I stopped watching 1/2 way through because the players you were fighting were so bad. It was the backpedling Necro with his useless thief buddy that did it for me. If you were too fight anyone 1/2 way decent who know how to dodge every now and then, your zerk war would just melt.
Finally , someone who isn’t a blind fanboy.
good job destroying people who don’t even have food/oil on with 25 stacks of bloodlust, 5 stacks of guard leech, and 5 stacks of applied fortitude
Good job bringing up something that doesn’t actually matter as the OP was outmanned the whole time. Seriously, credit where credits is due or prove otherwise. Feel free to post up your video of you taking opponents on 1vX.
This isn’t spvp, it’s WvW. If they didn’t have food or stacks then more fool them.
Yup, they are so bad that they dont even know about using food/oil. 25 stacks of bloodlust+5 stacks of guard leech is equal to having 10 stacks of might on you all the time. That certainly does make a huge difference.
I never commented on his skill level, just pointing out the fact that those buffs give a pretty big advantageOnly thing bad here is your trolling. What does a PvEr like you who farms all day to complete his legendary collection know about wvw?
Hes outnumbered so why shouldn’t he use those extra buffs to even the odds?
Anyways great video as always Raiden
Thinking that pve can complete a legendary collection is the reason you are buying my overpriced lemongrass. I’m just pointing out that those buffs give a huge advantage. I never said that he shouldn’t use them. Who am I to decide what he does? I am not his mom, neither am I trying to be like one.
good job destroying people who don’t even have food/oil on with 25 stacks of bloodlust, 5 stacks of guard leech, and 5 stacks of applied fortitude
Good job bringing up something that doesn’t actually matter as the OP was outmanned the whole time. Seriously, credit where credits is due or prove otherwise. Feel free to post up your video of you taking opponents on 1vX.
This isn’t spvp, it’s WvW. If they didn’t have food or stacks then more fool them.
Yup, they are so bad that they dont even know about using food/oil. 25 stacks of bloodlust+5 stacks of guard leech is equal to having 10 stacks of might on you all the time. That certainly does make a huge difference.
I never commented on his skill level, just pointing out the fact that those buffs give a pretty big advantage
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good job destroying people who don’t even have food/oil on with 25 stacks of bloodlust, 5 stacks of guard leech, and 5 stacks of applied fortitude
kitten I’m still at 8/12, bought 2 of them from the tp. Wish I hadn’t spent so much, would have at least 10k right now from doing some speculation with all that capital on hand.
Yeah yet you all hail to sentences like “less then X% of items are being successfully manipulated on the tp”
When i read that istantly i thougt “hey but less than 1% of tp items are in any demand…i don t think people are interested in lvl 4 White pistols…”
This section is totally biased..shows 0 data to support the great and nice TP and its full of partial information possibly given to derail arguments.
This is an issue that should at least once be discussed in general section with him and other devs and players because is surely a concern appeared more than once in the CDI….
This because we totally need a non biased point of view….its quite understandable an economist would push his favourite part of the game to central even if not supposed to.
That is why we need really a discussion in general section with Smith AND other devs.
P.S. its like a gamble ….on dices where you win 2X if any 2-12 happens and lose 10% if 1 happens….
Spectators will lose money if you win and will lose less if you lose…but they lose anyway because you play with part of their moneys and goods…As i said more intervention like crystalline dst would keep the market fair…but they refuse and instead try to preserve greedy speculators warning then of changes and stuff.
Best part is gold sellers are the winners here.
The most money you have the easier is to control the market.
But threads like this will definitely get moved over here, nothing you can do about it. You can consider posting on reddit instead of complaining here. It might be able to bring you closer to your goal.
No trust me its perfectly fair that i have to grind for hours daily giving my gold to you in order to play fractals and www while you sit on your pc making 100X what i do without even logging the game….
Perfectly fine….
You are helping the game you should be proud…..
And is it perfectly fair that your gold rate through fractals/wvw is much higher than players who choose to make money through gathering or even map exploration?
Why don’t we nerf your method down to that level?
Did you read when i said cutting few trees gives more money that the most difficult istance in the game?
And for your info ANY profitable source of gold in the game was nerfed since release…
All but the TP, the no risk free pvp minigame that gives 10-100X rewards of anything else in the game at the cost of people who doesn t want to participate.
That is what is wrong….
The TP has no risk?
Yeah I’m just gonna give up.
Should we deny that the risk is so little that you need to do it on purpose if you want to lose money?
Tell me how many people using frequently the TP for profit do you know losing moneys?
Except the newbies investing in gossamer (and everyone knew it was a bad move) i don t know anyone…….
Why don’t you do it then?
Well I’m doing it.
I think the problem is they made it too easy to make money from investing.
Due to all the limit event item and the enourmous amount of material needed for crafting/legendary, so anytime new information is released people horde items.
I try to make money from TP/AH in every game I play. I have to say this game made investing so easy. Almost all investment will go up in price.
Yes I loss money from investment also. It is just very rare. I hope real life stock market can be this easy.
Well, nothing we can do. There are no rules or limitations on the tp, you can use every illegal technique there is.
There was this game i played where there’s a limitation on how many items you can list for sale. (like, 5 lol) If there’s a way to stop this then its by implementing limitations.
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a good point that explains how for one year fractal 79 gave you less reward than cutting a tree.
Economy at its finest….
What about making prestigious items tied to skill rather than gold and tp flipping?I think there should be more desirable items that are outside of the TP – that’s the real solution in my opinion, not trying to adjust the TP so players can’t get rich.
Skilled player should be rich and not tp barons at the expenses of skilled players…..
People can be skilled in the TP. It’s not the easy “oh that item let’s flip that!” as you think it is.
I think that’s the problem. I thought it’s a game of roll playing, kill monster, doing dungeon, structure pvp, and realm vs realm…
Oh wait, it’s not, it’s a game of spreadsheet and auction house tychoon.
No one is forcing you. And you don’t need to make tedious spreadsheets, I just do speculation mostly. You can do it too! Just follow these 3 simple steps.
1) Identify an item that’s going to rise.
2) Buy said item from skilled players.
3) Sell them to skilled players at a higher price. (yes! rob their goldz!)
No trust me its perfectly fair that i have to grind for hours daily giving my gold to you in order to play fractals and www while you sit on your pc making 100X what i do without even logging the game….
Perfectly fine….
You are helping the game you should be proud…..
And is it perfectly fair that your gold rate through fractals/wvw is much higher than players who choose to make money through gathering or even map exploration?
Why don’t we nerf your method down to that level?
Did you read when i said cutting few trees gives more money that the most difficult istance in the game?
And for your info ANY profitable source of gold in the game was nerfed since release…
All but the TP, the no risk free pvp minigame that gives 10-100X rewards of anything else in the game at the cost of people who doesn t want to participate.
That is what is wrong….
The TP has no risk?
Yeah I’m just gonna give up.
Should we deny that the risk is so little that you need to do it on purpose if you want to lose money?
Tell me how many people using frequently the TP for profit do you know losing moneys?
Except the newbies investing in gossamer (and everyone knew it was a bad move) i don t know anyone…….
Why don’t you do it then?
congrats my man! bothers me seeing a Mesmer with a legendary greatsword for some reason, I feel like 1hs is what represents us but whatever, lookin good and a job well done
Thanks.. actually i have bolt/minstrel on my weapon swap.. I also have kraitkin and kamohoali’i kotaki for my underwater.
Only?
for now, yea..
I feel you man karma and map completions are so hard to get T.T
congrats my man! bothers me seeing a Mesmer with a legendary greatsword for some reason, I feel like 1hs is what represents us but whatever, lookin good and a job well done
Thanks.. actually i have bolt/minstrel on my weapon swap.. I also have kraitkin and kamohoali’i kotaki for my underwater.
Only?
How do you chase a GS / S+Horn warrior again? Please enlighten me, I am utterly clueless on how anyone has mobility matching this ridiculous setup that creates something like 3k distance in less than 3 seconds without even using a single utility slot.
OMG THERE IS SOMETHING THAT MY THIEF CANT CHASE.
“I cannot chase it, therefore it is broken.” – Lyndis.2584
sry posted in the wrong section
Lets say the highest buy order for an item is 10s. If you sell to the buyer, you will end up with 8.5s due to taxes.
But if you list it for 1c, you practically skip paying the listing fee and end up getting 9s for that item.
Is this working as intended?
indeed…………………………………………..
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“I can’t chase him down, therefore not fair.” – Force.2841
How come I can’t chase down Usian Bolt? Not fair!
Did you guys expect Ascended to come off quickly and cheaply? There is a reason why it’s the tier between exotic/legendary.
Furthermore, the price spike is a large result of increased demand. Demand increased for wood so much that people are willing to pay 10s more than pre-patch.
If you are not willing to match other people’s prices, then there is no seller out there that will sell to you.
A tier which doesn’t need to exist as it literally serves no purpose other than to give people busy work. Anet focused their efforts in the wrong direction with ascended and the the two week living story. Instead of actually delivering compelling content and horizontal progression we get bi-weekly to do lists and ascended. So now you have people who are slowly waking up to this and they are upset about it, and they should be as it is not the game that was advertised. Anet has thrown their hat in the ring with trying to be popular versus trying to be different and as such with them pandering to the masses, the people who bought this game on the premise that it is different are being left behind.
They already said the purpose of ascended was to bridge the wide gap.
This game was advertised with living story. If you bought this game thinking it would be something different than that is your fault. People like to complain about living story IMO because they dont like change. They are so used to the subscription/expansion model that they don’t want to risk on anything else.
If you don’t like it then by all means you don’t like it. But Anet’s metrics show that this past year has been very successful. Player activity in the summer (when 2-week releases started) has gone up when it traditionally goes down (that’s Colin’s words). That tells me that this Living Story is working and GW2 is working.
Anet:
Fun impacts loot collection.
The rarest items in the game are not more powerful than other items, so you don’t need them to be the best. The rarest items have unique looks to help your character feel that sense of accomplishment, but it’s not required to play the game. We don’t need to make mandatory gear treadmills, we make all of it optional, so those who find it fun to chase this prestigious gear can do so, but those who don’t are just as powerful and get to have fun too.Again, ascended gear was supposed to be here at release. Anet has said that they do not plan on adding anymore loot tiers to the game. Ascended is the final (and was supposed to be at release).
Furthermore, it’s not required to play the game. You survived the game for a year without ascended. Now that we have it, do you expect to fail dungeon runs and raids?
No it wasnt.
Well, you are at least right about no purpose whatsoever though.
It was rushed, poorly thought out, poorly implemented no purpose addition to the game.
I was pretty certain this was the case so I looked it up. Lo and behold I was wrong! For that I apologize
http://www.tentonhammer.com/gw2/news/guild-wars-2s-chris-whiteside-on-ascended-gear-concerns
More great details here:
http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/13tuac/im_the_studio_design_director_on_guild_wars_2_ama/That being said, I still do believe that ascended gear is the right thing to do. It’s meant to bridge the gap between
And thats coming from a guy who has enough legendaries to not care about ascended weps
I already had ascended weps when patch hit so… well guess I’ll never understand the ascended wep craze
No. Gs is fine as it is.
Seriously guys they’ve been saying there would be a gear treadmill since October 2012.
If you wanted to quit over gear treamills policy you shouldn’t be here to begin with.They said, explicitly, the only grinding in this game would be for cosmetic items.
“Here’s what we believe: If someone wants to play for a thousand hours to get an item that is so rare that other players can’t realistically acquire it, that rare item should be differentiated by its visual appearance and rarity alone, not by being more powerful than everything else in the game. Otherwise, your MMO becomes all about grinding to get the best gear. We don’t make grindy games — we leave the grind to other MMOs.”
- Mike O’Brien, President of Arenanet
Does the addition of ascended weapons fall in line with what was said by Mike O’Brien?
Yup it does fall in line its not like legendaries are the only weps with ascended stats
The difference now is 13% more damage.
With WHOLE ascended (armor, sigils, runes and infusions) we are looking at 25-30% damage increase.
>.< Where do ppl get those numbers from? anyway the info on http://gw2buildcraft.com/ is wrong my 1h legendaries only give 5% crit dmg not 6%
lol how come no one complains about stuff like +250vitality acquired through gri…err i mean advancing in wvw rank
That’s been done to death also but it can at least be achieved purely by playing WvW
haha isnt that exactly the same thing? well 250 to a stat is a far more crazy advantage if you ask me
Well no its not at all really, if you look at the title of this thread its about why ascended gear is bad for WvW. The guard ability bonuses are gained only from playing WvW, if u could have got the guard bonuses by killing 200 dragons and bumming the mad King in PVE and have them instantly day 1 of when WvW ability bonuses were introduced then yes that would be a bad thing.
Indeed but wvw was never fair from the start. There are many things such as food that make whatever bonuses ascended weps give look like a joke. It is not as big an issue as you think.
lol how come no one complains about stuff like +250vitality acquired through gri…err i mean advancing in wvw rank
That’s been done to death also but it can at least be achieved purely by playing WvW
haha isnt that exactly the same thing? well 250 to a stat is a far more crazy advantage if you ask me
full berserker warrior with ascended weapons and ascended trinkets:
= 7002 effective power = 7.7% increase in effective power (compared to only exotic gear)
So I guess with a full set of ascended gear that we will have in the next 1-2 year it will end up somewhere at 15-20% damage increase. That is significant but not gamebreaking in my opinion. For a min/maxer sure, but for a normal player who wants to do dungeons, WvW, etc they don’t need that. I hope they will add optional harder content where you might benefit from that extra percents but if you know how to play your class I am sure you will manage without.
lol the site got it wrong you still get 5% crit dmg on ascended 1h weps not 6%.
lol how come no one complains about stuff like +250vitality acquired through gri…err i mean advancing in wvw rank
lol thats just something ppl with legendaries say
Am i the only one who is experiencing this?
When you loot something, the items you get will show up on the right hand side of your screen above the minimap. After the Cuthroat Politics patch, the item thumbnails are blocking the exit dungeon button.
This is very annoying as I have to wait for the item tumbnails to disappear before I can exixt the dungeon. Been trying to get my achivements with evon and ellen’s tag on and this issue is bugging me.
#legendary problems
I don’t really get about getting reported. I just don’t want to pointlessly offend people.
And if you had posted your findings on that topic they would have posted there resulting in even more responses.
Which makes me wonder, do you care about getting it fixed or getting responses to your topic?
sigh………….
Ahh, you were quick enough to reply on pre-edit post (I edited it because it felt too hostile).
What do you think screenies add to your claim? If you want to pull stuff out from thin air you can also edit the picture.
If people think you did something wrong they can easily test it by themselves because it is so simple.In this case I would reply:
“I also tested with steady weapon and got 12% more damage. Are you sure you tested it correctly?”
Did you think that I would report your post over such a small matter? Well, not everyone you come across is as lowdown as you think.
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Yea you are right but at least a few screenshots and a better presentation makes it look better/more legit? If anything, the number of people who responed to my post compared to yours should say something. (haha minus us 3 of course)
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Hey dukefx.9730 my post is not offensive at all, not sure why you sent me that pm. I apologize if you feel that way, just pointing out that you can’t just come up with numbers from nowhere, how do people know if they are legit?
And what kind of evidence you need?
Without trait you do X damage. With trait you do 1.12X damage. Tested with Steady weapon.Honestly it doesn’t take a genius to figure it out. Same applies to Heightened Focus.
Get 100% Critical Chance. Get non-crit.If devs are that incompetent they will probably just dismiss this topic because trait called “Berzerker’s Power” doesn’t exist. But anyways, I’m all for spamming these topics.
I did 100 damage with steady axe and 120 with berzerker’s power on! Therefore it gives 20% dmg.
See what I mean? Numbers can come out from thin air, a few screenies would tell people where your numbers come from.
We’ve already discussed this. I even tested HF myself.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/warrior/So-when-do-you-fix-Bers-Power-Heigh-Focus/
Creating multiple threads for the same thing won’t get us the attention of the devs.
Except you did not provide any form of evidence to support your claims. Baseless/badly presented claims won’t get us any attention either.
I guess the Stronger Bowstrings bug might be difficult to fix for some reason, but the fact that Berserker’s Power is like that… I can only assume they forgot to change it.
Thanks for bringing this up.
Yes I hope that Berserker’s Power and quite possibly Heightened Focus can get fixed soon. Just feels kinda bad after I found out about this.
Haxi we’ve had similarly simple to fix problems for a really really long time. The tooltip isn’t wrong, the skill itself was intended to do 15%. It was 12% BEFORE it was moved to the grandmaster. Clearly somebody changed the tooltip and COMPLETELY IGNORED CHANGING THE SKILL. Here’s what happens if you use a steady bow on a light golem in spvp while naked.
well just hope that they can fix these bugs. And also the tooltip for empower allies still says 70power.
Heard Empowered only gives 1% bonus damage per boon now not sure if its true
Ah.. ahah… hahahaah aaah.. oh ****..
No need to be so upset over a tooltip error. A simple fix changing the tooltip to say 12% should solve the problem.
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Tests were done on a heavy golem with:
30 points in strength
PvP Soldier’s Amulet
Steady Axe
Full Adrenaline
In the 1st test, Berzerker’s Power was equipped in the Grandmaster Trait slot. Last hit of the Axe chain dealt 361 damage.
In the 2nd test, Death From Above was equipped in the Grandmaster Trait slot. Last hit of the Axe chain dealt 322 damage.
361/322 = 1.12111
This value clearly deviates by a significant amount from the 15% damage increase as stated in the tooltip. The Trait, Heightened Focus may also have a similar bug. (too troublesome to test crit chance, didnt test)
Well I already transmuted mine without a second thought. Even if it doesn’t upgrade, it kinda sucks to have pvt ascended and you’ll have to get some ascended weps to transmute anyway. But if they do upgrade, we’ll be the ones laughing
Currently impossible.
Roll a BM-Boon+Toughness Ranger and use 2 axes, you will be super tanky and pull out a lot of DPS.
In fact atm in the current Meta, because of retaliation, Axe 5 can kill you. You can literally kill yourself faster then an enemy can.
I don’t even…
No Dev response. Surprise.
I’m not sure about guard but on my ele, because I have so much condi rem it was doable, along with a signet+ run speed and swiftness from attune swaps, with the kite around the tree thing. But that is no way that a dungeon should be done. It’s shameful.
This change sounds like someone REALLY loved the previous version of CoF p2 so they stuck it into another dungeon.
I get this feeling it was one of those ‘fixes’ that they never ‘Tested.’
You know, the ones where they freak out because the boss isn’t being killed the way they want, so they just ‘fix’ it quickly, without bothering to see if it’s even do-able after.
so this is the way its meant to be done then…
FUS RO DAH!!!
I’ve PUGd 350+ dungeons, 30 FOTM, rank 23 wvw, 1765+ hours on ranger, and through all of that I’ve been accepted in nearly every group. Rangers actually do a ton of damage, just, popular players like Strife are admittedly scared of playing a more challenging profession. They won’t even test it to see if it decreases their run times.
Or you’ve never played other classes to see how much their damage is.
Playing a profession—which is the correct term— (you’d think a pro like you would know the difference between armor class and profession) doesn’t mean you know how to excel with it. Just because you roll a warrior, craft it up to 80, and slot some exos with ruby orbs doesn’t mean you’re pro. It means you’re just like everyone else, I’m afraid.
Actually I think he was talking about the damage output of two people who are equally proficient at playing their respective professions. It seems to me that you are avoiding the facts behind Ayrilana’s painfully simple sentence. Skill is not equal to magic, I’m afraid.
Hurrah! No CoF nerf. Guess we can CoF for another patch or two.
We don’t really care about your blabbering or theory crafting.
His time beats you, that’s the fact.
If you wanna prove him wrong, show another video record in his way and then prove him wrong. End of story.And since you’re talking about PuGs, it’s much easier to find a decent warrior than a decent thief, since many of the thieves are so BS that ppl don’t wanna waste time trying on all the thieves out there.
Anyway, please guys, back to topic.
Where’s the 10g in an hr?“Ioflux.4369:
Please show me the math of how this is ~10g an hour not including exotics/yellows/lodestones.
(assuming bar)
First boss = 14s
Acolytes Chest = 10s
Final boss = 22s
Completion reward = 26s + 13s + 6.5s + 6.5s(continuous thereafter) (assumes you did your daily batch already)
Lets say on average you get 12-15 blues/greens from drops (~1s each) = 12-15s
A speed run takes 7min (from zone, door open, Path vote to final boss). People tend to forget to include zoning + path voting time as part of their run time. The only way to get a time faster than 6min is to abuse a bug with skipping but lets say that you’re not doing that bug.
60min / 7min = 8.57 runs an hour.
1st run = 14s+10s+22s+12-15s+26s = 84-87s
2nd run = 14s+10s+22s+12-15s+13s = 71-74s
3rd run = 14s+10s+22s+12-15s+6.5s = 64.5-67.5s
4th run = 14s+10s+22s+12-15s+6.5s = 64.5-67.5s
5th run = 14s+10s+22s+12-15s+6.5s = 64.5-67.5s
6th run = 14s+10s+22s+12-15s+6.5s = 64.5-67.5s
7th run = 14s+10s+22s+12-15s+6.5s = 64.5-67.5s
8th run = 14s+10s+22s+12-15s+6.5s = 64.5-67.5s
Total = 5.42g – 5.66g (for first hour, less for consecutive hours until you reset DR)
Include your tokens for ectos, you get
1st run = 26-29 tokens
2nd run = 16-29 tokens
3rd run = 11-14 tokens
4th run = 11-14 tokens
5th run = 11-14 tokens
6th run = 11-14 tokens
7th run = 11-14 tokens
8th run = 11-14 tokens
Total = 108 – 132 tokens.
Which comes out to ~4 yellows ~ 4 globs ~ 4×37s = 1.48g
So in 1hr you have 1.48g + 5.42-5.66 = 6.9g – 7.14g.
7.14g/hr assuming you can maintain 7min run indefinitely. Most groups average 7.5-9min run from very start till the next startup. No rares/exotics/lodestones included. This number will also drop after the first hour since you no longer get full silver and max tokens. Please enlighten me where this is ~10g.
tl;dr: nothing else better to do at work.”Yeah, I agree with you, I still never seen ~10g an hour without gettin lucky for lodes / rares / exotics. (I’ve had runs where 2-3hrs worth i got none of those). And I’ve clocked well over 300-400 hours worth of cof farming for multiple legendaries.
Hi lolflux, I’m Mercy!
Are you on crack dude? Cof p1 is one of the best ways to make gold in Gw2. Making it harder would enrage tons people.
So you are gonna get enraged on april 30?
too bad cof is gonna get nerfed in 2 days’ time
Just sharing an experience I had. I have 3 level 80 toons, 2 of them are at FOTM scale 39+. I’ve also earned the Dungeon Master title and do daily random dungeon runs mostly with my guild but sometimes with a pug party. I’d like to think I’m not an elitist MOST of the time and in all my daily runs I’ve only ever initiated a kick once and it was not due to gear issues or “noob” behavior but simply because the player went afk at a crucial time (at the arm seals in a 30+ fractal) without any logical explanation.
So today I went with my fairly new but fully zerk-geared mesmer to my first COF p1 speed run with a pug group. I’ve done COF p1 countless times before, most of them with my guildmates. And yesterday I joined a “casual” speed farming pug group with my mesmer (had 1 ele and later 1 guard, not full zerk) that did well (did 1 run in an average of 15min). But the group I joined today was one of those elitist groups that wanted 4 zerk warriors and 1 zerk mesmer and demanded that we ping our gears. We finished 1 run in about 10min. I THOUGHT I did everything right including blink-porting them through the boulders (on my first try). Then after the run I got kicked. I asked two of them why. Only one of them was kind enough to reply and tell me what I should have done. He said I “didn’t pull the slave driver into the wall and didn’t time-warp fast enough”. Also I cast feedback late at the turrets (apparently they didn’t notice I cast Phantasmal warden before casting feedback). Other than that I did everything right, he said.
I am astonished at the level of elitism in the GW2 community now. And especially because from what I was told I only made minor errors that I could have easily changed. I’ve tolerated much worse mistakes from other players without raging or kicking. Wouldn’t it have been easier to tell me what I did wrong than risk getting a less experienced mesmer on the next run? Or is it really just easier to initiate a kick?
lol how does a 10min run relate to elitism? Please don’t make me laugh, the group you joined is probably just a bunch of pugs.
How abouts pet names?
I like my Rich Gold Vein raven. I’ve also seen a Lawn Moa, a spider called Peter Parker, a drake named Godzilla Jr, Headcrab the devourer and a pig known as Bacon Mc Oink
Friend of mine named her hawk hawkaloogie lol
This is nothing. I named my Krytan Drakehound Scooby Doo and Wolf Wolverine.

