Guild Wars 2

So I’m not the only one. I stopped 2 losses as well suspecting something strange. Coming here proves I wasn’t wrong lol.

Good job Anet, after Season 2 I wanted to give this a 2nd try but nope, no go for me.

PierPiero.9142:

i add also that there are no more streamers on this game. .. or far less than before. It is not a truth but it is a sign . Probably it is something unavoidable for a game who is 5 years old . Playerbase moves from one game to others

Or the PvP-team ruining the game more and more as the years go by. This season was even worse than the previous 4.

This thread sums it up more than well.

Emdrix.6124:

baddies blame matchmaking

No, this you glorifying matchmaking..

The Game Slayer.7632:

But really, as far as spvp is concerned, solo/duo q is one the best changes ranked has ever seen. People absolutely hate being stuck in a certain spot, it’s human nature to dislike that. I’ve come to terms with the fact that I’m not the best player in gw2. (Who knew.) My wins and losses are about 50/50, but my rating seems to be dipping in and out of platinum and gold 3.

People don’t want to hear what I’m about to say: If you’re stuck in a certain place, that’s probably where your skill level in spvp resides. I’m going to look and think outside the box over the next few days, maybe record some games and look for my mistakes. I’ll be doing all that while someone who is pushing far while being +2’d is yelling at me as to why I didn’t revive him. ;D Then he’ll come to the forums and complain about how kittenty this rating system is. But really, these changes are quality.

It’s difficult to eat the same snickers when Anet keeps falling into the same failure like they did the past seasons.

The system is broken for a lot of players and Anet has once again given the small few the luxury of enjoying themselves and stomp their way past the vast majority. Yet another failure from Anets side to once again introduce a bettering system.

I think it’s about time people who actually love PvPing in this game (me included when excluding the broken rank system) should perhaps, just perhaps consider boycotting PvP altogether if it’s even possible to organize something like that. :P

bLind.6278:

Devs finally implement a non-biased system with known MMR and people just get upset when they realize they’re not as good as they claim to be.

People aren’t getting carried by purposefully stacked teams any more and have to actually earn it, and a lot of people really don’t like that.

How is ending up with stupidity incarnate related to ‘actually earn’ something? – Feels more like an endless torture introduced every year, with the same empty promises of betterness. I don’t think most PvPers mind working to earn something but this is way beyond ridiculous.

It’s amazing that you have to resort to that level of calculations about things, every season has been the same structured failure after another. I’m beginning to question whether mods and devs are starting to feel the slightest of shame for continously failing to present a proper system after all these years.

Light Of The Abyss.5927:

TheFamster.7806:

seriously anet if you’re gonna give me 5 min + queue then at least make even match ups instead of forcing me to lose every single game. I know i already lost in the first mid fight when I down 3 people and im the only one cleaving while rest of my team is doing their own thing and not even bother stomping or cleaving with me. Seriously what more can I do to salvage this matchmaking? If you’re gonna give me bad match ups at least reduce my queue time from 5 min+ to 30 sec by putting random people in the match with me.

That way at least I know I can play the game and still lose instead of waiting forever for the matchmaking to screw me over

You’re asking too much. 5 min queue times is not bad. Ask all the people in the past seasons that move their way up quickly, they would have 30 min to 2 hour queue times. AND you don’t have to sit in the mists anymore. Queue times are not the issue. And ANET is not forcing you to lose, that is just an excuse you people throw out because you lose a lot. Matchmaking isn’t good atm, but if you belong in a certain division, you will make it if you play good enough. So work on getting better.

Doubled edged sword when actual skilled people who are placed on losing teams lose motivation to play and/or change games to fulfill their PvP desire. That’s good competition thrown out of the window right there.

Ohoni.6057:

Why do they go full silence between seasons? They just bunker down and don’t even try to fix the current season, and then the season ends and they come out like “well, we kittened that one up royally, but here’s what we’re going to do next season,” no, next season is too late, do something about it today! Or maybe tomorrow, I’m not picky, but don’t wait until it’s too late to actually matter.

Anet knows they’ve messed up and yes, they’re often silent when it comes to issues like this, whatever they say might just do more damage than good in their eyes, especially with people as angry as they are now, which isn’t a surprise at this rate.

Elegie.3620:

According to the MM algorithm, the system seems to solely calculate the players’ rating from the game final result. However, a victory is achieved not only through team effort, but also through individual performance – and assessing that latter component through the final result only seems insufficient. I don’t get why there’s no heuristic component involved, in order to properly boost or degrade the individual ratings of the players.

Also, there’s a significant lack of transparency from Anet. It is really hard to provide useful suggestions when the company refuses to provide any figure related to PvP, like the overall population, class repartition, players’ ratings and so on. Players can only speculate, mostly wrongly, which fuels the frustration and inhibits positive contributions.

Anet refusing to share data and lack of transparency should be self-explanatory.

Ubik.8315:

Malediktus.9250:

True, played 39 matches – 14 wins
Game probably expects me to carry because I was legendary last season and so my MMR is probably higher than average saphire player MMR.

Honestly this season is starting off like absolute garbage. When my team wants to duel a druid off point while I’m 1v3 on our only held point, I cry. Even if I was Gregor Clegane, I couldn’t deadlift this weight.

Had a brief peek into sPvP recently and yes I do agree, this season seems far worse than the previous one. (I skipped Season 3)

Jeknar.6184:

Zenral.3958:

Jeknar.6184:

I still think you people are flipping tables for too little.

Don’t blame anyone for flipping tables at this rate my friend, Anet has been constantly messing up WvW and people do get fed up at one point, but it’s still Beta and it’s always a plus people share their feedback and flipped tables so Anet can take notes.

This post came up like 5 minutes after the patch. I don’t really think anyone had time to test the hammers to some meaningful lenght to justify all this table flipping.

It doesn’t take that long to get some adequate result and feedback from these hammers and as said, wouldn’t be surprised if previous damage caused by Anet with their changes in WvW are keeping the people on edge.

Jeknar.6184:

I still think you people are flipping tables for too little.

Don’t blame anyone for flipping tables at this rate my friend, Anet has been constantly messing up WvW and people do get fed up at one point, but it’s still Beta and it’s always a plus people share their feedback and flipped tables so Anet can take notes.

Anet earns a lot of money from server populations migrating back and forth, them gems fill pockets after all.

Swagger.1459:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Swagger.1459:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Swagger.1459:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

As with a lot of societal issues, education is the only long term solution. Only once ppl realize the gap that exist between what they say they want vs what they factually do will there be hope.

The solution has to come from the players, not from Anet. And for that to happen players have to feel it make sense and that they have power over their gaming experience. But unless they are aware of the consequences of their actions, or care about it at all, forget any measure to counter bandwagons. The path of least resistance is always going to win where ignorance rule. Always.

Honestly huh?

So you are blaming the players because Anet didn’t devote the resources and person power to improve wvw and professions and combat?

It’s the players fault that Anet didn’t do anything substantial to increase retention rates and bring in new players to fill up wvw servers?

It’s the players fault for the frustrating lag too?

Players fault that nearly 4 years into product life we below average rewards compared to other areas of the game?

It’s the players fault that something hasn’t been done about the afwul condition and stealth spam?

…RvR is dependent on players to run smoothly but Anet lost players because they did not reinvest strongly in this part of the game. You can’t blame players looking to get off unpopulated servers to find some good and massive fights and sit around taking camps on emptier maps with one side dominating.

I like Anet and this game, spent a ton on the gemstore, but they dropped the ball big time. I’m glad they are making a renewed effort, but you still can’t blame players for switching servers to get out of these unbalanced matches.

I think you misunderstand me. I do not say Anet doesn’t have any power, and therefore responsibility, in all this. I think they can make it easier for the players, sure. However, no matter what Anet does, we, the players, have the last word regarding bandwagonning and the impact it has.

Players who are complaining about unbalanced match-up but systematically join the bandwagon every time clearly miss the irony of their move.

It all boils down to: are you part of the solution or part of the problem. So long as ppl will refuse to acknowledge they also have power over this issue the problem will persist no matter what Anet does.

If we want to simply this…

Anet created the problems. Players are finding their own solutions to the mess or moving on to get their pvp fix.

Right now you have an up coming pure pvp rvr game that will blow wvw rvr out of the water, and all the future holds here is server linking and reward tracks… What do you think wvw will look like a year from now if Anet doesn’t reinvest in wvw?

All these issues fall squarely on the people who created and maintain this game, not the players.

Anet AND us created the problem. We both did. The solution is not 100% on any one shoulders. Never was, never is, and never will be.

No, players did nothing except play a game mode that received very little reinvestment by the creators.

You are not going to fault the players for the wvw “stuff” that wasn’t coded into the game that could have made the difference. Do you blame players for the year long pve content drought or canceled legendaries. or anets planned release schedule of stuff?

Players aren’t widdling away at keyboard writing the next xpac, we have zero control. If it bombs, it’s not the fault of the customer, anymore than what happens with wvw.

You don’t understand how this all works… GW2 is a product. Players are the customer. Either a company creates a well liked product and customers buy it, or a company creates an average product and you get average to low results.

Anet wanted an rvr mode in the game and did very little with it, that’s their fault for whatever the outcome is.

Edit- and this entire idea by the OP to punishing players financially because Anet failed to maintain wvw is irrational. It’s also a double slap in the face to customers who are trying to stick out this mess.

As said, there are people, groups and even guilds abusing this to continously farm lootbags and feed off the less fortunate. So yes, there is a portion of customers who are as much to blame for abusing this system for their own selfish goals, with Anet earning their coins under the rug.

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

As with a lot of societal issues, education is the only long term solution. Only once ppl realize the gap that exist between what they say they want vs what they factually do will there be hope.

The solution has to come from the players, not from Anet. And for that to happen players have to feel it make sense and that they have power over their gaming experience. But unless they are aware of the consequences of their actions, or care about it at all, forget any measure to counter bandwagons. The path of least resistance is always going to win where ignorance rule. Always.

Well said.

Ezat.1548:

Zenral, you must know before portraying me as a bandwagonner, I’ve been in a specific server for nearly 3 years now I just don’t see any REAL & CREDIBLE argument to morally blame bandwagonners. If Anet is to implement these supposed suggestions, they will be killing the fun of many WvWers as well. Why should Anet force guilds and players to be stuck in a server just to serve these supposed ‘server community’s interests? Why should players be punished for moving servers and given excessive amount of fees if they are to move again? Why should guilds have to obey to some people who think they are the ‘server community’? Why should a guild alliance numbering in the hundreds have to listen to some people crying in map chat about ‘server community’?

As said, it stands between a server community and a guild(s), it’s already a known fact that major guilds with major influence in terms of balance and numbers know about the impact they apply when migrating from one server to another, in addition to that there are guilds who do abuse this kind of power to imbalance and bring about the results we have today in WvW, with 2-3 major servers steamrolling the rest and the result of that being players quitting or migrating over to the winning server, thus adding to the damage. – That kind of action needs to be stopped, because yes there are guilds who abuse this power and yes there are guilds who are fully aware of this and use this for their benifit to karma train, farm lootbags from less fortunate players with Anet allowing this to happen because yes, they do earn their good share of money from gems. – You should direct yourself to the guilds who continously abuse this for their own selfish benifit. This has nothing to do with the server community itself but the game as a whole.

Without a server community, you won’t have much of a server to face, let alone an organized platform that could offer good fights and a thriving community. If you pay a little more attention to what I’m trying to say, you’ll realize that the goal to all of this is to bring about better fights and a better vibe to WvW as a whole, but right now people like there are individuals like you who only think about themselves and the well being of a few lucky guilds who have the influence and the manpower to shift things as they are done now. And I haven’t even mentioned the actual bandwagoners yet.

Ezat.1548:

Sure, server communities do exist, but players and guilds with different interests also exist too. You call them as bandwagonners, but some call them finding where the fun is and seeking fresh challeng […]

I never called guilds bandwagoners, you put those words in my mouth, but sure if you wish to put them in the mix too let’s go with it. As mentioned above, major guilds in this case do influence server numbers, and many guilds migrate back and forth between winning servers to abuse this kind of power, and since you mentioned SFR you should know a few guilds who’re now in Deso, who were previously in Piken when they were number 1 and before that in FSP (I wonder why)

Ezat.1548:

And Zenral, your point of mentioning about people getting less fights and fewer people is exactly making people leave your server. Why should people stay in a server when there is no fights? No way you are going to ask people to stay and build with you, nobody has time for that. Many players seek instant fun (people especially ‘server community people’ need to accept this fact). WvW is where people have fun, not doing a secondary job. Like it or not

What people do or dont isn’t my business, but there is a growing level of unhappiness in WvW which you haven’t paid much attention to, I’m simply highlighting the problem and you’re completely ignoring it, that’s how the situation is right now. But you know, feel free to keep playing as you are and blindly believe things work as good as they are. WvW is going to keep running a decent decline in both numbers and quality of fights as long as guilds and bandwagoners are allowed to freely roam and migrating back and forth between major servers, everybody likes to win after all and very few people like to put the effort in getting there.

RodOfDeath.5247:

Zenral.3958:

JFFcrazyhorse.6352:

Jelly Pain.8027:

Darkhaven would love a tournament! All three of us are ready to take you all out! Much love to everyone!

Really? Because you guys cant even hold your own bloody keep in EBG, or even hold more than 20% of the maps.

You see, that’s the kind of attitude that’s ruining WvW and this game altogether, good job good sir.

At least its fun […]

Sigh..

Ezat.1548:

Anet making money from server transfer or not is not the issue, if they want to keep it thats fine, im just giving a suggestion.

Your ‘imagined community’ can be selfish too for making people stick to you when they have lost their fun in a particular server. Anet will not be able to do what you guys are suggesting, countering bandwagonners and such to the very detail.

You see, claims like; ‘imagined community’ is a typical comment more than likely coming from someone whose in one of those major guilds with the benifit to abuse the power of transfering between servers. You can’t truly be standing here claiming that a community is imaginary when there are dozen of people complaining about bandwagoners. Allow me to open your narrowed mind a bit by saying that I played in one of the top tier servers (Which still happens to be climbing) and I’ve experienced how my server community and other server’s communities (By talking to the people there?) have continously complained about huge guild transfers not only imbalancing the already established communities, but clogging queues up and bringing awful vibes to the mapchat and whatnot, more importantly as someone whose been in the server I chose since day 1, I can safely say that a lot of guilds abuse this kind of power to farm other servers while completely disregarding the established community.

In other words, doing exactly what you’re doing now.

Ezat.1548:

People can play however they want, wherever they want. No in-game community can block/stop any player from playing WvW the way they want to play, no matter how big or small your community is.

No one is saying that you or anyone shouldn’t play in a specific way, what I am highlighting is once again, the abuse and population imbalance these bandwagoners bring about, and to do exactly the opposite of what you just did now; Respect and take the server community into account and not outright ignore it and not outright disrespect and disregard it, you just proved my point.

Ezat.1548:

How do we really define what serves the greater number in WvW? Don’t speak as if you are representing the whole WvW community, there are LOTS of different players out there who don’t even care what you are trying to campaign because countering bandwagonning is just as bad as giving more restrictions to other players to move servers.

There are lots of players who are moving between the servers, who are you to say these players as ‘minority’ who are not entitled to get the same freedom Anet is giving to all gw2 players in WvW just the same as you ‘server community’ people are.

Call me however you want, but these suggestions of countering bandwagoning will just undermine the very essence of freedom Anet is giving to us ALL. Not just to some people who are claiming to be speaking on behalf of ‘server community’, its just purely Anet’s policy not give special treament to a supposed ‘imagined community’

WvW and this game is in a worse state than it was pre-HoT, you might want to change that kind of mentality with people leaving and even the top commanders and some guilds I’ve been checking out are complaining that not as many are playing or fighting in WvW anymore. Let me straight with you, it’s your kind of people in fact who are ruining WvW, who are only thinking about their own well being and their guild’s while completely ignoring the rest of the communities and people as a whole. Like I said above, you won’t have anyone to fight if you keep this kind of approach up my friend, people will leave and people will always find better games and better ways to enjoy themselves.

Guild Wars 2 at this moment happens to have one of the best, if not the best combat system but that is unfortunately being countered by your kind of appraoch towards communities and people as a whole, you’re driving them away and Anet is making money from your kind transfering between servers. I come from a major community and server whose always fought their way up to the top Tiers and yes, I know exactly what I’m talking about.

Z

JFFcrazyhorse.6352:

Jelly Pain.8027:

Darkhaven would love a tournament! All three of us are ready to take you all out! Much love to everyone!

Really? Because you guys cant even hold your own bloody keep in EBG, or even hold more than 20% of the maps.

You see, that’s the kind of attitude that’s ruining WvW and this game altogether, good job good sir.

davidiven.9408:

tournament just makes more people quit the game faster

And with the state WvW is today and a tournament ontop of that? – Well, it won’t take much for that to happen.

You have to remember that Anet makes a lot of money from these bandwagoners, removing or restricting their movement across servers might jeopardize the money they earn from all the gems bought to make these said transfers. I believe it’s the only reason they’re still around after all this time.

Ezat.1548:

Jana, that is just our view on a particular guild on the actions they make in WvW. It might be biased, for them its seeking fun, for some of us it is destroying fun. Who are we to say and telling them how to play WvW? If we are to do that, aren’t we just destroying their fun in WvW? So if a particular guild wants to move or stay, thats up to them.

Remember, WvW is for all, not only for you or me or some particular guild.

And let us always accept a fact that whenever a guild or some guilds move between the servers, communities will always take a hit by it. So its up to the communities to adapt to the changes, not crying about it.

You see, where it stands now is between a major guild vs an entire community possibly quitting or bailing WvW altogether, so the fun stands between a large group of people and a large playerbase.

Perhaps it’s the guilds who ought to adapt themselves and cease imbalancing communities and destroying servers due to their selfish need to have fun while completely disregarding the game as a whole and everybody’s satisfaction.

These said guilds won’t have anyone to fight if everybody ends up quitting.

bigmonto.4215:

I don’t know why people say GW2 is dying, it is consistently being the top 2 or 3 most played MMO in the US.

Don’t confuse game loyalty to how fun a game is. Loyalty takes a lot to destroy but once gone, Anet might not get that player back.

Ithilwen.1529:

Rarnark.5623:

It’s obvious at this point so there’s no need elaborating on the diminishing interest/population in Guild Wars 2 PvP.

Can this be reversed, or are any initiatives a band-aid on a bullet hole at this point?

@Chaith

Your quote is not relevant to what I said. I was talking about the OP. The OP appears to be about the pvp scene in general and not about pro league.

Bringing this back to the topic; I don’t think Pro league is a good metric. The real measure of pvp health is in how many are playing every day in ranked and unranked.

That number has been reduced by deliberately unbalanced matches.

Because the matches were unbalanced, it’s very difficult to see class balance accurately.

So, the first step in improving pvp would be to improve matchmaking. Better still, simply make it 50-50 odds on the predicted win.

Let me put it in even more simple words; The whole sPvP gamemode is a joke (Squeeze WvW in the mix) and it’s pointing more and more towards an overhaul than ‘fixing’ things. Sounds more like biting around the bushes considering the level of mess Anet has created post HoT.

Seiroxena.6350:

I’m tired to go through the forums and see crybabies everywhere …

So let me make this clear for you :

1) The developpers are LISTENING to playerbase and are TRYING to balance classes out.
Which means that from a season to another there will always be an “OP” class out there.
Balancing a competitive PVP game requires ALOT of time, dedication and testing.

2) ANET is trying to step out from bunker / condi meta by removing the bunker abilities STEP BY STEP.

3) Don’t expect instant balance when an expansion comes out with 9 new elite specializations … It takes alot of time to make everything perfect.

4) JUST BE PATIENT AND POST [Suggestion] In your appropriate class forum .

Thanks for reading

1. No they aren’t. Ever since Season 2 sPvP has gone through a pretty solid downhill, I don’t play anymore and all I see when I swing about here and even test classes at times are negative outcomes on all areas, so no, they aren’t listening one bit to the community,.

2. By removing amulets and making it harder for some classes to get about in sPvP? – Once again, no.

3. Yeah so do we wait 4 more years and still hope for something that’s never going to arrive anyway?

4. Feels like every Suggestion post is flushed down amongst the rest, sounds more like the Spam-mail section of the forums.

Get real man and stop being a white knight for Anet.

At least in the EU servers what needs to be addressed here are bandwagoners, they do not solely migrate from one server to the next in large numbers but imbalance and have even at times reached the point where established server communities are completely ruined.

Bandwagoners have been killing this game for years now but Anet more than likely needs them for the $$$

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

Zenral.3958:

It’s not like anything has improved in WvW post polls. Nobody is addressing the bandwagoners in the EU side who’re now swarming Deso + Ruins of Surmia with their army of trolls, bad vibes and plagued mapchat with the actual community not being able to participate in WvW at all.

The polls aren’t trying to deal with long-term, systemic issues.

The WvW team is saying: we’re working on those things, which take a long time to address. In the meantime, instead of doing nothing at all (what we did to PvE and WvW these last few years), we’re going to try some experiments. And then they give us a chance to say which things we’d like to try.

If you’d like them to offer other things, then make a suggestion post (or add to the thread that asks for such suggestions).

What I’m addressing is nothing new, yet it’s something that has surely earned Anet a lot of money with the amount of gems bought for transfer.

The main problem here are bandwagoners migrating back and forth between servers and imbalancing the population that way, I can only assume Anet never addresses this due to the amount of money they get with all the $$$ in gems and transfers.

It’s not like anything has improved in WvW post polls. Nobody is addressing the bandwagoners in the EU side who’re now swarming Deso + Ruins of Surmia with their army of trolls, bad vibes and plagued mapchat with the actual community not being able to participate in WvW at all.

I’d like to add Anet’s continuous silence to the list. Not even an apology for messing this Season up to this glorious level.

Lexander.4579:

Zenral.3958:

Lexander.4579:

Torafugu.1087:

Lexander.4579:

Torafugu.1087:

Lexander.4579:

Torafugu.1087:

Lexander.4579:

Torafugu.1087:

Lexander.4579:

Torafugu.1087:

Lexander.4579:

its not season which sucks its players

its not posts which sucks its posters.

trashtalking good players on forum wont get you out of your loss streak, you should stop verbally abusing your team and read your skills and that should be enough to easily get to ruby

I am not in a lose streak because I can’t be bothered to play. You happy now ?
The algorithm is broken, it snowballs MMR. Everyone knows about it, and you pretend it’s the players, very quaint.

maybe if you followed my advice you would already start improving yourself instead of losing the time blaming the “algorithm” or MMR

Why I should follow the advise of someone who couldn’t figure out the algorithm is broken ?

you shouldnt really do anything what others tell you, i merely wanted to help, but one can be helped only if they want to be helped

There is nothing you can do to help. If you want to be helpful go read up on the algorithm, understand exactly how it works, and you will see why it’s basically a slot machine.

an algorithm decides for you how you will play and what will be your performance? i dont think so

The algorithm decide that there is nothing I can do to change the outcome.

in all honesty i doubt that, unless of course you are enslaved by some sort of robotic augmentation in your brain which forces you to lose your matches

Unfortunately it’s true. People wouldn’t be here complaining, quitting and venting their anger if the matchmaking system didn’t force you to lose by putting you amongst the losing team and clueless players who’re as smart as door nails.

these “door nails” you are speaking about are actually complaining about the matchmaking system right here alongside with you

If any of them even talk.

Lexander.4579:

Torafugu.1087:

Lexander.4579:

Torafugu.1087:

Lexander.4579:

Torafugu.1087:

Lexander.4579:

Torafugu.1087:

Lexander.4579:

Torafugu.1087:

Lexander.4579:

its not season which sucks its players

its not posts which sucks its posters.

trashtalking good players on forum wont get you out of your loss streak, you should stop verbally abusing your team and read your skills and that should be enough to easily get to ruby

I am not in a lose streak because I can’t be bothered to play. You happy now ?
The algorithm is broken, it snowballs MMR. Everyone knows about it, and you pretend it’s the players, very quaint.

maybe if you followed my advice you would already start improving yourself instead of losing the time blaming the “algorithm” or MMR

Why I should follow the advise of someone who couldn’t figure out the algorithm is broken ?

you shouldnt really do anything what others tell you, i merely wanted to help, but one can be helped only if they want to be helped

There is nothing you can do to help. If you want to be helpful go read up on the algorithm, understand exactly how it works, and you will see why it’s basically a slot machine.

an algorithm decides for you how you will play and what will be your performance? i dont think so

The algorithm decide that there is nothing I can do to change the outcome.

in all honesty i doubt that, unless of course you are enslaved by some sort of robotic augmentation in your brain which forces you to lose your matches

Unfortunately it’s true. People wouldn’t be here complaining, quitting and venting their anger if the matchmaking system didn’t force you to lose by putting you amongst the losing team and clueless players who’re as smart as door nails.

Pyriall.1683:

Laserbolt.6731:

Pyriall,

When three of your teammates start by running to cap home as a group…explain that as your personal problem.

When they then as a group go take down the beast, dungeon style, explain that as a personal problem.

When they die and return to the game be running into an outnumbered fight and dying again, explain that.

And how to you “carry” 3 people doing that, when you against a team that is playing properly? I mean specifically, not in general terms. “Talk to them”? They aren’t listening.

You don’t have time to explain such basics to them.

You make it seem as if you’re the only one experiencing this. I have experienced it and I have lost matches because of it. I have also won matches where it happens. So you tell me, why are others able to move forward in divisions but there are people on 20 + game losing streaks.

Just stop it Pyriall. You’re ignoring everybody’s points here while still being steadfast onto proving more than half the community the opposite of this flawed system, or is Anet by any chance paying you to troll now?

Pyriall.1683:

Zenral.3958:

Pyriall.1683:

Zenral.3958:

Pyriall.1683:

People who keep talking about the slot machine act like it only happens to them. There are people who are making their way through divisions, solo queue and with terrible teammates. Yet, there you sit still blaming a system (it’s not perfect) for your losses while others are making their way through it.

Separately from that, get a team together. It solves all of your problems and you can’t blame the system any longer for your “slot machine” teammates.

I know you’re trying to be Anet’s white knight here but with a system this flawed, such options decrease the more players grow bored/boycott PvP. I’m one of the unfortunate ones whose on a constant losing streak and it’s not encouraging at all to keep trying, let alone bother doing something that automatically sets you up to lose every match.

What makes you so special that they are targeting you? I mean, if others are getting through the system why has A-Net made it so YOU can’t? It has to be the system right? Some games you have no choice but to carry.

Yeah but when it passes the 10th game in a row, with scores like 500-50 you’ve got to ask yourself if it’s truly you or if the system is setting you up. I’m not the only case and you’ve got pages and pages to further prove my point. Once again, stop trying to be Anet’s white knight because you’re one of the lucky ones mate, no one’s buying it.

Who is trying to be a white knight?

The reality is you have two buckets of players. If what you’re saying is true then everyone would be lumped into the same bucket, but they are not. Explain to me how they were able to move forward in the divisions?

I have been grouped with several people claiming that it’s the system. When I see them play, it isn’t the system.

I wish that was the case but it isn’t. There are continous reports, screenshots and claims players are forced into these dead awful teams and lose due to their low MMR, and here you are trying to prove otherwise with no substance of evidence to further prove your point(s). In addition, unranked matches seem to render better results in term of close scores and competition than Ranked matches ever have thus far.

Pyriall.1683:

Zenral.3958:

Pyriall.1683:

People who keep talking about the slot machine act like it only happens to them. There are people who are making their way through divisions, solo queue and with terrible teammates. Yet, there you sit still blaming a system (it’s not perfect) for your losses while others are making their way through it.

Separately from that, get a team together. It solves all of your problems and you can’t blame the system any longer for your “slot machine” teammates.

I know you’re trying to be Anet’s white knight here but with a system this flawed, such options decrease the more players grow bored/boycott PvP. I’m one of the unfortunate ones whose on a constant losing streak and it’s not encouraging at all to keep trying, let alone bother doing something that automatically sets you up to lose every match.

What makes you so special that they are targeting you? I mean, if others are getting through the system why has A-Net made it so YOU can’t? It has to be the system right? Some games you have no choice but to carry.

Yeah but when it passes the 10th game in a row, with scores like 500-50 you’ve got to ask yourself if it’s truly you or if the system is setting you up. I’m not the only case and you’ve got pages and pages to further prove my point. Once again, stop trying to be Anet’s white knight because you’re one of the lucky ones mate, no one’s buying it.

Pyriall.1683:

People who keep talking about the slot machine act like it only happens to them. There are people who are making their way through divisions, solo queue and with terrible teammates. Yet, there you sit still blaming a system (it’s not perfect) for your losses while others are making their way through it.

Separately from that, get a team together. It solves all of your problems and you can’t blame the system any longer for your “slot machine” teammates.

I know you’re trying to be Anet’s white knight here but with a system this flawed, such options decrease the more players grow bored/boycott PvP. I’m one of the unfortunate ones whose on a constant losing streak and it’s not encouraging at all to keep trying, let alone bother doing something that automatically sets you up to lose every match.

Killface.1896:

Lot of player have stop ranked pvp do the MM system,long queue only happens to games with low player base.

This. After days of losing streaks without any way or method to get out of it I’ve thrown in the towel and honestly wouldn’t blame any other player(s) in a similar position doing the same. Anet really done kittened this one up.

PvPing right now is really really disheartening. While I’ve decided to throw in the towel after 3 years constantly PvPing and alongside that, very disillusioned by Anet’s development of the game since HoT came out. I personally carry no hope whatsoever that the next ‘update’ let alone the WvW overhaul is going to work.

It really works well when you easily make it to Sapphire with a new account while struggling to get past tier 1 Emerald with your main one. Tell me, how much did they pay you to make this thread Phil?

There won’t be many to ban by the end of this season mate. Anet should pull their kitten together instead and stop this crusade in destroying this decent game.

Is it any use to keep SoloQ when the system automatically puts you in the losing team?

Fay.2357:

Ohoni.6057:

No, that’s nonsense. That actually proves the opposite point you seem to believe it does. If a really great player is truly randomly placed each match, then from time to time he’d find himself on a hopeless team, and lose the match even if he personally killed twice as many players as anyone on the opposing team and held points or whatever the maximum total contribution a single character could make. In a fair distribution, even the very best players out there would lose a match from time to time in solo queue.

What seems to be happening instead is that certain players keep getting matched with other good players. And since they win that match, the system says “hey, this guy is good, let’s match him with more good players!” And then he wins that match, and the system says “hey, this guy is good, let’s match him with more good players!” and repeat until he gets into the top tiers, whether or not that player was significantly responsible for his team’s outcome in each match (and therefore better than average himself).

Your entire argument boils down to ‘The system is randomly picking some people and making them win’. This is the very quintessence of absurdity.

It’s true though, that’s the sad part.

My question right now is; How do you work around the constant losing-loophole you risk finding yourself in?

kdaddy.5431:

im 11-0 on my warrior, the statements about warrior being terrible is false. We are now average.

High MMR, you’re getting carried.

Silberfederling.9302:

I fully understand you and that is why i suggest this to you:
Delete this threat now, unless you are prepared to take the incomming l2p kittenstorm.
This subforum is for demigods. Stay away unless you can take dozens of salty and enraged defenders of a system that works for them because they are 360 no scope pros.
You can not win anything here move on and return once the next season starts and the balancing bat killed of the last remaining heavy armor builds.
Run you fool the reapers are comming

Everyone knows the “lol L2P” answers are obsolete by now, nice try though.

It actually is worse than the last season’s. Does anyone have an idea how the matches are calculated? (As in the full math)

Dawdler.8521:

Haythere.7513:

Just because you play on a NA server doesn’t mean non-prime play or more specifically the time YOU don’t play is nightcapping . It also doesn’t mean that it is for the “express purpose” of running up PPT or that you want to be bored out of your mind with no opposition.

I dont play on a NA server. And yes, it still mean that nightcappers do it for the express purpose of getting extreme PPT without opposition. That’s what nightcappers do. That’s what nightcapping is.

Nightcapping is alot like the oasis event. You can claim its disgusting PvE that has no place in WvW all you like or pretend like it doesnt exist, it wont change the fact that when the enemy start doing it you either do it better or you loose. Simple as that.

It may be a lot like the Oasis event but it ain’t used as a main ‘ingredient’ to conclude a MU in short-time spans (In most occasions) without any kind of competition to counter the server devouring all the PPT.

BlueBoy.1236:

Zenral.3958:

BlueBoy.1236:

#IGot99ProblemsButNightCappingAintOne

This is why wvws gone kitten. Ppl always claimed changes are needed, but look at what happened when they changed the upgrade system and lord rezzing.

Wvw has survived 3 years with nightcapping, and the only server who was really affected by this is SoR. Things were worse also because some cmdrs suddenly decided to quit altogether. I say, leave it as it is. You guys are playing pvp and what you care is those three numbers on top of your screen? You don’t even get any kitten reward for winning

That is a typical point of view from someone who hasn’t read through this thread, let alone other peoples’ povs. Nightcapping is a problem and has always been a problem in WvW, which is also one of the core reasons why bandwagoners exist and also why people avoid WvW when they see their servers losing.

In theory, PPT shouldn’t matter, that’s true. But to the vast majority it does and that fact cannot be dismissed no matter what you try to say.

What is this “vast majority” you are talking about? I’ve been here since the glorious TCvFAvDB, and have been in many servers who have terrible matchup against off-hour servers like DB and SoS, and honestly, I’ve never seen any drop in playerbase due to those matchups. The only trend I saw is that ppl just became less inclined in upgrading the keeps. You wanna knw what keeps ppl away from wvw? When your server is getting stomped everywhere during RESET night. That reason alone is enough to scare ppl for the whole week.

I would have expected this kind of complain from a person who thinks nightcapping is the cause of ppl bandwagon. YB, Kaineng, SBI, and HoD never had nightcapping army before ppl bandwagon there, but you probably never knw about that

And a typical indivudal who uses Tarnished Coast, Dragonbrand and Fort Aspenwood as examples. This is the reason the game is now in it’s current alarmingly dying state. You fail to see how the lower tiers and communities suffer from the inbalance brought by nightcapping, which is something I stated thourougly in my first posts (Page 1 and 2). I suggest you go back a few pages and read through some of the good points brought by people instead of being locked into how solely you find yourself enjoying the game.

Like I told someone in my previous pages, your kind of mentality is the reason people are leaving and people will continue to leave. Ontop of that I’ve been a nightcapper myself, been in night crews and it’s only so much fun until you realize how it kills competition and makes the losing server(s)’ population look for other options or ways to make up for the lack of competition brought by nightcappers.