Guild Wars 2

Faux.1937:

Xbon.9086:

Faux.1937:

So.. the 3k gold I spent on a Greatsaw a couple months ago was a waste…. :/ Sold an Eternity for it.

Never again am I buying any skin worth more than 100g now.

if it wasn’t clear that it was going to return someday.. you know like how chaos skins just returned and aetherized skins? you buy a skin because you want it, if you like the look of it then good for you, you should be buying skins because they fit a theme of your character, if it was worth 3000g to you then, then nothing changed now.

But it was clear they was going to be special rare skins, now they are just like everything else…. trash.

The TA Aether skins are trash now too. “If everything is special then nothing is.”

It is quite entertaining to watch all the snowflakes melt in the bright sunshine.

Anyone saying HoT is dead is fooling themselves. What they do is go into a dead map, not look for looking for group to busier maps and they conclude it’s dead. You can pretty easily do every meta on every map at any time if you time it right, because like world bosses it’s all on a schedule.

If you enter a HoT map when that stuff isn’t going on, those maps are big enough and more importantly complex enough to not see many people while going around.

Until you announce a hero point of popular event in map chat and suddenly people show up from nowhere.

HoT isn’t dead, people just don’t know how to go about playing it.

You know it’s a weekend when threads like this ramble this much and last this long.

rebellion.2473:

Hello.
As i noticed,some use forums as a tool for negative speech,unconstructive “feedback”,and worst of all,political and ideological beliefs

Please try not to post such stuff,it hurts us as community and Anet devs.
I really want to see us as community evolve into more jolly and happy group,not a bitter group.
Like myself,there are probably a lot of people who want to help Anet in watching over boards and making sure we dont have bad repbas a community.
Thank you for your attention and i hope you wont turn this topic in another murder fest.

This is the internet,.your wishes have about as much chance of coming true as I do at winning the lottery, and I don’t buy tickets.

Hapmuhr.2781:

What I don’t like is that if I play a Mesmer and try to do it legitely, people keep begging me to port them. No random player, I’M NOT A WALKING TELEPORTER!

Therefore, I avoid JPs with my Mesmer now.

Are you saying mesmers have another use? Wow. Who knew? ;p

If you’re trying to do the JP on your own merits, it can be a pain in the backside with everybody there… especially right after reset (see 1st pic). Sometimes, if you wait a little while, the rush dies down and it’s easier.

Although, if you just want to finish the daily AP then there is another great option (see 2nd pic)……

This whole thread shows us two facts. Most of us are already beyond inclusive of LGBT people, and don’t need a lesson in PC culture. We accept you. Help us kill dragons in fictional lands.

Those who aren’t are clearly not ready for whatever lesson your trying to teach them. And it’s not your place to set their values anymore than they should tell you yours. In Tyria, there is no agenda for trans or straight anything. Everyone is happy to just leave it that way.

DaikonSamurai.6714:

BrotherBelial.3094:

DaikonSamurai.6714:

BrotherBelial.3094:

DaikonSamurai.6714:

Zynt.5769:

DaikonSamurai.6714:

I don’t get why so many people are against this. Why not give a transgender character some prominence. I just want it to be a good story lol. As long as it’s a good story I don’t care what sexuality the characters are.

It’s not that people are against a transgender character, it’s that people don’t want a character shoehorned in, for the sake of it.

And you’re all assuming that’s what the OP wants. I’m pretty sure Mr. Penguin wants a well told story just as much as anyone here. Background characters gain prominence in stories all the time, so if an element of the story calls for it, why not Sya?

He wasn’t Sya thrust in to the light just because Sya is trans. No other reason. We still know very little about the people in DE 2.0, we don’t really know all that much about DE, unless you’ve read the book.

And if it’s because he wants someone overcoming adversity, my PC necro did that, she grew up on the streets, she never knew her parents. The first time she leave the city she saves a village and becomes a hero, she has the ear of the captain of the Seraph. Saves the queen, joins a order, rises through the ranks quickly, becomes second.in command of an army, kills 2 dragons. Now if that’s not inspiring I don’t know what is.

Plenty of Sylvari had to overcome adversity too both PC and NPC. If Anet has a good story to tell I don’t see why Sya can’t develop into something more important as well.

But why dose it have to be Sya? Because they are trans? Is that the only reason? Why not someone else. What makes her special enough to be elevated above the rest? I can tell you why. Because trans has been in the media as of late so it’s the “cool” thing to be supporting. That is the only reason. If it was because of just raising awareness of transgender then this thread would have come up asking this when the character was introduced. That is the truth, and you can handle the truth!

Up to Anet to decide. If they have a good story that includes Sya I’m all for it. If they have a good story to tell that doesn’t include Sya I’m all for it. Why do you think if Sya becomes a prominent character it instantly means it’s pushing an agenda? It just means Anet has a story they want to tell that includes her.

I couldn’t care less, if you had read through the thread I’m probably the only one here who has had a family member go through with going from a man to a woman. So I can say with hand on heart I don’t care. What I do care is when someone comes on the forum with out a clue about what that decision can do to a person, a family, just because they think it would be “cool” annoys me to no end. I don’t want to see the impact this choice has on a person and there family be trivialized in a game. You could never do it justice. It’s not something you wake up.one day and decide it’s what you are going to do today. People who are your friends might not be after, family members might disown you. This is a big thing. Sure the same.could be said about being gay. But there are a lot less trans people out there than gay.

But you keep on talking about something you know jack about, because there is nothing cool or hip about it. Want to make a difference to the transgender population, go out there and help the transgender people in your community, a game won’t help people in the real world, no matter how good the story is.

Subtly including a lesbian relationship between two characters designed with bodies with genetics that would make Greek gods jealous isn’t exactly being a pioneer nor are they the first to do it.

It’s promoting liberal values while being safe, because Americans make a stunning exception when it comes to homosexualality presented to us in the form of two really hot girls kissing.

What’s not being safe is male on male relationships.

What’s even less safe is transgender, because of how vicious the average American reaction is to any form of gender bending or direct challenge to the lanes of gender roles. Transgender community has always gotten it a lot worse.

Beyond that, it’s very difficult to subtly add a transgender character and have people become aware they are transgender without being so blatant about it that it comes off as putting them on some kind of pedestal to be looked at like some kind of sideshow freak.

DaikonSamurai.6714:

Zynt.5769:

DaikonSamurai.6714:

I don’t get why so many people are against this. Why not give a transgender character some prominence. I just want it to be a good story lol. As long as it’s a good story I don’t care what sexuality the characters are.

It’s not that people are against a transgender character, it’s that people don’t want a character shoehorned in, for the sake of it.

And you’re all assuming that’s what the OP wants. I’m pretty sure Mr. Penguin wants a well told story just as much as anyone here. Background characters gain prominence in stories all the time, so if an element of the story calls for it, why not Sya?

He wasn’t Sya thrust in to the light just because Sya is trans. No other reason. We still know very little about the people in DE 2.0, we don’t really know all that much about DE, unless you’ve read the book.

And if it’s because he wants someone overcoming adversity, my PC necro did that, she grew up on the streets, she never knew her parents. The first time she leave the city she saves a village and becomes a hero, she has the ear of the captain of the Seraph. Saves the queen, joins a order, rises through the ranks quickly, becomes second.in command of an army, kills 2 dragons. Now if that’s not inspiring I don’t know what is.

Shinzan.2908:

Do trans and gay people in Tyria even face any struggle? There’s been no signs of prejudice and everyone is just chill with it, magic even makes actually transitioning a non issue.

They don’t. People in Tyria don’t care. Its a nonissue over there. It’s the OP that wants to bring issues from this world into that world in order to score sjw points.

Do trans and gay people in Tyria even face any struggle? There’s been no signs of prejudice and everyone is just chill with it, magic even makes actually transitioning a non issue.

DaikonSamurai.6714:

Zynt.5769:

DaikonSamurai.6714:

I don’t get why so many people are against this. Why not give a transgender character some prominence. I just want it to be a good story lol. As long as it’s a good story I don’t care what sexuality the characters are.

It’s not that people are against a transgender character, it’s that people don’t want a character shoehorned in, for the sake of it.

And you’re all assuming that’s what the OP wants. I’m pretty sure Mr. Penguin wants a well told story just as much as anyone here. Background characters gain prominence in stories all the time, so if an element of the story calls for it, why not Sya?

But then one could ask, out of the hundreds of random NPCs in the game, why Sya?

All of my human characters are Elonian. I suppose they could be considered “black” by some.

But… It would be senseless for me to drag Black Lives Matter into Tyria. Elonians haven’t experienced any of the issues important to BLM. What would it accomplish except to drag horrible real world polarization into Tyria?

I don’t care how “important” real world issues are. We don’t need to be choosing sides and making “statements” in a game that simply does not have those RL issues.

Racism exists in game. Some of us have issues with Salad gone bad. Human separatists hate Charr, for ingame lore and content reasons. Genocide is bad mmk. But it is Tyrian racism with imaginary races, not a RL Earth issue destined to inflame RL based conflict.

Restrict controversy to In Game scenarios. Avoid provoking conflict between the Actual People behind the keys.

No because they are afraid of easy-access condition backpieces/trinkets. It’ll apparently open up a black hole and consume the universe if too many people get a hold of Viper/Carrion sets.

I want to be really clear that right now my biggest “issue” with Gw2 is the sheer amount of social agenda pushing which worries me. Look, im not against transgender, im not against lesbians, gays, bisexuals or anyone else.

I myself am disabled, I have autism, aspergers, I however do not want to see a character “with” aspergers in a fantasy world, frankly I find the idea rather unnerving.

Honestly, what I dont like is seeing “real” world issues being put into a virtual reality. It kind of eliminates the point of escapism, fantasy is an escape from reality, its designed to avoid these things in the first place. People dont play a fantasy game to see their specific gender/disability/trope being covered, they play it for the very reason that they escape the boundries of any of these things being mentioned or judged, because in the end, a virtual, fantasy world, should in no way or form, represent, the real one.

Ideally speaking, what I think we need is more focus on the writing actually focusing on the story, the fantasy, and generally, the progression of the characters within it, rather than trying to represent minorities, majorities or anyone else.

Example:

I liked the Jory/Kasmeer relationship in Season 1 because I thought the build up felt like a natural growth from friends to lovers, it just, fit, perfectly well, it didnt seem forced because it was all growing in the background.

But in season 2 nearly every dialogue involving the two together focused on their relationship and had nothing to do with their personal growth.

We didnt even get a moment of tender comfort between Kasmeer and Jory with the loss of her sister, we just got “hey its good to see you” in the pact summit and that was kind of it.

Relationships that feel hollow are meaningless, if your “going” to make this a thing, focus on actually fleshing it out and giving it meaning. The struggles characters go through are very much as important as the representation they exist towards.

An example of a character actually growing and developing in this way done right, would be Taimi. Taimi accepts after her reckless, chaotic and childish rage fit she cant fight every battle alone. Scruffy getting broken and Taimi being left to the mercy of the Inquest as Braham saved her was a classic point of what im trying to say. It was growth, both characters grew, Taimi especially, realizing, she cant be some reckless child in the middle of a danger zone.

And yet, in HoT, she still manages to develop (albiet small, no pun intended) with Scruffy dying yet again (for the third time if you played S1) and final time with HoT, she accepts the death of her beloved golem and we get a brief tender moment of the Golem hesitating to kill itself before deciding to do what it had to do.

Taimi also realizes, with a giant asura lab capable of protecting her like a small fortress, there is absoleutley “no” need for her to leave and wisely chooses instead to stay in the secure defended position because, for once, its not dangerous to be there alone.

This contrast shows where I feel the char growth in GW2 really needs to go, focusing more on actual character growth, and not just on representing character minorities for the “sake” of representing them.

“The story could detail the struggles that a transgender person in the world of Tyria,” is the most problematic line in your original post, regarding this issue.
You can’t detail the struggles of a transgender person in Tyria because there literally are none. No one cares at all that she used to be a man. No one is giving her a hard time about it. And no one stopped her from doing it. It’s exactly the way it should be. I’d say we already have all the inclusion possible.

If we were to include a trans person into the main story, you’d have to give a good reason why. And you’d have to pretty much never mention his/her trans status. Our current heroes don’t introduce themselves as “Hi. I’m Brahm, and I am a heterosexual!”. Because we really don’t care in what configuration he decides to do the moist macarena. He’s an adult. He can make his decisions. And telling us about his decisions for no reason makes people think he’s pushing some cis-male (or generic tumblr variant word) agenda. Its the same with any trans person. Don’t bother telling us you’re trans, because we don’t care. Your surgically modified sex organs won’t help me kill a dragon.
I hope. I don’t know, we have a lot of dragons we don’t know about. But that’d be weird, right?

coso.9173:

would you react the same to a straight character?
its is not about being a sjw, or microaggresion bs, but including a trans npc should not create such trouble in the first place. it is just a npc in a mmo story, why would people be in arms about such a simple thing?

Yes, yes I would. If somebody said, “Hey, we need more straight people. Lets add more straight people just because I want to see more straight people.” I would indeed have the same reaction.

The original post was not made about adding a character to the story based upon their merits. They simply want them added because of their orientation, that is what I dislike. I want characters of all groups to be added because they are an interesting character, not to make a political statement. As I said, just let people be people, not marketing stunts. If you want true fair representation, the sexual status of a person should not even enter the debate when deciding if a character is proper to add to the story or not.

Envy.1679:

coso.9173:

why do people assume that if they include a lgbt character it will be just a token character with awful background just to show how progressive anet is?
would you react the same to a straight character?
its is not about being a sjw, or microaggresion bs, but including a trans npc should not create such trouble in the first place. it is just a npc in a mmo story, why would people be in arms about such a simple thing?

The problem is that you want to include a trans NPC, instead of an NPC who just happens to be trans.

it might be hard for you to understand but those are two different things.

hit the nail on the head. +1