Questions about Pricing and Payment [merged]
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Posted by: Osculim.2983
in Guild Wars 2: Heart of Thorns
Posted by: Osculim.2983
To the dude that says gold – gems is not profit it is. The cash have already been generated its like having a investor give you money upfront to do something later. So if Anet use that money for something else its not anyones concern but Anet’s. I for one would like to see it in the gemstore. Unlike most folks im one of those poor gamers money is extremely tight. I do however agee that it would cause major gem price issues. So maby wait a month or 2 after release.
Assuming I am the dude…
Please explain how a player using Tyiran gold to purchase gems generates income. That is lost revenue that can only be recouped by players purchasing gems to exchange for gold. The gem exchange as a whole is only profitable if the number of gems bought with real money to convert into gold exceeds the number of gems purchased with gold that would have been purchased with real money instead (not everyone who used gold to buy gems would have used real money instead). Theoretically, the gem exchange as a whole could cost Arenanet revenue.
Investors expect to be repaid, the gem exchange is nothing like an investor.
I am not trying to tell Arenanet or other players how to behave, just trying to describe the realities involved.
Let me explain. Gems dont fall out the sky it have to come from somewhere so this is how it works. People buy gems with real life money meaning anet makes money that is how ammount of gems in the store is generated which other people buy with gold. The point is something was bought with real money now if you use the gems you buy with real money yourself or someone else uses it. The gems have been paid for meaning profit.
So what would happen if no one ever buys gems with real money the gem prices (with gold) will shoot through the roof.
Hope this explains it.
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Posted by: Osculim.2983
To the dude that says gold – gems is not profit it is. The cash have already been generated its like having a investor give you money upfront to do something later. So if Anet use that money for something else its not anyones concern but Anet’s. I for one would like to see it in the gemstore. Unlike most folks im one of those poor gamers money is extremely tight. I do however agee that it would cause major gem price issues. So maby wait a month or 2 after release.
You can still get dyes by doing story quests. Those loot bags at the end of each story quest have a pretty high chance of dropping dyes. I had quiet a few dyes from those including my abyss and celestial dye
my oh my im so tired of these guys comming from games like wow and whine that things are not like it is in that game. This is not wow this is gw2 the way content is released is fine.
When i started playing the game during pre betas i knew exactly what i was getting into and i was happy with that. If you really wanted to play a game that pop out one expansion after the other then you shoulda sticked to wow.
And to those folks that say you get level cap changes, new races, classes etc with expansions I say those can just as easily be provided in feature packs as it is now. Example the traits new traits were already added.
People should realise another thing aswell not everyone is as rich as you folks being able to buy expansion after expansion. For us poor folk this system works great as is and im able to get the content even if i miss the ls part for ingame currency.
Hehe Suckers ! You do realise all those shiny weapons have been dismantled by the skrit and are spread around skritsburg never to be seen again.
Hey what is up with all this racism againts golems. Heck he doesn’t talk that much to interfere come on now. I demand if you silence him silence all those warrior for great justice shouts etc aswell. Your shouts are way more annoying
Wait a sec where in game do you get these ads ? If its when opening the trading post then it might be possible. After one of the build updates not too long ago a ton of people got the microsoft webpage when opening the tp and there was a quick fix which you could do to rectify the problem. If its in the tp then we can help you
Because adding a “custom option” which had existed shouldn’t take more than 1 hour to hotfix (instead of 2 days for now).
yes it might have existed on its own reverting with a a hotfix might be quick but integrating it and keeping the new system aswell might not be just a hotfix
Why are people still going on about this ? If you looked around a bit Anet already said they will be changing it with a custom option soon just hang in there.
oki seems almost finished around 640 or so thanx for awnsering
Come on do you really wanna customise that ? It looks great as is and no customization needed and you dont need charges every time. Win win if you ask me
The GW2community does alot of the big events and if you happen to be on the map in which one of the events take place your more than welcome to join. The call for people to be on TS during events such as wurm is needed solely to organise the events as it can fail if people dont do them right. We will never chase anyone out of a map either if anyone tells you to leave just report them.
Quick question how big was the patch roughly ? Im at almost 500Meg and its still downloading.
So glad i reach my 10k ap chest a day before the patch and ive saved up enough gold this is one awsome looking costume my necro gonna be proud wearing that
Just add a 1, 25, 50, 100, 200 option and it will be all fine. I for one buy charges to change my look every now and then and im not gonna buy 400 gems when i only need 150
When are people gonna understand that no means no. It was said right from the start that programs like recount will not be allowed in gw2.
The bottom line is this you were told and you have a choice you can play the game with gw2 rules or you can go and play wow with your recount addon.
The game is not going to change into wow you can just forget about it.
As for the dude that want to play with dps minded people nothing is stopping you there are tons of zerk only groups doing dungeons join em.
Just my humble oppinion on the whole stealth issue : Im sorry but if say any other class hit a thief with one skill the damage is done and if you stealth then its already too late now the same apply to rapid fire its one skill so if you decide to go into stealth when the skill was already in progress same rule apply its too late. Now if you play properly and your timing is right then you will go into stealth before the skill is used and so avoid damage in both scenarios
Well James I have to agree with you 100%. Had the same discussion in my guild today. And ofcourse the rest of the people playing other classes were complaining bout getting killed by rangers at Range hehe. And ye we are not park rangers. Rangers – is and was always a ranged class in fantasy games heck go back 30 years to the the game that started it all D&D.
I too leveled a caracter after the patch from 1-80. And i cannot agree on some points of the op. First there was plenty of armor as rewards and altho some was not salvagable some where. As for stats ye some where the wrong stats but some you could choose the stats you want. As for making gold yes i made more money leveling up this time than before the patch. All those crafting bags you got as rewards had enough stuff in to make you a reasonable amount of gold.
(Additional note: the simplification of some heart quests was… humorously poor. Were people really having so much trouble with “see cow, grab bundle, feed cow?”)
besides the fact that I agree with you on this…
I am SO gonna steal this from you as my new Signature..“see cow, grab bundle, feed cow?” LOL PRICELESS!!
tnx for the effort on the new levelling stuff
You do know why the cow bundle was removed right ? If you don’t then let me tell you. The lazy key farmers used the bundles speedbuff to run to the story quest at the bandit cave and thats why not because it was to hard to do the quest
1. invulnerable mobs when they should not be i had a whole bunch of centaurs attack me they can hit me but I keep getting the invulnerable message trying to attack them
2. The old cannot hit inanimate objects bug is back happens in different places fracs, openworld pve etc. example tried to do the mortar event in frostgorge my ranger just could not hit em keep getting the obscured message even tho im right next to em
3. Some ranger pets not attacking inanimate objects either like the above mentioned mortars
The problem i see with most people who complain about the new systems is 99% of em havent leveled to 80 in the new system. As a vet myself played since beta and my new ranger just reached lvl80 yesterday and even tho the minor inconveniences might put off people the end result was great the rewards just awsome. I had racial skins, dyes, ectos, exotic weapons and armor, master crafting bags full of t6 mats.
As for story quests those mob bags you get in the end have better loot in em aswell than the usual bags dropping from mobs in the last 3 or so levels of the story I played i got about 10 different lodestones out of em.
My advice to people is just play at around 40ish you gonna start asking yourself why did I complain bout this in the first place
I dont see the big fuss really ive been playing since beta and ye ive created 3 new alts after the patch and to be honest you fly by most of those level gates in no time.
And people complaining bout the rewards have you actually seen the leveling rewards they are awsome later on.
Just a small list : Crafting bags, rare armor and weapons, Racial amor skins, champ bags, dyes, order weapon skins heck they even finally added some new underwater masks for leveling.
Believe me folks the bit of level gating you go through is no big deal nor game breaking imo.
Just started a new ranger just after the patch and it seems all juvinile pets have been removed from starter zones or rather 99% of em. If you look at wayfarer foothills for instance the only one still there is the raven where is the snow leapard and the wolf.
Can anyone maby point me to updated locations by any chance ?
I agree 100% with the op i started 3 new alts and i really enjoy the new leveling system and the rewards for leveling are awsome imo. Crafting mat bags, racial armor skins, uni dyes, heck some of the story skins even give order weapon boxes so you can choose skins saving you having to go buy it. Im only lvl30 ish on the 3 now and to be honest I barely noticed the lockouts.
Oki it seems to me then from what i read its not so much the achievements thats the issue but the influx of pve players causing large q’s.
As a person thats not into wvw why would i go wait in a q when i can just farm all the stuff i need in the edge.
I doubt most of the people in line are pver’s.
As for the previous tourney ye I did that aswell was such a grind but that was also done in edge well 90% of it.
Now if its achivements the wvwr’s want I think they should just add a bunch for next time but just keep the amount you need for completion the same as this one I think that would get the pver’s out quick and make the wvwr’s happy
I for one are very happy the way it is now. Its exactly the way they say it was going to be no worrying about checking every 5 min to see what achivement you need to do. Now i know you hardcore wvw players would disagree with me which is fine but if you enjoy wvw and do it for fun why worry about the achievments at all. Just ignore em and have fun.
Yep i agree completely. People keep saying its rng but im starting to doubt that this rng system is working properly. Example one of my guildies got the exact same mf as me and he constantly get rares exotics heck every so often he gets a a precursor aswell.
He had at least 4 – 5 drop. Another guildie had 6 drop in a short amount of time. Ive been playing since betas and rarely get any drops not even rares.
Anet should stop saying its rng and take a good look at the system as more and more accounts are having this issue something must be wrong somewhere.
thanx ill give it a bash
Just want to know if i can use a fire and torment sigil on 2 onehanded weapons ? or wont they work together.
Skritt !!!! More come yes ?
Yep as a non wvw player trying this for the first time this situation is not making me wanna do more wvw to be honest. If what delois is saying is true then ye this is it for me and wvw. Ill be positive if you throw in a extra 50 tickets for the wait ^^
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The whole system is flawed to be honest.
I think we deserve another 300 tickets for getting our chests late
I didnt get my chest either. For once I tried to do some wvw never been into it complete the meta and just get screwed at the end. Woopy will teach me never to bother with it again
Oh my are doing this dance again ? It was said right from the launch of game that these type of thing will not be in gw2 as it wants people to play together not exclude folks.
If you wanted a game that have these idiotic mechanics then you have a choice of thousands of other crappy games to go play. As for these uber zerker groups ive seen tons and tons of em fail horribly in dungeons while lower level people of mixed classes to just fine.
To be honest It is a fair mechanic that was working fine before the patch all that should happen is that the poison darts are blocked and the worm should get a bit of damage. However it is bugged atm causing the worm to insta death. So instead of removing the mechanic just fix the insta death part and in the meantime mesmers should just hold off on feedback till its fixed
I submitted my ticket yesterday and already got refunded. You do need to submit a ticket if you want a refund, if you don’t you won’t get anything.
Then why do i have to wait so long i havent heard anything back. And i submitted my ticked on wednesday
I did receive 2 emails from support saying that its been submitted and at the right place. I dont mind waiting a bit but when tickets get handled before yours and you submited earlier then you start to worry a bit.
I understand completely. I should mention that each case can be slightly different. Sometimes a ticket comes in through a different channel — like a different “reason code” — and that can delay the response. There is a delay in response, and I just checked and your ticket is in the proper queue, so we just need to ask for a bit more patience and we’ll get to it ASAP.
Oh no its ok no rush I was just a bit worried but thanx for the update now I can relax at least
Making the game alt-friendly was the best thing they have done since launch. Now if they will just make it friendly to roleplayers again I will be happy.
Its all fun and games till you realise that altoholics like us have been screwed over severely by this new wardrobe. I was very excited about the wardrobe till i realised that each time you upgrade your armor on your alt you have to pay more charges to keep your look but not only that you also pay triple the amount that you used to in the old system. Im sorry but my excitement was turned into total dissapointment. I dont even feel like playing any alts atm. This is greed plain and simple.
No, you build an armor with that look and store it, then you can use it forever. If you stick to fine-quality gear, it will even be account-bound.
The costs are mostly for end-game gear where you really need Exotic stats.
That said the change does hurt levellers quite a bit since transmutation stones were common, however low level players can now use level 80 gear looks with just the rewards that they get from map completion as a compensation.
They can even use the big bad expensive stuff from their high level characters; Living Story reward items, BLC weapons, even legendaries.
I’m not saying its enough, but it is there. Plus the cost is now 25/600 not 25/800.
No you misunderstanding my point. let me explain lvl80 is fine you pick your look and save it no problems there. But at lower level 1-79 as you level you constantly upgrade your armor (not the look)to correspond to your caracter level and this happen very often. Now the thing is say you got a lvl1 caracter you choose your look in the wardrobe pay your charges and lock the look in.
Now you start playing get to say lvl5 now your armor is not good enough anymore and this is where the problem comes in you now upgrade the physical armor but just wanna keep the look you locked in but now you have to fork out more charges which is fine but here is my delema in the old days you used 1 stone a piece now its 1 charge which = 3 stones That means you pay 3x as much now and the rate of gathering these charges havent changed so you cannot keep your look anymore. I dont care bout the actual armor that gets salvaged.
Imo what should happen is you pick your look pay your charges and keep the look even if you upgrade your armor as you level. When you decide your tired of your look then sure pay more charges to change it again not each time you upgrade
I understood your point, but you didn’t understand mine. I have 8 lv80s in this game, and I used Transmutation Stones while levelling them all.
But you’re failing to see the positives here; for example the fact that you’re now getting the equivalent of a Transmutation Crystal (an expensive gem store item) every single time you complete map, or that you can use any look that you have ever discovered in the game including items that cost 100-3000 gold to create.
On top of this, they already lowered the price of the Transmutation Charges.
I’m all for making transmutation cheaper for people who are not level 80 yet. But all these flame threads just keep making it look like ANet didn’t provide anything good in this change while there definitely are many positives. Especially when they have sacrificed some of their income to give better map completion rewards and to sell the associated gem store items from a cheaper price than before.
What you suggest would cause a huge loss of income for them and is unrealistic, because people would always just keep upgrading instead of transmuting and their only income would be from end-game players who decide on final looks. Like it or not, the large majority of income in MMOs is from levelling players, because most players leave the game after reaching max level due to market saturation.
Well dont get me wrong the wardrobe itself is a improvement but the costs to use it is and i dont see how they loose money. They didnt give up any profit on map completion they still giving exactly the same ratio as before. The thing is they might have dropped the price in the store but you can do so much less with the charges than you could have with the stones back in the day heck transmuting 1 set for 5 stones vs 15 thats tripple only level 80s gain anything here new people and altoholics are being punished no matter how you look at it. But ye i guess my altoholic days are over.
Making the game alt-friendly was the best thing they have done since launch. Now if they will just make it friendly to roleplayers again I will be happy.
Its all fun and games till you realise that altoholics like us have been screwed over severely by this new wardrobe. I was very excited about the wardrobe till i realised that each time you upgrade your armor on your alt you have to pay more charges to keep your look but not only that you also pay triple the amount that you used to in the old system. Im sorry but my excitement was turned into total dissapointment. I dont even feel like playing any alts atm. This is greed plain and simple.
No, you build an armor with that look and store it, then you can use it forever. If you stick to fine-quality gear, it will even be account-bound.
The costs are mostly for end-game gear where you really need Exotic stats.
That said the change does hurt levellers quite a bit since transmutation stones were common, however low level players can now use level 80 gear looks with just the rewards that they get from map completion as a compensation.
They can even use the big bad expensive stuff from their high level characters; Living Story reward items, BLC weapons, even legendaries.
I’m not saying its enough, but it is there. Plus the cost is now 25/600 not 25/800.
No you misunderstanding my point. let me explain lvl80 is fine you pick your look and save it no problems there. But at lower level 1-79 as you level you constantly upgrade your armor (not the look)to correspond to your caracter level and this happen very often. Now the thing is say you got a lvl1 caracter you choose your look in the wardrobe pay your charges and lock the look in.
Now you start playing get to say lvl5 now your armor is not good enough anymore and this is where the problem comes in you now upgrade the physical armor but just wanna keep the look you locked in but now you have to fork out more charges which is fine but here is my delema in the old days you used 1 stone a piece now its 1 charge which = 3 stones That means you pay 3x as much now and the rate of gathering these charges havent changed so you cannot keep your look anymore. I dont care bout the actual armor that gets salvaged.
Imo what should happen is you pick your look pay your charges and keep the look even if you upgrade your armor as you level. When you decide your tired of your look then sure pay more charges to change it again not each time you upgrade
I submitted my ticket yesterday and already got refunded. You do need to submit a ticket if you want a refund, if you don’t you won’t get anything.
Then why do i have to wait so long i havent heard anything back. And i submitted my ticked on wednesday
Did you submit it to the correct support area? If you don’t then it can take much longer to process as it needs to get sorted to the correct team.
I did receive 2 emails from support saying that its been submitted and at the right place. I dont mind waiting a bit but when tickets get handled before yours and you submited earlier then you start to worry a bit.
So in a way, it’s backwards compatible?
I was always curious if you could link a GW2 account to a new GW1 account and have it count for hom.
This is exactly how it worked. When you created your GW2 account way back it was linked to your GW1 account and you got rewards for stuff you did in GW1
I submitted my ticket yesterday and already got refunded. You do need to submit a ticket if you want a refund, if you don’t you won’t get anything.
Then why do i have to wait so long i havent heard anything back. And i submitted my ticked on wednesday
Its all fun and games till you realise that altoholics like us have been screwed over severely by this new wardrobe. I was very excited about the wardrobe till i realised that each time you upgrade your armor on your alt you have to pay more charges to keep your look but not only that you also pay triple the amount that you used to in the old system. Im sorry but my excitement was turned into total dissapointment. I dont even feel like playing any alts atm. This is greed plain and simple.
Seems to me Anet is starting to turn into one of those other greedy companies out there.
Heck ye Im fuming here where I sit. This is the great wardrobe upgrade really ? As a altoholic I expected to pay for the look i want with charges and then keep the look locked in the wardrobe.Now i find out you have to pay again if you upgrade your armor. Not just that but you triple the price on charges.
No thanks this is a big slap in my face. I wont be using this stupid wardrobe at all heck I wont even bother creating more caracters. thanx for spoiling everything for me.
Really dissapointed in Anet and i was so exited about this wardrobe aswell.
Rant done.
How exactly did they triple the price for charges?
For characters under level 80, if you want to transmute, you have to use a charge now, which is three transmutation stones when you convert them. You used to be able to use a single transmutation stone prior to level 80.
It definitely affects a percentage of the playerbase, and I think Anet should look into it.
Eh, fair enough I guess. It could be something they overlooked. The patch has been up for half a day, maybe they’ll change something in the near future. Also the charges seem to be easier to obtain than the Stones were. I played for 2 hours & I already managed to get 2 charges from randomly playing ( don’t know if I got really lucky or not).
On top of that, correct me if I’m wrong though, the price for the charges is lower than the price for the Transmutation Stones/Crystals.
Like i said if they are easily available than before sure but somehow i think you just got one from a daily and a zone so nothing new there
One of them from daily & the other after 2 pvp matches from the new reward track thingie.
how long does a pvp match take ? the rate for getting it in pvp seems faster than in pve so looks like the non pvprs are screwed aswell
Seems to me Anet is starting to turn into one of those other greedy companies out there.
Heck ye Im fuming here where I sit. This is the great wardrobe upgrade really ? As a altoholic I expected to pay for the look i want with charges and then keep the look locked in the wardrobe.Now i find out you have to pay again if you upgrade your armor. Not just that but you triple the price on charges.
No thanks this is a big slap in my face. I wont be using this stupid wardrobe at all heck I wont even bother creating more caracters. thanx for spoiling everything for me.
Really dissapointed in Anet and i was so exited about this wardrobe aswell.
Rant done.
How exactly did they triple the price for charges?
For characters under level 80, if you want to transmute, you have to use a charge now, which is three transmutation stones when you convert them. You used to be able to use a single transmutation stone prior to level 80.
It definitely affects a percentage of the playerbase, and I think Anet should look into it.
Eh, fair enough I guess. It could be something they overlooked. The patch has been up for half a day, maybe they’ll change something in the near future. Also the charges seem to be easier to obtain than the Stones were. I played for 2 hours & I already managed to get 2 charges from randomly playing ( don’t know if I got really lucky or not).
On top of that, correct me if I’m wrong though, the price for the charges is lower than the price for the Transmutation Stones/Crystals.
Like i said if they are easily available than before sure but somehow i think you just got one from a daily and a zone so nothing new there
They only tripled the charges if you’re silly enough to use transmutation on a low level character who will inevitably change its gear all the time. That was a rather silly way to burn through your transmutations before the patch, and it still is now.
Everyone else just got a lot of extra transmute charges for his level 80 characters from all the unused transmute stones.
This is the whole thing not everyone rush to the endgame. There are folks out there that like questing but would like to look good doing so. All this is doing now is discouraging me from making new caracters. For all those people at lvl80 sure the system is not bad what about the rest of us. Are they trying to get people to quit playing ? What about new players heck this might even turn away some new players.
Its a silly move. Now if the charges was a bit easier to get then sure but they made it 3 times harder.
Seems to me Anet is starting to turn into one of those other greedy companies out there.
Heck ye Im fuming here where I sit. This is the great wardrobe upgrade really ? As a altoholic I expected to pay for the look i want with charges and then keep the look locked in the wardrobe.
Now i find out you have to pay again if you upgrade your armor. Not just that but you triple the price on charges.
No thanks this is a big slap in my face. I wont be using this stupid wardrobe at all heck I wont even bother creating more caracters. thanx for spoiling everything for me.
Really dissapointed in Anet and i was so exited about this wardrobe aswell.
Rant done.
Nah it wont be to big remember they not adding much map changes except for the new pvp map. I expect no more than 1GB or so if even if its that big.
They are adding a lot – having to redo how the servers get addressed, etc is big – plus they will have to patch the servers.
you have to remember patching works different in gw2 than other games their tech allows them to do stuff in the background thats why you never have downtime for patches in gw2 and im sure they use the same tech for servers. They might already have it ready.
A while back they had a whole explanation of how it works.
Im telling you there is something wrong with the loot in this game on some accounts. Ive seen folks getting 4-5 precursor drops. heck guildie walking around with 3 legendaries already just got spark from TA today again. While people like me havent seen one drop us heck all i ever get is blues and greens with the ocassional exo. Frankly im getting a bit tired.
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