In this forum at the very top is this thread with pictures other players have posted of their necros. Some have even gone the extra step and listed out what gear they are wearing.
I would like to dust off my necro. Played a bit of WvW last night and some spvp and whatnot. Didnt get a chance to get into any of the dungeons or any of the Fractals ( havent tried any as of yet) but I am looking forward to seeing how the necro has changed over time.
what are some of the more popular builds you guys are using these days? Spvp / wvw/ pve ?
Ascii, what builds are you running specifically or are you cooking up anything new?
I encourage you to put this build into one of the build editors and then link it at the top of your post. Having explanations for why you chose something is good but a lot of people like to be able to ‘see’ the build laid out on a web page and such.
Good job on the build
Madame Moorshade Teknomancer.
I see you are using weapon swapping to stack a good amount of bleeds on your targets. Most of these times you have full lifeforce. Are you aware you can pop into DS and use weapon swap? Then you could trait enfeebling blood. It would allow you to stack a lot more bleeds when you are within that close proximity fight. Just a suggestion =)
After taking a look at the build I must say, it seems pretty fun. However you might want to try switching out the sigil of bloodlust to a sigl of battle/accuracy/hydromancy. Either of those three will — give you added dmg through might or crit OR allow you to keep your target within your wells with a simple weapon switch. This is assuming you are switching weapons regularly to use different abilities.
Just a suggestion =)
Madame Moorshade Teknomancer
PS: You can send a text or pm to Acsii , he did testing to show that the 5% crit actually came out better than the stacked power. I forget the amounts but I’m pretty sure 5% crit > power stack sigil either way.
I hope you enjoy playing your guardian. I however do not feel like we should in anyway shape or form replace our current scepter abilities with the scepter abilities of the guardian.
Also besides that I am not quite sure what the rest of your post is ranting about.
Necro is a super fun profession to play. Like gnome said we do have some bugs and yes you will be frustrated at times with certain things and ways the class works. If you try it out, I highly suggest sticking with it until at least level 30 while leveling up. quality of life for a necro gets much better then when you can get the flesh golem.
So here’s the deal on that one: Dark Path is intentionally slow because it tracks the target and allows you to start using other skills before it connects. One of the ways that I love using it is launching it at an enemy that’s at near (but not at) max range, fearing them, exiting DS, then starting Dark Pact. As soon as the Path projectile hits them, you shadowstep and immediately immobilize them from the short-range Pact, then pound on them with dagger skills and wells. When Dark Path is faster, it’s harder to use it to effectively combo other skills.
For in-deathshroud abilities, I tend to use Life Blast until my bar’s about 50% depleted, then Dark Path+Life Transfer for maximum damage and chasing power.
That is quite a combo you have going there Karl. I will have to try this out later tonight. I have always found that chasing people while in deathshroud usually ended up with me on the ground, waving my hand around =(
Actually the other day Ascii and I came up with a pretty decent hybrid bleeding /power axe build. Stacked bleeds faster than my scepter/staff builds and did moderate damage both in and out of deathshroud. I did fairly well in tpvp and spvp testing it out.
Well samkong did have that thread about sending them cake that jumped from under 1000 views to 6000+ views overnight so …I’m pretty sure that drew a lot of attention to the community hehe.
So to participate in the paid tourney you need a full team of people signed up correct? I cannot join in a paid tourney myself as a single ?
That is my understanding from the patch notes is this correct or is it possible to join a tourney if my team is just me + 1 friend and the game auto fills the rest of positions?
Nyorai.1630
Wells:
We have reworked wells so now they correctly place an actual well at your feet. You can get water bucket environmental weapon from them.
Add: Bucket environmental weapon can only be used while fueled by the boon “Tears”.
“Tears” Can be gained by logging in and taking any action.
The problem with Anet implementing something like this ( a nice idea at that) is that they would now have to balance every single build that we could do around the possibility of the necro also having pets out. I would not want to be the dev who would have to go back through abilities and re-balance and entire class from the bottum up now =( Good idea though.
I’m quite sorry that you feel that was Lettuceman. I have chatted a bit with They Are Hashes and I do not for one minute think he would ever update the main portion of that thread with any non-sense that was not actually a bug. Confirmed by the community to me is just about the same as confirmed as by the devs. The testing that they would do for it is about the same as we could. Seek—replicate—report.
If you don’t think minions going away while in moa form or any other form is a bug, then that is quite okay. Like you said , it is all subjective opinion. Most necros just happen to agree on that subjective opinion, that’s all.
It’s funny, soon as i saw the first rune of the mad king linked in lions arch I thought to myself -Ascii is going to love this-
So are you going to run chilling runes on mainhand and hydro on offhand I’m guessing? Also have you gone back to test out a bleed/chill build? Might be a bit more possible with the sigils working now maybe?
What amuses me most about this thread, even more than the funny fake patch notes, is the fact that some people thought think that ArenaNet is covering up this bug by calling it a feature. How do you guys “know” that this behavior is a bug? Do you have a link to a dev post or some other source?
Minions aren’t pets – they are utility skills. Like all utility skills, if they’re not on your bar, you can’t use them. When transforming into Lich or Plague form, all of your utility skills, including your heal skill, are removed from your bar. Thus it makes perfect sense that the minions would go away too. Some people were getting confused because this wasn’t explained properly, so they modified the tooltip to clarify. What is the problem here?
They know because it is a confirmed bug in the bug report thread sticky’d at the top of the forum, that mods and devs go through. That is how most bugs are widely known.
-All necro weapon abilities now redirect the necro to these forums on use -All Necro healing skills now replace the necros last forum post with the single word “Kitten”.
-All necro utiliy skills now cause the necro to gain +1 infractures. The necro elite skills have been replaced with a new skill.
-Infracture : When used the necro is logged out of the forums and put directly into a tpvp game 1 vrs 5. The other team is 5 mesmers. Enjoy.
Proposal:
Give lifeshroud an alternate keypress ( Alt+F1 or w/e) When the keypress is held down the necromancer slowly depletes the bar. Per the amount drained utility ability cooldowns are reduced by a certain amount.
Cerulean Moth,
It is really strange that you mention the idea of lifeforce gain on bleed ticks. When I first started my necro that was exactly how I thought lifeforce worked lol. I was , for some weird reason, under the impression that lifeforce was added in small amounts at the end of every damage I did to my target.
Was pondering over different ideas on how to change deathshroud to better benefit the 2 builds it is currently lacking in: Conditionmancer and MinionMaster.
Proposal:
Give lifeshroud an alternate keypress ( Alt+F1 or w/e) When the keypress is held down the necromancer slowly depletes the bar. Per the amount drained utility ability cooldowns are reduced by a certain amount.
So if you had your fleshgolem on cooldown you could essentially eat some of your own lifeshroud to reduce the cooldown on it by a small amount. Or if you needed to pop another quick blood is power or something you could eat that lifeforce up and get it up a little sooner.
This would enable both conditionmancers and minionmasters who do not readily use deathshroud as much to benefit from actively using it now. It might also push power builds that do use it to make more complicated decisions now during fights on whether or not to use the lifeshroud to reduce cooldowns or to use it to go into deathshroud.
I converted gold into gems a while back, then bought all the keys I anticipated I would need for the event. Got 1 of the chainsaw skins , a scythe, and some shoulderpads. All from around 70ish chests opened. I sold the shoulderpads and Sword skin in the TP and made my money back plus a little bit. When Anet publicly stated there was going to be weapon skins in the black lion chests why did more people not start buying keys then , I don’t understand.
If the dev team had ignored these other fixes they put in, and had JUST fixed corrupt boon and possibly something like oh I dont know…minion AI…these forums would of had a much better feeling to them this morning.
Instead most necros now feel even more unwanted by Anet. Even more discouraged. No plan or words of encouragement from devs. The only good thing to happen for my necro in the past week has been this Scythe skin I got from the halloween event.
On one hand I’m glad corrupt boon is / was fixed but I feel like they could of given us a few more of the bugs fixed . Since there are supposed to be different dev teams why is ours ( professions) lacking so much =(
@Teknomancer
no need to be that harsh. He asked the questions and he got the answers. That’s that.
Sorry wasn’t trying to be harsh, just putting in my 2copperworth. Sorry if i offended you OP. I mean technically it’s your game..you play how you want!
Wow, you really would rather them publish all the information on the event rather than just do it yourself and find out?
Isn’t actually playing the game part of playing the game anymore?
Why even log on then? Just let the devs have your account and play it for you.
I would much rather the devs put a little bit of time into making more armor sets/ different looks rather than work out and balance in a whole new aspect of the game like this.
Zzzzzzzzzzzz post a game against decent players or ur like all these other optimistic full of fake fruit cakes.
And people are still measuring viability in wvw just to make up for lack of arguement kitten???
Can you clarify what it is you are talking about? Who is it that should post a game? Everyone? Whom are the fake fruit cakes you are referring to?
Measuring viability in WvWvW , Spvp, Tpvp, or Pve is viable to the person measuring it. Just because you do not happen to think it is or are against it does not necessarily make their concerns with that aspect of the game null or void.
Ascii, Have you thought about switching runes out for the 6 Ice runes? For the extra %5 dmg to frozen foes, and then doing Sigil of Chilling/Hyadromancy on the main weps to make up for some of the chill duration lost?
pve is simple , pvp is where you see the differences of the game , and NO 1 on 1 should not be the case according to arena net in terms of a class as you put it " Designed for fighting 1 on 1 " , funny you can figure that out before arena net has . or have they ? , nvm my point is . even for someone like you who does not care about pvp , should at least acknowledge the fact the disparity of " Balance " and not just focus on the pve element of the game but also see the pvp side of it as well .
Is that it then? In PvE it doesn’t matter and it’s just PvP where the class underperforms? Are all these threads just talking about PvP? Because I’m okay with that.
You should not be ok with that. Anet game devs balance this game around spvp/tpvp. Not around pve. Also the long list of bugs sticky’d at the top of the forum should worry you. A lot of your skills and abilities are not working the way that they should be. This should bother you.
Does it mean necros are unplayable or so handicapped we cannot do anything? Nope.
It does however mean we are trying twice as hard as other classes to get the same results ( not pve).
While it is not something you HAVE to do, I for one encourage anyone who wishes to even begin talking about balance or posting on these forums to play all aspects of necro. PVE, WvWvW, Tpvp, and Spvp. Then you will have a broader scope of what problems might be with the class. If some of those things are not for you , that’s ok, but you shouldn’t just dismiss it all because it seemingly doesn’t affect your pve play ( which it does because of the bugs)
Anyhow Have a good weekend and enjoy your necro!
Madame Moorshade Teknomancer.
Might i also point out daggers 3 skill (the immobilize) is killer, you land that on a target, weapon swap for chill and drop all 3 wells its game over for anyone. Theifs cant fight back cos of the blind, Mesmer clones die instantly, guardians boons are ripped out of em, rangers just melt.
Yep yep yep. I loved dropping dagger 3 and switching to my mainhand weapons (axe/focus) and let the hydromancy switch hit them , then pop the well bombs then followup with a spinal shiver into an axe 2 or 3 depending on how many people in the fight / hp of target. It does indeed melt peoples faces who stick around too long. Quite hilarious to use on thieves who try to sneak away only to see them pop up 2 seconds later at 1/3 their hp. GG and fun times.
My only gripe with the build is I wish there was a little more constant damage instead of combo setup spike. That’s just my thoughts after the one night with the build, perhaps I need a little more playtime with it.
If you level a craft to 1-400 you will net yourself about 10 levels actual exp. On average I would set aside 3-4g per craft that you want to take to 400. Some will be less gold some a little more. I recommend going artificer-tailor-leatherworker-armor or weapon craft- cooking last(expensive).
Ran this build last night changed up some of the sigils. Used axe/focus + dagger/dagger. Switched up some of the weapon sigils to lightning strike for a little more direct dmg which worked out quite well. Overall was a nice change of pace from the usual conditionmancer that I have been running in spvp lately.
On the subject of deathshroud I really do wish we had some sort of trait that allowed us to gain some sort of passive buff when our shroud-meter is completely full. Like it would put us into a limbo stage, where we are in between normal and deathshroud modes.
Something like:
While deathshroud is 100% full you become ethereal. Your attacks have a 5% chance to give you might.
I know not the greatest bonus, just a quick idea off the top of my head.
Umm, I don’t recall any of that stuff being in the bwe’s. Are you sure this isn’t guild wars 1 stuff that you are looking up? I have not played guild wars 1 but that would be my guess.
Dear Hellz wind Staff Man,
The failsafe and stop, that was put in to help you was the item/recipe is listed as soulbound. If the item/recipe/thing is soulbound then it is bound to that character only. If it is accountbound then it is available for ALL your characters.
I have not heard of any sort of majority of people making this same mistake. If it is only among a small percentage of the player base I don’t think it is even worth their time to respond to something like this. Linsey already has however.
Anyhow just make sure and re-read recipes and items before thinking they are all accountbound.
I think Enerjak a while back mentioned he gets close to the 2000 bracket with consumables and such. He also said he has heard of some necros getting 2000+ condi damage.
So I would suggest stacking some food buffs (veggie pizzas) and tuning crystals also into your mix.
Are you in a full group? Like Dibrom said, just toss up some marks + wells and you should be fine. If you are NOT in a group I highly suggest you find a random farm one or grab some guildmates. The more people you got with you = the more loot you will get.
About your gear, I recommend picking up a cheap set of magic find clothes from the TP.
nothing wrong with necromancer go lookup twitchtv.xelfer5 hes a amazing necro
There are things wrong with abilities/ bugs with the necromancer class. Saying nothing is wrong is basically telling the bunch of people who reported and confirmed all of the 50+ bugs we still have that they are completely wrong. Which I’m sure if they were Anet mods would remove the sticky about bugs at the top of the forum.
Wulfrim while I believe you are a above average Spvp/ Tpvp necro, I don’t think you are experienced in WvW as much as you are in other areas. Yes being a tankier and bunker necro works wonders in that arena point style match pvp. Outside of that , I cannot think of a time when being a tank necro is useful.
In pve dungeons? Not really everyone should be dodging and healing themselves. If you are in a dungeon where you need to be a tank necro , your team members are lazy.
Overall the necro class IS littered with bugs. Deathshroud IS a mechanic we are built around yet it does not compliment a lot of necro abilities ( conditionmancers in particular) . Yes while you may be having a great time and doing well, I would still like to see Anet devs work hard on this class and through fixing bugs and tweaking certain skills ( like the way BIP got tweaked) we can arrive eventually with a necro class that works well on ALL fronts. Not just bunkering down in spvp and tpvp.
TLDR: Im glad you are doing well, I still hope Anet puts a lot more work into necros however.
