The roles aren’t designed to be structured, and it’s painfully obvious that you can’t get your head out of the “this is my job, and it’s the only one I have” mindset.
Right, the roles in this game are more subtle and nuanced than the trinity system. The issue is that players have very little incentive to learn how they work outside of tPvP and high-level Fractals. You can run through AC or zerg in WvW/hotjoins without hardly coordinating at all, which leads people to believe that there is nothing to coordinate. It’s like running super easy/outleveled zones in trinity games with just DPS because you don’t need a tank or healer.
^^This!^^
Add to the fact that it has made grouping less fun for some too. How so? Well, no one has to care or give a kitten about antone else, so if your in trouble… tough kitten, die & run back!
Yes, waiting for an hour for a tank or healer wasn’t fun. But only if you were the dpser, every ones I’ve ever met only cared about themselves & their damage meters, so it hardly mattered. Had they joined guilds (another unselfish act) they would have had groups!
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The lack of the holy trinity(healer/dps/tank) in GW2 means we must change the playing style that we’ve grown lazy with by relying on the trinity in other games. GW2 is not “just” another MMO, GW2 redefines how we play MMOs and if we don’t change the lazy playing style that we have grown accustomed to, then we are left feeling like we don’t have a place in the game.
Because the tactics of “Die & run back” is sooo much fun, and only second to that all time favourite “Help! All 3 trash mobs are on me & I’ve no energy left to roll about like a Jedi with!”.
Yup, the game is fine without any kitten trinity or anything else… like fun!
Tactical tip of the day: “Ok, all drop combo fields and hope no one dies!”
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And to those shouting about how much they like having no roles, you really do want to play BF3 or Mario…
..or GW2?
It’s basically what is said there. On the box. Did I miss something?
Yeah, you left out the “RPG” part that is meant to be in it too.
where did this idea that rpg meant you needed a tank a healer and dps. I played many rpgs without this paradigm. Every play Secret of Mana? FF3-9 (they had healing, but you didnt require dedicated healers, and you had virtually no tanks) The concept of RPG is because you play a role. Warrior is a role, mesmer is a role, theif is role.
no one is discussing rpg here, they basically a discussing their prefered game mechanics, but if you really want trinity, probably shouldnt buy a game that was heavily promoted as not being that type of game.
Sorry I didn’t play FF games, they are a bit to “consoley” for me.
As for the Warrior, Ele, Necro etc.. Those are classes, then the said classes “fill” a role (or a job or task if you like). Sadly, that task has been removed.
Now, I did know what I was getting myself into, BUT, I didn’t think it would be as bad as it was. Rolling around “evading” things is just a pure arcade game to me.
It would be like watching a Ali boxing match, he evades while the other poor sod hammers away! And while it worked, it was as boring as kitten to watch (bet it wasn’t much fun playing it either! hehe). I’d love to see LotRs or Star Wars big battle scene, as 1,000s of actors charge, head long at one another, only to start rolling around the floor… Epic!.
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And to those shouting about how much they like having no roles, you really do want to play BF3 or Mario…
..or GW2?
It’s basically what is said there. On the box. Did I miss something?
Yeah, you left out the “RPG” part that is meant to be in it too.
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The problem with a lot of the newer MMOs is the fact that… Well, they are not MMOs. This path of sticking a single player game (with others and friends) isn’t working. This is what they get for trying to get console players into MMOs, cheap arcade games that start dropping players, money & staff after a month.
Here’s hoping the “good ’ole days” return, and return soon©BW (Sorry, had to add the swtor pun as someone is going to same way!).
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It’s a well known fact that GW2’s PVE is horrible. Trash mobs have ridiculous health pools, boss strategies consist of nothing more than “kite and dodge” with singular gimmicks if you’re lucky. Event bosses, meant to replace raiding, are mindless zergfests with no strategy involved (Risen High Priests) or giant monsters that sit in one place and roar at you helplessly while you kill them with zero resistance or challenge (the dragon encounters, also Zhaitan). It doesn’t help that the loot from all of this is either non existent or just plain sucks.
There’s a simple reason why this is true and will remain an unbreakable constant for GW2’s lifespan as a game. It’s the much touted “no holy trinity” gameplay. Now I know how the responses to this will go:
But Vasham, the trinity just put all the responsibility on the healer and no one else! DPS could sleepwalk through encounters and tanks just had to not die!
False. To say the trinity was that simplistic shows one’s ignorance of PVE mechanics and overall lack of experience in true endgame content. Tanks, DPS, and Healers all had specific sub-duties in encounters, mechanics to watch for, and skills to master beyond their base role in the raid. I would dare say the trinity required a higher skill ceiling than any role a class can play in GW2.
But the trinity forces people into playstyles they don’t like and extends the time it takes to form a group!
False. While a time existed in previous MMOs where to play a certain class meant you played a certain role in the trinity that time has long passed. MMOs with good class balance (read: anything not by Arenanet) have either been released or changed their classes so the one you play isn’t pigeonholed into a specific role. I never met a tank or healer in WoW, Rift, or other games that played those roles exclusively yet didn’t enjoy it. The lack of those roles have turned many players away from GW2, and I can’t blame them.
But the trinity is an old and tired system! This game’s system is new!
New doesn’t mean good, if anything it’s proven the opposite. The lack of the trinity as a solid foundation for encounter design is why GW2 has had such trouble with it’s PVE content. Arenanet made the mistake of viewing the trinity in such shallow terms during development that they forgot why it’s stood the test of time. Without the trinity to provide that basic framework encounters boil down to a murky cloud of damage dealing and kiting. There’s nothing to support more advanced mechanics than the most basic of gimmicks as GW2’s dungeons and events have proved, and the new Fractals dungeon has reinforced that proof.
Deny it all you want, but PVE players are the backbone of a healthy MMO. With GW2’s sPVP in a rapid decline and the pipe dream of esports becoming more unreachable every day Arenanet will need to appease the PVE playerbase to stay afloat. With such poor encounter design limited by a wide eyed dream of a world with no trinity it’s an avenue they are not prepared to deliver on unless drastic change is made to class balance and the trinity is reinstated.
That, or we can look forward to spamming 2 again to kill the next Elder Dragon.
At last, someone with brains that isn’t blinded by fanboism.
And to those shouting about how much they like having no roles, you really do want to play BF3 or Mario… You know, other arcade games. Leave the real MMOs to the big boys that like challenges eh?
You can’t have a role*, when something has zero roles or only one role… DPS… THAT! Is a arcade game with multiplayer.
- or social role is a set of connected behaviours, rights and obligations as conceptualised by actors in a social situation. It is an expected or free or continuously changing behaviour and may have a given individual social status or social position. It is vital to both functionalist and interactionist understandings of society. Social role posits the following about social behaviour:
1/ The interaction among heterogeneous specialised positions, we call roles.))
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You can all stop posting… I won!
He is now away, installing 8 different MMOs to see if he can find the said class combo.
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A hobbit deathknight?
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…and a great way to fool people too! Yup, called it, pure BS!
Lol 2 million+ stamps used just to mail a card to players that no longer maybe play, are not even Christians and that’s not counting all the overseas mail and 10 times the price! Was a nice try though! WD.
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A charr telling you he’s gonna “Rip your kitten head off!” sounds fine, if anything it’s more fitting in RP terms, and I can’t really picture a human warrior getting smashed on their head and going “Oh dash it all, that smarts!”… It just doesn’t fit into a medieval/dungeons and dragons setting. mental image of a Charr skipping through the trees collecting flowers …Nope, isn’t working!
Drunk Norns? Bound to fight, cuss & drink all night (welcome to Scotland!).
It’s only the other 2 races that it doesn’t fit into imo, the treehuggers are to nice and only want harmony, and the asura would most likely have 200 different large words for “kitten!”.
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They could add some precurors as RNG drops and… Opps! Nevermind, i said to much!
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So the answer is???
Grind dungeons for nothing but cash, never buy anything, never port – just run, don’t craft, and finally… pray from a event precursor?
What do I win?
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No, we are all mad because either a dev or some gold seller/bot/farmer can do this and afford the registration price and the ending fee. Shows you whom this game was targeted for.
Amen!
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Except honest players aren’t being punished. There are so many ways to make gold it’s a complete joke.
Can you report people for being blind fools?
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The game was pumped out before it was finished, then the plans got changed to suit the pocket-liners that care little to non about mmo’s, RPing or anything else apart from a buck!
Some months down the line they will look at lotro and go “Oh kitten That’s how it’s done!”.
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Why does nobody ever warn these newbs to Avoid the blinkered fanboys???
The only things allowed are “Fixed grins” and “fluffy bunnies tattoos”. Ms Langford must play here.
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Still no word about this… Starting to believe the rumors at the server database was hacked.
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Because neither my wife’s or my passwords now work to login to the game since the patch.
And the support page is as helpful as a akittenray on a motorcycle. Open an support account.. I have 2 accounts with you already… why another?
We’ve not seen any IPs logged in apart from our own. So we are guessing its bugged or has been reset, a reset without any form of warning or email is just bad business and rude! Let’s hope it’s not the latter eh?
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GW2 is actually sold out at the stores in my town. No chance to get before christmas anymore! So yes it is on a dying path ^^
How is things in Monowi ?
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I suppose GW2 can be considered an RPG because you do create a character with choice in backstory, faction choice, quest direction, etc…. granted those choices and interactions mostly end up being meaningless, but enough (bare minimum if you will) to qualify it as an RPG.
But thats not playing a role, thats more like The Sims.
Roles are something a character does, our characters only have 1 , and that is to dps (waits for the support etc kitten row).
At the end of the day the only role is looking after number one, and that isn’t a role, it’s a arcade game… I look after myself in Far Cry 3, I dps, I self heal, I dodge and evade enemies! Is that a RPG?
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RPG? Role? LOL What role? Oh, dps, dps or maybe dps? Role! Lol.
Maybe, maybe… It’s ROLE on the floor laughing?
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You people deserve lower pops and failure if thats how you think! Have a good day!
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…people dont seem to appreciate the hard work the team is putting up for us Daily updates is something i hadn’t seen in other MMOs specially without interrupting gameplay all you require is a quick restart and bam your new build is done,no more 3 hours downtime on the game for a 1 mb download…
I’m sorry, did you just thank them for the stealth nerfs?
Not sure if I’m shocked or horrified… Most likely both!
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Judging by the 1st 3 replies, we are official now in WoW mode!
Grind, and now rude kiddie fanboys, all thats needed is large shoulder armor & flying mounts and the path to the wow side is complete!
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Loads got suspended on swtor for taking “below level” characters to Ilum.
Sounds like it’s time the same here!
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hi everyone,
I have just bought the game and still updating
But I saw some threads that saying the game is dying or getting boring, so I am just curious that am I too late to join the game ?
If you don’t mind lots of grind and a gear treadmill, then the game will be ok for you. However, the WvW/sPvP population took a HUGE dive.
Also, there isn’t really that many different effective/viable builds per class right now, and lvl-ing to 80 without lvl-ing crafting with gold is also time-consuming comapred to gw1 (lower lvl zones are now very empty, you’ll be soloing for the most part).
Again, objectively speaking, if you’re fine with grind and a gear treadmill, you won’t regret it. That, or if you can get your hands on a lvl80 account with end-game gear.
Sheesh, I play mostly during off peak times and much of what you said is not what I am seeing at all. Crafting has been really easy, I go for every node that I see on my mini map, and have plenty of materials to level up without ever feeling like I am grinding for materials. The lower level zones always have people in it, and the majority of the events I go to have at least 6 people for the event.
The person you quoted just raced to 80 because they thought that’s what matters in an MMO. The “grind” is all about lvl 80 content. The spending gold is all about skipping leveling content so he can be lvl 80 faster.
Totally agree here.
I lol every time some fb throws up a remark about “It’s because you rushed to 80!!!1!!1one!!”, then posts 2 days later stating that “The game only begins at 80, thats why your bored!”.
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Ignore the forums, you will enjoy the game a lot more that way.
Ignore the game & enjoy the forums!
The forums have more to do, you don’t have to grind posts, they don’t zerg you OR force you to play as a DPSer. The level of loot drop is the same though!
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Play how you want to, but there is no actual “need” in GW2 for 1/3 of the Trinity.
It has it already though… DPSers. Which is why our guild now calls it a MMOAPG (A for action as there is no roles.
The down side of it all is the fact that even with guildies and being a social person that wants to play with others the dps only thing isn’t much fun in dungeons where it soon becomes “Kitten you all, your on your own! I’m looking after number 1!” …How friendly! Nobody cares, and it’s making player look selfish and greedy (imo).
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Yes, it’s not an achievement. You have just finished the intro part, now get ready for the real game.
Hope you like zergs & gear grinds!
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Hello Guild Wars 2.
Since I logged in on the game i was verry surprised,
The graphics where good, no quests and stuf and a verry good comunity-based gameplay.
But a little problem for me was; i couln’t be a healer.
Healing yourself, yes. Others, no.
Before i start playing this game i played World of Warcraft. I liked the game but became sick of doing quest after quest after quest.
De good side of that coin was healing. EVery race could heal (like we can do too) but in a different rate. you got Healing Over Time healer, Instant healers, or Area Of Effect healing. I really liked that (not that i want go back) and it’s a shame everyone can heal himself so they don’t need supporting people like me to help them (other than killing the enemy)
Actually i hoped Arenanet had something to offer for every player, onfortunatly not for me. I am not complaining about leaving the game (when that was the case i would have left without saying that) but i just hope Arenanet will think about this.
Yours Faithfully,
I hate to be “that guy” but I would like to point out that you should research your product before buying it. Guild Wars 2 was said time and time again to have gone away with the “holy trinity” and everyone would have their own heals. The developers has said there is no dedicated healer, no dedicated tank, and everyone can do damage.
I’m sorry you expected otherwise, but those expectations were falsely place. A.Net will not change this, because of the way they build the combat system of this game as well as their stance against the Trinity.
Gave it a few months of players leaving & others asking for raids etc., minds have been changed before, check no grind and swtor’s “it’ll never be F2P!” for just some examples.
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Don’t ask for stuff that would ruin the game.
Isn’t that locking the stable door?
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Because if they no longer play they don’t count?
People seem to forget that everyone paid to get the game.
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1st it has to feel like a MMO, sadly, this does not. (Not any more! – Maybe in some patch about 2 years from now!).
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Well since I no way to know if they have it on autocast I will just report them for botting anyway. Sick of hearing it over and over. If they get banned then maybe they will learn to NOT autocast it town.
Besides, I don’t think ANET wants people to stay logged in permanently anyway and wouldn’t casting it over and over do that?
Never heard a bot using it…EVER! And not to many bots stand about in the TP or LA. But sure, keep on judging others by your standards and upsetting people just because your annoyed. How dare they!
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The game wasn’t designed to have them, why don’t you also complain there aren’t killstreaks, or elves, or limit breaks, or bankais, or fusions…
…Or grinds! Times change!
And I am only on about ground mounts, I (personally) like to ride about exploring. Why? Well it’s faster than running, it’s safer (out running mobs), it’s generally more fun than slowly running around which can feel like forever, and I won’t start on “teleporting” about the place and how it feels even more wrong in a MMO.
As was said before, the game has mounts, you see NPCs on them in statues and paintings etc. and mounts fit in with evolution.
*NPC 1: Let’s catch that animal & train it to carry us about, my legs hurt!
*NPC 2: No, I want to walk everywhere and get to everything late!
*NPC 3: Nah, I’m going to ignore the “free” animals and build a robot!
We have droids and laser rifles but no one can work out Equestrianism. ROF&L!
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So funny that the cries are going out against mounts cause “They didn’t have them in GW1!”!!!
Is this the same GW1 that the same 1s are crying about that is nothing like GW2? Really? Awesome!
A lot of people seem to miss that fluff like mounts is (wait for it…) optional. There, I said it!
Do you all walk to your work/school/home/mental hospital? I bet not. But hey! Keep thinking all about yourself, at least we had the kittens to give you a choice, take the red mount pill or the blue walk pill…
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I will quit this game immediately if mounts are introduced. Anything that "wow"s it up.
Like a gear grind? OPPS!
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Every race in history had them, every mmo had them, hey look! We’re special bunnies!
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It’s not dying, the world isn’t ending Dec 21st and all is well on the “full” servers!
The fact that our guild has went from 50 to 5 isn’t real, they are all just invisible and Divvy’s Reach is busting at the gills as we speak! /honest!
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Most of MMOs are rng, why did you think GW2 would be different.
Most are based around a few items though, for example a boss mob in WoW, you get a list of “drops” and a random 1 or 2 of them drop each time.
Not a random drop of say, 1 gold or a 1,000,000. (I’m shocked they haven’t added the million drop yet, they’ve added everything else that is a wreaking ball).
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Yeah, we read the other post. It read as “I’ve got mine! kitten you all! Be upset if you want, but I’M alright jack!”.
The answer op? The RNG should never have been used in a mmoapg, fixed/static loot is the fair way.
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When MMO’s start thinking they are Tomb raider, then it’s time to stop.
Players, companys and many developers have lost all sight of what AD&D was before it jumped into PCs.
We even have Super Mario jumping now, I can’t help but wonder what the next great innovation will be… Maybe characters could stand at the bottom of a hill and have a large ape roll barrels at them? Oh wait! Nevermind!
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There is way to many stealth nerfs and not enough talking to the players.
Things are changed because the powers that be see fit, and before the fluffy bunny fanboys jump in and say “It’s their game to change as they please!”, well, yes it is, but we are the fools that paid for it, and then go on to ignore that it’s a different kettle of fish that we bought, just so they can boost the gem shop sales by cutting off loot and gold farming… It’s called oppression!!!.
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GW2’s Combat System is based on:
Damage/Control/Support
Also known as “DPS/Tanking/Healing”, just under a different light? Lol.
Thought so!
When is “Taunt” skill being added again? lol.
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Dungeons are being renamed in the next patch to “DARB” or “Die and run back!” …it’s the new …err… tactics!
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Gaming background:
Loads of PC games like Hitman, GTA, MoH etc.
MMO Gaming background:
Started out with DAoC til WoW killed it off in EU, then ended up in WoW with some LotRO thrown in for good measure with a dashing of SWG, then on to Rift (cus WoW Cata was a load of kitten), from Rift to SWTOR (lol), onto GW2… Event… Back on LotRO til something better comes!
(Thank you SWTOR and GW2 for making me into a MMO locust in such a short time, 4 or 5 years with every other game but yours! wd!).
Thoughts on GW2:
Disaster movie! Starting to think MMOs are a dead horse!
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I just want to say great job Anet thank you so much for adding the character re-customization. Thanks for listening to your players!
Also want to thank Arenanet well done. Already bought 2 these makover kits.
GJ on Guild Wars 2. Awesome mmorpg
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“GW2 the game with more rolls than roles!”
See, now if there’s a reason to be mad about ascended gear – it’s because it takes time away from that shooting gallery and the orchestra!
Esp. with the RNG we have atm! You could probably win a precursor in the shooting gallery!
We’ll stop to sleep when the game is the best possible game we think it can be.
We’ve been awake since March 2007! Please help!
“GW2 the game with more rolls than roles!”
How fast did you get that 66g? Might wanna hold onto it next time (though the prices of precursors are going up again).
Or wait til the next event, they hand them out in droves there!
We’ll stop to sleep when the game is the best possible game we think it can be.
We’ve been awake since March 2007! Please help!
“GW2 the game with more rolls than roles!”