Guild Wars 2

usnedward.9023:

Brigand.9502:

I am a 100% supporter of voice communication in games where player cooperation is key, such as in GW2 WvW. I can imagine the hilarity that would ensue if a football team never talked to each other during a game, or if a LoL team couldn’t hear call outs, or if you’re office staff never talked with each other to land that big client.

I don’t use a mic so I don’t talk but it is a huge help to hear what the Commander is saying. It’s amazingly obvious how successful a team is that is in TS versus one that isn’t.

If you find another TS user to be abrasive or distracting, mute them and you never have to listen to them again. If someone is being hateful, you are well within your right to ask them to stop (hey just like real life!) and I would even encourage you to bring issues to the TS Admins and they can permanently ban someone who is harassing other players or being hateful. Most (maybe all?) of the TS Admins I know would do that.

Good luck!

Question and a serious one. What do you do about the hearing impaired? I having hearing difficulties for one (not deaf) but really hard to follow in TS or what have you. Generally I follow in game chat and pin…

If you are hearing impaired you are an exception and not the average. When you are in a squad of 45 and have 17 people on TS I guarantee you that the 28 who are not on TS are not hearing impaired.

Unfortunately, this means a bit of extra work for you as far as being closer to optimal effective in a organized / semi-organized group play. But its doable.

What you can do ? First, join 2 or 3 WVW guilds. WVW guilds do not have 100% rep requirement, in fact, many will tell you to feel free to switch unless you run under the guild tag and you do have multiple guild slots.

Then you need to let people in those guilds know about your personal situation, especially guild leaders / officers and commanders. They will work with you. Even the ones that seem abrasive or get frustrated will lighten up for you.

You can play a multitude of roles in a squad and will eventually get fairly good at them and their execution once you become a part of their guild metas. You will still be missing reaction time no matter what, but it will be a huge improvement over what it is now.

The guilds you join and work with will always have a spot for you no matter what, TS or no TS. And heres another thing. As most people you play with have several guilds and they switch between them, over time you will become a regular player on the server and anyone that knows you will have such a spot for you as well regardless if you are in their guild or not.

This does take some commitment, practice and patience though, do not expect for things to happen overnight, but they will.

TS when it is disciplined is great. However very, very few are and most of the time all I hear is yammering while I am concentrating on my rotations, defensive positioning, enemy reads, etc. It is typically a distraction for me with commanders yelling, people talking over other people or having some fairly inappropriate social conversation.

Too many people need to fill silence with useless words so TS often becomes a public toilet of conversation.

BTW Roamers and Havoc Squads contribute more to the tick than zerglings by a mile and don’t need TS to be highly contributing members of a matchup community.

A commander is choosing to tag up. In their squad, it’s their rules. If the commander wants their squad in voice, that’s perfectly fine. You have a choice to join or not.

Not all voice comms are the same. Some are toxic, some aren’t. Please stop painting everyone with the same brush.

Play the way you want. Don’t join voice. But don’t be upset if that choice has consequences.

If you think voice doesn’t matter, then tag up and textmand. Set your own squad rules. That’s your choice, too.

Your playing part of the game that takes the most communication and coordination, I believe it’s perfectly normal for someone to insist on use of TS/Discord. Information is shared far faster if all you need to do is press your P2Talk button, as opposed to standing still, typing out a message, then moving.

People want better organized gameplay.

Prysin.8542:

henchmen.1856:

Fluffball.8307:

I have a 1 year old that I prefer sleeps rather than is up at like 3 am. If the PUGmander can’t handle that, kitten em.

headphones exist for a reason. no one is saying you have to talk.

holodoc.5748:

TS is not a requirement for effectively contributing to WvW. As a matter of fact a lot of people, myself included, do not join TS because of all the side effects that come with joining a public place like that. Screaming, producing all kinds of bodily noises, publicly sharing personal sexual fantasies, picking fights with other people on TS… No thank you.

what kind of weird as server are you on….

My thoughts exactly XD

On a sidenote. TS is free, it allows for easy, effortless real time communication. If you do not want to listen to the chatter, reduce volume of TS overall, then bump the volume of the commanders only. That way, you only hear what you need to hear.

The point of TS, is also not JUST for you to hear others, its for others to relay info TO YOU. A commander/zerg isnt always able to relay info in text or through links. Having to tie up a scout or another roamer to relay said info to you, because you refuse to use a simple free program to stay in the loop, wastes not just the commanders time, but OUR time.

We are all in this together. Using TS, lowering the volume so you arent bothered by it. Its easy, its FREE and i dare say it’s simply “good manners”

I personally believe it’s good manners to assume that if someone isn’t on teamspeak, it’s because they have perfectly valid reasons.

You aren’t letting the side down by not using it or something. If anything I dare say the side is letting you down by trying to force the issue.

=P

henchmen.1856:

Fluffball.8307:

I have a 1 year old that I prefer sleeps rather than is up at like 3 am. If the PUGmander can’t handle that, kitten em.

headphones exist for a reason. no one is saying you have to talk.

holodoc.5748:

TS is not a requirement for effectively contributing to WvW. As a matter of fact a lot of people, myself included, do not join TS because of all the side effects that come with joining a public place like that. Screaming, producing all kinds of bodily noises, publicly sharing personal sexual fantasies, picking fights with other people on TS… No thank you.

what kind of weird as server are you on….

My thoughts exactly XD

On a sidenote. TS is free, it allows for easy, effortless real time communication. If you do not want to listen to the chatter, reduce volume of TS overall, then bump the volume of the commanders only. That way, you only hear what you need to hear.

The point of TS, is also not JUST for you to hear others, its for others to relay info TO YOU. A commander/zerg isnt always able to relay info in text or through links. Having to tie up a scout or another roamer to relay said info to you, because you refuse to use a simple free program to stay in the loop, wastes not just the commanders time, but OUR time.

We are all in this together. Using TS, lowering the volume so you arent bothered by it. Its easy, its FREE and i dare say it’s simply “good manners”

Zephyra.4709:

Great communication is key, whether it is text on screen or via voice chat programs like TS or discord.

Many good commanders will ask their zerg to be on TS and this can stem out to scouts and/or roamers on other BLs.

Like real life and social groups – each server’s community differs in maturity and it isn’t uncommon to have the odd group or individuals whom talk or treat others disrespectfully in TS. Never had to block anyone in TS, there’s a few clowns for sure but they move on or you/your friends do to another channel.

I will state it’s fair if you join a squad or intend to follow a commander that in being kicked for not being in TS as per his/her orders is deserving. Their house, their rules.

It’s nice to know what’s going on in TS instead of relying on team chat for details which may be too late.

All too common I see a zerg having missed potential because a third of the squad is not in TS not having listened to the adverts for TS and therefore, has no idea what movement/callouts will be. These people disappoint me and let their teammates down.

I think where it becomes objectionable is when a commander labours under the false impression that the entire map/server is “their house” and hence should play by “their rules”, rather than just the squad. Which you do see sometimes.

Not in TS =/= Rallybot.

If a group wants people to be on TS, then be expected to go on TS and don’t whine for getting kicked. If a group doesn’t care, then also respect those who doesn’t care. Go start your own group or do your own thing with your own rule instead of complaining

Just don’t be a rallybot.

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yea.. there’s a reason I’m not on TS

Eater of Peeps.9062:

Puck.9612:

kittening millennials……
@Eater of Peeps, buying the game gives you access to wvw, it doesn’t hire a group of people for you to play with.
You want a zerg that plays on your terms, buy a tag, start leading. No one is obligated to spend their play time, on a game they also payed for, doing kitten for you.

Cant afford a tag. Don’t want to lead. Purchase gives me access to advertised content, which includes commander led squads. No one said anyone is obligated to me. No one said ppl must do as I say when leading their squads. But I will call them out for their bad form, and I will do it as often as they do it. Maybe then, they’ll think about not being such a …… w.e.

No one should have to say that people should follow the demands of a COMMANDER in a squad or be kicked. It’s something that should be instinctive. You shouldn’t have to be kicked out of squads of commanders with rules you don’t like. You should leave on your own accord

You are allowed access to commander led squads. However commanders are allowed to choose the criteria for their squads and can’t kick and invite those who break or follow the rules accordingly. There’s a kick function for a reason. That’s advertised content. You can’t say that you shouldn’t be prevented from access to advertised content and then turn around and say commanders can’t use advertised content.

To all the naysayers in this thread:

Being a commander in WvW is one of the most nerve-wracking, stressful, downright holy-hell hard thing to do. It requires a lot of knowledge of the game – from cool downs of abilities to class mechanics to map politics and not to mention some charisma to get other people to follow their lead again and again, every time they show that icon above their head. The commander technically holds the faith and performance of every player that decides to follow them in battle.

Voice Communications is a god-send to them – as it expedites what they want and plan to do in order to achieve victories, informs them instantaneously of the status of their force and therefore react in time(hopefully) to the situation at hand.

Yes, it is not required to have Voice Comms playing WvW, but it became a standard due to its usefulness and any commander worth a salt will require anyone following them to use it.

Since the dawn of this game mode, servers have been asking all active players of WvW to join whatever voice communications program their server has. The “new to WvW” player guides that popped up all over reddit and the forums recently all highly suggested joining them. It has become part of the game mode. Get over it.

If you cannot use it for whatever reasons and the commander is requiring you to, don’t take it personally if you get kicked out of the squad. There are other ways to play WvW without following a commander – roam or be one yourself . Try being on their shoes and see how far you can go.

Seera.5916:

Now, if the commander kicked you because you’re deaf, then I’d be saying I hoped you reported him and he’ll get his karma from ANet. But he didn’t. He kicked from the squad because you were not complying with the requirements for the squad. He didn’t want to have to worry about remembering the one exception out of many on the squad.

Though I have made statements of hearing issues I have never and I stress NEVER been insulted when I have spoken up about it. Though there are various ranges of saltiness in the game I think for the most part people are respective when people raise general concerns like this.

Even if I were to to join TS it is pointless running background processes I am not using and either I am in the group or not. No point in whining about it and I get along just fine. They can’t stop you from running with them regardless they can only kick from squad. So no worries from me.

It is acceptable for a commander to be able to determine the criteria for being in their squad.

What’s not acceptable to me is someone taking one incident of lost fun and ruining it for countless others for hours on end. Which is apparently what you did and as I’ve not heard you say otherwise, I’m inclined to believe is what you did.

Honestly, your reaction to what that commander did, is worse than what the commander did. His action only affected you in a negative way. Your action affected everyone on the map who needed the chat. You potentially ruined more peoples’ fun than the commander you’re complaining about. Not to mention, may have ruined your chances at fun in the future if you’re so stuck on needing to be in a squad to have fun in WvW. Considering your reaction, I wouldn’t want you in my squad. You make mountains out of mole hills.

Also, no where did I say you were playing the victim card. I said you lost any support because you ceased to be the victim. Other players on the server may have seen you as the victim of a too strict commander who should have let you remain in the squad until the squad filled up – there was no one who was willing to comply with the requirements waiting to get in. But when you went off the way you did for as long as you ceased to be a victim. There’s no call for being mean to someone back.

Wasn’t saying you should be a doormat either. But there’s a difference between being firm and polite and being firm and rude. And based on what I’ve read from you and others, you weren’t being firm and polite about your being kicked. You can stand up for yourself without knocking the other person down.

Now, if the commander kicked you because you’re deaf, then I’d be saying I hoped you reported him and he’ll get his karma from ANet. But he didn’t. He kicked from the squad because you were not complying with the requirements for the squad. He didn’t want to have to worry about remembering the one exception out of many on the squad.

You’re not being excluded because you’re deaf. You’re not excluded from zerg squads that don’t require TS – just the ones that require it. And it’s your choice to not install TS and just have it on and be accepted into squads that require TS. You could always install it and make your username/display name something that alludes to you being deaf. Like Eater of Peeps is DEAF. And then alerting the commander that you are indeed deaf and would like text commands when possible.

Eater of Peeps.9062:

To: Seera.5916:

Your’e right! All protest/complaint should be silenced! I should take my boot graciously, so everyone else can play comfortably.

A cmdr has the right to be unreasonably mean. Then, I can either silently sulk in a corner, my day ruined, or speak out, asking others to not support this type of elitist play that precludes people unreasonably. I chose the latter. Why should cmdrs/players cite my behavior as undesirable? Because theyr’e annoyed? I was annoyed. Everyone should be annoyed. This type of behavior should not be tolerated by anyone on a friendly, casual game. Its an excuse to engage in bullying/prejudice.

Yes, I’m vocal. I used forums/TC to state my op to make ppl aware of the egregious end effect (being booted as well as prejudicial bullying nature of the boot) of the cmdr’s intractable decision. It happened again last nite, btw, and its not 1st time I’ve been a recipient of this behavior from cmdrs in WvW. If more cmdrs want to block a silent good player from the entire WvW cmdr-led squad experience of game play (something I’m sure Anet doesn’t want), then so be it. If I am disliked for calling out another player’s poor decision while in a leadership role, so be it.

Let’s be clear:

I was polite and gracious, at 1st, with this cmdr and his support players. They name called 1st, which does in fact excuse any “name calling” I did back. If I lost your respect and others’ respect because I mildly responded to being told to go kill myself and called every disgusting name in the book via TC

Holy kitten snowflake. Maybe wvw isnt your thing? Plenty o other things to do. Yhere have been a tjoisand possibilities provided to in this thread. You know what. What happened to you was unfair and you have complained. You arent going to start a movement or a revolution. I understand you are upset but nothing will be done. There is no solution for you. Report commander for harrasment maybe let anet handle it. You are in a game mode that is inherantly unfair. Im sorry nothing can be done in here or in game unless you contact anet directly. I think this thread has covered every arguement.

Use voice to text window software overlays. Join TS, turn on speakers (or use the plug-in), run software. Take the box and place it right over the same area as the chat window (or right above your dodge bar). Kids these days with their excuses…

Some text is garbled junk – but you get the gist of it During battles, most of it is power up, leap in, bomb here (repeat), get on me, turn right, turn left, push, jump down, get ready to push, kill this down, blah blah blah … 95% of commanders prefer you don’t even talk anyway, just listen.

Black Frog.9274:

As a member of the gaming community in many, many games over the last 15 years, with many, many friends in them to tell me all about it, plus what I see in chat and, cough, forums, it’s a fair statement. If your particular TS community is pleasant and welcoming, I’m glad to hear it.

Sorry to hear that so apperently many people have bad experiences on TS. I can only speak from my experiences from the GW2 EU WvW communities and those have almost exclusively been positive. And due to the joy of relinking and being on a small (guest) server until recently, I have experienced quite a lot of commanders from different servers.

The one exception was a guy who made bodily noises on purpose on TS. I left TS and the squad and just never joined that particular commander again. Problem solved. Occasionally there will the one person that talks too much for my taste. Mute that client, problem solved. Otherwise, TS is was such an enrichment to my WvW gaming experience that I would never go without again, even if I never speak myself.

Eater of Peeps, I understand that you feel excluded but as many have pointed out, commanders have very good reasons for the requirement. How about you try a compromise next time when you run into that problem. Whisper the commander and tell him/her that you will join TS, but will be unable to hear them due to your hearing impairment. I am very sure that some(!) will understand and invite you anyways. In the end, deaf people have their ways to compensate the lack of hearing in RL and I am sure that that applies to gaming as well (i.e., being very attentive to visual clues… I play with a crappy laptop display and certainly miss out on combat info due to that). You will just have a useless programm running in the backgorund, but at least you can avoid public discussions and save you and the commander the struggle to explain why one person gets a “special treatment”.

While I don’t really care about who is right or wrong in this situation as it devolves into a “Your word vs mine” situation it is clear that there are things beyond impairments that have resulted in well…. incompatibilities that would prevent the squad from working with certain individuals.

Even if you are right, disrupting the place is not a good way to earn yourself allies. I mean one or two sarcastic jabs as a comeback is okay, and helps entertain people, but if you’re dominating the chat with hostility, then take a break and go outside.

Please do some self reflection. I also have to reevaluate my own behavior in-game and on TS from time to time as I don’t care to deny I have personality flaws of my own. I expect the same from others.

@ Eater of Peeps.

I was in the raid you are referring to, so lets get a couple things straight.

The commander decided to make a new squad and only invite people who were in TS and knew what they were doing.
This was absolutely the right decision, our results improved dramatically.

Initially I was sympathetic to your situation, but you managed to destroy that with your extraordinary, 3 hour, textual eruption in team chat.
I’ve honestly never seen spam of that magnitude, most of the server were convinced that you were a troll.
You can’t come to this forum and claim the moral high ground, when you spent the entire evening telling the com ‘I hope terrible things happen to you IRL’.

I will also add that even if you had been in the squad, you would have been little more than a rally bot/bag.
The gear that you linked in chat (which no one asked for) showed that you were running a full zerker guard.
If you don’t understand why this would be a bad thing for yourself and the group as a whole, I suggest you do a little more research into the game mode before blaming others.

Black Frog.9274:

Eater of Peeps.9062:

If only 1 cmdr is on, and the squad’s not full, what’s the justification for this punitive action (cuz its only punitive). This is true also in those cases where cmdrs boot people for not having certain classes. Perhaps a little more credence if the zerg is full, but punitively obnoxious if its half empty.

This is kind of what it comes down to. If a commander takes the extra step of booting deaf people from a squad that’s not full, there’s no way to claim that it isn’t discrimination. Can someone please tell me what is lost if a member of a non-full squad doesn’t meet the requirements? If I lag behind or miss some maneuver, so what?

The largest, most successful group in Eve got to be that way by taking advantage of this exact disparity in view point. When they started, there were elitist groups and commanders who wanted “only the best.” So this group recruited heavily among noobs, unskilled, clueless, ragged, depraved, careless, and uncompetitive players and taught them how to win while having fun.

I’d like to take every commander in WvW and move them over to Eve Online. Commanding a fleet is orders of magnitude more complicated than running around in circles on a static map, hitting the same targets, with the same limited number of tactical options, and the same tidy little scoring system. If I can participate at full effectiveness in a fleet or, more accurately, several coordinated fleets, with nothing but chat and in game fleet tools, I’m absolutely certain you can do it in this pale imitation of group combat.

Only if he was booted for being deaf. He wasn’t. The commander decided that he wanted all members in his squad in TS. Eater of Peeps wasn’t in TS, nor willing to get on TS. His reason was logical, but it doesn’t change the fact that commanders can set the requirements for their squads and be as strict or as lenient as they choose. I’d lean towards strict myself, because then no one can claim the rules were bent for one person but another.

Black Frog.9274:

As a member of the deaf community, [..] it’s an unbelievably toxic environment.

I’m sorry that you’re interpreting reports of voice comms as a toxic environment, but without having experienced it for yourself, I find it quite unfair for you to paint the various and different server communities with such a broad brush.

Pretty interesting thread, and my interest was peaked after a couple of players following on FA running troll tags as we didn’t want them to join squad without joining TS3 (they didn’t want to install it).

A commander with a squad of 30 plus can be incredibly busy, and if they’re taking their raid seriously, have every right to insist upon everyone in squad being in TS3 if they want. My own eyes tell me that players not on TS3 die far more frequently than those following voice comms. I can understand why it’s easier to just have a blanket rule – be on TS3 or don’t be in squad.

It’s a shame that the commander didn’t have the time (nor decency?) to deal with you in whispers and understand your disability. But from running a tag, I can understand why it happens. Commanders are checking the map, replying to their own friends, following scout reports, and also trying to have fun themselves.

It would’ve been ultimately preferable to run with the zerg separately (you’re a guardian after all – it’s not like you lack stab), and over time remind the tag you’ve been running and ask for an invite. Engagement and positive attitude really does help, including with the tag’s guildies who may be helping out with squad management.

For those complaining that WvW TS groups are horrible places with vulgar people talking about things you don’t want to hear about, consider this. By joining a squad, you are indicating a willingness to play with another group of people. Yet by refusing to join TS3, you’re refusing to engage with these people in any meaningful way, which obviously comes across pretty badly. I understand how it prompts arguments – it’s like the kid in the playground wanting to play ball but not wanting to be friends with anyone.

As dozens of others in this thread have said, you’re under no obligation to play with any of these people, and nor they you. If you don’t want to communicate, roam, flip camps, run solo. And those people matter more than zerglings.

If you’re following a commander who’s on TS so should you for greater coordination.

If you’re just roaming in a smaller group, you should at least pay attention to team/map chat and ensure you come to aid commander if they need for a kittenault/defense… because there’s nothing more irritating than having full map and not a full squad and losing an important objective (defend garri, capture keep) because some roamers wanted to capture a camp and took away from potential squad numbers…

kittening millennials……
@Eater of Peeps, buying the game gives you access to wvw, it doesn’t hire a group of people for you to play with.
You want a zerg that plays on your terms, buy a tag, start leading. No one is obligated to spend their play time, on a game they also payed for, doing kitten for you.

The hijacked thread 101.

I’m sorry but I stopped reading some posts, because at times it seems the poster is for TS and others it seems they are against it, it was hard to keep up.

TS is actually a really simple issue. If you don’t want to or can’t join TS then don’t. If the squad rules are you be on TS, then find another squad if you don’t want to or can’t comply. If you still have issue then find another server.

Teamspeak matters and it makes a difference. If you’re following a commander who’s asking you to use it and you’re not, expect to a) not be invited to the squad/kicked from the squad or b) put in the trash group with all the other folks not on TS or using non-meta builds.

It isn’t a personal assault if any of these things happen to you and you shouldn’t take it as such. Some people have their reasons for not using TS, others just don’t want to. You’re not forced to but you need to understand that it’s the difference between winning and losing when it comes to serious fights. You can push PUG’s without TS all day long but when it comes to organized groups, and/or groups with most in TS while yours is not, yours is a lot more likely to lose.

TS does not automatically make people play better but it does allow for instant communication which in turn means faster and more co-ordinated play. In an environment where standing in the wrong position for a quarter of a second can be the difference between life and death, verbal commands can save a lot of lives.

With all that said, you can absolutely function and contribute without it. You are not useless if you are not in TS but you are at a disadvantage. This means you need to be extra alert and depending on your own instincts to survive while also trusting the commanders decisions and trusting your group to support you.

Some people cannot use TS for a variety of reasons but that doesn’t mean they need to act entitled. If you have a child, if you don’t want to listen to people yelling on TS, etc. etc. that doesn’t mean you need to attack people for telling you to get on TS when you can’t/don’t want to. Accept that it plays an important role in higher level zerg play and learn to function and contribute without it if you choose not to use it.

This is just a game after all and if you want to play it casually then you’re free to do so. You don’t need anyone’s validation if they think you’re useless without TS. Just remember that you’re still a part of a working body in a zerg even if you don’t want to use TS. You should want to do your best so as not to be a dead weight regardless of how/what you choose to play.

There are two issues here.

One is whether or not a deaf person should be required to be in TS. Which is pretty silly, and isn’t really what anyone is saying.

The other is whether or not a commander has the right to choose the rules for their own squad.

Eater of Peeps, the commander has every right to choose the criteria for being in his/her own squad. Even if those criteria are senseless. He could demand that people dye their armor neon colors and he/she would be in the right to kick anyone who didn’t from his/her squad. Even if the squad isn’t full.

Yes, you were unhappy that he booted you and wasn’t willing to compromise due to the reasons you don’t have teamspeak. However, the moment you started the name calling (even if he started first, doesn’t matter), you lost any support you may have had. You ceased to be the victim as there was no need to stoop to name calling.

If you had been gracious and understanding in accepting that you weren’t fitting the criteria to fit into the squad, you may have been invited in later on if you had shown value to the group even if you weren’t on TS. Or a smaller squad going after the smaller targets may have invited you to their group since you don’t need TS for those.

And given your rant was in a chat that spanned multiple maps, you may have burnt bridges with more lenient commanders and players. Because you may be on their block list so that they could see the reports scouts were giving or their commander was giving.

Just my two cents as a PvE’er who wouldn’t get on TS with strangers due to introversion.

Ragnar.4257:

Phantom.8130:

Guys. The player is DEAF. They can’t hear what you’re saying in TS. TS will do NOTHING for them. Stop behaving like brainwashed cultists.

That is irrelevant.

The commander wants a squad which operates with the level of co-ordination offered by TS. The commander is under no obligation to run a squad for you, and may operate his/her squad however they see best.

The specific reason why someone may not be able to use TS does not alter this.

I may sympathize with those reasons, but sympathy =/= obligation.

How can you possibly think that another player must do something for you, whether they want to or not?

I agree. The commander is under no obligation to act like a human being. He can be classless, baseless, unforgiving, crude, w/e. However, he shouldn’t be punitive and he shouldn’t be abusive or prejudicial towards others. Its not nice. Its not good leadership or good gamesmanship. This is supposed to be a great community. This type of behavior is grossly demoralizing, humiliating, punitive and arbitrary. It shouldn’t be encouraged by anyone. If there were more than one commander-led-squad on that day then, I would understand it. Or if the squad had been full, and he wanted to get the “best” grouping out of the more than available player base. But this was a partially full squad on a prime play day with no other cmdrs/squads in EB. The exclusion resulted in a worse net effect for the squad/server than had I stayed. So WTF. The claimed reasons for the exclusion are BS. It was personal and punitive. And I don’t know why, unless there are just some players who don’t like me and encouraged the cmdr to boot me.

Also, I do agree with you. The commander can do as he pleases. In fact, he did do as he pleased. He excluded me from running with the only partially full commander-led squad in EB for a long time while I had boosters running and was ready to continue to play. That is his prerogative. Apparently Anet condones it. It seems very unprofessional, very unsportsmanlike, very unkind, and frankly non-sensical and elitists. He can do it. He did do it. I will defend his right to be a jerk all day long. He can punish me (for what?) and be an exclusionary person. But that doesn’t mean I won’t call him out for it. It doesn’t mean I won’t make everyone aware of how outrageous I think this type of behavior is under these conditions. I will do what I want, just as he did and will continue to do as he wants. I do not say he MUST do as I say. I say it is disgraceful that he does what he does. And he is not the first, alone, or the only.

Phantom.8130:

Guys. The player is DEAF. They can’t hear what you’re saying in TS. TS will do NOTHING for them. Stop behaving like brainwashed cultists.

That is irrelevant.

The commander wants a squad which operates with the level of co-ordination offered by TS. The commander is under no obligation to run a squad for you, and may operate his/her squad however they see best.

The specific reason why someone may not be able to use TS does not alter this.

I may sympathize with those reasons, but sympathy =/= obligation.

How can you possibly think that another player must do something for you, whether they want to or not?

No, a squad is exactly a group of players.

Please tell me the difference between a squad and a guild (with regards to membership).

What content are you being excluded from by not being included in a squad? Literally the only thing you are being excluded from is being in a group with that specific group of people, you aren’t being excluded from being in a squad. You can create your own squad, same as you can create your own guild. If the 1st squad is declining everyone not on TS, there must be several of you who can make a 2nd squad. It might not be as efficient as a full squad, in the same way a small guild is not as efficient at unlocking Guild Hall as a large guild. Having to do things for yourself and not being handed them for free is not the same as being excluded from them.

Just because you’re going to have a hard time unlocking Guild Hall upgrades by yourself, doesn’t mean you have a right to impose yourself on another guild.

The fact that TS will not help improve your play, is irrelevant to the group wanting a particular level of play. All it is is “me me me, i want i want i want”. The fact that you want something, doesn’t mean you have a right to it.