Guild Wars 2

Ally.4382:

I don’t take offense at the most innocuous things but it makes you wonder when you have a thread like this, and you explain why you made the thread, but then people starting harassing you over the harassment you mentioned, and it’s like “What?”

Seera.5916:

So how about you come up with a more reasonable comparison for your concern and then we’ll be able to have a serious discussion.

The post was done far up this page as far as I’m concerned, I am not looking for further discussion, only to be left alone at this point as it’s beyond ridiculous.

To reiterate:
Support is good for you guys. It works fine. Cool. Great. Okay.
My experience is not the same. End of.

I haven’t seen a reasonable comparison. I’ve only seen comparisons to horrible real life felonies. Which are not reasonable comparisons to what you’ve described happens to you in game.

And yet, the posting continues

This is the second time you’ve said this, do you think needing the last word has been part of the problem people have had with you in game? I imagine wanting the last word also fills up a blocklist fast

EDIT: Please answer this question before running away

Ally.4382:

I am not looking for further discussion, only to be left alone at this point as it’s beyond ridiculous.

This is the second time you’ve said this, do you think needing the last word has been part of the problem people have had with you in game? I imagine wanting the last word also fills up a blocklist fast.

Ally.4382:

Mhm. Way back at the beginning of the thread. I remember.
And so maybe you’ll answer the question more serious now? Maybe?

If I did that, and the police said to you, “Hey it’s okay Orbital, just block him.”
Would you be happy with that result?

And yes that’s another serious question, a very simple one too.
Would it be my fault? Or would it be the other persons fault?

They’re very very simple questions…

AND yup there you go trolling, insulting, just on and on and on…

You seem to have got the real world and GW2 mixed up, you cannot block people in real life but you can block them on the internet. If you’re scared of words people say then block them.

You also show your lack of proportion by continuing to give examples of really awful crimes and comparing them to online rudeness (they do not compare and people who are murdered or kitten d don’t have the option to log off or block the attacker – I really hope you understand this, you can walk away from your “abuse” at any moment by blocking the other person or even turning off your monitor).

Get some perspective and then hopefully you won’t be asking for a censor of GW2.

Ally.4382:

The whole 3 pages is just full of trolls it seems, I honestly can’t keep up with it all.
I don’t know what is going on either.
And “rude” is not my word, just forget you ever saw it. Just replace it with whatever word makes you understand what I was trying to convey.

The post should have been done by now but everyone seems to want to come back around for 70th helpings.

It’s done. Support’s good for you guys. Great. I get it.

I find it rude that you keep calling people trolls. That’s offensive to some people.

And I can’t just know what you mean by replacing your word with my word, because the threshold has to be set My threshold is quite irrelevant since I’m not the one who sees the problem. I wonder why you’re so reluctant to discuss your threshold. It might help others understand what you mean.

Ally.4382:

Mhm. Way back at the beginning of the thread. I remember.
And so maybe you’ll answer the question more serious now? Maybe?

If I did that, and the police said to you, “Hey it’s okay Orbital, just block him.”
Would you be happy with that result?

And yes that’s another serious question, a very simple one too.
Would it be my fault? Or would it be the other persons fault?

They’re very very simple questions…

You can’t compare horrible things said in chat to real life felonies. Unless you go around and tell everyone you meet online where you live and what you look like and all that good stuff that would make the death threats actually serious.

So how about you come up with a more reasonable comparison for your concern and then we’ll be able to have a serious discussion.

Ally.4382:

Vayne.8563:

Well your first problem is taking terms of service as law. It’s not. It’s there to protect Anet from the law, to some degree. That is to say, they have the option to ban, not that they have to ban and saying that putting something in the TOS is a guarantee of behavior is not realistic.

For example, they put in the TOS that they can pretty much do anything they want, but then they don’t do anything they want. It’s just protection.

Most recently we’ve heard a change in the way names are vetted and what names will be allowed to stay or leave. Originally they were much stricter, but they’ve relaxed the rules.

So looking at the TOS and saying those are the lines is not of any real use to anyone.

I’ve asked you for what your lines are, I’d expect if you want changes, you’d lay out where that line is.

I guess a pretty worldly view on what is not acceptable, in THIS day and age, I don’t know. I don’t have some crazy expectancy grossly different from anybody here. What I do know, is that I’d rather not have my game be a giant free-for-all where people do what the hell they like. At least, that’s not what I signed up for at Beta. So things have changed, I guess that sucks for me.

That’s not what Vayne’s saying. He’s not saying it’s a free for all with no rules and no one gets punished at all.

He’s saying that ANet does not have to ban on first offense. Or even millionth offense. But that they can ban for breach of TOS. And they have banned for breach of TOS due to rudeness. You should go see the support section and look for threads made by their buddies going why was my friend suspended/banned. Or why was I on a three day ban? Then ANet steps in and provides the evidence of rudeness.

Ally.4382:

OrbitalButt.5708:

Hahaha

P.S. – Please, oh please, reuse your metaphors, specifically the one where you compare bad behavior online to mass murder

EDIT: He’s saying you can’t provide more of what you never provided in the first place you lackwit

AND HERE WE ARE BACK AT THAT POINT AGAIN

Me: Tries, as a sidenote, to make some serious awareness of cyber-abuse.

You: Insults me some more.

Me: Says thanks for proving my point.

You: Insults some more.

It’s beyond me how people don’t see my point after Your posts specifically…

So should someone being called “lackwit” after someone lacked the wit to understand an Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland quote result in a ban/censor/block/ignore?

Is this where your line is?

If I were to say, murder your family. Would you accept “ignoring” me as a good form of justice for my crimes?

So if I go outside and get kitten d tonight somewhere… Is that my fault too?

Here are those metaphors you were talking about, you know, the ones where you equate Mean Online Words to literal [extremely bad thing that rhymes with “grape”] and murder

Sry if i din’t read all of this…

So basically you experienced somone beeing rude – like ‘go hang yourself’-rude. You go go report them and carry on for the moment. Afterwards a few days later you see him on mapchat still beeing rude to other people. Now you conclude that the report system isn’t enough and that this person goes on and harras people wich is a toxic thing for the whole community. Since you want the community to become a better place, you want to improve the inadequate system. Am i right – please correct me if i missunderstand you?

Thing is: It’s ANets game. So ANet only takes action if there is a reason for it and if the community as a whole demands it (like the current LFG situation). This place should be the place for this, but as you can see – there isnt enough to justify an overhaul of the system because the majority of the players seems to go fine with it.

Hope you understand that i don’t spend anymore thoughts in improvements of the system since i think it’s a waste of time :/ Current system meets my needs (Block → Report → Let ANet handle the judging).

Ally.4382:

No. NO. No. No and No. sigh

I don’t want to put more examples, but basically, saying to someone, “Hey maybe it’s you.” or “Look at your own actions first.” is essentially saying it’s my fault. That I asked for the abuse I received. Which I would love to reuse my metaphor’s for right now to explain better but someone will get mad about that again no doubt, so I wont.

It’s Simple. I didn’t ask for any of it ingame. End. Done. Finito.

And no, it’s not about someone being rude. I was using “rude” as a word/quote from someone else. I consider what I received more than simply “rude”.

No. You claim to have received so much in game abuse that your block list is getting full. Many many others say that is not the case. So I’ll be extremely clear with my comparison.

The fact that it’s SO MANY, it could very well be you. Should people still treat you bad, no. But if it is what you are saying, then you also shouldn’t be doing it. That’s not victim blaming, that’s saying both parties are in the wrong. And the worse I ever gotten in this game is asked if I would suck a guys stuff. And I’ve gotten that a few times. Never seen death threats, haven’t talked to anyone who received 1, let alone so many it’s scaring them.

Ally.4382:

I don’t care for the most part what you do with your friends in map chat, it’s very easy to tell whether people are joking around with each other or not. But I reckon about 80% of people come on for some R&R. I don’t count or appreciate personal attacks or ganging up on someone, whoever they are, as R&R. I think whatever guidelines Anet have set out (maybe they’ve changed, I haven’t checked in a super long time) they should stick to them. Whatever threshold they’ve set in their own policies, I think they should follow that.
I’m questioning whether they actually do that, and follow their own rules they set out.

It’s pretty simple really for me, personally…
If the game policy says, don’t be a butt, you’ll get banned.
And then you go around being a butt.
I fully expect them to follow through on their word, and ban you.

However I think the whole cyber-abuse thing needs to not be taken so lightly, and shrugged off because for some reason they can’t determine who is in the wrong. I think a simple read of the chatlog would suffice, as it’s very easy to determine imho who started what with most report tickets.

Well your first problem is taking terms of service as law. It’s not. It’s there to protect Anet from the law, to some degree. That is to say, they have the option to ban, not that they have to ban and saying that putting something in the TOS is a guarantee of behavior is not realistic.

For example, they put in the TOS that they can pretty much do anything they want, but then they don’t do anything they want. It’s just protection.

Most recently we’ve heard a change in the way names are vetted and what names will be allowed to stay or leave. Originally they were much stricter, but they’ve relaxed the rules.

So looking at the TOS and saying those are the lines is not of any real use to anyone.

I’ve asked you for what your lines are, I’d expect if you want changes, you’d lay out where that line is.

Ally.4382:

I don’t want to put more examples

…..

“Take some more tea,” the March Hare said to Alice, very earnestly.

“I’ve had nothing yet,” Alice replied in an offended tone, “so I can’t take more.”

— Alice in Wonderland, Lewis Carroll

Ally.4382:

Coulter.2315:

If you’re getting such a terrible reaction from “hundreds” or “thousands” of people have you ever thought it might be you?

Block exists, use it.

Be careful about inviting people to have global supression of speech too – might not be good in the long run.

Thanks for once again saying it’s me
Good to know where people stand on this sort of thing. It’s my fault they did what they did to me.

Example 1: He didn’t say it was you, he asked if ever thought you own behaviour might be to blame?

Ally.4382:

Talyn.3295:

Ally.4382:

The block list is only so long… We’re talking about hundreds, thousands of these horrible horrible people. But essentially you’re saying, let them get away with it still?

Excuse my examples, but:
If I were to say, murder your family. Would you accept “ignoring” me as a good form of justice for my crimes?

I understand people still do not want to take cyber bullying (for lack of a better phrase) seriously. But it IS real.

Been playing this game since launch. Can’t say I have ever had to block anyone for being a jerkism or for crimes against justice. And hundreds or thousands of horrible people?

I am sorry but I tend to side with occam’s razor. Is you are running into horrible people morning, noon and night maybe start by looking at your self first

I hate that it had to come to someone essentially saying I am the problem… That it’s me…
So if I go outside and get kitten d tonight somewhere… Is that my fault too?

These things are real, and should not be ignored, nor should the victim be victimised further, as is starting to happen in this case already.

Example #2, person said to look at your own actions. That’s not mobbing, that’s asking you to sit down and actually see if you are the problem. Sometimes the “victim” is actually the instigator.

Ally.4382:

Seera.5916:

If you give us more information on the rudeness you’re seeing most of the time, then maybe we can talk about what can be done. But until you do, we’re not going to discuss what most of us feel happens only rarely, beyond going: that’s not what I see.

It’s just a case of “rude person” is rude.
I report. Nothing happens.
Later Date: “rude person” is rude again.
Report again. Nothing happens.
Rinse and repeat endlessly

So either:
A. They need said “rude person’s” money income over temp muting/banning them.
B. They disagree with what has been said/done is rude.
C. They are so inundated with support tickets/reports they simply can’t do anything quick enough.

We know it’s Not B. because I think we all can agree death threats are serious…
And if it’s C. then that is why I suggested alternative support help from player helpers. :p

Pretty sure this post is all about someone being rude. Your entire example is about someone being rude. Then you say “It’s not B because death threats are serious.” Your example isn’t about death threats, it’s about someone being rude. That’s why numerous times you were told to give a specific example of what you are experiencing, and this is what you gave.

So these are just 3 different posts from you.

The question is always what is the threshold for offense that should be punishable bannable. It differs with each person so there has to be a lot of leeway.

You’re seeing this level of insult everywhere you go to the point where your block list is not big enough. I’m not seeing this at all and I’ve not had this experience. I actively participate in map chat, I don’t have my swear filter on, and I’ve put like a dozen people in my block list in 3.5 years. Obviously I’m not seeing this level of offense.

But I’ve also played well over 10,000 hours and spent a good portion of that time in the open world. If things were nearly as bad as you’re suggesting, I should have seen a lot more of it.

My conclusion is that there are things you find offensive that I don’t find offensive. If that’s the case, there are likely things you find offensive that support doesn’t find offensive.

The question becomes where is the bar.

If someone threatens to harm you, I agree that’s a line you shouldn’t cross. But that said, how can anyone find you to do this, or know you’re address.

I’ve said to friends in map chat keep it up, I’m going to kick your kitten and you, as a third party might think, that’s reportable behavior. The person I said it to, however, is laughing with me on mumble, or giving me the proverbial finger in guild chat.

So as a starting point, what are the lines you draw for a bannable offense…besides death threats, which we agree on.

They do say the devil is charming.

I wasn’t implying anything, Ally. I think you subconsciously wrote exactly what you were feeling. You should listen to your subconscious. It’s given you the answer you’re looking for.

Ally.4382:

Seera.5916:

So you literally get thousands of death threats?

If so, there is likely something you’re doing that’s causing it, be it intentional or not.

If not, please for the sake of the thread, STOP using it as if it is something you literally get thousands of. Because it IS hurting your argument.

No, I never said that, never did, the ones that I have received I did not ask for, nor did I provoke.

But when asked for other examples of rudeness you’ve perceived, all you come up with is the death threat. If you get thousands of rude remarks it shouldn’t be too hard to come up with an example that is not a death threat. But since you haven’t, it made me wonder.

So please, stop with the death threat example. It’s obvious you can’t persuade people in this thread to be on your side with that example. By now you should realize that a different example is needed if you’re going to convince any of us.

Zoltar MacRoth.7146:

Deedrick.4372:

Seriously a third page of this nonsense? When you quit because all the rude folk out there can I have your stuff?

Hey!!! I asked first!

Sorry can we split it, I couldn’t actually read very far past the halfway point on the first page.

To think about this in a way that makes since, could bad grammar be this excessive rudeness being discussed?

Ally.4382:

I have tried to use the examples I have given in the thread

O_O

Uh. I must have blinked as they went past. Can you repeat them?

Seriously a third page of this nonsense? When you quit because all the rude folk out there can I have your stuff?

Ally.4382:

Qugi.2653:

If you see same people still that offend you then you do not use block tool as intend. It impossible to see chat from person you block. So what this say is you do not use block tool.

I do not say what some people say bad in game is right. But if you do not use block tool to help not see what these people say that offend then I do not know what to tell you.

As many say report and block. You will enjoy game much more not worry about these people because you can not see what they say.

If somebody was being offensive, I could block them, then tomorrow said person could come up to you, Qugi, and be offensive to you…
I think it would be nice if that could be prevented. That’s all I am trying to achieve here.

Qugi then blocks them… Or maybe he doesn’t because he doesn’t find them offensive he finds them funny… This leads to the main problem – you are now deciding what Qugi can and cannot read.

Your desire for preblocking based on your own subjective definition (which seems a little oversensitive) of “offensive” removes Qugi’s ability to choose. This power I will not entrust to you or anyone else, I can make my own blocking choices.

Imagine I decide your notions are offensive Ally, I block you, you’re now invisible to everyone – does this outcome not concern you?

Ally.4382:

Qugi.2653:

If you see same people still that offend you then you do not use block tool as intend. It impossible to see chat from person you block. So what this say is you do not use block tool.

I do not say what some people say bad in game is right. But if you do not use block tool to help not see what these people say that offend then I do not know what to tell you.

As many say report and block. You will enjoy game much more not worry about these people because you can not see what they say.

If somebody was being offensive, I could block them, then tomorrow said person could come up to you, Qugi, and be offensive to you…
I think it would be nice if that could be prevented. That’s all I am trying to achieve here.

And I would use report and block tool as intend. Then go back to enjoy my game forget about this person. But again you say see player repeat offend. So you do not use block tool if you see same person again that offend you. Sorry but use tool available.

I believe person that repeat offend many player get block enough they talk to them self after some time. I do not care because I never see them again.

It’s not mobbing for us to tell you that our experiences don’t match yours, that the examples you give to back yourself up are either hypothetical, vague or so extreme as to be unlikely to be a daily thing. Nor is it mobbing to tell you to use the tools the game gives you before you ask for more tools. If you had been blocking you wouldn’t be seeing multiple offenses from the same person and you wouldn’t feel the need to ask for more tools to do what the game is already doing for everyone else here.

From now on, block. And you won’t need these extra tools you’re asking for.

Ally.4382:

Coulter.2315:

If one person calls you a horse – ignore them, if two people call you a horse – tell them to sod off, if three people call you a horse – maybe its time to look for a saddle (or something like that).

I think you might be a little over sensitive or perhaps you’re antagonising people.

Again you have the power to stop them at the very first message you don’t like, block.

Also “did what they did to me” is a little melodramatic, you read something unpleasant on the internet, don’t blow it out of proportion.

There we go with the you’re sensitive again, maybe I AM, maybe I’m NOT? How does that make any of this acceptable? It doesn’t. It shouldn’t.

Make WHAT acceptable? What are we talking about? Give one clear example of a chat conversation where someone was rude to you or make a death threat and we can look at it and say whether it’s acceptable or not.

And, no, you don’t need screenshots. Surely you read the conversations? Just recite the last one. I’ll even give you some (hypothetical) example:

Fred (not his real name): I say, old bean!
George (not his real name): Huh? Me?
Fred: Indeed. You stuffed up my pvp winning streak, you scruffy nerf-herder!
George: Sorry.
Fred: That won’t do, old chap. Tonight I shall dine on your liver.
George: What time shall I expect you?

There you go. An example of rudeness… or is it?

Ally.4382:

TexZero.7910:

Just going on what’s been displayed in this thread alone, i can see why you might rub someone the wrong way if it your intent may have been genuine.

Well, I could read this entire thread from start to finish again, and again, and could not understand that at all. I came here looking for suggestions and discussion, and all I got was mobbed. :/

If this thread is your definition of “mobbed” then people should be worried when you call for a global censor – and they are worried by you, hence the “mob.”

If you are blocking so many people the list can’t keep you safe then some of your own behaviour needs adjusting.

Block functions perfectly well and no extra censorship is needed in game (you could also put on a filter if you are still unhappy).

Also “death threats” do not exist in GW2, you cannot have your life in any danger (they don’t know where you live, unless the trolls are coming from inside the house lightning cracks).

Ally.4382:

Seera.5916:

So you literally get thousands of death threats?

If so, there is likely something you’re doing that’s causing it, be it intentional or not.

If not, please for the sake of the thread, STOP using it as if it is something you literally get thousands of. Because it IS hurting your argument.

No, I never said that, never did, the ones that I have received I did not ask for, nor did I provoke.

So how many death threats have you had? Over what period? And can you give one example of what constitutes a “serious” death threat? Just state some clear numbers and this whole confusing side-argument can be wrapped up.

Ally.4382:

The tools will be used. I will contact them in due course with a ticket I am sure.
If they truly disagree with what I have outlined as unacceptable. Then yes, don’t worry, I will leave the game, as clearly I’m in the wrong place. Playing the wrong game.
Yes. Case closed. On that much at least.

I would definitely advise not trying Archeage then. This community is a collection of saints in comparison. Just thank your lucky stars there isn’t “global” chat. You can always go to one of the literally dozens of other maps if map chat is the problem.

Even if you are level 10 in Queensdale, there are still 4 other maps to go to.

If the problem is whispers, and you don’t block, there is nothing anyone can do.

I have played this game for a few thousand hours over the last 3 years. I may be “lucky” (rngesus would not agree), but I and others here have not seen the huge issues you are posting about. I block and report goldsellers. Other then that, I guess I have blocked a few others in 3 years, but I can’t for sure say. If I have, they could be counted on 1 hand.

If your experience is that different, I am sorry for that. But that doesn’t make this a bad community. As said earlier, go spend a few hours in Archeage, and you will probably agree with me after you see a community that fits your dreary description.

Ally.4382:

TexZero.7910:

Just going on what’s been displayed in this thread alone, i can see why you might rub someone the wrong way if it your intent may have been genuine.

Well, I could read this entire thread from start to finish again, and again, and could not understand that at all. I came here looking for suggestions and discussion, and all I got was mobbed. :/

No. You weren’t mobbed. You didn’t agree with people who didn’t agree with you, and thus they were attacking you. You did it a few times, and others have pointed it out.

Some people do not agree with you. And you told them they were wrong. Yet you were “mobbed”.

Ally.4382:

I do however see them around again yes, repeat offending whether it be to me again, or others (it does not matter).

If you see same people still that offend you then you do not use block tool as intend. It impossible to see chat from person you block. So what this say is you do not use block tool.

I do not say what some people say bad in game is right. But if you do not use block tool to help not see what these people say that offend then I do not know what to tell you.

As many say report and block. You will enjoy game much more not worry about these people because you can not see what they say.