Guild Wars 2

Title says pretty much all. I have been playing GW2 with my engineer main and got 2 other 80s. Currently running the dps meta. Skilled and social player with years of experience across multiple MMOs.

Mine ain’t best named for sure…but I like it, and that’s fair enough for me.

(Vodras Cogspin, human)

Vodras Cogspin – engineer extraordinaire
In order: Gas Mask, Falconer, Magitech, Magitech, Viper, Magitech and Spinal Blades (which I hope to infuse soon!)

Would like any opinions on my new transmog set. It’s a mix of Viper, Magitech, Falconer. (and of course the gas mask)

-Vodras Cogspin

As I’ve already said I’m not excluding Mordremoth to be the one controlling them…because as you said, Blurk, if it was him, it had to be a tactical manoveur.
With all the magic aboard I’d say that’s quite a tactical strike for a magic-devouring dragon. Just like Zhaitan had the Mouth to deliver him magical energy regularly, bringing the Zephyr Sanctum down from the sky might be a very wise tactic orchestrated by Mordremoth to feed upon magic…as that’s what dragons are all about after all.

I still feel strange about the increased intellectual capabilities of these two sylvaris though…

Erukk, I know, but I never thought such a thing…it doesn’t sound right.
What I believe is that I find it rather strange that so far our Mordremoth’s agents have both shown engineering and increased intellectual capabilities.
I also have to say that I wouldn’t have chosen this theory wasn’t it for the Scarlet holorecording bit…but once again, I’m not totally excluding Mordremoth for being the only one responsible for this increased “geniality”.
I mean, Aerin was a TRADER, a MERCHANT. I totally exclude the possibility that he was capable of such things BEFORE he was corrupted….
We still do not know much of him, let alone know if his minions have boosted intelligence and such. So far the other Elder Dragons have shown a totally different way of corrupting…Icebroods get magical and physical prowess, Primordus doesn’t corrupt at all for what we know, Zhaitan corrupts mind and body as well just like Kralkatorrik. Some retain a portion of their minds, some do not.

We can assume that either Mordremoth’s corruption leads to increased intelligence or that Mordremoth is itself an intelligent dragon, capable of organizing his own awakening and granting Scarlet increased engineering skills while manipulating her.

Or that someone else managed all of this…

Not Scarlet, not Aerin, not Mordremoth.
And no, I’m not talking about who sabotaged the Zephyrites.

As soon as I faced Aerin in combat, I noticed strong similarities between him and Scarlet:
1) Both are Sylvari
2) Both are engineers, although not at the same level.
Scarlet studied HARD to get to the level of geniality and engineering skills we know of.

Can we say the same about our dear….Trader Aerin? (http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/29mrm5/a_little_background_on_a_certain_saboteur/)
As you can see, before departing with the Zephyrites, Aerin was not in the smallest way either an assassin or someone capable of creating a large and varied quantity of grenades and explosives.

This rang me a bell, that rang again when I went through Scarlet’s old base in Prosperity.
From the speeches and holorecordings, we apprehend that Scarlet struggles ALOT, initially, to create working steam creatures and portals.
Then, all of a sudden, she “happens” (quote: “I may have created…”) to create an intelligent steam “brain”, as she puts it. A steam brain that will develop more advanced versions of the portals that she couldn’t get to stabilize properly…
Also, when you examine the Steam Minotaur head as an engineer, you discover that it was a very rude and crude version that not even OUR personal character would have made. (IMAGE: http://i.imgur.com/352zKqC.jpg )
In my eyes, it is implied that, before Ceara started to become Scarlet, she was a very intelligent sylvari but not as intelligent and genius to do what she did.

Anyway, this made me think about what Scarlet said in the holorecordings we examined in the Dead End’s tavern.
Let me report one particular sentence for you…
“Ever since I came out of Omadd’s machine, you’ve been taking credit for my ideas. They are mine! Not yours.”

I was very much convinced that the entity behind Scarlet and Aerin is Mordremoth. This would make alot of sense (with the madness of both Aerin and Scarlet, and even the fact that the main monsters we fight off while battling with Aerin are in fact jungle tendrils and overgrown husks which are, in my opinion, Mordremoth’s minions) and its been my ongoing theory since a year. (I held many discussions about Mordremoth and Sylvari being linked, even when it wasn’t acknowledged by anyone, not even by Konig. But to this day it seems I was right).

The fact that gets me thinking is that it is implied that what these two characters have been capable of doing and achieveing is not their work….and that has always been crystal clear.
But does Mordremoth’s corruption, besides causing split personalities and general madness, also increase one’s engineering and intellective capabilities (in Aerin’s case from 0 to at least decent).

The question is: is it Mordremoth itself infusing his minions with superior intelligence when he corrupts them (which I dont think is the case) or is it someone else working with and on these individuals? Someone who is either linked with Mordremoth or gains something by awakening him.

My new theory is that some other entity, be it a Mursaat or something/someone we haven’t yet heard of (hell, maybe it is even Mr E), is setting things in motion and pulling the strings behind all of this. Someone, or something, capable of partially controlling people and enhancing them. We have been told that it was Scarlet’s grand plan to re-awaken Mordremoth.
I think it is someone’s else grand plan to reawaken Mordremoth to achieve something else – be it destruction or something we will be introduced later.

macvanilla.4631:

@arlowix

The problem I have with your theory is, why would an Elder Dragon go through the effort consuming action of creating intelligent life, just to break their will and corrupt them. Why not create obedient minions from the start. Primordus does the same while all the others don’t even bother with spawning their own minions (though I don’t know if that is true, because the Claw of Jormag and The Shatterer look pretty artificial).

Well, if making Sylvari is effort consuming and should be avoided by an Elder Dragon, then the same logic can be applied to any Elder Dragon, really. If it takes effort to create Sylvari, so would Destroyers, Risen, Icebrood, etc.

Returning your statement/question, if Sylvari are later proved to be Mordremoth’s minions then we will also know why a part of them is and why a part of them isn’t. (That assuming the Nightmare Court ARE minions like I believe them to be, or that Malyck’s tree is indeed corrupted. It seems that Malyck is confident there IS a tree in Magus Falls and that he is from there. But for all we know, that tree could not exist at all, althought I totally do not think this is the case, or could be in jeopardy/civil war/corrupted).
To better answer your question: they weren’t meant to be free by Mordy, but something or someone did set them free.

macvanilla.4631:

Also for the part that Malyck is not under Mordremoth’s influence because he drifted away. Why would Scarlet get under its influence in the first place if the range was to short. We already know that dragons can corrupt and influence while being thousands of miles away. I don’t think you can apply something like distance here.

I was applying proximity to Malyck (and while I may agree that’s not a strong point, I was more about the general thought of: Malyck’s pod drifted away so that he didn’t undergo a severe corruption due to Mordremoth’s proximity/whatever corruption method is that it is used in Magus Falls, assuming there is one), but not to Scarlet.
As I see it, Scarlet unlocked a part of her mind previously barred off somehow (and that could be for all Sylvari in my theory). So it’s not really a corruption per se, but rather a restoration of her true nature. Why only Scarlet was corrupted isn’t a mystery, but rather a side effect of Omadd’s machine.
Why didn’t Mordremoth corrupt Caithe or any other Sylvari? Because their mental protection is still strong and up, unlike Scarlet’s after the Omadd machine incident.

EDIT: The possible candidates for the liberation of Sylvari from their original corruption may obviously be the Forgotten. Or any other thing they decide to introduce. But I would like to see a return of the Forgotten.

As the creator of this thread I feel compelled to say to everyone: stop. This thread has derailed to the point of a defense/offense by and to Konig. I didn’t mean to transfer the attention on him and I want to clarify that while I strongly disprove of Konig’s attitude towards anyone with different opinions than him, I think my words have been misunderstood. I respect you Konig, I read your articles on Guildmag, I followed closely threads on GW2Guru (shall I mention I noticed the same attitude), and I think you’re one of the most authorable persons about GW lore.

But I presented a DISCUSSION thread here, so let’s get back to the point. It had to be a brainstorming. I had put my input; I NEVER put my words as to say I were totally right, or that my theory was the real thing.

Now, back to the point of this threa: I chose to follow a thought a-la Occam’s Razor. If Arenanet is pointing towards something, then most probably that’s the direction they chose to go. My points are not actual facts, but they do make sense.
Seriously, with all the regions they could put Mordremoth, they chose Magus Falls. With the recent reveals it looks to unlikely that Mordremoth is not tied somehow with Sylvari – and sorry for saying it for the 10th time, but 8-9 months ago we were arguing about the fact that NO sylvari had ever been corrupted and that they couldn’t be.
But denying that Scarlet WAS corrupted is looking at truth and facing away.

I hope this thread can return to its original purpose: to discuss about what’s probably going to be a major plot point in the next LS. (hey, just my opinion)

Aethelbert.1497:

The problem with your assumptions is that you have a point and looking for a proof. The fact that Caera saw something in Omadd’s cube suggests, as Rata Sum ambassador said at some point, that she released something that was inside her all along, and that something was under ‘quarantine’, guarded by the, some would say, the Dream of Dreams.

Exactly. Every single line put in the LS was meant to give insight to the real reasons behind everything. Do you really mean that in that particular story istance, of ALL the correct answers, the one Vorpp gives is the only one that is wrong? It’s clearly put by Anet to give us some insight…and foreshadowing.

How can one release something inside himself if that something wasn’t present since the beginning? And if that something coincides with Mordremoth or a darker nature of the Sylvari, doesn’t that make the Sylvari true nature Mordremoth/Nightmare/whatever it is?

What I struggle with, Konig, and the very reason I make very few forum posts is that it’s hard to counteract your (occasionally flawed) logic and assumptions (that you present as the ultimate truth), because your wording is very, very well put and elusive.
Why cite months or even year-old posts made by the Devs? You know better than me (again) that those do not matter as you want them to.
Take a language. A language is made of things used in the present. What words were used in the past hold no significance to the actual spoken language.
In the same way, things in the GW universe changed alot. Retcons were made, and old dev posts were contradicted.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

On sylvari being corrupted: A sylvari’s physical appearance being drastically changed into something not normal – thus more than likely requiring a new in-game model – as well as, and this is the more important part, a psychological change to show fanaticism towards a dragon.

With Scarlet, all we have is some minor skin alterations of unknown origin and, truth be told, unknown effect – Elder Dragon corruption changes something to a specific element (Jormag to ice, Primordus to fire, Kralkatorrik to crystal, Zhaitan to decay and rot), either slowly over time or immediately, but in either case it is obvious (Jormag and Primordus are slowly over time, but even then – when Primordus corrupts flesh, it becomes encased in stone first before melting into lava/fire; when Jormag corrupts flesh, the skin turns to ice before the insides do – in either case, it’s obvious even with the youngest stages of corruption). Not only this, but that yellow growth only appears in the cinematic, not in-game.

And when we go to the psyche, the only hint of dragon corruption we have from Scarlet is “Tyria will bow to a new master” – which is very generic, and for all we know might not even be talking about Mordremoth (yeah, the likelihood of that being the case is extremely thing but hey, you never know).

I would like to point out a few things. First of all, we have no idea at all of the way Mordremoth corrupts (or, as you say, if he even does) but saying that Scarlet wasn’t corrupted by him is a denial stance towards what we seen ingame.

You know better than me (I know you do) that the reason that those yellow strains on her face aren’t present in her ingame model is just pure lazyness. Because by that logic we could argue that what we saw in the cinematic ain’t true: we could put in discussion the direction the ley lines went or if it was even Mordremoth that awoken, but we know this isn’t the case.

Leaving my Nightmare Court – Mordremoth theory apart, what I suppose (since that’s what everyone’s doing and I think my opinions weight as much as yours) is that Mordremoth IS able to corrupt, though he acts more like Primordus, by shaping minions of its own (husks, maybe wurms, and generally corrupting creatures not in the Dream, like the Wurm in Wychmire Swamp). Scarlet was unprotected from the Dream, and thus allowed partial possession of her mind. Partial because we know how MUCH Scarlet strived for independence and what a great personality she had after all (social psycho apart).
I wouldn’t consider Scarlet fully corrupted. I’d define her half corrupted, half manipulated.
Mordremoth was asleep, and that may justify why he hasn’t/wasn’t able to fully corrupt and control Scarlet making her a real, obedient champion. She was still her minion, but her great willpower allowed her to retain a part of free will against a still-dormant Elder Dragon.

EDIT: About your last mention of Sylvari’s immunity. How can we even consider how they react against Mordremoth if by the time that post was made we barely knew at all what the jungle dragon’s name was? We have absolutely no idea of how he corrupts, or if he does at all. I’m sorry, but that article isn’t as important for me as it is for you.

Konig, I didn’t come with this theory off my hat. I was criticized by you already in my old thread, yet I have to see anything that disproves my theory. Shall I mention the fact that Ceara is clearly corrupted by Mordremoth, while in my very first thread we had a discussion in which you were ultimately going to say that it’s impossible to say that Sylvari can actually be corrupted? It would look like you weren’t quite right, by the last patch.

Anyway, " he was proof that they didn’t need to corrupt the Pale Tree in order to have the sylvari race fall to Nightmare – knowledge of him meant that they could burn the Pale Tree and start “anew” with Malcyk’s tree". This is correct.
However I did not point my attention towards that, but towards the general Nightmare Court-ish belief that the “Nightmare is the true nature of the Sylvari”.

“Proximity means nothing” for the aforementioned examples. Can you actually disprove this theory at the moment? There’s more pointing towards my theory, since
it is heavily implied that there is either Mordremoth’s influence (or one of his champion’s) in Wychmire Swamp.

About your last point, your hatred towards any kind of new thread (and trust me, I visit the Lore section DAILY. No one outright stated what I said) made you irrational. Mordremoth not plant-based? Come on. We really don’t need any confirmation on that.

P.S: I didn’t want this to be a speculation thread based around MY theory, so I didn’t elaborate all the points – I wanted it to be a short read. But trust me, I could.

This is not a speculation but merely a discussion thread. I also added my own input and a theory in it but what I want is your opinion.
“…Malyck determines to head west, into Magus Falls, to find his people and tell them of the Grove, and to return with an army with which to fight the Elder Dragons.”
(quote from the wiki)

Seems like Malyck won’t have to go far to fight an Elder Dragon, now that Mordremoth has been awakened (in his own neighbourhood).
The coincidence here is so striking that it’s hard not to think that this is a subtle confirmation of the fact that Mordremoth and the Sylvari are somehow connected – at least Malyck’s tree – and that we will get this confirmation in the next LS.

I also want to add out that, during the sylvari personal story, the Nightmare Courtiers want to get their hands on Malyck at all costs because he is the ultimate proof that the Dream is a facade and that the Nightmare is the true nature of the Sylvari. (at least that’s what they say)
Does that ring a bell?
It seems another strange “coincidence” that Malyck’s tree is where Mordremoth is. What I am saying is that Malyck’s supposed tree and Mordremoth may be the same thing.
Being the Nightmare Court, for me at least, (already said in a thread I made when such theories were young and new) connected with Mordremoth as well, it would go like this:
The Nightmare Court rejected the Dream for their “true” nature, the Nightmare, as intended dragon minions.
Malyck comes from a tree which, apparently, hasn’t fully blossomed yet (or if it did, its children didn’t get in touch -yet- with the other great five races, either as dragon minions or friendly sylvaris). This tree may be Mordremoth itself. How Malyck escaped his influence (or if they are born as dragon minions at all) is impossible to speculate at the moment, even though one could say Malyck is free of any influence (again: if there was any) because his pod drifted away for quite a few miles.

Miltek.2104:

This one.
I love firestorm , he’s so big compared to asura ^^

What the HELL is that thing in the background?

Gizmo Tozlep, magical entrepreneur and evil vanquisher at your service!

Meteorlogicus and the Predator for me!

Thinking it would be Primordus, seems very improbable and…forced.
What are the points pointing towards Primordus? The RED vine? Just because Primordus is red…. really?
The ancient cave network under LA where destroyers were buried (and that should mean that NO destroyers are around) during EOTN? I highly doubt it.
Besides OP’s points, which I do not see as “points”, I can’t see any other proof towards the Primordus theory.
Just because Primordus was the first to arise, it doesn’t actually mean anything.

“Primordus dwells deep in the earth”: well, I don’t actually see Mordremoth flying around too, so he must be somewhere hidden, maybe underground, too. P.S: The three-headed jungle wurm dwells underground, too. But if it had to be a minion of any dragon, then we know whose minion it would be.

Primordus loves Fire and Earth minion, I’ll give you that. Scarlet formed such an alliance in the first place, as you said….but does Toxic Alliance ring any bell for you?

The painting in Scarlet’s Lair may look like Primordus for you, but truth is, we know more or less how Primordus looks…and that looks like no Primordus for me. But then, we might both be wrong on the subject.

About your last point, “The leylines is how the Asura powered their gate network with magic bleeding from Primodus.” you’re contradicting yourself. It was never stated that ley lines were actually how Asura powered their network. On the other hand, we know that the Central Transfer Chamber was built around Primordus because he irradiated so much magic (but not ley lines).

I hold no grudge against you Camarell, but I can’t see how it could be Primordus.
Last, and probably the most important thing: Primordus, generally, DOES NOT CORRUPT. It’s one of the few facts we know about him. He just prefers to bash everything in the face with his Destroyers minion…but does not corrupt. It wouldn’t make much sense lore-wise for Primordus to corrupt, since all he actually does is destroying. (have you ever heard of a minion – a corrupted person – of Primordus?)

I believe Kasmeer’s outcome is one out of this three (the first two may also lead to her death/demise):
1) Shown to be Scarlet, as OP said. Scarlet has been shown to USE us to make her toxin alot more powerful. Well guess who broke through the wall of illusion placed around the Tower of Nightmares? That’s right, our dear Kasmeer. And the fact she went directly to touch the giant pod may be how Scarlet got her more powerful sample. (Even though it could make sense, I do not think this is the case unless Scarlet was also retconned to be a powerful mesmer or inventor of a device that lets her alter reality – her and others’).
2) Her contact with the pod will come handy in dealing with the Toxin Scarlet is (presumably) going to launch at us and at creating a more-powerful antitoxin. (as DarcShriek said)
3) She might probably die of said contact with the pod, and die in a heartbreaking-epic last fight scene against Scarlet or Scarlet’s creations. However I don’t think this is the case: we would have at LEAST ONE hint of said illness by Kasmeer…she looks quite fine in the last patch.

Well that just makes things worse. I really don’t think they have made up her character in just one patch, during the Tower of Nightmares. Introducing her all of a sudden so late just adds to my question. (thank you for your response)

I totally agree with OP. I’l going to make a weak comparison with Rift: base game was only about Regulos and another dragon. In ONE patch they finished off another two. The xpac was about the last dragon, and between each of these updates there were several other story arcs.

Just making up new super-enemies can be quite hard though.
Just look at how much these forums hate Scarlet.

So until they actually have a good new idea for new super-enemies they should probably take their time with the Dragons.

While I agree with OP, I can’t agree with you Lordkrall. I agree that the majority of the forum hated Scarlet.
Do you see any hate posts about Scarlet at the moment? Everyone wants this story arc to end but nobody truly hates Scarlet anymore, because they added DEPTH and everyone came to understand and be curious about her character.

I believe that future villains are going to be structured far better than the way Scarlet was. Anet showed (at least for me) that they could understand from their errors…hopefully they won’t repeat the same mistakes again.

With the introduction of Taimi in the recent patch, many people actually wonder why she popped out all of a sudden. She’s actually been around since the Toxic Nightmare update. (remember the npc in the camp talking of an Asuran girl wandering with her golem?)

First of all, I want to compliment with A-net with the writing of Taimi. Her lines aren’t ridicolous. She’s smart and she shows it in every sentence (without being trivial or ordinary). I normally am not a fan of female NPCs but seeing finally (Marjory apart) a female character straying aside from the “beautiful woman, half intelligence” stereotype was great, expecially with how you added to the fact that she’s self made and fighting against that illness.

Now, Taimi was foreshadowed in the Toxic Nightmare update and only showed up (althought with NO background to support her at all) in the Origins of Nightmare update.
The Taimi character has been in the makings for months. While some things in the Living World are subject to change, I think that you had her planned out alot of months ago.

Why so late, ANET? A character so RICH, introduced so late. It’s truly a shame, as you had to coalesce her story quite quickly (in this and, hopefully, the next patch), while it could be dilationed in a longer span so that we get to know her gradually, not like most of the community did: “Who the hell is this Asuran showing up on the Marionette fight?”

P.S: please, feel free to add anything to this thread. Every comment is a precious addition.

I HATE posts like this so MUCH.

@Lorelei wish you included a more-detailed close-up image of your necromancer’s face. You achieved the pale/vampire-y/demonic-y/dark-side-y effect. She looks all of those.
The dyes are very good as they fit completely with her tattoos and hair.
I give her a 8/10 – as the fact that you included armor influenced me. Take it more like a 8.5/10.

Here is a picture of Vodras Cogspin, my “monster” (he stands out for size and height) of a human engineer.

Well, I did know of that, Astral Projections. While I thank you of your kind and well-spoken manner, I’m no newbie and unfortunately I won’t delete my main and various alts just to go back to Seafarer. I put too much time in my characters.
Since it was a mistake I thought it would be possible to get some comprehension and human understanding….but I think I already know the answer, unfortunately.

P.s: If you have any other help I could use, I would be glad to listen.

The title says it all…during the “free” transfers period in which you could move to a low-population server for free, I accidentally actually transferred from Seafarer’s Rest to Ruins of Surmia.
At first I didn’t even realize I moved of servers, but after a couple of days I relogged and saw that I was on Ruins of Surmia.

What am I asking is: is there anyway to go back to Seafarer? Spending 1800gems for a simple mistake isn’t very far. I didn’t even know in which category to submit a ticket, because there was none for matters like this.

Any answer is appreciated. Thank you.

Title is pretty self-explanatory. I unfortunately transferred by mistake on Ruins of Surmia from Seafarer’s Rest. I’m looking in a guild which delves into:

• Dungeon/fractal runs
• WvW
• Roleplaying and lore

While roleplaying/lore is a great plus, it is not mandatory for me. I’m also NOT interested in a silent guild. I want people to speak, to greet and to be social, otherwise I would not look for one.
Thank you

People are just mad at Scarlet for two reasons:
1) She is still alive.
2) We don’t know her motives.

1)Most of the playerbase of this game, but of any MMO in general, doesn’t want the villain to last for more than 3-4 patches in the case of Living World.
Well, we always go like: (after the antagonist is dead) “Wow, the villain was such a kitten. He could have just done <insert obvious tactic to kill heroes> or <insert obvious way to evade the heroes and bide its time>”

Now, for ONCE, we have the villain achieve almost impossible feats, but reasonable after all (even for lore fanatics like me…but that’s just my opinion), like uniting whole armies of different races and beliefs, and, at the same time, act as a SMART-minded person, playing behind the scenes while not getting captured like a total kitten.

2)We can’t understand the length of what Scarlet had to go through even BEFORE delving deep inside the Eternal Alchemy and (supposedly) go “crazy”. We also don’t know why she is doing all of this.
Do you think the storywriters seriously made her attack the whole of Tyria just because she went nuts? We have yet to see her motives.
I believe that once the story finally unfolds (and it’s gonna take some more LW stories) most of the Scarlet haters will believe the storywriters done a great job and will in turn either outright love her character or at least understand why she did all of this.

Time will tell.

It is quite easy to find out, Holy Whirlwind: unfortunately, it is not the Kessex Peak castle, but a tower constructed by krait in the center of Viathan Lake (Kessex Hills). This can also be observed (apart from invisible barrier that is present right now ingame at Kessex Hills) from the trailer: in the closing portion of the Tower of Nightmare trailer, you can easily see boats on the right, and the big Tower in the distance.
From the trailer, you can see that those boats are seen from Triskell Quay, a fisher village in Kessex Hills, and that the Tower of Nightmare is at the center of Lake Viathan.

I hope I was complete in my answer.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

1. Malyck (acts more like Caithe than any Nightmare Courtier; the NC even wanted to corrupt him).
2. Immunity (unique unto sylvari and, indirectly, Forgotten).
3. Nothing to disconnect the Pale Tree from Mordremoth’s corruption (it requires unique magic – that like the Forgotten’s or the gray gemstones Snaff found, the latter only breaking mental ties and thus wouldn’t even free a dragon minion).

Here’s a question for you: Why would Mordremoth – who’s last awakening was centuries if not millenniums before humanity arrived on the world – create humanoid minions when all other dragon minions are more draconic the more powerful they become (and the weaker they are, the more like their previous form they are – exception being Destroyers, made in mockery of living beings)?

If you take the time to read my whole theory about Sylvari, you’ll see how I answer your question. (thanks for the time you took to read this post. People like you and anyone who intervenes on the lore forum sparks a smile on my face)

In my theory, the seeds were actually Mordremoth’s own creation: his … “Investement” for when he’d wake up again. Put in better words: his future army.
He creates the seeds and has some of his servants watch over them for when the time for their use would come. Eventually, Ronan inadvertitely jeopardized the whole plan by killing the caretakers and taking the seed.

In this theorycraft, I’m asserting that the seeds were Mord’s creations.
And here comes the Pale Tree: Melandru’s intervention. The Pale Tree acts as the Sylvari’s caretaker, and tries as hard as possible to preserve its children from Nightmare. The Dream is either Melandru’s creation as well or Melandru directly oversees it: either way, she would have interest in preserving it against Mordremoth which is costantly trying to corrupt it.
Maybe Melandru’s creation of the Dream is vital to her plan of preserving the Sylvari against Nightmare: through a shared consciousness she allows the Pale Tree to better fare against Nightmare.

TL;DR: Mordremoth creates the seeds for future Sylvari to act as his army during his next awakening. Unfortunately, Ronan comes, kills the seeds’s guardians and plants one of the seeds. Melandru intervenes by freeing the Pale Tree of Mord’s influence, foreseeing and knowing that Mordremoth would directly oppose her (or at least, corrupt her domain (nature) during her absence…or corrupt the Dream, since it could make sense that it is Melandru’s creation or at least that she is connected to it). Meanwhile, the seeds in the cave meet other fates: we know for sure that at least another one makes it out of the cave and goes to create another whole tree, that later nurtures Malyck. This one, however, was not foreseen nor did Melandru know about it: hence the lack of the shared consciousness known as the Dream.

• While writing of this theory, I came to realize of a fallacious point in it: if Melandru didn’t watch over Malick’s tree, hence the lack of the Dream, but how comes it is free of Mordremoth’s influence?
  Simply put: none of the seeds were actually corrupted. It probably was a process that would have been developed by its guardians or by Mordremoth itself only later. And that would explain why both the trees (Pale and Malyck’s) aren’t corrupted, and why one has the Dream, while the other hasn’t.

Thanks everyone for their thoughts. I want to theorycraft and think with you again.

Until this post, I always disproved the theory that the Nightmare Court might indeed be Sylvari’s original purpose. However during the fights and dialogues with Nightmare Court it is quite evident that their main point is “Our minds have been opened: we see the truth behind our nature as Sylvari. We will fight you to show you the truth too”. Just like Ysvelta does, or thinks, during the assault on Astorea. She’s very confident she leads the attack to free the “shackled” Sylvari of the Pale Tree.

I always thought it was every Nightmare Courtier’s twisted mind to speak, and that their “true” vision of the Sylvari nature was nothing but blind fanaticism and Mordy’s corruption speaking.

But the point is, every Courtier is quite convinced of that. One could argue: “Well even Jormag’s minions say that Dragon is the strongest Spirit of the Wild, or that they are superior to other non-icebrood Norns. That doesn’t mean they are right.”
But still, let’s assume they know something we don’t.
Their main point is that they have accessed a superior truth – the one and the only. While I disproved of every theory that submitted the Sylvari as Mordremoth’s creation, I think that it could be possible. Mordy’s corruption, under this perspective, assumes more the form of “restoring them to the purpose Mordremoth wanted them to have”. And the Sylvari as rebels fighting for higher ideals.

I know I’m probably not saying anything new but I want to see why you wouldn’t say that the Sylvari are Mordremoth’s creation.
After all, we know nothing about the seeds in the cave. Just stop for a moment and think: what creature holds so much power and magic to create an entire race?
It’s either Melandru or Mordremoth for me. The fact that Mordremoth has been described as “vegetation” dragon all adds to the fact that the cave that contained the seeds was protected by plant-like humanoids.

It all makes sense to me. Does it for you?

While I would love to agree with you and say that Mad King Thorn really is Mordremoth or viceversa, Erridein, I believe that it cannot exist, as Aaron pointed out.

I’ll just leave this here:
1302 AE – the Sylvari race is created. The Nightmare Court is created only after this date, as it is created by the Secondborn Caydern (and that means some time later 1302 AE)
1079 AE – believed to be the date in which the Lunatic Court began to be operative.

This is the point, Narcemus (by the way, thanks for your replies): even the strongest will eventually fall.
I want to make another comparison, if you are familiar with either the Mass Effect or Lovecraft universe for istance. (even though I think the Mass Effect example applies better to our case)
I want to compare the Reaper’s Indoctrination to our “mental corruption” applied by Jormag or Mordremoth.
Nobody of the indoctrinated was actually conscious of being indoctrinated: they just fell deeper into it until they were fully corrupted…err, I mean indoctrinated. And not a single being was able to withstand the indoctrination. The same thing applies to Cthulu making people insane…his own way of corrupting people.

The point of corruption is that at some point, through multiple means and ways, everyone is corruptible. (Hell, I could even say think Two Face of Batman – from paladin of justice to villain or even more, Arthas from WoW).

While not all of my examples may apply FULLY to our case – that is, Jormag and Mordremoth’s corruption – that is my way of seeing the dragon corruption.

As you say, the Voice of Koda didn’t choose to join Jormag, but eventually its mind and will was broken.
Now I ask you: who more than the Voice of Koda would resist Jormag’s hold?
Who more than a person whose home was pushed miles away from its real, resting place?
Who more than someone who had to lead his people through multiple dangers caused by Jormag and that also had to witness her friends and own race die by its minions?

But, eventually, she became a minion of Jormag.
My point is (with all the examples and comparisons) that no one is unbreakable – and that means that no one truly has a choice. They can prolong the inevitable with their willpower, stamina and intellect, but eventually, everyone can and would be corrupted.

edit: I await your, and anyone’s, point of view. Please contribute to this discussion with your thoughts.

1) Bloodstones. Where are they now and either what/who is using them OR what are they doing to those near it?
2) Malyck’s other tree. The truth about Sylvari.
3) Wizard’s Tower.
Edit: Actually I’m gonna put Viathan’s Lake current state on top of the list. It’s my hear beating for a possible living story finally dealing with Bubbles.

I still do not realize why everyone says that Sylvari are actually immune from all dragon’s corruption. While what I’m about to say it’s pure speculation, it sounds quite logical to me. (and maybe, not to you)
Sylvari’s bodies cannot be corrupted, I’ll give that to you.

• But what do you think the Nightmare is?
• What do you think originated it?
• Why does the Nightmare affect so much one individual’s mind to the point where one absolutely cannot go back to the Dream?
  (as hinted during the Sylvari’s personal storyline:
  “<Player name>: So, it’s true. Once you join the Nightmare Court, you change. Ysvelta can’t return to the Dream.”
  And also:
  “Ysvelta: Oh, dear heart. The nightmare hasn’t deceived me. It has freed me! It can free you, as well. Leave behind Ventari’s shackles and take my hand.
  Ysvelta: Together we will conquer Astorea, and then the Grove. We will bring nightmare to the Pale Tree herself—and free our people, forever.
  <Player name>: Look at her, Tiachren. Nightmare has changed her. Is this really the woman you love?
  Tiachren: No. Ysvelta wouldn’t say such a thing. You’re right. I’ve truly lost her. There is no return from nightmare. I see that, now.”)

The point is, we all believe the corruption has to manifest physically, through mutations or such. We believe it has to be evident. And while we can’t be certain that the “Shadow of the Dragon poisoning the Dream”, to quote Caithe, isn’t truly Mordremoth’s shadow (actually most of the characters ingame point it to be Zhaitan’s shadow), I have very strong reasons to believe so.

• Why would the Dream be attacked by Nightmare Hounds and not by Risen then?
• What could corrupt the Dream, if not its direct opposite, the Nightmare generated by Mordremoth? Surely, this isn’t the work of a mere Sylvari, not of Faolain, not of Cadeyrn, but of a greater force.

“But arlowix, you’re just making things up. There’s no connection between the Nightmare (and the Nightmare court, of course) and Mordremoth!”

There is no prove, but there is loads of evidence pointing towards that. And I’m trying to see if you see it as well, or I’m just a fool.

• Why would the Great Jungle Wurm rise near Twilight Arbor? (p.s: the GJW is clearly pointed to originate from a darker being from within Wynchmire Swamp by Gamarien.)
• Why would the Summoned and Blighted Husks be present in Twilight Arbor?
• Why shouldn’t the Nightmare Court be the corrupted MINIONS of Mordremoth?

Every single Icebrood, for istance, thinks their lifestyle is a choice of their own. They think choosing Dragon as a Spirit of the Wild grants them strength and power. What I want to point out is, they THINK they are choosing Jormag, while (and there is load of evidence through multiple dialogues which I’m not even going to point) the truth is that they are corrupted by Jormag. They do not realize they are corrupted, they think their will is their own, and that they are choosing Jormag just because he’s superior as a Spirit of the Wild. But the sad truth is, they are NOT free-thinkers. Believing to have made a choice doesn’t actually mean you did it.

Why did I digress so much? I’m just trying to prove the connection between Nightmare Court – Mordremoth and Icebrood – Jormag (I mean, that the way they corrupt is similar). Maybe to all you who are reading this, it seems quite obvious. But I read the lore forum costantly, and document myself in the game and on the wiki, and I never saw anyone highlighting this. On the other hand, I see everyone’s defending the Sylvari’s incorruptibility while it is so crystal-clear and under our very eyes that they ARE corrupted.
Example: Norn choosing to follow the Hare spirit (yes, there are) are Norns making a choice. Icebroods are not.
In the same way, I can say Soundless are Sylvari making an effective decision. Nightmare Court are not. They are just being corrupted.

I do not know if there are already multiple threads about what I wrote (I bet Konig already wrote this somewhere. As I couldn’t find this, I’ll just write it in my own words, and thoughts, and try to stir a discussion up).

What do you think?

Thanks for the very fast reply, but ain’t that a WvW build? I’m looking mainly for PvE builds

edit: or do you mean that’s viable for PvE too?

As the title says. I have grown very bored of the Flamethrower build lately and I want to switch to another, very different perspective: Supporting.

I’m open to all suggestions (as long as they reguard PvE and not WvW or PvP).
I’m looking for support builds and/or healing builds. Between the two I prefer the latter.

I’m asking you not only the builds, but if they are viable. Are healing based engineers actually useful in a dungeon (read: not necessarily speedclears) or they just suck at it?
Thanks everyone for future answers
(One last question: other than the GW2 forums and GW2builds.net, which I’m not very fond of, is there any site to check for builds?)

Salywana is appropriate for a Sylvari, I would rate it 8/10 if Sylvari, 6/10 everything else.

Mine is Vodras Cogspin, human engineer.

It’s just magitech…but I’m loving the looks no other armor gave me such satisfaction!

The title is pretty much self-explaining. I’m a skilled player returning back to GW2 after some months of inactivity.
I will be active for the next week, then I’ll cease to play for a while. From september onward, I should be very active regularly.

The main thing I need from a guild is thakittens members want to know each other and actively talk and socialize. Big plus if they also organize Dungeons Runs and WvW.
Let me know!

P.s: of course SF stands for Seafarer’s Rest

I done some research and, other than theorycrafting, I only found a concept art of that tower.
Those apparently lore-rich objects left undeveloped just develop my idea that Anet likes to play with us and that they do such things in order to use them in the future.
I can’t believe they paid a concept artist to do such a thing just to leave it rot without any further development…just like with our Wizard’s Tower.

I’m bringing back an old known fact, the Wizard’s Tower in Kessex Hill, to ask your opinion on this matter and also to ask you: are there any other hidden amenities in the world like this one?

Wizard’s Tower is a huge, floating island south of Wizard’s Fief. It is the home of the wizard Isgarren, who protects the nearby city of Garrenhoff with his elementals.
Some of the citizens do not really trust the elementals sent by their master, but most of the population do not really care, as they do all menial things and tasks that the citizens don’t want to do themselves. Examples:
-There is only one Town Guard, which is quite strange, that confirms that his job is more of an aestethic purpose than anything else, as the elementals also enforce law around the city.
-A mariner says that he loves travelling to the city, as the elementals unload his cargo without making him move a finger.
-A visitor also confirms that, as he says that you can pay for the elementals to bring you meals at the inn.

But nobody knows of their mysterious benefactor, Isgarren, who never left his floating city. A pair of persons however hint that not all is alright:
-A citizen says that while he does not really fear the elementals, he still senses angryness from them, and feels that they are forced to serve Garrenhoff’s population.
-A grandmother tells her nephew that she doesn’t trust the elementals, but she isn’t bothered much. The most important thing is that she tells us that other villages and citizens are called by Isgarren to join him on his floating city, but nobody actually ever returns (it is ironically dismissed by the grandmother by saying that they’re probably enveloped in their new, high-society lives to think of the outside world). She wishes to join them someday.
-It is confirmed by various citizens that the city would be destroyed by the elementals, if they were to attack it.

There are various theories about Isgarren’s true motives:
-We know that in Guild Wars 1 the floating castle had been under the focus of two organizations, one being the Cult of Verata, the other being the White Mantle itself (during War in Kryta). A villain named Garalth also tried to gain access to the tower, unsuccessfully just like the two organizations. It is confirmed that all of these people tried to gain entrance because the tower is filled with magic and arcane mysteries.
-Isgarren invites people to join in his tower so that he may transform them into elementals – thus giving a reason to the “sense of angryness” that the elementals give to some of the citizens.
-The White Mantle has successfully got into the tower and invites people who show magical capabilities. (this would recall the Test of the Chosen they conduct using the Eye of Jadir – those “Chosen” would later be sacrificed to a Bloodstone, so the theory that the Tower hosts a Bloodstone also pops up).

Any other theories?
I also ask you again: are there any other hidden mysteries in the world of Guild Wars? If so, please tell me and let me know your opinion.

Edit: keep in mind I didn’t do any search on the forums for two reasons, because I wanted new thoughts on the subject and mainly because I’m asking you to reveal any other strange things around the world (gigantic buildings, hidden things and such ameneties…let me know please).