Guild Wars 2

Hi guys,

Just wanted to point out that Earth Attunement with the Master Trait, Rock Solid (VIII), doesn’t reflect that it gives stability on the tooltip!

And a quick personal opinion.

I feel focus need some buffs right now. Make it more of a good option vs off hand dagger.

Also i do feel offhand dagger and D/D should get a tweak/buff in they’re major attack areas. We all know how much skill vs reward there has to do with on-point rotations.

Fire grab needs a fix on its hit box. Dagger Air #2 (Lightning Touch) reponds better to turn/aiming then fire grab does, although they’re essentially the same style of attack.

Churning Earth needs to be rounded down to a 3.0 cast. I would also argue the same for Meteor Shower.

This is just a personal opinion of someone who has played this classes for 1500hrs+

Great job on staff tho!

-Tz

saiyr.3071:

don’t worry wvw population is ever increasing! ! !

I lol’d.

It’s a down time but we’ll still be around.

Incurafy.6329:

KillingFrenzy.7315:

exactly lets hear it from a dev and not a thief

Honestly, with your kittenty attitude I hope that no dev responds to you and this thread dies a horrible death (and devs don’t reply to threads in the thief forum anyway).

It’s not a bug, it has been like that since beta, it’s an intended aspect of stealth and unless they decide to change it to reward more counterplay it’s never going to change.

Calling it a bug and then acting like all Thieves are going to cry that it should stay despite already being told that I agree with you that it should be changed is just plain stupid.

Whether its a bug or not. Its a crutch.

Stealth is a powerful tool. Attacking from it, not realizing what your attacking, isnt an excuse to suddenly give you back stealth should the attack fail.

I use cooldowns on invul people all day long and i dont see them reseting. Why should stealth?

Stealth breaks when you “Land a Hit”

Hitting an enemy with invul, block, or aegis should reveal you.

You have made the decision to attack and you must recognize the elements that are in play.

If you do not recognize and realize you are hitting with blind, or against aegis, or invul, you should be be punished. It was your own fault for not realizing it anyways.

Its a crutch for players who refuse to learn look at their own conditions or the enemys effects.

DeWolfe.2174:

No, it’s not a violation. If in the real world, several people asked you not to start a fight and you did anyway, what would happen?

It’s incredibly inconsiderate to not have just moved along.

Its a game. Its a red tag. Its his right.

Stop being taking this to such a self-righteous degree. Its a video game. Get over it.

tas.6310:

I can confirm that, in fact, his numbers are accurate. There were only 10-12 of them. They pack quite a punch though… and as a result it doesn’t surprise me that it FELT like 20-30 hitting you.

P.S. GF, I enjoyed fighting you… I see that your group tactics are improving.

Thank you. Its been a pleasure to fight with you as well. If anything, i think most of BP has been doing most of the improving. I noticed last night several groups of bp acting unusually synchronized, its great to see imo.

We’re really happy to see some healthy competition. I finally have a good reason to push my teams faces back into the grindstone and chew em out a little harder…

See you on the battlefield…

Birdo.1768:

P.s what happen to the ECHO tag? I don’t see them anymore

We’re around

tas.6310:

Sekz wasn’t with you originally… they were with NSP and before that they were with another server… just a heads up. GF, sounds like you’ve gotten some mad props here – I’d like to run into you a few more times once in a while and see how we fare. We usually run with 18-20 (unless it’s a good night like last night). Do you bring similar numbers?

Being on the server since the beginning helps, but that shouldnt undermine the fact that ever since they have been on the server, they cooperated, communicated, and helped out other guilds (and vise versa) through means of using our teamspeak and forums. Ehmry Bay was known as the place to leave before, having guilds dip left and right. Excuse us if tend to value those who choose to come and stay, and not to be taken that we ignore the fact that [GH], [FTF], [pk] and others have been here Since Beta and are proud loyalists.

As far as our numbers. We run 5-15. But we’ll fight anything! And im really glad to see a group who’d be willing! What time is your teams prime? You can feel free to msg me whenever. We could set it up south of windmill or i could just give you the map we’re on and we can hunt each other down :P

Wow thanks guys for all the shout outs!

We dont claim invincibility or that [GF] holds any offical title as the best. I’ve seen other competent small groups among your servers that are a joy to fight, as much as Archer tends to make it seem the opposite lol

Trust me when i say we have our share of wipes, we’re just always trying to readjust our strat, angle, and timing. Consistently time and time again, rezzing up, re-rallying, and throwing ourselves into the fire again. Practicing our AoE Placements, Combo Field Utilization/Timing, and Blast Finisher efficency.

@Straegen.2938 – Usually earlier in EST time zone or lateeee PST. In between that im usually on and leading. But if your ever looking for duels, we’d be happy to oblige. And we dont change builds or run dueling specs either.

We figure dueling and pre-set team battles make for good practice. Zerg busting improves our team support and duels/spvp improve our individual skill.

And while we are actively trying and looking to improve, develop, and train our core group into a well-oiled machine. We’re nothing too special of right now, and certainly not the champions of Ehmry Bay compared to the other guilds that do consistent work on the server. [FTF] / [GH] / [pk] / [CoS] / [Sekz] / [PUNK] / [Imtl] and alot of others (sry for not getting em all) that have been here since the beginning deserve that credit haha.

DoMPaladin.6740:

[GF] – same people who ran to the invulnerable spot on the hill behind BlueLake.

Nice exploiting – you were reported to Anet.

No respect for exploiters.

Im pretty sure they removed those? Whats got you so sore hmm?

what do you mean?

staff has plenty of channeled abilities.

everything from Fire – #1, #2, #3, and #5. Water – #2 through #5, and most of the earth skills as well.

Lightning is the attunment with the overall fastest casted abilities.

Unless i am mistaken thinking something that requires a casting bar is a channeled ability?

is an ability only “channeled” if u are immobilzed while using it?

Hey guys.

Anyone ever used the “I” trait in earth for toughness on channeled abilities?

Thinking of a condi/staff zerg bust build and im deciding between putting 20 in earth or go the norm 10/30/30.

ofc im picking up earths embrance, but the staff ele only has 1 aura (magnetic aura) and that doesnt justify using elemental shielding enough for me. So obsidion focus is the next logical choice.

Love some feed back, thanks guys.

Strippling.3524:

I’ve fought a lot of Blood Pact [BP] and if I remember correctly they used to be on Ebay, is that correct?

Anyways enjoy the rest of your week in wvw.

p.s [GF], [Sekz], [GH], [FTF] and [pk] are extremely impressive guilds in their own ways and if you guys had 1 or 2 more large wvw guilds you would easily be one of the best NA timezone servers because you already have some of the best guilds I have played against. No joke, fighting you guys was stressful because I new you have a lot of skill. Yaks Bend has grown a lot in t3, massive zerg wars but we have grown a lot in numbers along with skill which has been good for us

[BP] came and left so fast. They’re just fairweathers. Not true Ebay.

Fun fights before with yaks, hope to see more in the future

Kardiamond.6952:

Heeeeeeey there,

Really nice fight in BP BL yesterday. Our group got zerged to death so many time, we thought it would be a zergfest all night long.

Good thing GF/ some Ebay/GH came by to have some fun at the south west camp we were defending.

We first fought you 3on3 as center south camp, I thought we were dead for sure, then we wiped your 3 man group, but I think they were not at 100% because you guys are usually strong at teamwork and this time you came in one after the other without timing.

Then the real group came, you were what? between 7 and 10? I have many screen shot, but sadly they are all home and I’m not home right now.

the 3 way fight at the camp were awesome. We were first trying to hold it again BP, who had a freaking big zerg ( I actually have a nice screen shot of the zerg hiding from us in a tower, before realise they had like 3 time our number). We fought the first wave, we were surviving then the second part of the zerg (they were what? 20-25 again 5) where way too much.

Then GF came him, and the war began. You used the top entrance with Shadow Refuge to attack us. We are pretty much outmatched when it’s a straight forward fight like that. We are like 5 solo roamers that got togheter, we don’t have any synergy, only 3 of us are on VoIP and we use non-group optimal build (except that crazy Elem DD).

You wiped us a good amount of time, while still putting a good fight I think. We wiped you once with the help of ballista and arrow cart. Hey we have to make it fair huh!

Another good freaking fight at North-East camp. We saw your group stacking (Man stop doing that, you aren’t a zerg! :P) near the bridge near the camp. Our Elem DD just charged in like he always does and we were all like : “cooome on man” because each time we follow him and we found ourself outnumbered again a premade group.

That what happened again, at first we were surprised it went pretty well, then you guys started to rez each other using shadow refuge and such, and we got outgunned. Really cool fight tho!

Tell your hammer warrior to stop focusing on me kitten (char necro) :P

P.S : We got stomped more then anything yesterday, just writing this so people that participate could relate to it, and don’t hesitate to write what happened from your point of view!

Hey man! Thanks for the shout out!

If your ever down for a fight, feel free to hit us up!

I wasnt there but im sure my guildies we’re happy to find some other avid roamers

Sage.5843:

Wizardauz.3761:

1V1 ME BRO!

P.s. – i missss uuuuu

Charrcat misses Echo and Emmys and enemy friends of past, please come back.

Charrcat been therapy lately because attempt detox WuvW cat treat addiction. (Not really work but try anyway.) Doctor recommend Charrcat try new hobby like art pictures. Charrcat draw picture to express feeling, you are Charrcat BEF, BEST ENEMYS FOREVER.

Charrcat embarrassed to show, try get better at art Crayola picture. Don’t show to IOJ, they already mad at Charrcat from Charrcat kill many IOJ family.

Best picture evar.

Soon cant come soon enough for our next fight! I fear we may be getting rusty against these AR and BP tho, no challenge except by extrodinary numbers

Dynnen.6405:

No, there were 6 of you and you controlled bay. The second fight was just north of the sentry thats north of champs camp…for kitten sake if you don’t remember the fight thats fine. But quit making kitten up, its just obnoxious.

1V1 ME BRO!

P.s. – i missss uuuuu

Makes me a sad panda It wouldnt be a fight club.

More like a GvG.

Sound good??

I’ll even tell you where i’ll be! You can come hunt me down and kill me!

Pedra.4381:

Tetra Bug.7134:

I mean you guys are good but i feel like you may have trouble finding hats that fit, know what I mean?

Have we wiped to GF with equal numbers? If we have, we have; I just don’t remember it.

Finally! A challenge! Would you care to fight us?

We’d love a nice 2v2, 3v3, 4v4, 5v5, 10v10. Hell we’ll even take you with the odds in your favor if you’d like!

Can i message you in game to set one up? And who are you representing?

Straegen.2938:

Wizardauz.3761:

Except. BP doesnt have roamers, small groups, atleast not dedicated ones actually trying to improve. They rinse/repeat the same tactics expecting different results. Even the WAR guild i had heard so much about before, i’ve only seen them get a group together once and run, and i wasnt even able to fight them. I heard about it (good things too) but was disappointed to see that every other WAR i would find would be neck deep in a 40man, almost undistinguished from all the other guilds.

Our small 5 man guild runs a 3 man group most of the time. The only time we group up is usually on reset night when nobody can find ebay running in less than 10+. Last night I solo flipped rogues and golanta multiple times. I spent most of the evening sitting in various ebay camps killing any small groups that wandered in. I did join the group to take SM but afterwards I went back to solo hunting.

I did run across a 5 man AR group that was pretty stellar. I kept charging in and getting killed but that was to work on my group management skills.

Atleast theres 1.

First…

Tetra – No one (atleast i didnt) call you specifically bad. Dont take it personally bud. If you actually read my message, instead of skimming through for whatever you thought was big enough to ride a pity post on, you’d know that i was talking about your server mentality. Which is often best described through your PuGs, small groups, zergs, and roamers….

Except. BP doesnt have roamers, small groups, atleast not dedicated ones actually trying to improve. They rinse/repeat the same tactics expecting different results. Even the WAR guild i had heard so much about before, i’ve only seen them get a group together once and run, and i wasnt even able to fight them. I heard about it (good things too) but was disappointed to see that every other WAR i would find would be neck deep in a 40man, almost undistinguished from all the other guilds.

Now im not knocking WARs skill. They arent bad by any means. But thats the only time i’ve seen them put to use what they can offer.

As far as AR, im more impressed with, they’ve got a lot of singly skillful fighters. But still are suffering this same problem.

Every day im going into AR BL and BP BL and EB sometimes (although we’re mostly Borderlanders) only to be disappointed with a deserted map only to find every enemy on the map in 1 location.

And no it wasnt just GF, what i ment by “We’re the sole reason”. As in Ehrmy Bay. We’ve got killer-types and capper-types. Awesome Guilds like FTF, GH, and pk have been here since the beginning and have been the major contributing factor behind this whole servers rise from T7 and help establish our “PPT Balance”. Others like GF, just kill people, zergs, or whatever we can hope to handle really. Some amazing people, like Sekz, manage to do both.

Its those kinds people that scared your servers into hugging each other for dear life.

Take it like a jab, take it like a taunt if you want. But honestly this a fact as to why you’ve been trying the same tactics over and over each week to no avail or reward.

If zerging doesnt work. Maybe its time to try something different.

and second…

Fraeg – pic attached

Kalkz.5297:

Wizardauz.3761:

Kalkz.5297:

Archer.1658:

AR and BP are so boring.. i’ve been PvEing all week. I feel ashamed.

Dont worry, take a break, dont burn yourself in wvw or just even dont play wvw now, Once you move up a tier Maguuma people are going to say the same thing about you

But i’d much rather be stomped in PPT score by Mag, by a server that actually fights, then a server whos told that the most effective way to win is to play when no one else is on.

You saying Maguuma wont cap Your stuff at night ? I have been in Maguuma and in a sick guild called ( WaR ) We used to Cap all of our enemy BL at night, Please when you move up a tier dont Cry about that, LEARN how to deal with it, because maguuma wont leave you untouched at night teach your commanders how to leave eternal and watch your BL at night, no offence, just giving you an advice

(But i’d much rather be stomped in PPT score by Mag, by a server that actually fights, then a server whos told that the most effective way to win is to play when no one else is on.)

It doesn’t seem you guys were there when I and Varlen ( WFD ) fought PK and Sekz with PUGS together in BP BL (yesterday), Shout out for the Charr PK commander, you’re really good at hiding your zerg and jumping here and there

I never said Maguuma wouldnt cap our stuff at night if they wanted too. Lol in fact im pretty sure i said it was almost a given that we’d lose… but i still enjoy it more then winning here.

here let me make it easy to understand

I cant wait to fight an opponent whos first thought at an even fight isnt to “run to nearest gate/wall and hide.”

Atleast on maguuma, through out their zerg balls, you’ll still see guilds dedicated to coordinated efforts and capping keeps, and killing enemies and doing with without obvious advantages in numbers.

Makes for a…. Good Fight, ya kno

Straegen.2938:

Wizardauz.3761:

Rangers are severely underestimated. Most people dont even know that a ranger Healing Spring Water Field last twice as long as the Staff Elementalists Healing Rain (Staff Water #5) and has just about the same cool down to it as well. Which makes for more time for allies to rally up inside the water field as well as increasing the number of individual blast finishers possible.

I’ll take my ranger over a staff elementalist any day of the week. (Although Staff Elemenatlist have a more natural affinity to group combat and zerg v zerg due to multiple AoEs)

While pets are often limiting in zerg v zerg. All it takes is a smart ranger who doesnt always fight with his pet. He might keep it on passive, use it for defensive CCs when enemies break rank and close in. Send it out on a weak target running out of the zerg ball.

But their immobilzes, condi dmg support, ranged CC advantage, as well as their pressure on the battle field is not something to be ignored.

I have an 80 Ranger and have racked up well over 5k kills with various builds. They are not under estimated. They are the weakest, least scary class in WvW. At no point do I walk up to ranger 1v1 and lose… just doesn’t happen. They cannot bunker well, they can be glassy for little cannon, very few AoE skills, most ranged attacks require targeting so stealth stops them cold, vines is on a HUGE cool down and has a terrible/obvious wind up, their best heal essentially roots them, not much condition removal, cannot escape well, they walk around with portable thief stealth devices and they just got a good stun breaker but it leaves them without a heal for a few seconds. Even worse the quickness debuf really hit power rangers hard.

They are good bag droppers in groups and never follow one into the water but otherwise my thief (80), elementalist (80) and warrior (80) are better in virtually every way including superior LB (warrior), SB (thief), sword and dagger attacks… heck a warrior can even use a rifle over a “Range-r”.

Lol just havent faced off against a good ranger yet.

But yes you are right in certain ways. Namely the lack of a viable stun-break, as opposed to other classes. As well as with the quickness nerf.

Faux Sheaux.6179 said it well with the whole zerker ranger thing. Most rangers are carebears, and even less understand where they can and cannot be an advantage within a team fight. But the ones who spend a little time and effort into thinking about it, rather then just rerolling a more simple class, can be quite effective. Juding and passing off a bias on a class for the simple fact of hearsay from whiners who didnt have their whole class explained and handed to them on silver platter is a horrible way to aquire information. I would suggest you test and find out for yourself.

If you’d like i’d be happy to introduce you to our rangers, you can duel em and fight em for yourself and see what you think. They never turn down a fight.

Archer.1658:

Kardiamond.6952:

Well used to be average, mostly because people only auto attacked.

But once they learned to use trap, or that they could build a bunker and still have descend damage (BM build) with like 5-6 dodge in a row, they became strong.

I don’t see much Trap/Bunker Ranger in WvW, but in tPvP they are a pain.

95% of all rangers in WvW are utter crap. Rangers alone are amazing just because of the water field they provide, and entangle in addition to many other things.

Exactly this.

Rangers are severely underestimated. Most people dont even know that a ranger Healing Spring Water Field last twice as long as the Staff Elementalists Healing Rain (Staff Water #5) and has just about the same cool down to it as well. Which makes for more time for allies to rally up inside the water field as well as increasing the number of individual blast finishers possible.

I’ll take my ranger over a staff elementalist any day of the week. (Although Staff Elemenatlist have a more natural affinity to group combat and zerg v zerg due to multiple AoEs)

While pets are often limiting in zerg v zerg. All it takes is a smart ranger who doesnt always fight with his pet. He might keep it on passive, use it for defensive CCs when enemies break rank and close in. Send it out on a weak target running out of the zerg ball.

But their immobilzes, condi dmg support, ranged CC advantage, as well as their pressure on the battle field is not something to be ignored.

Kalkz.5297:

Archer.1658:

AR and BP are so boring.. i’ve been PvEing all week. I feel ashamed.

Dont worry, take a break, dont burn yourself in wvw or just even dont play wvw now, Once you move up a tier Maguuma people are going to say the same thing about you

Actually we’re quite looking forward to moving out of this match up and facing Yaks or Maguuma again. Especially Maguuma.

Mag has always been a close rival server to Ehmry Bay, more so in the past then now, transfers and fairweather caused our paths to part.

But i’d much rather be stomped in PPT score by Mag, by a server that actually fights, then a server whos told that the most effective way to win is to play when no one else is on.

Sometimes when i have a group of 5-10 i feel like we’re the sole reason as to why you guys dont group up in anything less then 30 people and only attack with confidence either behind a wall or when the advantage is in your favor. Get out of your element, be the underdog, fight. Even with your 30+ groups i’ll still bomb you or die. Maguumas very similar.

They actually fight, they zerg with less then their entire team on the map in one ball and actually have strategies that we find interesting to fight against. Its no secret that we’ll be outnumbered, its no secret we’ll be outgunned. We’ll probably get shot down again.

But we’ll have the best time doing it, consistently rezzing, grouping up, and running back there into the fight.

2 different aspects of fighting for me

open world takes more general awareness, people aren’t always completely focused to the enemy in front of them as they are the whole battle around them, or like you said, staying aware of the random “Steamroll”

dueling allows me the chance to improve upon attack-chain timing, combo fluidity, proper aoe placement, proper dodge timing, as well as just a more “on-point” fight rather then just running someone over completely in 1v1s and 2v1s i have running around ruins.

I dont do dueling builds or 1v1 specs, none of the GF do, but we love testing our builds and improving against those kinds of players.

The only way you can get better is to fight a better opponent imo.

Kardiamond.6952:

Archer.1658:

AR and BP are so boring.. i’ve been PvEing all week. I feel ashamed.

Then stop roaming in 10 man groups and make 2-3 player group like a man.

Seriously tho, Before getting into this match up, I was looking forward to fight BP again and the new Ebay.

I thought Ebay had a lot of roamers, including GF, Sekz, PK and more.

But sadly it was all lie!!!

Sekz are a zerg. Each time I had the pleasure to fight them, it was like 20 vs 3. So I never got to fight them in small skirmish. I fought an Elementalist in BP low land once from Sekz, but I was running my confusion build so he died, as confusion is OP in WvW.

I thought Sekz had some roaming team? Where are they?

PK is another zerg. I have yet to fight them in a small group. Just yesterday, they actually stopped, stacked then charged 20 of there player just to kill me and a warrior. I doubt you needed to stack for that, or maybe we were just at the bad place at the wrong time.

And finally GF, the only guild that looks like a roaming team. But they are more of a Zerg buster team. They are too many for our small group, yet they aren’t a zerg ether. We had some fun fight with them, but I have to bring more people to be on equal footing. We actually helped WAR fight you guys yesterday and it was awesome.

This week is so zergy since the patch. Good thing st least we can see them without culling.

Get your small group squad out!

Hey man! Thanks for the shout out! We usually roam small mans in between 2-3 people (early morning sometimes) and with somtimes with as many as 15 people.

Our guilds very very small, and just really filled with a very tight-knit group of people who are dedicated to playing for hardcore coordinated pvp, fun-times and laughs, as well as to have a group of people who one can turn to for help and support in-game.

We dont usually like zerging, although i feel fat sometimes when im leading a 15man :O

But we dont hate on people who do, we understand. Hell we love enemy zergs, nowadays they’re getting humongous. I swear the average size is around 35+ lol but we still try and do some work anyways.

If anything i have to give it up to guilds like GH, Sekz, FTF, PUNK, CoS, Imtl, HIGH, and pk as well as many more that consistently field commanders, lead not only their own guilds, but pugs as well. They are the ones who do the honest real work for the server. And should be respected for it

But they still roam around too, they’re out there. And if your a fight club enthusiast, you’ll find plenty of friends within GF and around Ebay as well!

GF is just a small dedicated pvp team really. We train, run rotations, and drills, and try hard. But at the end of the day we’re just kill-crazy pvpers who love to have fun Sekz, GH, FTF and all them bring alot more to the server as a whole then we could ever hope too.

But If your ever looking for fights, feel free to msg me we do duels as well!

Archer.1658:

blah BP, AR, or something

jkctmc.8754:

blah no u

Archer.1658:

blah blah nooo uuu

jkctmc.8754:

blah blah blah nooo. u

Archer.1658:

blah blah blah rawr

~Tickle Fight Ensues

Nuzt.7894:

interception blah

Archer.1658:

counter blah

jkctmc.8754:

2v1 blaaaah

Archer.1658:

last stand blah!

Dr Acula.3496:

voice of reason blah

i always have something amazing to wake up too.

Lifesteal…. The inanimate object…

Makes perfect sense.

Its a race to take a picture of the biggest zergs.

Merkenary.9860:

To the GF guys who were all ghostie last night you are scary enough without being ghosts! My guildie was laughing when he saw that followed immediately by cussing when you burst on him. Hope you had fun at vale.

@Kardiamond it’s about time you change your guild tag you’re never solo when I see you :p. Had fun with you and your team too.

Suprise. Its actually 1 Minion Master Necro the whole time! xP

lol but really, i wasnt able to get on as much last night, but i heard about all the fun you’ll be seeing us run around tonight having fun. Good Fights!

This game is too…. weak sometimes. Catering to PvErs and Gem Store Junkies while convincing the population that they’re focusing on pvp in this game.

No accomplishment for doing the objectives, nothing significant atleast

“Oh wow, XP”
“Oh wow, Karma”
“Oh wow, some token i must collect in ridiculous amounts to use it on anything”
“Oh wow, some titles i’ll have to play the game 8 years for”
“Oh wow, loot bags i cant loot because culling didnt show me the 30+ enemies in front of me before i decided to try and grab it”
“Oh wow, i died and they despawned before i got back”
“Oh wow, more stale week long pie-chart fights with no real changes”

Oh but everyone notice how good they are at coming out with new Gem Shop Items. I mean first the sales, now the backpacks, then the Flying Brooms! and now i can even lounge AFK in Lions Arch in style with my designer hoodie.

Srsly Anet, as someone who calls himself “Hardcore” your doing a complete disservice to us who will still ride these last few weeks holding out hope, while completely ignoring and throwing under the bus, the players who have been on the edge of quitting.

On top of that, we can only expect to hear a TEASER of news once every 2 WEEKS and thats actually pretty good if that. Not like anyone here hasn’t done the whole “Month made to wait patiently, only to be disappointed” thing before.

ArenaNet, if march doesnt go as you planned. As in whatever PTRs your currently testing your build on, doesnt function like you designed… What then as players? If something as simple as Culling isnt fixed, and which is basically the focus on this patch, forget about players not liking this, they straight up just wont trust you.

Gab Superstar.4059:

I don’t put much stake in a 4v6 for the same reason I don’t put much stake in 1v1’s. I play with a shortbow even in duels because it’s what fit my role in AD and our 10-15man groups. I have no intention of respeccing or buying new gear simply because they would be stronger when running solo or in small groups. If it so happens that I get wiped by a group who consistently run ~5man groups, props to them for doing a good job, but I personally couldn’t care less.

Granted, ECHO seems to be running a lot more 1v1-oriented builds, and your D/D eles / mesmers / thieves are slightly more suited for the job.

Theres stake in everything imo. Even if of no concern to anyone else, to me its a personal stake against myself.

1v1, 2v2, 3v3, 5v5, 10v10, or XvY (where X < Y ) are all aspects of the game that outcomes can be effected by such small reactions. Whether it be through pacing attacks, properly dodging burst dmg, proper pacing of condition removal or cooldown management. Its all skill based and can all be improved upon.

And for a group 4v6 to come out fairly unscathed fighting through most of that i feel watching it from the other angle, alot can be improved upon. I especially love videos on us from the enemy perspective because you can see the opportunities the enemy has to attack and how one deals with that attack.

As for 1v1s, Fight Clubs, and all that jazz. I really dont understand why people wouldnt want to do that more if your so interested in WvW. When PPT doesn’t give you anything but some pie-chart to brag about that represents how many npcs and doors you’ve killed. Nothing worthy anything in that aspect of the game imo. Not when this games tiers are dominated by night-capping and population differences.

As for what ECHO runs in terms of builds…. Whats a 1v1 build? I have no idea what people talk about when they say this. We all actively discuss and theorycraft our builds and positions on the field. Just because someone doesnt particularly run all the traits that say “give allies etc” doesnt mean he doesnt have a vital role in the group set up.

I guess you we’re refering to more “self-fish builds”. As to compare the Shout Warrior with a bulls rush, bolay, etc etc etc damage warrior. They have different field positions and uses. The bursty warrior excels and keeping the downed underpressure, especially if you get a couple downed grouped up in the same spot, a high dmg hundred blades could be all you need to make sure those 3 people are not coming back into the fight. Which they allows the team to advance and push the line beyond the focus-point, or the “bomb”.

I understand some builds to be more oriented for focus being on allies rather then yourself. But running 10 people that all do that, doesnt necessarily mean thats better then the people who run a mix, and doesnt actually count out the dps warriors from actually bring in “team support” with the dmg he can provide.

Heres a fun fact, we run our thieves (made the switch a week or so ago) in near full Clerics and Boon Duration gear, completely stealth builds. They run shortbow 90% of the time and are responsible for pick up team mates when downed immediately with SR cover.

While we usually run our elementalists with Dagger/Dagger to keep them up in front with the melee to provide constant boon support and refreshment. As well as having (well i do) runes of Altrusim on my armor and Ether Renewal to get the most AoE might/fury to allies, since ER has the fastest cooldown of all the heals.

Combined with my boon duration. Im giving out 10sec of protection… every 10 secs. Combine the D/D ele with a dps warrior, since the warrior has little access to protection and you’ve got yourself a wrecking ball right there.

It is the same group.

The asura engi switched to the char guardian and the human warrior switched to the human mesmer.

Still in the beginning, i only counted 4 Ehmry and 6 BP, a 4v6 shouldnt have given them all that much trouble. But they didnt seem to be going into it with much forethought against all the melee/CC/Boons/Stability.

In the 2:19min mark fight it was actually fairly even, its just they didnt coordinated a retreat. One pushed in all alone, while one was completely trapped by CC (why u no stability/invul) and then 3 more we’re just single streaming into the fight. No group up, no invis, more just balls to the wall zerg diving lol probably just trying to have some fun.

Personally, bravo You guys seem like tough customers for BP, dont see many that can put up a solid fight or even bring a strategy with them.

testpig.5018:

@video
-when playing a support role using staff/hammer, no point to switch weapons so much mid fight to staff.
-WAR was the ones out numbered by ECHO, just your people were dying so quickly, it would instantly turn into a 5v1 as the rest of your 6 dudes were dead somewhere.
-And ECHO, this video isn’t an attack on you, your crew just happen to be the people we steam rolled constantly last night, i’m thinking nearly 100% of the time we engaged each other with that melee train, you guys were pretty much dead.
-At the end of the recording we took out like 15-20 players that were beating down the door on our tower.

I wish i was there

I heard about it after finally getting off of the work day.

Do you run anytime closer towards 7pm PST?

Kardiamond.6952:

And for Echo, I hope you don’t always bring 10 players. It counts for a zerg for us.

I’ll be honest and say are average run size on most nights (at our primetime) is inbetween 8-13 ECHO, with a couple tag alongs too. Sometimes we run less, sometimes we run more. Depends on the day really.

So dont take it too personally if we should happen to outnumber you a few times, we wont run from a outnumbered losing battle, if you wont

But we’re always down to set something up, so if your ever wanting some duels or 2v2s, 3v3s, 5v5s, 10v10s. Just throw me a line and we’ll come running

But even though fresh blood is nice. DR is always a good fight and they have some good guilds on that server. Hopefully they stay >.<

Plok.6145:

Wizardauz.3761:

Plok.6145:

Is it called ECHO cause you repeat the same kitten that he said? Should be called FOTM or BOTM or better yet ABOTM. If you figure that out let me KNOW KNOw KNow Know know…..

See what I did there?

Because of the game? Nope, never. I just like to find the egos and troll them.

Plok.6145:

Is it called ECHO cause you repeat the same kitten that he said? Should be called FOTM or BOTM or better yet ABOTM. If you figure that out let me KNOW KNOw KNow Know know…..

See what I did there?

Well each spell of EA is on its own CD. The easiest way to tell is to dodge in the attunement, switch out, by the time that attunement is off cooldown and ready to switch too. EA of that attunement should also be ready.

But if u want to time it like an actually CD, you’d either need a 10sec debuff/icon or another small UI.

They’d have to do it with all active-skill-traits.

That would take a completely newly designed and programmed UI to be implemented into the game for that.

I’ll answer for the devs on this one.

“We’d love to, but we dont have the time as of right now”

Imo, great idea tho.

I want Condition Love.

Dr Acula.3496:

[ECHO] Is bad. Everyone knows this. Our leader likes to remind us every day. No biggie. There is just so many jimmies being rustled in this thread… But I can rustle my own Jimmies because it feels so nice.

Kusa.6438:

Only if mesmers can get MH dagger.

Elementalist: Staff / Scepter / Dagger / Focus

Mesmer: Staff / Sword / Focus / Torch / Greatsword / Scepter / Pistol.

Your already getting buffed for having trouble fighting Minion Master Necros, cuz they’re too OP (Devs said so, it must be true)

Fraeg.9837:

a couple of – a quantifier that can be used with count nouns….
BP fought Mag for two weeks which qualifies the usage of the term “a couple of”

Whether we “gave them a challenge” is a completely different topic, a distinction which appears to be eluding you.

If your arguing the semantics of a word, then yes you are correct.

But if your arguing for your knowledge of Maguuma, i highly reccommend you do NOT use the time BP fought mag as anywhere near a good example to use to judge what a future battle between you would turn into.

Mag would have BP pushed out of Eternal by the 3rd hour into reset with atleast half of their borderlands under their control, well on their way to being upgraded, defended and watched, round the clock. Ballista Firing Squads would be posted up outside of every spawn.

Ehmry use to hold a candle to Mag, but over the weeks with transfers. They have to hold back a friendly hand shake with us without it turning into a punch in the face. And Mag and Ehmry usually enjoy fighting each other, and relish the oppotunities to prolong those particular matches.

Ehmry is the “gate keeper” to t4. Every so often scoring high enough to enter but not really able to push any farther. Truth is Ehmry is the T4/T5 threshold server, and BP is the T5/T6 threshold server. But even though i used us as an example of a “gate keeper” we are by no means an accurate representation of what T4 is as well.

Same with SBI, although i havent fought them they seem to be in the same boat. Kinda too much for t5 (or what feels like it sometimes) and then too small for T4.

Fraeg.9837:

Wizardauz.3761:

Fraeg.9837:

Just an FYI, because it seems some have forgotten, or some simply didn’t know: BP spent a few weeks fighting Maguuma as well as Dragonbrand. We remember very well what they are like to go up against.

http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/49/#history

in weeks 50 through week #2

In the middle of christmas/new years and you we’re utterly destoryed….

They we’re the reason you fought AR and NSP for so long…

If you thought you even fought them full strength… guess again.

You never really got close at all

Captain Obvious is Obvious, plus you forgot to include a “your momma” joke.

But your post did make me smile when I thought about how happy it must have made you to “put us in our place”.

However, if you reread what I wrote you might notice that nowhere do I make any claims about how BP faired in said match ups, merely that they had occurred. As for Mag, one of their great strengths is their organization, that didn’t appear suddenly over night once, as you put it, they were full strength. So yes, BP is familiar with Mag and their organization.

Have a pleasant day

No spite intended.

You had stated that you had “fought mag for a couple of weeks”

When in reality mag was just passing through, there was no fight, half of mag wasnt even there.

And dont try rationalize me as the enemy because im pointing out a fact, more often then not its BP who starts these squabbles. Feel free to divert your blame to someone else so you can feel better about you self.

But in the end the truth is clear and no amount of excuses can hide you from it.

And no, a “yo mama” joke is unnecessary, childish, and inappropriate. Why you are suggesting these, and where you came up with this, i will never know.

Good day sir.

Snow White.9680:

I would be completely fine with this.

But to those of you saying I should go to another game simply because I liked 1 aspect of other game is silly.

If you think about it.

The Riding Broom is already a mount.

My Predictions are, Mounts will be similar to town clothes.

Non-Combat. Non-Speed Increasing. Vanity Items.

Fraeg.9837:

Just an FYI, because it seems some have forgotten, or some simply didn’t know: BP spent a few weeks fighting Maguuma as well as Dragonbrand. We remember very well what they are like to go up against.

http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/49/#history

in weeks 50 through week #2

In the middle of christmas/new years and you we’re utterly destoryed….

They we’re the reason you fought AR and NSP for so long…

If you thought you even fought them full strength… guess again.

You never really got close at all

Oozo.7856:

That’s not a fight club. That is an interrupted cyber-session.

If only i could give u more then a +1

i want proof of this speculation.

Hahahaha, This is priceless.

Yeah [ECHO] has friends on DR from [AD], [Btsy], and [NoQQ]. Good bunch of guys, all of em. Fantastic Players as well.

We talking, hang out, practice against each other, and when people interrupt. We’ll often turn on you.

No offense

Walabone.6713:

We’re a pretty small guild. You’ll only see us have more thakittenman on Friday nights. And I was on vacation last week (and hardly wanted to play WvW cause it was lopsided).

Next time then, when your all on, who knows we may be here a while!

It means like thief FoTM D/P and CnD spam thieves will be replaced with more skilled players who’ve already made the transition from using stealth so much and instead using mobility. Which they’ll be buffing anyways.

They clearly said in the SOTG that the thief was envisioned to be the slippery class with high dmg. Just because they’re changing the “slippery-ness” of that profession from stealth to something else doesnt necessarily constitute a nerf. As well as it doesnt mean another class cant be slippery either.

Hopefully after this Condi thieves, D/D smart-spikers, and S/D will also be valued for what they are, even though they are often over shadowed by the allure of “Stealth on Demand” even though your gimping yourself relying on constant Black Powders and Cloak and Daggers which skilled players can navigate around.

Eles aren’t OP. If people invested more into paying attention when fighting an ele like they did with other classes, it’d be easier for them. You GTFO when a warrior switches to greatsword/rifle as is anywhere near remotely high dmg, but not when you see the ele switch into Fire? Count the seconds before rolling to avoid Churning Earth? Slap the immobilze after hes in water, going into air?

Your cries of OP and profession inbalance seem like ignorance to me.