Guild Wars 2

OP make 5 nerf threads a week, so tired of seeing them and his clueless tears, just cause his necro doesnt work for him, even though its as op as anything else, in the right hands.

In an utopian world, team queue + solo queue would be awesome, but it aint gonna happen in gw2, team queue will be like 15-40min que time, gg.

Next step you will cry for is the que times and then you will cry that you should combine team queue + solo queue, so we are right back to the same old bad system of before.

What i think they should do to make 5 man teams have a purpose, is make an in game tournament system, running tournaments a couple times a week, or every evening etc. with rewards being skins, gold, whatever pixel that wont cost anet a thing.

Going with the all should have a chance at the fun, they could have division there also and run tournaments inside theese divisions, so even nabs can play in and win a nab tournament etc.

This i think would also massively help the pvp scene in general, giving us lots of stuff to work on and watch on twitch etc.

*waaaa im too scared to play, cause i might loose some pixels" is all i read.

It does bring food for thought though, since you probably represent the general player with no balls, there are probably a lot of players out there that are just “keeping” their rating, cause pixels mean a lot to them, way more than fun….

Which means theese guys are actually the ones that kitten the ladder up, so you cant progress, cause the higher rated guys dont keep playing.

This happens in all MMR games though, especially the closer you get to season end.

Id much rather have this system than the old one still and so would my friends, theres not been more ppl on from my friends list, playing for as many hours as they are now, since before HoT.

Good stuff guys.

So if people really wanna fight against their dreaded stacked DH teams, they should learn their druids, engineers and Ele’s ?

2 of theese is support, why is it that druid is good against DH? is it because of the ranged power damage? do we have any other ranged power damage meta spec at all atm?

I know rev used to be their counter and them being played much less, is maybe one of the reasons guard presence is felt a lot more.

Also interesting that we havent found a counter for warrior yet, which is also prolly one of the reasons its working so well atm, maybe power rev was their counter too.

The forum is full of know it all’s, slinging stuff like bring the counter, or just counter this and that, why are they not in here teaching all of us about theese counters?

Come senpai’s teach us ! :P

Nice!

I heard ROM on stream, talking about druid and their counters.

He said druid was good against most things but it hates condi classes, he specificly mentions condi war and condi necro as the best counters, but he said any condi focused build should be good.

Druids apparently have a hard time countering a ton of conditions.

So, im thinking that a lot of the problems with class stacking, is due to people not wanting to switch classes or change their current loadout to complement the team, or counterbuild the enemy.

Im no expert at this and i know newer players, have absolutely no clue, so maybe we can bring some pointers here, as to what to pick against the enemy team and why?

I think it could be really informative for a lot of players.

Keep it constructive and dont deteriorate it into DH hate etc. please

If they remove it, it will start the sea of tears, from players that want their achi, you know its the same every time :P

Well for once theres lots of positive comments on the forum, normally theres only hate, so that alone speaks volumes for itself.

I came back to GW2 for this season and a lot of my friend list also came back for specificly this season, cause this season doesnt have the lame league system of before where you could get to the top no matter how bad you were.

I find it fun, most of my friends find it fun, theres lots of positive remarks on the forum, i think gw2 pvp has not been in a better spot for a long time, atleast since HoT was released.

Well on jeffs stream yesterday he proudly explained who all the alts were in the top 5.

I think 3 of them were his.

It might seem wrong, but they are not doing anything against the system, rather they want to show the holes in the system.

Maybe someone has link for the stream, i dont watch him normally and i dont think he streams often, so i dont have it.

Cynz.9437:

Rule nr.1 of soloq: assume all your teammates are potatoes and lose all fights.

It is not offense towards the players but it is mentality you should bring to soloq.

This, but i thought people already learned in their first mmo’s, that 95% of the people around you are complete carebears that dont know how to optimize their play, both pve, achievements and pvp, anything basicly.

It has been so in every multiplayer online game i ever played from everquest 1, quake 1 etc to what we have today.

Even if they are ok players, people just dont think alike most of the time, hence why voice is so good.

Maybe they could add a nice ingame voice system actually, it can be a blessing and a curse, but the games i played that had it, it was put to good use.

Gwaihir.1745:

Theres not enough players to support 5 man and solo ques even though its the best option.

What should happen is soloque remains without duo queing, and tourneys are added for full 5 man teams throughout the day. Say every third hour would encourage people to form a 5 man team and play together for greater bonuses on a win and they can continue as a team to vs the next matches winner.

Yes this.

I played another pvp game that had stuff like that, it was awesome with tournaments going every evening and in that game it wasnt only top divisions that had them, there was tournaments running in all brackets, but dunno if we could support such a feature.

For the players there was also tons of stuff to spectate/twitch, both top lvl or bronze tournaments, which could be really funny.

Rewards were simple things like gems, skins etc. wouldnt cost anet a penny.

Also it would give a natural way to progress into pro scene and it would deffinitely help create a scene in the first place…

You prolly remember class stacking in pro-league when they were playing to win?

It was removed cause it wasn’t entertaining to watch and the pros said themselves it wasn’t entertaining to play.

Why should it be more fun for everyone else?

Now im not against class stacking as general, but id like if the matchmaker tried harder not to make really terrible choices, such as 2x thief on one team and none on the other.

I think it could be great with no class stacking in league, but if it cant be done due to insane queue times, cause lol 50% guard population etc, then it is not something really terrible either.

Class stacking, even if it is hated upon right now, does provide a ton more options for teamcomps.

yeah remove them class dailies, it cant be hard to come up with some other dailies instead, if thats whats needed.

I think it only bring annoyance and people have complained about them for as long as i have played.

I like how you put it.

They deffinitely shouldnt be so black and white about it.

When they can see people mostly dont enjoy switching classes or class stacking, then work with that, instead of just crossng their arms and say no…

I especially like that you dont want it removed, just switched around so its mainly set up for the majority which dont want to switch and give the other the option to stack if they want.

Theese threads are hilarious ^^

The data is precise, the sample sizes suffient.

I think you hit the nail on the head.

Great work, Henry the reporter.

Show me a pvp game where you dont have blowout matches at all tiers of play, but especially at the lower brackets.

What youre asking for has not been done in any other pvp game, in games much larger than gw2 with much more people crying, how can you expect the gw2 team to do it?

I think its an awesome step that we got this and not the fake ranking system of before, even if its not perfect.

All the other games that have this system also has blowout matches as you call them, which ultimately is just that at that skill level both teams make a lot of mistakes, sometimes the mistakes that are made are so severe that it lead to blowout matches, even at top level.

Im sorry the gaming industry of the world, has not been able to create a better system to measure an individual players skill level in a team pvp game, but it is what we have.

Youre fluctuating up and down some 200 pts continiously, between a few ranks.

Sounds to me like you have found your average mmr, untill the skill level of you or your opponents change, then you will move up / down.

I get that youre frustrated that youre not better than you thought you were and its hard to see when your eyes are full of tears, but please, its a pretty simple system used in many games.

So many are getting the hammer to face and seeing how bad they really are, the tears and diniability are great.

Youre stuck in bronze/silver cause youre bad/average, you have always been bad/average, if you played for 4 years and youre still stuck in bronze.

Try think how much you have dragged your friends/teammates down the last years or think about how unworthy your seasons of legend ranks has been.

Think about how much you have been carried, which you cant figure out how to do.

At least with this system, you will be kept with likewise players and not plague the top of the ladder, like in previous seasons. (old legend rank, luls…..)

gg.

You say it yourself, youre an average and midrange player.

So youre in silver, thats average / midrange mmr.

Stop crying over your team mates, they are like you.

If you cant carry in silver, you are where you belong, till you improve.

youre just repeating yourself, so many already told you what to do and that youre just bad/average and you need to improve, if you want to move up.

Your team mates are also average players that want to improve and move up, but sadly you will all make mistakes and bad choices, same for your opponents.

So when you learn and improve so you make less mistakes and less bad choices, you will move up.

You might think you make the right choices now, but if youre stuck it seems it aint so and you have stuff to learn.

Someone didnt play wow arena’s, lol, dota, smite, most pvp games or anything else ELO/MMR related it seems…

They even explain it with big letters and to the extreme in this post and answer your ignorant rants, but youre still blissfully ignoring the logical answers.

Great read on the original post btw, i hope a lot of people check this out.

It means, that they queued together.

They should just have made it solo queue only or maybe have a solo queue and a 5 man queue, but id rather they just have kept it solo.

As it is now, they wont change a thing, ppl will just complain about duos against them instead of 5 man premades.

If it had been solo only, they could have seen what it would be like without premades influencing the outcome.

I dont know what they are talking about with bronze hell etc either, sure you can get unlucky but in general, if youre above the skill level of your current division, you will slaughter your opponents like they cant play.

Qualifiers put me in top bronze, which was quite hilarious, i slaughtered so many people through bronze, silver, straight into gold, like they couldnt play. (that was in a day and on thief luls)

People complaining about being stuck in bronze hell are seriously just like the baddies i slaughtered, they are just too stuck up to admit it to themselves.

I think this is exactly the reason we havent had a system like this before, ANET knew from statistics how many would be at rock bottom and the tears it would bring, but people have asked for it, so now its here and you can finally see how much you suck.

gg merry christmas.!

I dont see the fault in the system, to me it seems like its supposed to be, if youre better than the division youre in, you will stomp and play with your opponents like they are kids and move up.

If you are not toying with your opponents, you are where you belong untill you get better, quitting and insisting its the systems fault certainly wont improve that.

It would be so awesome if we could have crier NPC’s yelling about upcomming tournaments.

For instance for worlds, have the crier npc’s in hearts of the mists and in the major cities, hyping the event, with banners and witty dialogue, so it seems to be a part of Tyria, this might also connect a bit with the people that dont play pvp.

Make it like a seasonal pve event, since worlds and seasonal championships, come up all the time.

Its sad when a lot of your pvp’ers, dont even realize world championship is on, especially when you have all theese options to catch peoples attention.

Another thing i dont understand, why they havent put in the game, is an integrated tournament interface, that automatically runs tournaments every weekend, for all divisions.

So a newbie tournament for amber. one for emerald etc. and all the way to legend / pro league. with increasing rewards.

Im thinking rewards like gems, gold, Black lion weapon skins etc. nothing that will cost anet anything.

I played another pvp game that had this and it was massively popular, there was a carrot to be had and there was a clear path of progression to get into better tournaments, which is something i think we lack.

It was also sometimes quite hilarious to watch tournaments from lower divisions, some crazy plays, since both teams are bad

Kuya.6495:

Urejt.5648:

it was very good els. one of the best. Interesting that meta went into train weakest enemy (necro), instead of 3 point duels. Is it because mesmer and druid have too much mobility?

Probably due to the removal of bunker amulets. It’s no longer feasible at higher play to bunk points, so it’s all about the kills now.

Its different for sure, but i kinda like that kills mean more in pvp, instead of just bunkering points, which they still play around, so it was nice balance imo.

It was a lot of action and long games, some of which were very close.

It also may bring diversity, some teams might try the bunker strats while others go for kills, instead of everyone being one composition, with slight tweaks.

Maybe toker were even trying to make a point on how bad thieves are atm, in a way that devs can see it, top thieves getting slaughtered and being a non-factor at worlds.

Opponents comments after match were basicly “we didnt care about him, we just continued our off point kill game, 5v4 luls”

Go watch worlds, it was exactly what thief was….useless.

Toker had one good match, but that was more due to his team snowballing than him doing decaps.

When vermillion can stand and say they didnt really care about him afterwards, he must have been quite useless and it was sad to watch.

What does DH have to do with my post or with meta?

So its a l2p issue?

Worlds best thieves cant seem to l2p it…..something seems wrong?

Dont worry thief is balanced around the pro top 1% of players, just look at how well it performed at worlds…lol….

it was exactly like a thief in spvp, useless, getting insta gibbed, couldnt join any fights.

The opponents said themselves in interview after, they didnt really care about him, they just played their off point kill game.

So best thieves getting slaughtered and being useless, is what the balance is supposed to be, no wonder lesser players have trouble playing thieves.

Also luls at the eles crying, there were so many eles at worlds, carrying their teams with support, and this is after the nerfs, please wake up.

God i still hope they are changing this back.

How on earth it got through their balance team and they decide to do this change is baffling, but then again they have done so many kittened changes over the years.

Can you please just acknowledge the fail in this and change it back, its stupid that you get paid for setting up the huge combo and initiative cost with a cc on yourself, cause of some laggy / buggy content, both pve and pvp.

please fix, this certainly doesnt feel like fun, fluid or engaging gameplay.

For running around open world pve, i prefer d/p.

Shadowshot is good for killing mob after mob, headshot good for breaking bars, blind field is imba against most enemies, give 9+ secs stealth anywhere and synergizes so well with bounding dodger.

You can do some backstabs and its good vs some mobs, but most mobs die super fast to autoattacks if serker.

Invigorating precision makes open world stuff so much easier, i run it most of the time, still instant gibbing most things.

I normally just run channeled vigor, the three signets and impact strike + shortbow or dual pistol in 2nd set (bow for general use mobility, bit of ranged and aoe – dual pistol are much greater dps against bosses / single targets etc, if you need to stay on range in a fight)

If you really want to slot a stun breaker, shadowstep instead of movement or power signet wouldnt be bad.

If you can get theese and have the gems, do it!

Many times i have said to myself “i am so glad i bought theese”

When you really grind out stuff in the game, you salvage thousands and thousands of times….this is easily one of the best if not the best buy you can make from the shop if you play a lot and its kinda the same with having 1 of each gathering tool, though they are not as good a quality of life upgrade as the salva-to-matics.

i have both the silver and the copper one, using the silver for rare+ items and the copper one for greens, but thats justcause i love them so much, i had only the silver one for a long time and it was fine

+1 OP’s idea so much.

Ever since wing’s were introduced, i have hated the sight of winged Charrs.

It destroys any kind of immersion i have, when ever one of theese silly looking characters run by and they are like….everywhere

Jinx.4619:

As a Thieves we are a jack of no trade
We don’t do much damage
We can’t survive the burst cause of low health
Necro can do much condition than Thief does
Stealth mechanic should be only for us but now Dragon hunter has it
Mesmer can rip lots of boons by 3rd aa sword while we can do in every 20 sec
We should br fury master on Crits triat line but Rev got 40% crits chance and can be stack up to 40 sec in few second and free access to haste buff in every 10 sec for 6-7 sec
We have thieves guild but ranger pet can tuant in 15 sec while thieves guild cd 180 sec
We suck at supporting group
We have no real range weapons
Obviously we can’t tank we can do is spam evades
We dont have access to invulnerability, protection but other medium armor has it

On the bright side ! We have 3 dodge bar lol

this so much.

I thought expansion time was supposed to be fun times and not frustrating, consider quitting the game, type of times

alchemyst.2165:

Vykoz.7803:

So expansion will bring a specialization with less dps than what we currently have, aka it wont be used in pve.

One of the best spvp +1 players in the world, think he can “maybe” make it viable in spvp (toker stream) and he is not even using the staff(cause it blows), so yeah it will most likely not be near dagger / pistol + SA and i bet after live and some more testing, it will be viewed as good as sword + dagger currently is, aka wont be viable in spvp.

so why again are we getting this useless specialization?

what an awesome expansion, you guys are so in tune with the players and hit the nail on the head, by bringing the players exactly what they needed/ wanted for the +1 class, just read all the joyfull and cheering comments from my fellow +1’s

Less damage isn’t necessarily true, you can still rack up quite a lot. But I’m not a PVE person, so I wouldn’t know how well it works in PVE.

And Toker stated that he could definitely see S/D Daredevil viable. Have you tried S/D Daredevil? It’s definitely on par with D/P.

The point of this specialization is to become a more sustainable thief with more CC and lockdown. It definitely accomplishes that. Staff needs a bit more but it’s not terrible.

Toker thinks its maybe viable… as i said…he didnt practice it with team or in leagues yet, but he thinks maybe it is and even then, that is definitely not with using staff..My guess is it wont be when they finally get down to it,. but lets say it is.

So we get expansion that brings “maybe” a viable pvp spec, that aint even using the weapon we get in expansion. whooptidoo!!

PvE ppl tested and it did less damage than dagger/dagger(thank god), my guess is it wont be used in meta pve at all, unless some gimicky fight.

Kinda disgusting when you look at what other classes get.

So really it is a pointless and useless specialization as it is now.

So expansion will bring a specialization with less dps than what we currently have, aka it wont be used in pve.

One of the best spvp +1 players in the world, think he can “maybe” make it viable in spvp (toker stream) and he is not even using the staff(cause it blows), so yeah it will most likely not be near dagger / pistol + SA and i bet after live and some more testing, it will be viewed as good as sword + dagger currently is, aka wont be viable in spvp.

so why again are we getting this useless specialization?

what an awesome expansion, you guys are so in tune with the players and hit the nail on the head, by bringing the players exactly what they needed/ wanted for the +1 class, just read all the joyfull and cheering comments from my fellow +1’s

Absolutely horrendous event…

Bottlenecked so you cant just grind it out when you have time.

No loot, makes it boring really really fast, guess some like karma / exp too and i dont see why not, is it so terrible a thought that we might actually earn a bit of gold while doing this mind numbing event?

Event promotes tagging / leeching, which is against all thoughts of group play.

Forced to wait to get reward, even if you just wanted 5 blooms + your daily.

People with families / jobs and little time have no chance at getting what they want.

Feels like an absolute grind, even for people that do have the time.

Youre screwed if you DC and you cant just get back in and grind it, cause of the bottlenecked setup….

It is disturbing, to say the least, how this got past your quality assurance team or how your dev’s thought this was fun??

I really hope that we wont see stuff like this in the expansion but i’m scared that you have released this and that this might be your intended way to play the game…

Highness.9061:

Vykoz.7803:

AdaephonDelat.3890:

Vykoz.7803:

Jehuty.1938:

No Vykoz it’s just your guild of oversensitive players. A lot of people play right now. Just did a little dungeon tour and found people to play with very easily.

You’re just waisting your time complaining over and over again.

Get over it or just gtfo and do something else that you won’t find offensive.

Thanks

megaservers lets you happy people find each other so you can run dungeons hands in hands.

The megaserver algorithm doesn’t know how to separate “Happy” players from “Non-happy” players. Unless you’re suggesting A-Net has created Skynet and it’s become self aware. Which honestly is a little more worrying than an April Fools thing….

no it cant, but the unhappy players are not playing or a lot of them arent, so you have a good time in game and it feels like everyone is loving it for you, enjoy, while the rest of us suffer.

Dude I still don’t understand HOW ARE YOU SUFFERING ? You are chilling in gw2 forums replying to threads that’s not suffering , just enjoy your time man and forget about it .

the game is unplayable for me in the current state, i cant stand the way the character is.

that is suffering the effects of an imo kittened aprils fools joke, a lot of people agree with this and aint playing. i cant see how this is hard to comprehend or undestand?

besides the point that i found it completely distasteful, when i made connection to jesus christ and the planecrash within 1 minute of looking at it.

AdaephonDelat.3890:

Vykoz.7803:

Jehuty.1938:

No Vykoz it’s just your guild of oversensitive players. A lot of people play right now. Just did a little dungeon tour and found people to play with very easily.

You’re just waisting your time complaining over and over again.

Get over it or just gtfo and do something else that you won’t find offensive.

Thanks

megaservers lets you happy people find each other so you can run dungeons hands in hands.

The megaserver algorithm doesn’t know how to separate “Happy” players from “Non-happy” players. Unless you’re suggesting A-Net has created Skynet and it’s become self aware. Which honestly is a little more worrying than an April Fools thing….

no it cant, but the unhappy players are not playing or a lot of them arent, so you have a good time in game and it feels like everyone is loving it for you, enjoy, while the rest of us suffer.

Jehuty.1938:

No Vykoz it’s just your guild of oversensitive players. A lot of people play right now. Just did a little dungeon tour and found people to play with very easily.

You’re just waisting your time complaining over and over again.

Get over it or just gtfo and do something else that you won’t find offensive.

Thanks

megaservers lets you happy people find each other so you can run dungeons hands in hands.

but some players dont play to get sad, and some players did get sad over this even if you didnt.

Some players also dont like to participate in this kind of stuff, for tons of reasons and this makes theese players not play.

You dont feel it in game, since theres mega servers lobbing all the happy people together, but a lot of friends lists are empty and a lot of guilds have no people online, with people refusing to play till tomorrow.

Great joke, forum filled with rage. hatred, talks of deaths and dissasters and people annoyed so much they dont want to play.

Enjoy it, really!

be glad theres mega servers that put you together with the other happy people.

my guilds are empty, my friends are not going online till tomorrow, same for their friends and same for a lot of other people.

yeah you guys are so funny and trying hard to come with comparison with content that are in game and real life dissasters, its really making people having an even better day, thinking of more disasters and death.

what a great joke their event turned out to be, their forum filled with hate and talks of deaths and a lot of people not playing.

If you cant understand that this in fact triggered sad thoughts in a lot of players and annoyed the hell out of other people that dont share this kind of humor, i have no hope for you.

but they consider a plane crash a major disaster, which is what i wrote.

and ofc they are not in tears over it, but a lot of european countries are.

Olvendred.3027:

Vykoz.7803:

i dont make the headlines, i find us gun killings apaling, but its a kittened up world where this doesnt make head lines.

Only really major disasters do, like this airplane crash.

how can you not see the difference?

I don’t see a difference. Human lives are human lives, no matter how widely they’re reported.

It seems that you are the one lacking in empathy, since you’re only feel it when the media tells you to.

“i find us gun killings apaling,”

reading comprehension much.

Err i think, a lot of the worlds population / countries think another way than you then, if you dont consider this a major disaster.

Have a great day, while we others are sad.

i dont make the headlines, i find us gun killings apaling, but its a kittened up world where this doesnt make head lines.

Only really major disasters do, like this airplane crash.

how can you not see the difference?