Guild Wars 2

Broadicea.8294:

Completing CoF doesn’t take teamwork. Farming it very quickly (under 6:30) and endlessly does. People that can do the latter will move on to a varied dungeon rotation and be fine. PUG farmers can’t do that, and they’ll either get better at other dungeons, or just give up. That’s fine by me.

mmmh, I kind of forgot the distinction between completing and completing efficiently.

Yeah, completing it efficiently requires teamwork, any old random scrubs can walk in and actually complete the dungeon though.

Yup, “play how you want” is probably the worst thing ANet ever said.

People constantly use it as a way to excuse players who run weak builds, weak gear or aren’t willing to learn encounters.

You guys do remember this is the bloke who bragged about doing Arah and then whispered Brazil a bunch of questions, right?

Hickeroar.9734:

colesy.8490:

Hickeroar.9734:

DiogoSilva.7089:

Hickeroar.9734:

DiogoSilva.7089:

Hickeroar.9734:

You apparently don’t understand the definition of the word “opinion,” because what you’re expressing is PRECISELY an opinion.

No, it’s a logical conclusion.

Then your logic is flawed…. You’re wrong in a myriad of cases.

Convine me, then. Show me a single piece of content in this game’s pve, with the exception of the new patch, where a dps build is not more viable than anything else.

High level fractals. If you believe zerker is viable in 40+ fractals….you’ve obviously never run them.

Please just watch one of obal’s fractal 48 videos. Please.

I’m not interested in one player’s experience. I’m interested in the masses, and what is viable for the population of the game as a whole. There’s an exception to EVERY rule. That doesn’t mean it’s not a rule.

It’s not one player’s experience, it’s every good group’s experience at fractal 48.

If loot drops in areas scaled to our level (and we were downscaled better so we weren’t completely overpowered) then people would have more incentive to stay in areas that they liked the aesthetic of. For example, Timberline Falls, Sparkfly Fen and Caledon Forest are nice areas, but because of the low level loot, people will only go to them if there’s some boss there rather than to just play the events and other content in those areas.

Vox Hollow.2736:

It’s an excellent precedent.

Let’s be honest here, even if they squashed every bug and closed every exploit, dungeons in their current iteration aren’t exactly shining examples of the game putting it’s best foot forward. And that’s perfectly normal. MMORPGs age like wine, they need a year or two before they really hit their stride. The encounter design inevitably gets better as a game and the playerbase matures. Most have Power Creep to help them to outgrow their awkward phases, but the lack of the treadmill in this game means it needed to find it’s own personal solution.

For the record, using the Living Story to replace dungeon paths is an excellent solution.
It not only does it afford them an opportunity to grow and correct the larger issues that still plague the game-mode, it’s also perfectly in-line with their desire to create a dynamic world.

The alternative is making the game live with it’s wide-eyed adolescent mistakes forever.

Arah has four paths.

There was absolutely no reason to replace TAFU.

Gasoline.2570:

John Smith also has showed us how condensending and unhelpful he can also be.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/bltc/Fused-weapon-drop-rate-data/first

Yeah. Keep loving the guy, it’ll bite you eventually.

How is that post condescending and unhelpful?

Terrible in basically every game mode?

I’d recommend path 1 and path 3.

Path 2 has that annoying husk boss near the end whereas path 3 has the evolved fail which just sits there like a giant sponge and dies.

What I’d suggest to the OP is learning to dodge at the bosses (missing dodges without damage mitigation is pretty much instant death), run full berserker and learning how to do the 1-4 on path 1 after the golem.

What kind of enemies are you fighting, how many, and are you soloing group events?

I’m being descriptive.

Let’s see.

1337

Nope.

PvX

Nope.

BUILDCHECK

Nope.

GEARCHECK

Yes.

Closest I’ve seen to “buildcheck” is a request for experienced only, or no noobs. Everything else, well you just sound mad at people wanting specialised groups. This anti-good build mentality this forum has is a plague that needs to be eradicated.

“It’s only a video game” was never a valid excuse for anything, people get attached to video games just how they can get attached to anything else. Just because it’s virtual doesn’t make it say, more immature than someone getting insulted by somebody criticising their religion, except in that case they’re defending something imaginary.

Funny how people complain about karma and it gets an immediate rollback, but we complain about dungeon gold rewards being bad (SE p2 1g, kitten?) and NOTHING HAPPENS.

Because changing a number or two is just too hard.

Yeah, they enter Arah, stand around and interact with all the vigil NPCs, and when they choose path 4 they run away at the champion risen knight. However they soon muster their courage and pressure it with sustained arrow fire while a number of the heavy melee, seeing the weakened state of the beast move in with their greatswords to start hacking away.

Exhausted by this long fight, they take a break, sit down and regain their breath, ready for the next battle with Kaitsar.

Dungeons and wiping blobs in WvW.

Get them to stop being useless and use melee sets.

hey crossplay, remember this thread???

thread

obal made a video showing how to resolve your problem

video

If you think commander icons should be a guild-only thing, then I’m grateful you have no influence in the development of the game. Commander tags are very useful in WvW.

themenaceofseventhdimension.2075:

@Colesy. I have a good idea of what I am asking man. I just wanted to know if what I know already matched what you guys had to say.

If I asked every time I wanted to know something on here about phantasm DPS, I would have been told warden/zerker are our strongest phantasms repeatedly.

Don’t take everything you read on this forum as gospel, half the people here haven’t even got a clue what they’re on about and spend more time arguing that I’ve just hurt their feelings rather than the actual content of my posts so just try things out yourself.

If your findings show anything that isn’t meta or a popularly held view, but you know you’re right, prove it.

Well it would be nice if the two German servers would stop constantly running away.

It’s not even funny anymore, it’s just sad.

I would suggest PM’ing forums@arena.net with the video as proof that it’s a legitimate build and that the threads weren’t intended to upset.

I’m legitimately disgusted that the thread was removed, with ANet thinking they can play thought police despite the fact that the Lupicus test is probably heavier testing than what 99% of pve builds on the class forums are put through.

Why is it that we decide to have fun just once with a quirky/bad build with haviz’s hilarious pseudo-RP and explanations in his OP and the thread gets removed for upsetting people, but bads can poke fun at us with their poor “zomg zerker!” comments and nothing ever happens to them? Isn’t that said with intention to upset too?

I hate this forum so much.

….don’t mind me, I’m just bitter about the complete sham that the moderation is on this forum and needed to vent a little.

For the record, guys. DeathPanel wrote this:

First. As a commander you won’t be at front line.

Frontline = melee
Backline = range

So yes, DeathPanel you have done the following:

when have I ever even implied that commanders shouldn’t be at point?

So what is it you’re trying to say again? That you suck too much to go in to the melee? Are you going to argue with people here, myself included who have experience of T1 zerg fights where our commanders are right on point? Are you going to tell me to “learn to play” again? Are you going to continue telling a Fractal 79 runner to learn how to play? Are you going to continue to tell people on this forum crunching numbers that the 30%+ crit damage from valour is a big deal when it’s not and that the loss in survivability is so important? Are you going to keep demonstrating that you’re a poor commander by saying that you’ll just die on point?

Most importantly, are you going to ignore everything I’ve said in this post because you know you’re wrong and have too much pride to suck it up? Or are you going to just blow it off like I’m “embarrassing” myself when the only one who is, is yourself because of your complete lack of understanding of basically anything in this game?

Stop appealing to authority, you’re not going to sway anyone.

I’m more interested in the content of a person’s posts, not who they are. To offer an example, you Obtena post absolutely nothing of significance while Brutaly is trying to give statistics to support what he is saying. I’m far more interested in that, than you trying to say “well he’s awesome so he must be right”.

Gotta love how it’s called an achievement and the OP is upset that he has to actually do some achieving to get it.

1.warrior or mesmer only

and?

2.full ascended gear (I think they mean accessories)

probably pushing it a little but ascended gear minus backpiece are dead easy to get, and backpiece isn’t hard it’s just boring and involves grinding relics for the exo capacitor and then a tedious ascended grind. Personally I’m fine with weaker backpieces as long as they had a ruby jewel in them.

3.full exotic armor/waepons

this is perfectly fine.

4.full zerker gear

this is also fine, and to be honest should be common sense, but of course, most people want to “play how they want to play” which equals mf and other scrub gear.

5.zerker spec

uh… ok?

6.if warrior, dual axes or greatsword only

You mean all of them right? Not just one or the other? I don’t see what’s wrong with this either, without greatsword you can’t hundred blades, and without axe you can’t eviscerate and use the nice fast auto attack.

And with that, I take my leave.

The PVT players may have this thread now.

I played against a stunlock warrior from my guild yesterday, and I don’t want them nerfed. They’re strong, but fun to play against and you can beat them if you grind them down enough.

I think we should nerf mesmers though, because what’s a class update without a mesmer nerf?

For PvE, run full berserker. If you want to be “tanky” you’re condemned to forever being bad since the game’s aggro mechanics suck and passive damage mitigation isn’t that important. Support, you can still provide in full berserker too.

Personally I would just go full glass and not look back, it forces you to learn how to dodge lethal hits which will take a giant chunk out of players even if in full defensive gear and it forces you to actually pay attention and not just brain afk.

For WvW, if you’re zerging and bombing with the commander then PVT is probably your best bet, mixing it maybe with a couple knights and zerk pieces the more comfortable you get with surviving in the heat of combat. Full glass on a zerging guardian I feel is a no-no however, you can’t inflict good DPS if you’re dodging every two seconds when you’re in the middle of 80 players clashing in to each other, whereas with a more defensive build you can get hits off and soak up the damage you’re taking.

Or you could just convert gold to gems. Or you could get lucky and get a ticket without opening many chests.

Or you could not buy them at all.

Easy.

But the group with the “elitists” won’t accept them. They’ll just get booted. I joined an Arah group a couple days ago advertising 4k AP minimum (im like 3960 so I thought screw it why not) and then some guy with like 1.5k AP comes in. Obviously he was booted.

Again, if you have groups saying something like “lf 3m zerkers” and some randoms come along, they’ll either get booted, the group will disband or the randoms will boot the party creator which is just griefing. Make it possible to set some standards and this won’t happen, not everybody wants to play with “play how you want” bads running cleric gear, and those bads don’t want to run with players using good builds.

I joined a group, I think it either got disbanded or I got booted (before we even entered the dungeon mind you) and then I was told I’d joined too many groups.

I… joined a single group.

I won’t lie, that actually hurt to watch.

Why didn’t you tell them you were new when you joined the party?

Wow, someone finally steps up for me and answers the “gear check = elitist” comment before I have to.

The way I see it, if your gear is good you should feel no shame or annoyance at being asked to ping. If it irritates you then your gear must be bad.

I can’t even tell you how wrong you are. I have to build defense on my Guardian to keep bad berserkers like you from dying in dungeons and in major events like Teq. Apparently you don’t realize that guardians like me keep you alive while you repeatedly try and kill yourselves because you are the bad ones that do not know how to build a balance of Offensive and Defensive stats. The attack animations for PvE are clear, yes, but you’re going to run out of endurance one time or another. And what are you going to do when that happens? The answer is die. I prevent that from happening while doing decent damage, and my dps probably isn’t too much lower than yours.

No, you’re wrong. Watch any speed run from guilds like DnT, Define or rT, they all roll five zerkers.

And for when you run out of endurance, well you can either get an energy sigil for 50% endurance on swap or use one of your class’s defense skills. Mesmers have blurred frenzy, distortion, illusionary riposte and the scepter block. Warriors have shield block, sword block and endure pain. Guardians have virtue of courage, retreat and focus 5.

What actually happens is these zerkers drop because your DPS is trash (and so the room for error increases the longer the fight progresses) and now you go think zerkers are bad. Don’t worry, lots of people think that. They’re wrong, and you’re wrong but if it makes you feel good.

If you think guardian does good dmg then you’ve never played a warrior.

Guardians out-DPS warriors.

OP, stop crying.

Break down each stat and tell me why they would be useful in a competent dungeon party. Just a sentence will do, like I did.

Key word is competent.

Broadicea.8294:

People won’t understand that you’re supposed to skip some parts until Anet makes all the mobs Legendaries with a neon sign around them that says “SNEAKY PATH HERE!”

Maybe they should all be like the legendary defenders in WvW that one-shot everything they touch.

The Mexican Cookie.3690:

Mesmer’s DPS is seriously terrible. The only reason people take them is because their utility is pretty nice. Feedback doesn’t count as high-DPS. You can almost call Mesmers a leech role.

I wouldn’t say it’s fair to say they’re almost a leech role. I mean although they don’t have strong DPS, their burst can range from fairly decent (warden + duelist can be like 25k damage + bleed stacks in the period of … 3-4 seconds if you include the casting times and the time it takes the phantasms to cast their own ability) to downright kittened broken completely trivialising an encounter (feedback on any boss that relies heavily on projectiles, e.g lupicus).

And you can’t really trivialise their utility, when doing fractals the sheer amount of reflects I have for uncategorised that I can cycle through without relying on anybody else for support is ridiculous, and then there’s magic bullet if I have nothing else available.

Still, the point remains, our dps is trash so it’s a good thing dungeons only really require burst.

I don’t know if any of you played Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory (an FPS) but in that game if you pressed V you would bring up voice chat categories, then you’d press 1-6 and you’d get voice options for whatever the situation is (defend this objective, follow me, cover me and then other things like good game, great shot, laughs, etc.) and then you’d just hear the voiceover for it. If that could be done in gw2 and maybe for any messages in the chatbox to have an area location in brackets (e.g. <player name> [Temple]: “defend the objective”) then you could interact with your team even mid-combat since I found the key bindings very easy to use and it would improve co-ordination massively.

Obviously the glowing girl. And it’s not available, apparently we’re not allowed to have more awesome armours :P

Seafarer’s Rest has just opened Grenth.

A group composition like 2 guard, 1 warrior, 1 ranger, 1 ele would probably work nicely in high level fractals. All melee of course.

If you want a lazy faceroll composition, 2 guard 3 warrior.

Doggie.3184:

colesy.8490:

You stuck four items in to a magic toilet and expected an achievement.

Really now?

You do get an achievement, there’s no title tied to the weapon you made though unfortunately.

Those 4 items are hard as **** to get, so why not expect it?

The achievement is in crafting it. When I finally get all of the ingredients for my Twilight and make it, that’ll be such an overwhelming feeling of relief that getting some paltry achievement point would be the last thing on my mind.

Even then, I lucksacked and got Dusk from a mob so the only achievements I’m really worth getting are “lucky” or “overcame boredom to gather mats for legendary”.

Chamolin.4530:

I was dumbfounded when I found out it was a t3 set. Nothing interesting about it at all. The female version is a copy+past of the male. Nothing feminine about it. Can we please have something that looks worthy of our gold?

And just how are you meant to make an outfit that is metal plating from head to toe feminine?

Also, the armour looks amazing and actually believable unlike for example the karma armour set.

You should be required to have fractal 48 and to have cleared each dungeon path in a certain amount of time in order to get a legendary.

You get different scenery and get to fight different champions since you can farm champions basically anywhere in the world (it’s just Frostgorge/Orr have the most efficient trains) whereas in CoF p1 you were literally just doing the same thing for hours. Gate opens, dodge through, focus pull two mobs, cleave down, feedback, kill second turret, push slave driver to wall, signet, time warp, burst, run to acolytes, kill, hide, kill, hide, kill, port past boulders, do nothing in brazier, run to effigy, signet, time warp, burst, feedback the knockback, burst, gg.

Farmers actually built muscle memory for this so they could shut their minds off completely. Not to say autoattacking champions is interesting, but at least you can do it anywhere in the world and you get to move around more rather than CoF p1.

Well I have more fun on my mes than my far-more-useful guard so I want to maximise my usefulness as much as possible :P

DPS groups use more support than PUG groups, so I have no idea what you’re talking about OP.

But Blix, you might hurt their feelings!

Oh yeah, playing ‘properly’ and ‘correctly’ … You would almost think that if this was a real thing, it would come from Anet, not players.

Fun is part of the argument because what you value isn’t the same thing as what other people do.

By “properly” I mean effective use of traits and utilities. And by efficient I mean aiding as best you can to complete content with the resources available (these resources being your traits, utilities, gear and the player’s willingness to make strong use of their abilities).

And that is exactly my point. “I find fun in efficieny so I don’t see why you bring the fun argument in”.
You’re thinking about only yourself. Not everyone shares the same opinion as you. Why should everyone else be pidgeon holed into playing what’s most effective because you think it’s the correct way to play?

What I’m trying to say is that I enjoy efficiency. When I think of fun, I think efficiency, therefore I play for enjoyment. Suboptimal builds and amateur mistakes irritate me, it doesn’t matter who it’s from, a player I’m partying with or myself. The difference is, most players don’t care about improving while I will go out of my way and bust my balls to learn an encounter if I perform poorly on it (repeated wipes on Alphard being the most recent example, eventually figured out that reflections have to be centred directly on her and that stacking right on top is basically suicide since you can’t see scorpion wire in case it goes through reflections).

Funny thing is, all you PvE Elitest `presume` everyone is running in guild groups or w/ very experience dungeon runners. =]

I don’t. It’s only recently that I started running in more and more premades because pugging just makes me legitimately angry, there’s a couple people in the dungeon forum who I’ve vented to in-game because of how frustrating it can be having to see players who camp on low-DPS weapons, use blatantly low DPS gear or poor traits (the moment I see strength in numbers on my screen I just roll my eyes).

For the average pugger, it most likely IS better to be more focused over healing due to the FACT your teammates ~won’t~ know the subtleties of what you’re provided (IE Aegis, Blocks, etc).

This is why you advertise “experienced only”. Yeah, most “experienced” players are actually bad, but every now and then I come across gems where we flawlessly hit 25 stacks of might from fire fields and blasts pre fight, melt a boss down and everyone is clearly using the right weapons and strong weapon rotations and not just smashing 1 through to 5 because they want to be pressing more stuff.

The best part to me is that its all because of dungeons! LOL! Gotta run da meta for arah p4, because Simin is scary. The big spider from ac is also scary and its really really hard to beat if you use anything other than the meta build.

You can kill Simin with five bearbows and the only reason people constantly bring up Spider Queen is because they can’t do content any harder than AC, note how Arah is never mentioned when it comes to “stacking is exploiting!” threads because most players aren’t good enough to even do anything besides faceroll AC, COE and COF.

OP wants to know if that combo is viable … AH+EM is a good combo if you want to run AH. In fact, What other combo with AH would be better than this? THAT’S what the discussion should be here.

It’s not a good combo because it’s overriding long term might stacks and the very nature of AH is just bad because small heals aren’t going to do much to your survivability. All it means is that you give up on useful traits like reduced cooldowns on consecrations, clearing three condis on activation of virtue, blinds, vuln stacking on blind and damage modifiers.

Take 10/30/30/0/0 as an example, you lose X%+ from virtues 25, -20% cooldowns from virtues 10 and group condi cleanse from virtues 20 (or 20%+ damage modifier from unscathed). You also lose honour 5 which means you won’t have perma-vigour which makes you a hell of a lot more survivable than AH. Yes, you will hit I believe two damage modifiers and vuln stacking, but you’re giving up two extra modifiers and group support for AH.

I’m making an effort to be civil here and once again I’m getting it thrown in my face.