Guild Wars 2

What if your in a crafting guild? Will there be guild knitting? Or make 300 metal bars? ..Just askin!

Like the rest have said, Warrior is the pve way to go, if its wvw, then go for a culling thief, they kill everything and walk away!

Tosha Daydreamer.9251:

Nightarch.2943:

@lothefallen.7081,1+ This is a really great post and it sums up everything about how I feel about the game right now, well done. It’s a shame all the hype-knights are completely living in denial about how shallow the game really is right now.

Or… maybe people actually simply disagree with you and think the game’s still fun. Just because someone does not share your opinion, does not mean they are “in denial”, nor does it make their opinion less valid than yours.

Or white canes and guide dogs? They sure have something!

Mackdose.6504:

Different builds do indeed fulfill unique and well defined roles:

1. Glass Cannon DPS – Primary damage dealer
2. Condition DPS – Anti-Armor damage dealer
3. Condition Removal Support – Keeps party mobile, protects against DoTs
4. Boon Removal – Keeps enemies from stacking might
5. Offensive Boon Support – Buffs whole party, increasing group effectiveness
6. Defensive Boon Support – Primary damage mitigation (regen, vigor, protection)
7. Offensive Control – Interrupter, defiant management, enemy position management
8. Defensive Control – Secondary damage mitigation (blind, chill, immobilize, cripple)

Combat is a bit deeper than this thread lets on.

And now there is 8 per group? ^^

Eagle – Come visit Scotland so we can make you King or President, or God even!

Kingfisher.7213:

Glad they found a problem, it couldn’t have been that easy digging through their code.

Dev team lead: Guys hit that button and turn loot on again, at least for a week or two til they shut up on the forums, then we can press it again and go back to milking.
Dev 1: Okay boss, but they may end up with enough mats to make an item or worse still, make enough gold to buy an item off the TP, you sure we want that?
Dev lead: Yes, we need to look good.
Dev 1: Ok, ok, but boss… I’m scared!

;)

The trinity here yet? No? Still broken then.. nevermind!

infrequentia.3465:

…the entire game is ‘’end game’’

Look! 3 moons and a flying pig!

It’s your time and effort, AND it’s your game as much as theirs. Ignore the kiddies OP and play how you see fit.
Don’t let anyone tell you how to play or how to spec/emote/RP/stand-on-your-head! It’s your life, live it! (Oh God I sound like a condom advert…).

DR is still there hunting players.
Culling is still making WvW impossible (And yes, the Thiefs are still abusing it).
Some dungeons are still bugged, as are some events/zones.
Oh, and the fanboys won’t tell you that you need a couple of grand to make any gold.

…Apart from all that, it’s great! cough

Ahh a good solid Escort… Tough, sturdy and fun to drive!

Bet the A3 rolls about the road like something else and has DR on fuel?

…And now she’s just a rotting weed!

Kilrain Daggerspine.6843:

Centaurs would also be sick, but I doubt it would be logical armorwise or camera wise.

I hear if you eat enough BK burgers you become half horse?

Winfernal.9208:

I can’t imagine myself enjoying MMOs this much without RNG. The excitement would be gone.. only straight-forward “goals”.

Poor sarcasm?

Notice how many “No way, I never pay!” players there is?
Now, if this was a sub game going f2p (think swtor as example), these are all the players you don’t want and are worried about getting! (Freeloaders and lowlifes – I’m only quoting!). Now, add to that the replies like “I only pay for xbox club” etc. and you get a awesome picture of what is wrong with MMOs and (imo) this game.
We’ve went from older nerds to spolit console kiddies and dregs of humanity.
Doooooomed!

I’m starting to think they should pay us subs to play it with DR & zergville going on.

Short or long answer?

No, and Hell no!

Think that covers it, they, I, you and me can’t. Nobody is allowed to have fun, it’s Gov. policy.

There’s something on your nose!?!?

Jovel.5706:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAnkOOixuDo

The option to toggle between the current combat mode and this combat mode.

Wouldn’t it give the players using it an unfair advantage if it’s so easy to win, making it an exploit of sorts? (Unless the made it official and shoot themselves in the foot again).

Females can’t use GearScore? Scary!

I’m guessing someone said something nasty, got wrists slapped, cried, got slap removed?

nastyjman.8207:

Use gw2lfg.com as your dungeon finder. Tried it once and surprised with the ease of use and grouping.

And remember to use Spybot afterwards.

Rhysati.4932:

What is with all the questions on the first page about getting banned? No, you aren’t going to be banned for using the pick to do it’s job.

That’s a shame!

Dreamer.5164:

A mount would make everything feel a lot smaller which would suck…

But teleporting about like it’s Star Trek is really slow & makes travel feel so long… Oh wait, nevermind.

If the past few months are anything to go by…

Each 2nd box will drop a precusor, followed shortly by lots of them on TP, then a week later everyone that got one will get banned for using an exploit!

xiv.7136:

It’s when there’s a crapload of players + mobs + explosions etc and the engine doesn’t render some of the ones who showed up most recently.

So in wvw in the bigger fights, people appear much closer than the max distance from which you should see them coming.

Culling is what happens instead of lag/stuttering/freezes in other MMO games where anything large scale causes FPS to drop heavily.

(finished it for you)

…And when it becomes bad (ie. lots about) like on the Klarka event, you end up being hit and/or killed by invisible mobs that haven’t been drawn/rendered.
Same with WvW, the large fights have players (mainly stealthers) appearing on top of you or “in your face” as it were, beating on you even though you can’t see them or couldn’t til the last minute.

When it says “We’ve fixed the loot DR, removed the culling and have nearly repaired all the bugs!” THEN, it will be a good 6 months ahead… Atm? It’s all blah, blah, blah!

Should be good on Xbox!

FateZero.8536:

GW2 is awesome. Beats all other MMO out there. Although there are some bugs which ANet needs to iron out and also those pesky bots. There are haters in every game and titles out there, GW2 is no exception. Haters are better off playing WoW, the monotonous, single objective game.

…And fanboys, lets not forget them eh?

Every game has it’s flaws, some more than others.

Just sit in comfort, get fat & have fun!

If you snuff it, well, you won’t be about to know it & the other poor kittens get the joy of carrying your fat kitten in a box!

emikochan.8504:

All game forums are full of negativity, because the people having fun are playing. Also you only ever get about 10% of a game’s population ever going near the forums, so that also skews it.

The question then is:

So you are ALL unhappy campers, as you are ALL posting on here and all the “We love it!” posts are fake? Cus all the happy bunnies are on playing. Just pointing out.

Hickeroar.9734:

Ugh. Bad combat? This game has some of the most fun combat of any game I’ve played at all, let alone an MMO…

…If you like Tomb Raider.

Log into LA. Say “Hi” to the 3 guildies online. Watch some “lfg fractal” spam. /sigh. Log out to play a mmo.
Every day is like a dream.

Put a cactus on your puter chair. That should make it standing PC game time!

Jaxon.5392:

If you try and pigeon hole classes you will destroy the game, because it will bring back the single most hurtful aspect of most MMO’s;

“Group looking for 1 “xxx” and 1 “xxxx” "

And you just have people who love their class unable to find groups and become disenchanted with the game, and you also have people that love their class nd can find groups but the group can never find the other class they need to go for a run.

GW2 beautifully gets rid of this bane of MMO’s

I thought the bane of MMOs was the players?

One thing I do miss about the Trinity was the reality.
Take for example real (as can be) battles, it’s hollywood but go watch Braveheart, they fight toe to toe and not one of them rolled about the floor (unless in pain).
I think thats what bugs me the most, it’s turned rpg into arcade.

DAoC will always be No.1!
Followed by LotRo, then maybe GW2, then AoC, then Rift… with Swtor & WoW about 25th and fighting for last place!

duhchris.6095:

I got gw2 at launch and loved it, got to 71, then the world of warcraft expansion came out and I got sucked into that. So today I logged on(after being tired of wow), I saw maybe 60% less people in a main city from what I last remembered. The zones are dead.

So my main questions are:
I understand that every game will have a reduction of players after release, but is that reason in this case?

Is there dueling yet? I like dueling with my friends, it gives me something to do besides sit in a main city.

How is the pvp, is it more balanced?

Are the dungeons still a cluster of mess?

Is there any sort of end game progression that makes you want to keep playing to get better? Or is it still level up to 80 for nothing?

I’d appreciate a constructive response. Thank you for your time.

No point giving you some big list, one line will do:

“It’s like watching paint dry!”

Welcome back!

Fasalina.6571:

nethykins.7986:

No extra content? Wow, well I guess what they said about an expansions worth of stuff being added soon was a lie?

“In saying this will be an expansions worth of stuff in these releases, we’re talking about the number of new features that will be rolled out across PvE, WvW, and PvP in early 2013, which usually you’d only find in an expansion for a traditional MMORPG.””

Did you read the whole post?

He means… “No new content” equals old content revamped & maybe some of the newer items added to it.. ie. more FotM kitten.

Sssssh! You’ll have the fluffy fanboy bunnies leaping off the cliff o’ doom!

A GW2 raid would look something like…

Shame I could see one with 25 people all rolling like tumbleweeds!

Cam Ron.4170:

The only thing I HATE about GW2 that I forgot to mention is that there is no click to move option (which was standard in GW1). Idk why this is not included….

It’s so you young cats can use your Xbox controllers!

Zantetsuken.9051:

Fanboy threads are just as useless to a forum as rage threads are.

Much of the criticism that has been leveled at ArenaNet is fair and justified (although in reality it is likely Nexon that are to blame). They made many promises during development, and then changed their minds AFTER people paid for the game. Just because you love their game so much doesn’t mean that the players who were lied to aren’t entitled to be angry about it.

They have a special club though, and they do like to “bait” everyone that disagrees with them. Half of them are worse than the people complaining or the “so-called” trolls. lol.

Red Falcon.8257:

Kausion.9384:

Vasham you are correct on all fronts, although from what I have read few seem to understand. The simple fact is that GW2’s PVE is egregiously inferior to WoW, Rift, etc. I know it is blasphemous to say this because GW2 “revolutionized MMO’s” and we no longer have to be “subjected to the grindfest gear treadmills that are all other MMO’s,” but let’s look at the facts. PVE is a mess. The trinity was replaced by no real substitute as has been discussed on numerous threads on this forum, and the mechanics of the fights are laughable when compared to Blizzard’s fights. Call WoW a gear treadmill all you want but you are either a fool or someone with no serious endgame PVE experience if you seriously suggests ANet’s PVE meets the bar. Vasham has covered the implications of this as well. The player base is defined by PVE players and I do not see anything sustainable right now. This game could be great but ANet did not have to abandon what WORKED in other MMO’s.

Disclaimer: I am a former WoW raider with realm first world top 50-100 kills for 6 straight tiers. You can hate on Blizzard all you want but you can not deny that they masterfully design amazing encounters, something ANet has not come remotely close to.

Interesting.

As an old person with a certain degree of skill and 20 years of MMO experience, I found WoW PvE -especially the trinity- to be the pinnacle of autopilot easymode watch-tv-while-raiding mess.
GW2 PvE at least require you to dodge and block manually (which is automatic in WoW), requires position/warding/BB to block mobs whereas in WoW it’s a mere calculation (threat) that you build by using threat buttons, is reaction-based while WOW is as easy as “memorize this rotation and do it”.

Blizzard’s simple-minded design of encounters and simplistic, brain-dead combat system that requires no skill makes it seem they are directing their game to kids in the ages 8-12.
I ran all WoW had to offer and everything was terribly easy and straight-forward, whereas in GW2 I found some challenges even in PvE.

See, this is my opinion (like yours) and I didn’t even need to put it down as a fact as you did which gives it more value and credibility.

You want Blizzard trinity and dungeon design? Go play WoW.
GW2 would not gain any benefit in dumbing down its mechanics to the level of WoW – it would actually lose the largest chunk of the playerbase.

The greatest selling point of GW2 is the huge step forward in the mechanics of combat – some people will evolve and learn it, others will not understand it and go back to games with autopiloted gameplay.

Funnily enough, also as an older MMO player I found it to be the opposite. It used tactics, planning, timing and above all, knowing your class and it’s role.

Here I find it’s more like Street Fighter, with no plan, zero tactics and jumping & rolling about like a ninja, whom if dies just returns straight into the fray. Almost like being a kamikaze, just run headlong onto battle, no worries, no cares.

Maybe Rift was onto something, shame they failed to deliver. Food for thought though.

The control sure needs addressing. Nothing is funnier than the “Benny Hill” chase around a dungeon with a squeling Ele being chased by 3 or 4 mobs. The others all stopped to look & laugh at one point, but I guess the game is fine.. move on, nothing to see here!

Sokina.8041:

No. No No No.

Look at what you’re saying. “kite and dodge” and “Singular gimmicks?”

And the “Trinity” will make things better? GW2 has its problems, but the kitten trinity won’t fix them. I’ve been playing MMOs for a long time as well, and I’m sick of the stupid trinity. I’ve played all 3 parts of the trinity, and they bore the hell out of me. GW2 doesn’t need this, not now, not ever. The lack of a trinity didn’t do anything to GW2’s PVE.

The trinity does not belong in this game. Period. They’re not going to rework everything just to implement the trinity in a game that was built around not having one. That’s just naive. If you want a trinity, by all means go back to WoW.

But you are NOT the majority of this population, you are NOT the voice of this population, you are NOT the leader of a revolution. The trinity would kill this game. It was designed without the trinity in mind. Don’t delude yourself into thinking it’ll be put back in.

It’s dated. I’m sorry you don’t like change. Goodbye.

~~Sincerely, someone who’s been playing mainly healer for the past 10 years of MMOs, understands the Trinity quite well, and still doesn’t want that kitten in GW2. This is coming from someone who still chooses massive healing and tankiness on her Guardian. (So I could heal AND tank if I wanted to? And I could also change my build so very easily? And you think trinity > This system?)

PS: Coming off as “Holier than Thou” and demanding things makes you look very pretentious and insults don’t help your case out.

Question: What is your Horse’s name? He seems very tall.

Zeldain.5710:

TWMagimay.9057:

A few things…

1. Anybody who thinks trinity is “tank and spank”, “hp whack-a-mole”, “no skill/challenge”. You are right. You also must be extremely bad players. What trinity does is give you options. You can be bad and bored or you can be good and take encounters to the next level.

2. I frankly didn’t know what I was getting myself into when I bought GW2. I knew they didn’t have a “holy trinity”, but nobody could tell me how they did it. I had it down to 2 possibilities. Everybody is a dps with wanna-be support. Or every class can fulfil any role. I figured, it must be the second one, which would’ve made it the perfect game for me since all my healers(at least those I played for more than 2 days) could tank, support and dps at a decent lvl(basically, i’d build a jack of all trades from a healer). Sadly, it was the first option. I love everything else about this game or at least could love if I had the option to play the way I wanted to. Instead I’m just getting hyped about ArcheAge and hoping it comes out in 2013.

There was more, but I got distracted xD

This is a great post… and really, what I thought as well.

The roles should still exist, but they should be able to be filled by any class at any time. This would be a step enough away from the traditional trinity and class based roles, but also give that structure, depth and variety to combat that it currently and totally lacks.

Indeed. Instead of Rift’s “You can be anything you want!” stance, we got “You can be nothing! Jump about like a Fairy!” stance. Lesson learned I guess.

Happy New Beer to one and all!

Kakeru.2873:

Fuz.5621:

Snowy.9580:

wildcode.5403:

The lack of the holy trinity(healer/dps/tank) in GW2 means we must change the playing style that we’ve grown lazy with by relying on the trinity in other games. GW2 is not “just” another MMO, GW2 redefines how we play MMOs and if we don’t change the lazy playing style that we have grown accustomed to, then we are left feeling like we don’t have a place in the game.

Because the tactics of “Die & run back” is sooo much fun, and only second to that all time favourite “Help! All 3 trash mobs are on me & I’ve no energy left to roll about like a Jedi with!”.

Yup, the game is fine without any kitten trinity or anything else… like fun!

Tactical tip of the day: “Ok, all drop combo fields and hope no one dies!”

I don’t “die and run back”. Not after my first runs on the dungeons.
Learn and adapt.
You just suck at this game and you’re blaming the game itself for your lack of skill.

It’s funny you say that, because there is a path in CoF which you MUST use the “die, revive and run back” tactic otherwise it is virtually impossible. And don’t even try to argue that, this is due to a players skill or build because it’s clearly bad game design.

White knights like you are going to be the downfall of this game, it’s the reason SWTOR just fell apart, it’s blind fanboy fanbase who don’t know the meaning of constructive critisim and think their game is perfect in every single way, then wonder why the game ends up dead within a year.

Lol I’m sorry, but I’m far from being any kind of fanboy for any of these newer MMOs – trinity or not! They are after the console kiddie market & it’s doing more harm than good.

Fuz.5621:

Well, you said it. You “die and run back”, scrub.

Charming! Insulting people just because…. Nevermind, it isn’t worth the effort.

Have a Happy New Year!

Thanks for:
Giving us all a laugh at others. ^^ (You know what I mean. Even the devs are roflin’).