Guild Wars 2

Xenon.4537:

Snowy.9580:

Xenon.4537:

Mickey.4207:

One of my favorite lines from Manifesto..
“I swung a sword, I swung a sword again, Hey! I swung a sword AGAIN!…….We just don’t want players to grind”

Even after such a long time it still cracks me up. Now people like OP can try and clarify what devs actually meant by things they said in manifesto but one can not change the fact that it was pure exaggeration and nothing but a tool to create hype to the point where it was completely dishonest.

Ok, yes it was a tool to create hype, you’re absolutely right about that, but backhanding it by saying it’s dishonest is just silly. Point me to any advertizement that is 100% honest. I think the problem is people approaching the manifesto with the same attitude as approaching a dictionary or encyclopedia. This was just a video of some human beings trying to hype up their product that they were very excited about, not scientific documentation to be analyzed. People take the manifesto way too seriously, and take this perceived “betrayal” way too personally.

So what you are saying is: They lied, plain and simple! They made something up to “fool” us out of our cash by lying and saying the game was something it wasn’t.
Thank you, thank you so much.
Now, if these other blinded by the light players could only see this, but alas I fear they are to far gone, I blame the water, there is something in it in some countries! /honest

They didn’t lie. As someone above said, they were simply ambiguous. You’re implying they had some insidious motive to deceive people. They were just trying to hype up and promote their product, same as any other company, in any other industry, selling any other product. This doesn’t mean that businesses have a masterpiece conspiracy to pull the wool over consumer’s eyes for sick pleasure and profit. All it means is you should use a little common sense and take things with a grain of salt. Don’t read in to things that aren’t there.

Correct me if I’m wrong here, but what your saying is… that if someone, be it a company, dev, and/or player says something that turns out to be fake, or false and turns out to be untrue, then it is hype? Wow, next time the wife asks if I ate all the cake, I’m just gonna say “Well the cake was MASSIVE! It had chocolate, and cream and… You should have tried it! I licked the cream, I licked it again! HEY, I licked it again! The cake was awesome!”
Wife: Did you eat it? Me: Yes. Wife: Slaps me around the head!
You see what I did there?
Have fun!

Run Mo, run fast!

Xenon.4537:

Mickey.4207:

One of my favorite lines from Manifesto..
“I swung a sword, I swung a sword again, Hey! I swung a sword AGAIN!…….We just don’t want players to grind”

Even after such a long time it still cracks me up. Now people like OP can try and clarify what devs actually meant by things they said in manifesto but one can not change the fact that it was pure exaggeration and nothing but a tool to create hype to the point where it was completely dishonest.

Ok, yes it was a tool to create hype, you’re absolutely right about that, but backhanding it by saying it’s dishonest is just silly. Point me to any advertizement that is 100% honest. I think the problem is people approaching the manifesto with the same attitude as approaching a dictionary or encyclopedia. This was just a video of some human beings trying to hype up their product that they were very excited about, not scientific documentation to be analyzed. People take the manifesto way too seriously, and take this perceived “betrayal” way too personally.

So what you are saying is: They lied, plain and simple! They made something up to “fool” us out of our cash by lying and saying the game was something it wasn’t.
Thank you, thank you so much.
Now, if these other blinded by the light players could only see this, but alas I fear they are to far gone, I blame the water, there is something in it in some countries! /honest

Vayne.8563:

Oh, I’m well aware people are “winding me up” as we say downunder. And I don’t have a problem with it.

But when my integrity gets called into question, I defend that, because those who aren’t winding me up are still reading. This post was sort of to put the whole thing to bed.

Now, when someone says this information didn’t exist, I can show that it did.

It doesn’t bother me that some people target me, not even a little. I find it entertaining that they feel compelled to do so.

Fear not, we know it’s not you that is the lairs here, that would be Anet.

One line for the OP:
The Secret World has passed GW2 on the MMORPG rankings!

Nuff said!

TSW = Great theme/storys with 2005 graphics.
GW2 = 2013 graphics with no story or gameplay worth a salt. (Add to that that it’s paying for other games like Lineage 17 (it must be that many by now) and that lots of promises were left hanging, I especially like the shooting range in… nevermind, it’s gone, forgotten!).

No doubt the bunnies will stomp me now! (again!). Lol.

Hardly anyone speaks in this, the most anti-social MMO I’ve ever played, unless ofc it’s to spam LFG FOTM level 429!!!one!11!
They even spoke more on swtor chat and that was empty by the end. Guess that’s how single player MMO’s are going. We need some real, old school MMO imo.

Vayne.8563:

While I usually defend Anet and Guild Wars 2, and while I’ve had a precursor drop for me, I agree that precusors are too hard to get. I think there needs to be a way other than RNG to get them.

I had to screenie this, then pinch myself twice… Also, does this count as a world 1st or something? /shock

Shadowlancer.7102:

@ agauos.8794

Problem is sir, is most people’s first MMO was World of Warcraft. A lot of people compare this single MMO to any other MMO or video games which in term, is poor judgement and ignorance.

People like them are not considered “Real Gamers” and not viable for debatable opinions.

Now the only thing “Blizzard” has accomplished is being able to take a 3rd rated, out of date, MMO; and manage to milk that game with little to no effort, for alot of money.

However, because of this, we now have many generations of gamers, that scream “PvP” or “Raids”, without trying different plat forms of gaming, and thus if their requirements are not met, they will bad mouth other MMOs.

Personally, I wish “Blizzard” the company, never existed. It has ruined future out comes of gaming and because of this, we will never hear other gaming plat forms, or the fact they will never see the light of day, without copying “World of Warcraft”, or have a lot of money and sponsorships to dare try something “new”.

Arenanet, did just that with Guild Wars 2, by breaking the “Holy Trinity”, however because people are so brain-washed by “Blizzard” games, they cannot think, outside the box.

It’s really really… pitiful if you ask me.

However, its recognized by the “Real” gaming community and by history of being the first of its kind, as an MMO, to break the chain.

My sides hurt!

The only thing Blizzard is guilty of is, making MMOs popular.
Now they (MMOs) are filled with console kiddies that want RPG roles in their super Mario online arcade show.
Don’t believe me? Go check Defiance, not a RPG but it shows where the companies want the MMO to go, and that is straight to the milking stool.
In DAoC I used to grind and farm mobs for XP, now? Now the companies grind and farm us!
The world of the MMO is in a bad way (better add a “in my opinion” before my Aussie friend, Mr. V. pulls me up about it!), 1 step forward and 2 backwards – welcome to MMORPGs!

In all fairness, the “I swung a sword, I swung it again, hey! I swung it again. That’s great, we just don’t want players to grind in GW2. No one enjoys that. No one finds it fun. We wanna change the way that people view combat.” remark no longer applies.

The new version is…
“I rolled, I rolled again, hey! I rolled again. That’s great, we just don’t want players to fight like knights and warriors of old in GW2. No one enjoys realism. No one finds it fun like super mario. We wanna change the way that people view combat and make them roll about in full plate armour like they are a ballerina.”
;)

Flamenco.3894:

How much do you know about the lore regarding the jungle dragon Mordremoth?

It’s real name was Steve and it had a pet Rhino, and it also wore a Quaggan backpack at the weekends! /lore

Vayne.8563:

Hitting that boss from the stairs might be considered an exploit. I know anything that makes dungeon combat in this game is usually fixed so I hope that works for you on your future runs.

It’s not an exploit. It’s why I traited for 1500 range for that dungeon. It’s a tactic. It’s a regular line of site shots and the boss still attacks me from there using dragon tooth.

I don’t use exploits.
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You left an “H” out.

maddoctor.2738:

I bet you haven’t been to many fights… …learn to play… …No you don’t like the game, for someone that hates it so much I wonder why you still play, and post here.

There you have it, the answer!

We’ve just been lazy and haven’t passed level 10, we’re to dumb to play, and we should all just leave!

I’m so glad I came here this morning.

Some people deserve this game.

Indeed, there has been a few times (and a few different classes) in which I’ve turned and told guildies that I’d brb as I logged to swap to “something useful” that didn’t feel like it was being carried by everyone else. Guess that’s the joy of having one of each class pretty high up, the downside being that there is only so many times to can bang your head off the wall before you give in (For the 6th time lol).

All good things to those that wait? We’ll see if the same song is being sung in a few months time.

Everyone was once a fan, but long runs the fox, it seems mine was just caught before a lot of others, time will tell….

Is there uncle fan bois too?

Though I am a bit worried about you touching me. ^^

And very strange that you state that “I’m not going to bad mouth you guys” yet started out by labelling, then go on to point out that this game isn’t for us, and then, speak on behalf of “other people” claiming that they “really like the updates”.

So, crystal ball aside. Why does the Ranger blow chunks? Why does the combat feel shallow? And why, if all is well in FBville, are there lots of empty WvW areas. Or did we imagine it all???

Drew.1865:

BadHabitZz.1856:

huh? i dont think iam playing same game as OP is this gw2 forum?

Me either of course I’m not playing it anymore because I don’t see them making the decisions many of the people like myself want made. I also don’t like gambling unless I’m sitting next to old ladies at the slot machines in Las Vegas where RNG actually gives you a real return vrs risk.

Funny enough, I was only reading just about that very thing being stamped out on Massively (Hunts for the artical and… http://massively.joystiq.com/2013/04/17/mmo-family-is-it-time-to-regulate-mmo-cash-shops/).

It seems that the whole “get your lucky chest here” with heavy handed RNG and empty promises could get MMOs and Apps games into hot water. (The sooner the better imo. At least with subs you got the lot and knew what you were paying for (And who you were playing with – as an added bonus!).

randomfightfan.4091:

They actually listen to their community.

You might not believe me but here are some things you just can’t argue against.

It’s all so super, jolly and cuddley cool!!!!!

Oh, how I wish I was 10 again also.

ryan.5106:

Am I the only person that truly enjoys playing this game?

LoL, bear with me, please. Here’s how this question popped into my head. I had a lot, and I mean a LOT of down time today at work, so of course I’m just tooling around on my iPhone and figure I’ll hit up the GW2 forums for a few laughs. As I’m reading through the posts for the various classes- and trust me I read through what must have been 50 posted topics scattered between the various classes and the running trend is that every class is “broken” and “unplayable”, Anet HATES US ALL, and THIS GAME SUCKS- THEY BROKED MY CLASS!!!!!

Bwahahahaha!!! My sides were splitting, seriously. I guess it doesn’t help that all the people, each and every one of them, that were whining and crying on these forums typed their responses like they dropped out of the sixth grade. I digress, however

I just thought I would share my observations with you guys and I’m hoping that we can start some sort of positive feedback for the developers at Arena Net. After all, they’ve marketed a great product that has brought at least me, and hopefully a majority of others a lot of fun and entertainment.

I’ll catch you guys later, I’m off to troll some mouth breathers before I actually go into the game!

They added classes?!?!? Oh wait, nevermind!

The HMS GW2, the only ship with nobody at the helm, no one unfurling the sails and nobody wanting to load the guns, everybody just wanting to fire…
No Trinity!!! Yup, just 4 Warriors and a support fotm. How is that working out for you by the way? Me? I’m sooooo glad I was press-ganged… NOT!

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

its nice that you guys are having fun.

and if there are enough people on both sides, trouble makers can be easily dealt with.

It will be even more fun when these guys start getting bans for cross realming, and in theory breaking the WvW area by doing something it wasn’t designed for…… Just sayin……

MasterGeese.4756:

What’s the first thing you’re going to do?

Make a MMO?

Vayne.8563:

why is Anet hiring?

Sales Reps for the cash shop?

LightningBlaze.4913:

I’ll answer your question. This is the best mmorpg where you see the minority (whiners on the forums) being unhappy while the majority are enjoying the game.

And kittens on forums telling us about it?

Warlander.1384:

Game launched and its a beautiful fantasy world, possibly one of the best ive played.
But im starting to see it go down hill pretty fast.

I mean what exactly is Anets goal here? Is it not a fantasy game ?
It had some questionable concepts at first, then back packs and hoodies came out in the store…..really ? theres almost nothing worth buying as is, and 1 of the 3 armor sets looks like a reject from a bad kiss concert superhero convension..

But now theres the super box…..now im seeing people running around with digital monkeys and theres anoying digital effects and clouds……

So what is Anets goal here? some kind of hybrid game ? will I be able to buy a ford truck in the cash shop soon ? maybe a skate board ?

Am I the only one disapointed by this stuff? The game has the potential to be a fantastic fantasy world and instead its turning into some kind of mashup of american mmo game play and nonsensical japanese anime styling .

Can someone explain the point im missing ?

It’s just another nail, one of many these last few months…

15% thinking jumping puzzles are great… Welcome to Super MMariO!

Mezorick.3610:

try this: http://gw2lfg.com/
it should help you find a group

Just make sure you run Spybot afterwards.

A Dandelion is for life, not just for Summer!

killcannon.2576:

Also, not saying that Guild Wars 2 isn’t a great game, or hasn’t sold well. But in the end, the numbers don’t matter, the community does.

We’re doomed then! :p

Khal Drogo.9631:

hplee.2839:

oh really?

Spvp sub-forum: why is this game so pve centric? dev are neglecting the pvp aspect of the game, kitten this game i quit

WvW sub-foum: why is this game so pve-centric? plenty of pve updates and events, where’s the love for wvw? this game sucks

PvE sub-forum: devs are neglecting pve.

If all three sub-sections are saying the above-mentioned at the same time, you know you have a problem. And WvWers are far more likely to do PvE as well.

Maybe they are neglecting everything?

Kasama.8941:

Sometimes this game just feels like it’s rated ‘Everyone 10+’, and not Teen. It’s a bit annoying.

It’s because all the console kiddies love this as their “1st MMO” and we all know that MMOs are the new cool thing!
Nothing to do with nerds at all.
Half don’t even know what the Camelot story was, let alone the Dark Age version of it. While RvR raged on, they were playing Sonic.

Commanders… the walking advert for gold sellers everywhere!

Halanna.3927:

The dailies used to be something that just happened when you logged in and played. They happened naturally.

Now you have to actively seek them out, find where to complete them and now I spend over an hour searching for kitten to complete my daily then playing the game and having fun.

What was wrong with the dailies the way they were?

This always happens when you get no raids and your dungeons suck, they pass off some boring kitten of a grind and hope your to thick to notice.

nexxe.7081:

Just leave Tybalt, Tyria’s Hero, rest in peace already.

No rest for “Two Tibs-a-risen-whisker”. The ole zombie cat!

Cora.9745:

After seeing that, I am thinking…Nope. It’s too much like WoW for me now. Are Quaggan’s the next thing?

Not mocking you in any way, but you made me laugh as I pictured the mental image of Mists of Quaggandria.

Well the “Bringing together” part was right, cus tonight general chat was brought together to flame each other after a “senior officer” (or so he said) stated that, wait for it… “Any of the peasants that wanted to tag along with their guild, once missions were running, could.” …And so began the fun, or not fun as the case may be.
So well done on the unity front, it’s working as intended.
All player and guild names withheld so I don’t get wrist slapped

P.S. Teso – please hurry!

“Are hardcore players this games worst enemy?”

I’d say “No!”, thats the fanboys dept.

Some of us did have to replay it!
There was a bug in the 1st couple of months that jumped you to the level 40 parts.

Every game ebs and flows with patches etc., though you tend to find the RP 1s always do well.
When they start closing servers swtor style, then worry.

Heijincks.9267:

Oreoz.2573:

Heijincks.9267:

TsukasaHiiragi.9730:

Not really because you are still essentially screwing over many guilds. So many other people who have responded notice the direct threat with this patch. Small guilds will not be able to do any of this content period -

Guild Missions will require large amounts of Influence
Large amount of players online at all times

The small guilds will never raise up enough influence, and they will not have enough players online/active to participate in the activities. This is gating many players, forcing them to join different guilds if they want to do these quests, and because of the rewards they will abandon the small/medium sized guilds practically instantly.

To be very blunt here, this up and coming patch is a dagger in the backs of many players – and needs to be stopped.

Let’s see. 36500 influence is needed to get Art of War 5.

The conversion between gold and influence is exactly 20c/influence.

So in other words, to get 36,500 influence, it costs exactly 730,000 coppers which is 73 gold.

Let’s assume we have here a very small guild. 5 active members.

If each pays their equivalent share of work, that would be ~15g per person. That’s not a lot. 3 CoF path 1 runs already generates ~2 gold/person and only takes half an hour.

Personally, I’d pay that much for the content I will receive. In game speaking of course.

yeah I really can’t justify paying 15 of my hard earned gold to play a mission that’s probably gonna take 10 minutes and, given the sorry state of rewards in this game, will compensate you little to nothing at all.

Cheaper waypoint costs means nothing to the person who realizes a simple dungeon takes care of any and all WP costs for that day, and then some.

So 73 gold? Each guild participant best get an ascended piece of their choosing then. No? Then I’ll hold on to my money thanks.

To get the tree started, 15g is a pretty good investment, so your opinion is as worthless as mine. However, if 15g isn’t spent on a guild expansion, it’d be spent on personal expansion (eg. new inventory space), or worse, wasted on items to be flushed down the Mystic Toilet.

Oh, and it’s permanent content, not 15g/run content. Personally, I’d put my money on things for keep. On the big scope of things, I’d say it’s a pretty kitten good investment.

If I had 15g I’d take a screenshot & frame it! The most I’ve had on me after training & waypoint hopping is 6g. Thats over x2 80s and 5 other alts, the lowest of which is level 50.
The loot drops suck (but thats another thread/post/story), dungeons are hatful “die & runs!”, so making cash is abit nasty atm.
And no I can’t afford to buy gems for gold, I’m married! = no cash!

Heijincks.9267:

Nurse.1085:

Distaste.4801:

The only people being handed anything on a silver platter are the big guilds, IE YOU. The small guilds have to work far harder to gain influence for upgrades. What should have been done is influence costs scaling based on the number of players in the guild. That way the big and small guilds would have to put in the same amount of effort.

BAM!11!!1!!!
That’s the sound the Hammer made when you hit the nail on the head.

On that note, I’m in 2 Guilds. A small 10 man Guild and a Guild with 60+ players on. The 10 man has about 5k influence after saving (for the past few days), the 60+ player guild has OVER 40K.

It’s obviously more efficient to zerg in every aspect of this game. Now guilds.

I’ll play Devil’s Advocate.

Why should big guilds compromise for small guilds? People who form bigger guilds have put more effort into making their guilds. Why should their reward be the same as someone who poured less effort into their guild?

If you want to make things “fair”, then the cumulative work for both sized guilds should be the same. Otherwise, it just sounds like small guilds just want to be entitled to everything.

Also, you are able to represent more than one guild at once. Thus I don’t see small guilds “dying” because of this. If you have a small guild with your friends, should they leave your guild for the sake of the game, they aren’t really friends to begin with.

Because it’s badly designed! If it was based on % then there would be no drama. (Got 100 members? You need 20 players. Got 10? You need a group! /simples!).

No one cares that it’s a teir 5 unlock, they care that they won’t have enough players, have to spam channels (and get hurled abuse!), while others get upset that they can’t get it done and leave for bigger, greener pastures.

The people crying that the little guys “want it all and now!” are the one’s that have it all now and they do not care as long as they are alright!

So much for the “bringing community closer!”, yeah, it’s so close that it’s slapping each other!

Miomooki.3812:

I don’t miss “LFG MONKS” hulabaloo at all.

Roll/play one? Just an idea.

Martin Kerstein.3071:

Snowy.9580:

It clear that some have way to many breaks or free time, I do hope their bosses see these vids and start handing out the real fun!

Our boss was actually in the video.

There is this wonderful thing called team morale, having fun is good for it.

I’d fire you all then!

Vorch.2985:

You CAN be in multiple guilds…

Sorry I have loyalty as a trait. 1 man, 1 guild!

But forget it, let the big dogs do as they please. Action (or lack thereof) speaks much louder than anything, I just hope they double their gem purchases, because all the “little people” won’t be getting any more.

Yes, it sounds like being held for ransom, but these things are forced upon you, so drastic action must be used.

Vorch.2985:

Can’t all the small guilds just band together?

Ah yes, let’s force players to play with strangers, better still let’s MAKE the server work together (lol GL with that, I’ll not be!).
I see more ignorant players than enough, some barely speak, other train mobs into you and your wanting them to help and vice-versa? rofl you guys kill me!

Vorch.2985:

However, I also think that the vast majority of the game can be tackled by a group of 5 or less. Giving open-world content to larger guilds should not be frowned upon, imo. Especially when ANYONE can join in and help with the experience.

And small guilds must realize that some content will take more than 5 people to finish.

• The name…Guild Missions. Because they have the word guild in their name, SOME people have assumed, rightly or wrongly, that any guild, from the 2 person husband and wife, to the 400+ person guild, would be able to partake in them.

And it will most likely start guild wars… Maybe thats what the name of the game mean all this time!
It sure sounds like a lot want war to break out. Guess it’s dog eat dog again, and the little one’s will get eaten as always!
As someone said before, they so easily could have made some instanced way of doing things. Another straw for the Camel’s back please, Sir!

So I should get a job thats fun & enjoying? I’m a bit old to become a male escort!

JemL.3501:

if i were their supervisor, i would fire them all. No hard feelings is just my way of thinking, in work you should be serious and actually work the whole time…ofc getting good money and having a good working environment is a must…but no serious company would do this kind of stuff in my eyes.

glad..at least, you had your fun.

Agreed! If I jumped about like that in the Papermill I work in, I’d either end up sacked or inside a paper mulcher!
It clear that some have way to many breaks or free time, I do hope their bosses see these vids and start handing out the real fun!

The large guild only, type zerg is a real worry.

And as for the idea of asking about in the zone for help, I can hear the answers now, most will have the 2nd word “Off!”, the 1st I can’t repeat.

The blinders are out in force again!