Guild Wars 2

Because Skale Venom is OP in 1v1, group, or zerg battle.

Its a consumable that gives 2 conditions that has no cooldown.

Guardians dont even get those conditions normally, not to mention if you AoE, suddenly everyone is stacked with it.

It makes sense in PvE for Dungeons and stuff, that can really help. But in duels, fights, w/e, Food + Oil is all you need.

If your relying on skale venom for conditions that you wouldnt normally get…. You’re a Baddie. End of story. Use Food + Oil and take a little time to theorycraft some stats advantages out. You’ll be a better player in the end for it.

Acelerion.6820:

We don’t really troll when on the winning side. It usually means we outnumber everyone so hard it sucks as much for us as it does you. I hope this round doessent end up that way.

We’ll put up the best we got.

If it does end up becoming a steamroll over us, there will be plenty of organized fights and sieges to go around for fun.

Mag and Ebay usually get along well, in a loud, flamey, troll way

dreztina.4820:

I’m trying to avoid getting too excited about this matchup before reset just incase something falls through, but I’m really looking forward to fighting FTF, GH, and the other roamers on EB. I don’t know anything about CD though, do they roam at all or is it just a zerg server?

Just to let you know

FTF is freaking huge now. we’re practically 500/500 with an average of 100-150 actives (they all arent WvW based we do pve too).

But to let you know Drez, the roamers and pvp-centric types of FTF are running around with [GF] “Good Fights”, those the peeps in my squad.

I cant wait to see that first [OG]. Im going to feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

EDIT: As far as CD goes, they’ve been reduced in numbers and are down to mostly an oceanic presence as their “Prime-Time”.

But they still got roamers, good ones too, and they dont really (usually) run from an even fight. Watch out for the guild [Awe] from CD, they’ve got a Squad they run about 10-15 deep and are pretty scary once they get their momentum going.

I think its cute when zergers talk about roaming and real pvp, it makes me chuckle.

Mag, get down here already, we have the cookies ready.

Good Fights all week!

Im actually going to go with ViperWire, i like this thread better lol.

kfarb.6732:

Is it true that to play on ebay you have to read Sun Tzoo’s Big Book of War?

you actually have to recite it backwards.

Guess what.

Lag is the trap.

Awwww yyeaaah.

I’ve been waiting for this thread, for months.

Cant wait to get the hell off work >.<

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED

http://mos.millenium.org/matchups#NA

Mike.7320:

Actually, entire zergs chase one OG. RET guild strikes again lol.

Block your chat next time.

Your PvE is showing.

Had some Good Fights in Eternal and brought it back to Yaks BL to run some camps.

Just wanted to give a shout out to that [scRn] Warrior Commander that single handedly had to deal with us for quite a while, it was quite the uphill battle on his end, but by The Great Lord Flame Ram he never gave up. /Salute to you sir.

Mesmer or Guardian.

Intigo.1653:

We did that with siN after all the GvG’s we had. Was pretty hilarious. I still have footage of it, I think.

Next vid. Right there.

We need more epic underwater combat, as much as it sucks.

Next time….

Do a GvG….. Underwater.

Now that would be intestesting and a challenge.

WHO IS THE BEST UNDERWATER GUILD?!

Good Fights all day!

Those fights on YB BL we’re fun a good couple hours we fought you guys. Too bad we screwed our own portal bomb at the end over the moat inside Bay loool.

Good Fights!

Well i dont mind losing, but…

No infact im agreeing with the OP, Bunzy, wholeheartedly.

I meant to state in general to those who think that having these in WvW are good and somehow improve gameplay. When in fact its a crutch that allows players to rely on something that gives them a very significant advantage in battle over someone else.

i.e. – have you ever fought someone with skale venom in a 1v1, 2v2, or even in a random skirmish that refused to fight unless they had their skale venom on? Personally i fight those people without skale venom purposefully to see how close i come against them and if i beat them, you have an advantage on me that i dont and i still win? Guess what your just bad.

Its meant to show that if you didnt have the ability to use Skale Venom, where would you be? You’d be at a severe disadvantage by relying on something (weakness to save you from real dmg) rather then improving on your gameplay (like properly saving your endurance to dodge attacks)

Its a crutch. Period. Take it out of WvW.

I understand Bunzy’s reasonings for “stocking” up on them and using them “Now”. Because, although unorthodox, he wants to inspire other people to see the stupidity in these items and get a following in order to cause a significant enough amount of attention on these items to the devs, in order to get them removed.

How about you rely on the skill you have with your profession then some ridiculous in-game, non-balanced items?

Its one thing to have a tree branch that can stun drop from an Oakheart (atleast im pretty sure) but it doesnt replace the abilities your class has and suddenly outshines them by offering a gimmick to rely on.

I use food/oil. I also use Blessings as well.

I dont use skale venom because i just dont see the good in it, i dont think it makes or breaks your match. But is skale venmon really needed to win that duel? So that crit you just made useless with weakness (or made into a glancing blow) that you got from skale venom allowed you to noob-face-tank that high dmg move he just casted on you, instead of having to dodge, and react accordingly. Yup thats Tooootally skill right there.

Because yes, that is what skill is, not learning how to view battle, when to dodge, and how to go about initiating an attack on someone. Its about spamming buttons and getting as many game mechanics on your side that you know about rather then your opponent.

Wow my level of expectation to the quality of pvpers in this game has now been severely put into perspective.

More like “GET PWNED NOOB”

Pentzski.4620:

Oh, what, I don’t get special mention for being an pain to fight/catch? I’m so offended</3

haha and EDGE too!

Umm today good enough?

http://mos.millenium.org/matchups#NA

only about another 8 hours till reset.

Awesome vid! i liked the background battle chat

pixieish.9627:

Wizardauz.3761:

FTF coming out of salt shakers?

srsly this thread makes no sense to me. Atleast maguuma flames me in what i can understand…

I know, it’s pretty ridiculous. “Three FTF”? He must’ve been suffering from some serious culling, FTF never travel in groups of less than ten, even if it’s just to increase their sodium intake.

Lol we’re just all over the place.

but there are often times we’re roaming or separated, and my squad usually runs 5-12 people, but FTF is a squad based guild so there are a bunch of groups running around.

I leave this thread for a few hours and the shear amount of “WAT” in me has built to the critical point of me asking… wtf is going on in here?

and also…

FTF coming out of salt shakers?

srsly this thread makes no sense to me. Atleast maguuma flames me in what i can understand…

http://mos.millenium.org/matchups#NA

You’re screwing it up.

Amins.3710:

Nice Vid. Good gameplay. Loved the music.

Got me all upidy up to go smash ya’lls faces again! in a good way! woot woot

Where have you been Amins?! You missed out the last couple days

Saweth You Him.9047:

Personality cult and utter disrespect doesn’t make whatever it is your trying to do have any merit.

You obviously dont know maguuma.

Archer.1658:

Thanks for putting up with us yo. It was a great learning experience. I am also impressed by your tactics vs confusion. You should teach it to the baddies in the nerf confusion thread =) (Im trying to say you were really good imo).

That fight was awesome, the teamspeak was in a constant uproar during that all.

Just a bunch of hoots and hollers for CHARRCAT as he comes within inches of his life multiple times and still keeps up, it was definitely one awesome fight.

Sage.5843:

CHARRCAT thanks FTF and EB for impromptu-ing’s Fight Clubs. Much fighting. Much training learnings. Good time. Then game update.

Cat nap sleep.

Good fights!

syv.4372:

okay, guys, you’re all beautiful. but let’s chill, it has been a nice forum thus far. let’s keep it that way and stay on topic! :]

As much as i agree… It keeps me entertained at work :P

Hows the battlefield right now?, im wishing i was roaming it right now >.<

John Widdin.9618:

Maybe it wouldn’t be as much an issue if invulnerability only applied to damage, and not CC in general. My Immobilize, and pull are both useless against an ele because of whatever shield it is, and Mist form. They have all the power to escape if I ever manage to hurt them.

First of all,

You fought 5-6 People coordinating most likely through voice chat.

Alone. Your Dead. No matter what class they are or what class you are.

And about invul skills. How is mistform any different from Endure Pain, or Shield Block, or Renewed Focus. Just because the Ele has one makes it “omg too many invuls cant dmg”. You know we can’t attack either? Makes Endure Pain look pretty nice imo.

idk about any 50 man zergs on this server lol, must of been one hell of a gathering of pugs/guilds.

But i did notice Eternal to be extrememly difficult to operate on for the beginning of the Pacific Primetime. Culling was pretty heavy for most of the time and before long just had to move to borderlands to escape.

culling isnt just bad lol, its getting worse.

Good fights tho.

wait wait wait.

You fought me with a scepter??? But i dont use scepter, and if i was, then i most definitely wasnt serious. (I suck at scepter, too slow for intense pvp, reaction time with D/D is much better) Was it a purple ele with a hood and human tier 3?

I understand your point when you fight specific classes you might alter things. Utilities or some Major Traits. But gear is built around your spec (atleast it is to me). And i always go for Balanced Builds. Im a heavy theorycrafter and number cruncher, i did alot of research into the individual stat values of each piece of armor and tried alot of different ways to mix and match. In the end i made a % comparison of armor stats vs traits vs accessories vs weapons vs sigils to try and find a good maximizing of stats.

But it could just be profession difference. Im not familiar with Necro or Mesmers.

Maybe im just a person who builds a bit more balanced. I tried to consider the fact that if you cant put up a good fight in 1v1 then how much use are you going to be in a team fight without some other purpose like boon support or combo field placement.

But this is all in my own opinion and can very well differ from Profession to Profession. I just would hate to see dueling become something where you switch to your copy/paste cookie cutter build and armor set and ONLY use that for dueling.

That to me seems pointless. Defeats the point of experimentation and skill development.

Btw Attic, tell me a bit more about the time dueling that ele (me??) and a what guild/server your on? Because the last confusion mesmer i fought that won was a mesmer from Maguuma named Zastari.

It just doesnt seem like me to switch from D/D to scepter if im apparently losing (atleast thats what it souneded like? an ele dying to confusion?)

Plus if i see confusion stack up more then 2-3 stacks. I take my hand off my keyboard and wait.

I like fighting them all, the try-hard duelists, the casuals, the pvp-avid, doesn’t make a difference to me.

Dueling is a learning experience. It offer you uninterrupted and respected combat in which you feel like you can push the limits and skill of your own playstyle against those of others.

I understand that some players, just dont build or feel confident to need to push that urge to duel. I also understand some players build solely for that, and they’ll use whatever cookie cutter, fotm, or cheap tactic to win (Beating these guys are the best)

Personally its all experience in my book. You win some, you lose some. But you’ll always learn.

Attic.1562:

Not really. There are some builds that just aren’t made for 1v1.

I wouldn’t dream of dueling with my glamor mesmer, staff ele, or condition necro because all of those builds are built around being in a specific team environment.

Hell, even bringing them to a 5v5 would be ill-advised. Too easy to focus down. Would have to change the specs around at the very least.

Lol personally i have friends who duel on most of those and get by, if not with good success too.

As far as builds… I only optimize to fit my play style, i dont see the point of switching builds just to duel… I run 1 build, in WvW, in Spvp, and in PvE. Whether im guardian or elementalist.

Switching builds just for a 1v1 seems petty. Just build something balanced so it doesnt matter if its 1v1 or 3v1. Seems too… 1 trick pony too me switching builds, changing into zerk armor and claiming skill.

whats a duelist build.

dont you bring your WvW build to a duel to test it? i thought that was the point

I request a nerf of auto-seeking 4k spammable leap finisher combo attacks on thieves plz.

Guardians just dont beat mesmers who use confusion. Too many conditions.

Even with a full shout, runes of the soldier, purity traited, signet of resolve using guardian WILL HAVE TROUBLE. I know i have one.

Fighting against Maguuma i learned dueling mesmers on my guardian, both switching off from a Triple Meditation spec to a Full Shout AH hammer spec.

You HAVE to turn your auto attack off.

You have to “pace” the mesmer. Pace the confusion, watch you conditions. The confusion is the only real dmg. The best thing they have at that point is stacking bleeds, but again you can leave that up to purity or the signet heal and passively regen and dodge heal AFTER.

Dodge fields at all costs. But good confusion 1v1 mesmers dont use fields.

Bait their shatters, dodge through them (usually getting behind them) condi removal into attack rotation.

If they’re rocking a staff they’ve got an 8 sec teleport. Save Leaps, Blinks and burst for after the blink.

If they’re using a sword, bait the invul attack, get behind or to the sides. Its like 100b’s but better with the invul, still the weakness is that they’ve immobilized their moving and turning ability.

The mesmers using heavy confusion builds dont rely on phatasm’s as much (as far as im concerned) but REALIZE that the “real” looking mesmer dont do crap for dmg, i think they just apply some condi’s if you leave them. The only mesmer you really have to watch out for is the purple looking ones. They do the dmg.

again, its really all the pacing.

When i fight confusion mesmers, and i see anything more then 2-3 stacks and am riding lower then 75%, just take your hand off the keyboard and walk away from him with W or with your mouse. Its generally a trap, just make them blow it.

Just wanted to shout out that its been a fun reset, i’ve wiped some zergs and i’ve gotten wiped. All in all good fights. Even beyond the glaring population differences that our servers have. Next matches are going to switch up the servers, SBI is going to probably drop down, and i expect them to be alot more managable in terms of size at the moment.

Keep fighting, see you on the battlefield.

Pinko.2076:

Wow Ebay using asterisks to stand out? That’s some dirty forum PvP.

Meta-Gaming it.

some one has to say it…

You wanna see OP?

nerf asap

Here something i’d like to know….

Is the arguement about Mounts over the speed bonus it gives you? or just the fact you wanna ride something thats cool looking?

Because if you take a look, Anet has already made a step into the “Mount” design.

The flying broom stick in the Gem Store could be counted on as a mount. You get no speed bonus and it basically makes you go Town Clothes too, but its a mount you can alternatively travel on for some vanity type effect.

Personally i dont care about any speed bonus, but if the developers want to continue on this trend of nicely made and designed town clothes type mounts. I would be 100% satisfied with this, not that i thought the game was lacking to much without them, but its a perfect supplement

Oozo.7856:

You want drama? YOU WANT DRAMA? I’LL GIVE YOU DRAMA.

Nice movie, FTF.

Wait… did I do that wrong?

MY FEELZ R SO HURT NOW

lol but on a real note, the video of that warrior was awesome! We’re all just chilling up there watching him loool. He even got you, Angry, in the last clip if you didnt notice xD

I want to start recording too, but everytime i started before it would turn my FPS to kitten. Now im trying BandiCam, heard rumors its better.

Hopefully get some footage tonight, if not i’ll have plenty for Kain next week xD

Personally, im looking forward to getting stomped next week if we really are going up again Kain. I wont have to do anything but step outside my spawn to find a nice zerg of red tags to wipe

Had a bunch of fun with AD, Btsy, and NoQQ.

Nice fights, awesome duels, some good 6v6s, and even a free for all xD

If you use https://www.proxfree.com/

put your IP address in Sweden. Then it’ll allow you to view the video.

The only problem is, the video playing format they use in Sweden (or what its automatically set too) doesnt give you the option to adjust the video quality.

Well i proxied off Sweden and i was able to view the video

I’m gonna start shooting some video from my end once i finally get my fps stable! We’ll combine POVs then

Dr Acula.3496:

Good Fights

Getcha Good Fights here!

i want to play a guardian when i have 70 trait points to work with.

Not 40.

I put mine down for PvE only now because i cant be as versatile with class purpose or class customization, its only meant for 1 thing, face-tanking frontline while allies do real dps.

you add in dps, but even still your keeping 30pts in Valor (NEED DAT CRIT DMG YO) because its supreme, no brainer, the whole “NOOO DUHHH” moment.

As for anyone who says a Guardian is boon-based… i lol at you with my perma 13stacks of might, 8 secs of protection on a 9 sec cooldown, 7sec of regen(also 9 sec cooldown, but thats not counting the passive regen “Soothing Mist”), perma swiftness and perma fury. And im not even a true bunker ele with my gear, im a Tank/DPS hybrid

And my last point in Water tree im consistently switching from (Either cleansing wave gives extra condi curing or sharing auras, both of which i can use whenever and keep the same viability as long as i play with SKILL. And im able to switch between a more party supportive or solo style with little to no major affect to the build itself. Its doesnt RELY on just 1 TRAIT to pack all that power/survivability.

They only stated that guardian philosophy in regards to Altruistic Healing SPECIFICALLY, because no other class has it. But look at thief stealth regen, elementalist “Signet of Restoration”, and warrior shouts. Boons, and Healing by the butt load. Imo way better, or atleast more “frequent” and reliable then what AH provides. All these things they can have, BUT STILL BUILD FOR PRIMARLY DPS and still keep great dmg while getting the full benefit of those suriviability traits.

Thieves, Warriors, Elementalist, Mesmers… They’re all good on their own. But their even better in a group.

Guardian is different, it can be good-ish alone. But its true power only begins to show up when you’ve got enough people hugging you or your rocking triple mediation.

You can’t be a AH guardian, relying on virtues only, you NEED shouts.

You can’t be a MF guardian, only using 1 or 2 mediations, you NEED 3 mediations (save yourselves is good in the 1v1 aspect to replace 1 mediation)

And you can’t be a “Boon-Based Guardian” without stacking everything, whether it be weapon choices, sigils, traits, armors, or runes, without it all being driven towards the purpose of giving you boons or supporting your boon uptime.

You need a shield (protection), you need a mace(regen), you need a hammer(proteection). Greatsword(might) doesnt compare to a 4sec blast finisher with great dmg potential and protection based auto attack, as well as 2 combo fields, a ranged immobilize, and the ring…. If your not using the mace, your using either Staff or trying to use Greatsword as well.

but im not saying im right, im not saying anyones wrong. this is all what i’ve felt from playing the guardian.

Btw i also have 1000+ hours built up on my guardian before i decided to switch to Ele.

Dam i was so excited when i saw a link up >.<