Guild Wars 2

I did read all of this (okay…most of it) and after doing so I feel fairly confident to respond.

No. I do not think it a good idea to give people like those you are portraying the tools to effect other people in the game that they paid for, especially when the people metting out these penalties would not be held to anything but their own ideal for what is considered offensive or rude behavior.
As evidenced by this thread, we do not all agree on that point. Or do we? As I can’t be certain your responses are genuine and not part of this attitude you are attempting to convey, I can only say that it’s possible we may not agree.

I was close to ignoring this and moving on, but I have one question from Page one that is really bugging me.

Ally – in all your examples you have given, it’s a case of “What you you do if this person said to you …. I’m going to murder your family….” or whatever it is.

I’ve been online in various capacities since the 80’s. I’ve played a number of games in those years. Not once has a random stranger come up to me in game and insulted me in any form.

Now, I HAVE been insulted many times, from conversations that I’ve been having with people that have gone “south”. Fair enough, it happens. Personally, to old and life’s to short to spend any time worrying about it….but then, that’s just my outlook on life.

I guess what I am asking is this. The comments you have received – have they come randomly, from someone whispering you, making this statement with ZERO initial engagement from you….orrrr….has it come from you engaging in general conversations in Zone chat or from a conversation that you initiated?

These threads are hilarious

Again?!

theerrantventure.9185:

I was on the “let’s have mount!” train when the game was first released. Every other game has them, so why not GW2?

Well, after playing a good bit at release, and then off and on the last few years, I got off that train. The fast travel system with waypoints makes mounts completely unnecessary. Mounts would only serve as a way to flaunt gold/gems, and crowd important NPCs.

/deadhorse.gif

And more importantly another item to put in the cash shop and reskin countless times and colour variations.

I was on the “let’s have mount!” train when the game was first released. Every other game has them, so why not GW2?

Well, after playing a good bit at release, and then off and on the last few years, I got off that train. The fast travel system with waypoints makes mounts completely unnecessary. Mounts would only serve as a way to flaunt gold/gems, and crowd important NPCs.

/deadhorse.gif

Lol @soldier reaper. Reaper has 21k+14k life, you don’t need soldier, really.

I only finished it on zerker reaper and it was super easy.

Sourde Noire.5286:

But the last point is really meh until they add a functionality that saves the Sigils in the stat slot. Because it’s true, you can swap the stats but why would you when going for another build usually requires you to use different Sigils as well. Being able to save (or at least ‘unlock’ a Sigil on the item by consuming it) Sigils (and then Runes for Legendary armor) I could see them having a much bigger incentive for players.

Legendary Sigils and Runes with swappable stats would be really cool. With that Anet could also raise Jewelcrafting to 500 to craft them.

The game is designed to avoid people feeling pressure to upgrade from Exotic, unless they do exceptional content (raids, fractals, and some of the more restrictive WvW niches). Ascended is set as the apex and legendary is just a skin (and stat swap).

I don’t agree that ANet ought to toss that standard just because a few people think legendary means something else.

no stat switching is a good enough + as far as im concerned

I think the sense of accomplishment, prestige, best-available stats, and switchable stats make legendaries desirable enough. I’m happy that players can spend (what, 50g?) on an ascended weapon and be on-par with a 2000g weapon.

I mean, it’s not like legendaries aren’t in demand because they’re not nice enough. They’re in high demand as it is, without an extra 1% stat advantage.

Cyber-bullying indeed any kind of bullying is a serious issue and needs to be treated with respect. However, there’s a big wide range of anti-social behavoir that isnt’ cyber bullying. I get ganged up on quite frequently but only very rarely has someone tried to actually bully me.

One guy followed me to reddit and posts personal, attacks, including profanity which is usually deleted by moderators pretty fast. This type of bullying doesn’t bother me though. I feel sympathy for anyone who feels the need to stalk someone else and come to personally insult them. It’s their problem not mine.

However there’s also sensitivity to the point where things are referred to as cyber bullying that really aren’t, at least in my opinion.

That’s why I wanted to open a conversation about the threshold that someone would be expected not to cross. The OP has consisted refused to engage in this conversation.

Ally.4382:

I appreciate your time and effort you put into your comment and yes a few people have quoted Gaile tonight and the information was taken aboard. While we haven’t exactly come up with any new ideas tonight. At least I know where Anet stands on this type of stuff a little better. Maybe it’s the different countries or something, maybe I’m not tuned in enough but I thought everybody was supposed to be taking certain things a bit more serious nowadays with regards to online harassment. Maybe it’s because “Online” is not a physical place and can’t be held against any one country’s laws etc BUT I always think more can be done to cut out the middleman (police or whomever they be) by preventing it occuring ingame first. And as such was looking for other ideas outside of our current block/report system.

Seriously this is scary lol. That’s it I have taken great offense to this thread. I came in here looking for level headed discussions and logical sound arguments as to what constitutes online harassment. I feel desecrated. This thread made me feel uncomfortable. I couldn’t go one minute without feeling abused.

I’m going to report this thread and send an email to the mods that we need more moderation on these forums. We need to stop people from saying mean things and ignoring my feelings. We need more rules such as: , No use of strong words or language. Only talk in a positive and passive non aggressive tone. No words such as no, or insults or even disagreement.

We need more moderation and bans to stop people from spreading their toxic views on others. I want to create a safe space for all gamers from all countries. I want Anet to staff moderators and auto moderators at all times and watch everyone and to have keywords that can immediately remove any toxic user on this site. This is 2016 people we need progress. “We need some muscle over here!”
I also want Teamspeak to have auto moderator programs to stop harassment of individuals on teamspeak, I want twitch to ban all toxic user from spamming those hateful memes. I also want every player in GW2 to have their account linked via Gmail and verified fb through verification so that if those users are not following guidelines properly we can report them to the right authorities. I also want
The time for change is now, first proposition is for Anet to make the game 18+ only, we need to show the community that only mature aged players can engage in this new and fair enviroment. Players under 18 should have a guardian consent and be chaperoned by their respective guardian or care taker. We need to remove useless rules such as moderation* and trial* which only prolong the inevitable ban hammer, instead we should have a system that any user reported for harrasment, yes no more block, we should have categories or degrees of the crime committed, from spam to threatening, any user reported should be banned for 24 hrs and then subsequently banned for 2 days and so forth. If the same user frequents the game, his IP should be blocked.
Come on guys we need to stop this in just unfair oppressive atmosphere in the community, together we can do this!

How the heck is this troll thread still open?

@mods, please delete or close this thread. Here is no discussion at all, only one person throwing insults against support, anet and everyone else.

Ally.4382:

I appreciate your time and effort you put into your comment and yes a few people have quoted Gaile tonight and the information was taken aboard. While we haven’t exactly come up with any new ideas tonight. At least I know where Anet stands on this type of stuff a little better. Maybe it’s the different countries or something, maybe I’m not tuned in _enough_ but I thought everybody was supposed to be taking certain things a bit more serious nowadays with regards to online harassment. Maybe it’s because "Online" is not a physical place and can’t be held against any one country’s laws etc BUT I always think more can be done to cut out the middleman (_police or whomever they be_) by preventing it occuring ingame first. And as such was looking for other ideas outside of our current block/report system.

I appreciate that. I think, however, you’re really looking for a larger shift to the positive in behaviour patterns in society as a whole. Behaviour in-game is a result of complex conditions outside of the game, so the best thing you can do is take responsibility for yourself and conduct yourself in the manner you would like to see from others. I think your heart is totally in the right place, but go easy and take small steps. It’s not something you can change overnight, and you’ll likely end up with more headaches if you try to take it all on at once.

As I said, I advocate the block and report system. For our in-game purposes, for the average ordinary troll, it does work. For the stalker types, you need to contact the police. A few people telling such a person that their behaviour isn’t cool probably won’t work. Having a rule in place saying they mustn’t harass people actually won’t make a jot of difference. For death threats - not the asinine wishes of plagues on people’s houses, which although horrid, are not actual death threats - for when you truly believe your life, or the life of someone else to be in danger, that’s a straight-up police matter. Again, no gaming rules will make a difference here. I wouldn’t look upon the police as the middlemen, either. In this sense, that would be ArenaNet.

EDIT: although if you were receiving death threats in GW2, I’m sure ArenaNet would like to hear about it in an email, wherein you’d say X has occurred, and you’re taking it to the police. Given that the police would likely need to speak to ANet about it.

Ally.4382:

Only because people like you keep coming on every once in a while to tell me how they’re not trolls how they’re trying to help yet a simple read through of the thread proves otherwise. Points can be made, and opinions can be held without needing to put other people down. It’s not hard.

And that the point I was making about Taltevus.3289. The guy who came on the thread and called people unbalanced, masochistic or sadistic, immature, self destructive and insensitive, and you promptly thanked him for posting and called him rational and civil. You don’t seem to see the irony in that.

I posted several legitimate criticisms AS WELL as flagrantly trolling this malformation of a thread, I’ll have you know

It’s just that I’d rather be forced to be the judge of two professional homeless men engaging in competitive vomiting in person at 3am behind a dumpster in the bad part of town than to not see this glorious cascade of wreckage through to its inevitable end

Wow this is a real case of the Safe Space MUH feeelz crap. Look Ally no one is threatening, no one will show up at your house. No one cares or knows your name. You aren’t an A-list celebrity or wealthy rich persona to be targeted. This is a game, this is not real. Any threats made you in this platform hold no water. You can be the better person and stop taking everything personal. I’ve been called a troll, a pedo, a creep, a loner, a weeabo, a ton of things. I’ve been told to kms, listen I’ve been gaming for 14+ years, I’ve done a crap ton of cringy stuff on the Internet and in the end it’s just the internet. All we are telling you is to not take anything personal, everyone in here deals with these issues and half the time it’s trolls and idiots who have nothing better to do. You want us to kick people out and ban them from a game just because you found something offensive, just report them and move on.

Ally.4382:

Respectful is telling me your side, and saying that you think support is good, support is fine, that it doesn’t need to change.

I counted a lot more than one person, giving me their opinion on the matter (great), and then tacking on some kind of insult or bait for me.

All opinions were welcome from the start aslong as they were civil, I’ve been on defense this entire time. Which is why I want this over with.

You think supports great, and that’s cool.

You do keep saying that, and yet you keep coming back here. I’m really starting to wonder if this is what starts the in game spiral. Someone whispers you, or says something in map chat, and you have to get the last word in, and it spirals on and on. You know you don’t have to come back to your post to read what is written. You don’t have to comment that you are being attacked (when you aren’t, your ideas are, but not in the manner you are positive is happening). You don’t have to say you want this post done. You can leave. You are choosing not to.

So I’ll say it again: If you don’t feel the action taken on another account was good enough, send in a ticket to Anet and talk to them. They don’t even need you to take screenshots of the issue (usually they don’t accept them as they can be photoshopped) BUT they do ask for the player’s name involved and a rough time that it happened, and even which chat channel. They also expect you to block said person as well. You can click support at the top of any page on these forums, then on the right is the Submit a request.

I actually frequent the Support Issues forum a lot (so much drama there from ‘unjustly’ banned accounts) that I can say people do in fact get banned for many many things. Michael and Gaile have also many times called someone out for the chat behaviour when the person claims “they were a saint, or it was just 1 swear word”.

Ally.4382:

I wanted to talk about support, it turned into a mob solely focussed on trolling the bajeezus out of me, and grew only worse from there.
This guy came along, and spoke the truth, I’m sorry but I consider him my white knight at this point. Even if it’s only because he is the only one to share my view.

There was 1 “troll”, the guy telling you to stop posting. 1 person. Everyone else was asking questions or giving them opinion.

1 troll isn’t a mob focused on trolling you. And the only person who didn’t troll you is the person who shared your opinion.

People who disagree with you aren’t trolling you. You just didn’t like what they have to say. There is a difference. And I’m all for agreeing that the 1 troll is the punk who has said you shouldn’t post and kept coming back. He’s a child and you can ignore him. But most others were pretty respectful.

Ally.4382:

I wanted to talk about support, it turned into a mob solely focussed on trolling the bajeezus out of me, and grew only worse from there.
This guy came along, and spoke the truth, I’m sorry but I consider him my white knight at this point. Even if it’s only because he is the only one to share my view.

He spoke the truth huh? We, all of us here who tried to talk to you are children, immature, self destructive and insensitive.

I rest my case.

Ally.4382:

It’s over. So. Long. Ago.
Just put a smiley and be done with it.

You know, there’s a certain saying I’ve heard once: “You have no control over the words that have already left your mouth”.

Ally.4382:

I don’t take offense at the most innocuous things but it makes you wonder when you have a thread like this, and you explain why you made the thread, but then people starting harassing you over the harassment you mentioned, and it’s like “What?”

Seera.5916:

So how about you come up with a more reasonable comparison for your concern and then we’ll be able to have a serious discussion.

The post was done far up this page as far as I’m concerned, I am not looking for further discussion, only to be left alone at this point as it’s beyond ridiculous.

To reiterate:
Support is good for you guys. It works fine. Cool. Great. Okay.
My experience is not the same. End of.

This is similar to "I called XYZ Company and demanded ACME product for $2 and they said they only sell it for $12. I demanded my price and they said no. Bad customer service. " Support looked at your report on the person, and deemed it worthy of the action they took. As I even said, Unless you watched that person be online 24/7 from the day you reported until today, you actually have no idea if any action was or was not taken. Just because you saw them again in the game doesn’t mean they weren’t suspended. And unless you added said person, are you 100% certain it’s the exact same. I found someone with my mesmer’s name, but they had an accent on the 2nd E in the name. Otherwise it’s the exact same name. Is it possible it’s just a name super close. And you have stated you have this issue with so many people. That’s a lot of people to harass you in a game that you have kept track of. That’s concerning that you remember all of those people (which, by your own words, you said your block list was getting close to full) that you remember every single one.

So I’m actually starting to wonder. Was it really just 1 person who went really far over the line, and since they are still in the game, it bothers you. If that’s the case, send in a ticket to Anet about it and talk to them. You just said support isn’t good for you, but you don’t want to talk to them.

So, what do you want? What was the original reason for the post?

Lol.

Someone calls all the other posters in this thread children, immature, self destructive and insensitive, and you praise him for being rational and civil.

I think that sums up the situation perfectly.

Ally.4382:

The whole 3 pages is just full of trolls it seems, I honestly can’t keep up with it all.
I don’t know what is going on either.
And “rude” is not my word, just forget you ever saw it. Just replace it with whatever word makes you understand what I was trying to convey.

The post should have been done by now but everyone seems to want to come back around for 70th helpings.

It’s done. Support’s good for you guys. Great. I get it.

It’s comments like this that have me shaking my head, see previous post about why what you say may indeed be the cause of your own issues.

LegACy.1296:

I… I think I understand what OP wants.

He basically wants this thread to be a discussion ONLY for people who agrees with him, and NOT for people who disagree or even questions his thought.

Greetings, friend. You nailed it!

I… I think I understand what OP wants.

He basically wants this thread to be a discussion ONLY for people who agrees with him, and NOT for people who disagree or even questions his thought.

If we could get a handle on what you feel is the minimum amount of rude/violating the TOS/whatever you want to call it you want punished and what you thought that punishment should be, then maybe we can have a discussion on if support is fine the way the it is or if other things can be adjusted.

Because right now, you’re only discussing the extreme cases where punishment is likely given, you just haven’t been told what it was.

Why do you believe that murder and other horrible things are comparable to online harassment you can simply block and move on from, unmurdered

Why do you feel the need to defend this absurd and untenable position

Why do you support authoritarianism and censorious praxis

Why is the sky