 3 Please! :*
Malyck! :* Rata Novus :*

It’s more about what we were promised. We were promised new legendaries and basically now it’s not going to happen. This is a TRUST issue and a LYING issue and a BUSINESS ETHICS issue.

Nike.2631:

Well, I think we’ll all remember this conversation the NEXT time ArenaNet tries to pre-sell an expansion.

New rule: no ANet market-speak bullet point to ever be taken seriously until it’s actually delivered, because the ‘priorities’ excuse is “always on the table”.

Yeap. Keep this in mind, kids, for when the next expansion comes out. If they make promises to finish this new legendary set, just remember what they did this time.

But I thought we paid for HoT for all 16 weapons, which would come out every 3 months.

Horizontal character progression is still progression. For example: someone else can glide and your character cannot. That person’s character is more progressed in the game than yours.

Another person can use adrenal mushrooms to help them in fights (which, in my mind, is better than +5 more stats to armor) but yours cannot. That person’s character progressed farther than yours.

A person can unlock lvl 100 fractals, you cannot, that person has progressed farther than you.
^All examples of character progression without it having specifically to do with armor stats.

Nah you’re good, if the expansion comes out next year you have 9 months to catch up on whatever you wish to do :P Plenty of time

Like someone up top said, all depends on if you enjoy it! If you like it, keep going! I park about 10 characters at flax farm but I just do 1, I don’t hit both patches :P Takes less than 10 minutes to do for me.

Do DS. I did DS on 9 characters.

You can tell right off the bat VB was worked on a lot and had a great balance to it. The personal story in VB was also more intricate and nicely paced.

In AB, the map’s simpler. Personal story is still great.

In TD, 2 huge story instances and the map mechanisms is similar to AB, just layed out differently.

In DS, 1 huge story instance. Easy map to understand/get (also my favorite of the 4 because of its simplicity).

So yes, you can see that the devs were putting less and less effort into making HoT maps because of time constraints. It would be great if they can slow down on the next expansion, but we’ll see.