Guild Wars 2

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

Eater of Peeps.9062:

I’d like community’s help stopping this exclusionary practice as it harms people, squads, servers and a great game I love for 14 yrs! Show a little respect to Anet pls and help them have the game we all want!

I agree, I think wvw commanders who exclude people for any reason (class/ts) when the squad is not full are hurting their own game mode and possibly even killing it, especially when they are the only ones tagged up in a map. But hey there squad there rules, just don’t be surprised when spvpers/pvers/new people get turned off quickly to wvw w/this type of behavior.

So run another tag and form a squad. The real problem is that people are generally closed minded and if they see a different name, they probably wouldn’t consider running anyway. To me, it is the people that defines the server, not only specific groups.

Can’t we all just agree to disagree? I don’t care for commanders that kick or require TS in order to be in their squad, however that doesn’t stop someone from either popping their own tag, getting a friend of guildie to pugmand or ask in chat if there is anyone willing to party with you despite not having TS.

Once people start talking about “infringing” on things, that should be an indication that its starting to go somewhere it doesn’t need to. (for reference, I pugmand without requiring TS and I do quite well without it as I typically call targets frequently and most of the party picks up on it, but some people need TS to achieve this or better coordination).

Eater of Peeps.9062:

Popping boosters running w/ squads, only to get booted by new cmdrs in part-full squads. Boosters r wasted. I WONT BE BUYING THEM AGAIN w/ hard earned money if I can’t use them w/ efficient game play. I’m CERTAIN ANET doesn’t want that!

Maybe if you’d stop buying BOOSTERS of all things you’d have enough for a commander tag.

I’d just like to point out that some of the most “elitist” servers (namely BG, Mag, JQ, ) are the most active and coordinated servers in NA so your claim that exclusivity and elitism are a detriment to WvW is not very well founded. Historically, the servers that have been the most, for the lack of a better term, “carebear” have fallen dramatically (IoJ, TC come to mind.)

The practice of requiring TS to join certain squads is prevalent because it is the most optimal way to play the game. No commander needs to cater to the specific individual regardless of how “special” the individual might think they are. Everyone is subject to this. If other players refuse to use TS or can’t use it and aren’t invited to squad, why should you? I for one support the TS requirement in all at least semi-serious squad.

Eater of Peeps.9062:

For 3 days I’ve encountered 7 cmdrs booting ppl (not afk) in not-full squads for elitist reasons (no TS, not rt class, we don’t like u, etc.).

In 3 days, after waiting in hr ques, I was unable to join squads on various maps for more than 10 hrs . Either cmdrs r punitive cuz I’m vocal/dissenting, disturbing their “rt to command” or else (as I suspect) the practice is prevalent.

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Just because you disagree with the benefits of keeping squads to those who fit the requirements doesn’t make them not valid or bad reasons.

It’s not horrible for commanders of squads to have requirements to be in their squad and to boot them when the requirements aren’t things that violate the TOS. And a requirement for TS is not a violation of the TOS.

Here are some suggestion:

1. Apologize for how you handled being kicked. Your disapproval with his decision did not warrant a rant in team chat, no matter how wrong or how right his decision actually was. That was something that should have been handled in a whisper or messages. Not in team chat where it disrupted everyone’s else ability to play. And mean it.

2. Acknowledge that you know why you were kicked. You don’t have to agree with his judgement call that the benefits of squad management prior to squad being full outweigh the cons, but that you realize that he does.

3. Talk with others who don’t tend to be in squads how they handle buffs and armor sets if the roam when they’re not able to find a commander willing to have them in their squad. Ask the commander if he has any suggestions or other players.

4. Learn how to roam or to scout or join/form a havoc squad to take the smaller sites that don’t require a zerg.

I wasn’t there so I don’t know if the commander handled your rant well or not or if he was able to do more than just read it given that he was commanding, but sometimes the bigger person is the one that steps up and admits that they were at least partially at fault for the situation.

Duke Dark Hart.1385:

I’ve been on CD for maybe a year now through all types of fluctuations and i stay because i love it. It’s home. both my self and my guild even if we are small have poured our hearts into CD. Tonight a blanket statement was made by someone i respect that’s a major voice on CD even if that respect only goes in one direction. That if you don’t use TS than your not an asset because you aren’t really helping. I’m sure a lot of people feel that way. I know its a big help in wvw. But it was really the first time in a year i felt like wow kitten my server.

Even if we were roamers which we aren’t we are a small ops guild of seasoned vets that responds to all major calls from tags and larger guilds for aid. I feel like that’s a pretty big kitten you to people that put in time and effort but don’t use TS. I guess i just needed to vent because if I didn’t i was gonna seethe about it until i moved my entire guild to a new server.

I don’t see why roamers not in the squad or following the tag need to be in ts3. Did you misunderstood the meanings or did you read it partially like missing the lines above the other lines or cross chat/ts3 topic? If you didn’t then yes, you should openly put down the commander.

Mal.1670:

Eater of Peeps.9062:

Reverence.6915:

holodoc.5748:

Reverence.6915:

Well, to be honest, if you’re following the tag, the correct thing to do is to join their teamspeak server if they’re advertising one. Otherwise, get off that particular tag and follow someone else, or put up a tag yourself.

There is no “correct” thing to do. If you are following an open tag (usually blue) then you are not obliged to do anything. TS is a courtesy on both sides, the one providing it and the one choosing to use it or not. However it’s by no means a required tool to play WvW efficiently or successfully.

I don’t frequent these forms too often anymore, but here’s a late reply

Yes, that is the correct thing to do. That person is leading their squad. They set it up how they want. If they don’t want to have someone not in teamspeak in their squad, that’s their right. If they don’t want non-TS users on their tag, that’s their right as well, especially since ANet refuses hidden/guild commander tags. You can go follow another tag, put up your own tag, or roam if you’re not happy with their rules.

Some good points being raised in this thread though

1. Disabilities

Yes. This is a huge problem. Those with disabilities should never be forced into teamspeak. I know I had a couple of people with hearing disabilities explain that to me so I knew to keep them in squad and not force them to join teamspeak. They even joined along later in advertising teamspeak. Also had a person that required hearing aids to hear, but still enjoyed being in teamspeak. Each person is different. Find a commander that is still happy to have you along.

2. Elitists in TS

Yeah… This is an issue. It’s extremely irritating to listen to. Having commanders call out random kitten and blaming random people that aren’t in their guild just feels bad to listen to. I’d leave the channel if that were the case

3. Noisy chatter

Okay, so it’s not for everyone, but TS3, for a lot of people, is a place to socialise with other people on your server. These are the people you have to play with day in and day out (server transfers aside). You’ll find a lot of times, that it will be the same people following specific commanders with a specific group every time. People will find their niche in their server and just hang around them. Each server is a huge community after all.

If you still prefer your music though, what I tend to do is to mute everyone but the commander, and have my music playing through my speakers, while TS3 audio goes through my headphones. Works a treat

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Honestly, it’s generally better, if you’re following the tag, to join their teamspeak. If you can’t or won’t, just don’t join that tag. Such a simple solution.

So, what tag do I follow, when they’re the only game in town, and I/ve been booted, w. purchased boosters popped and a 2 hr que? O, don’t suggest I reroll and rewait, burning up boosters/food, etc. Don’t suggest I go solo, I have a zerg build and will just get picked off, hurting the server goals. Don’t suggest I run alongside the zerg, as it exactly the same thing as running with the squad w/o TS, only I get no protections so I die more (and the zerg doesn’t get my heals) so the zerg fails more (or alienates me by not rezzing, not healing, etc) and the server goals fail more often (than if I were in squad). I’m confused. Such a simple suggestion that doesn’t help.

How does the zerg not get your heals? Not being in a squad in WvW does not prevent you from playing the game. While I think elitism in general is fricking terrible, if a commander was actually strict enough to boot players until all 50 were people in TS, hell that means your zerg is gonna be hella dedicated and stomp over pug zergs which is even better for capping and loot. You can always get better gear, it’s pointless to complain about dying in a zerg when there are always steps to take to perform better, squad or no. I don’t know what your problem is unless you’ve irritated commanders and get kicked for that reason? Lol

He got kicked a few days for not having TS and was not planning on getting on it before a squad was full when a commander switched from one who didn’t require TS to one who did. He’s got a logical reason for not having TS, he’s deaf.

However, instead of just accepting that life isn’t fair and the commander was just fine to kick for not meeting the requirements, he proceeded to rant and rave in team chat for 3 hours about it.

Therefore he’s probably got himself a pretty bad reputation tagging along that may be causing him issues. You don’t forget a 3 hour rant and rave in team chat when WvW is so busy there are queues in a few days.

holodoc.5748:

Reverence.6915:

Well, to be honest, if you’re following the tag, the correct thing to do is to join their teamspeak server if they’re advertising one. Otherwise, get off that particular tag and follow someone else, or put up a tag yourself.

There is no “correct” thing to do. If you are following an open tag (usually blue) then you are not obliged to do anything. TS is a courtesy on both sides, the one providing it and the one choosing to use it or not. However it’s by no means a required tool to play WvW efficiently or successfully.

I don’t frequent these forms too often anymore, but here’s a late reply

Yes, that is the correct thing to do. That person is leading their squad. They set it up how they want. If they don’t want to have someone not in teamspeak in their squad, that’s their right. If they don’t want non-TS users on their tag, that’s their right as well, especially since ANet refuses hidden/guild commander tags. You can go follow another tag, put up your own tag, or roam if you’re not happy with their rules.

Some good points being raised in this thread though

1. Disabilities

Yes. This is a huge problem. Those with disabilities should never be forced into teamspeak. I know I had a couple of people with hearing disabilities explain that to me so I knew to keep them in squad and not force them to join teamspeak. They even joined along later in advertising teamspeak. Also had a person that required hearing aids to hear, but still enjoyed being in teamspeak. Each person is different. Find a commander that is still happy to have you along.

2. Elitists in TS

Yeah… This is an issue. It’s extremely irritating to listen to. Having commanders call out random kitten and blaming random people that aren’t in their guild just feels bad to listen to. I’d leave the channel if that were the case

3. Noisy chatter

Okay, so it’s not for everyone, but TS3, for a lot of people, is a place to socialise with other people on your server. These are the people you have to play with day in and day out (server transfers aside). You’ll find a lot of times, that it will be the same people following specific commanders with a specific group every time. People will find their niche in their server and just hang around them. Each server is a huge community after all.

If you still prefer your music though, what I tend to do is to mute everyone but the commander, and have my music playing through my speakers, while TS3 audio goes through my headphones. Works a treat

Honestly, it’s generally better, if you’re following the tag, to join their teamspeak. If you can’t or won’t, just don’t join that tag. Such a simple solution.

To Ragnar’s post above where he stated:

“I never said TS will help a deaf person play better.

Its like an employer putting a requirement in a job-spec for “must have a masters degree in Finance”. Now you apply, and say “oh, yeah, I can’t get a masters degree because I have to use all my time and energy caring for my sick mum and infant sister”. Is the employer going to say “oh, fair enough, you’ve got a reason”? No. They’re going to say “thats unfortunate, but, this job still requires a masters”. Just because you have a reason, doesn’t mean you get to by-pass the requirements.

Or someone who can’t walk applying to be a firefighter. Sorry, but the requirement is for you to be able to haul around hoses, cut through wreckage and carry people down ladders. The fact that you have a perfectly valid reason for not being able to do those things is irrelevant, the requirement is still the requirement.

I’m not saying that a deaf person will play better for being on TS. I’m saying anyone, whether they’re deaf or not, who is not on TS will play at a lower level than someone who is.

Let me put this into numbers for you. Player on TS = 10, Player not on TS = 5. The requirement to join is “you must be a 10”. The fact that you can’t use TS for whatever reason, doesn’t stop you being a 5. You’re not on TS, so you’re still a 5. You don’t meet the requirement.

Now please try not to _"put analytical thinking aside and just spew out preprogramed phrases."

My Response:

Where to start?

1. Its not irrelevant – its the whole issue.

2. The entire argument in this post is that cuz I’m deaf, I don’t play as well as everyone in the squad on TS. I disagree. I am a better player than many in the squad that day, and TS won’t make me any better of a player.

3. No one has ever criticized my play. I played all day with the same ppl, and not once did anyone type anything to me to improve my play or criticize my play. The cmdr did not criticize my play, and I have run in zerg with him before. After 5 yrs of being a dedicated WvWer and 14 yrs on GW, I think I get how to play WvW and follow a cmdr. I don’t need TS and it won’t help me or the squad.

4. Banishing me to run beside the zerg w/o protections is the exact same thing as me running in the squad w/o TS (esp when its not full), only I die more, which hurts the zerg and hurts the server and hurts the end goal.

5. It’s not like a job search. I already have the job, I already purchased the game and am playing it. Its more like, oh, you (insert pink haired person, etc) pls stop working alongside all your fellow employees. Your new office is down in the basement alone. Some "nice people’ might come visit u once in awhile and let u come back upstairs to work alongside (but not with! not ever!) your better performing workmates. I bet most would not be ok with that.

6. Really? Anyone on TS is a better player than anyone who is not on TS? Hmm, bet there will be some resistance to that. I think its laughable especially since half the ppl on TS r not listening.

7. Player on TS = 10? Player not on TS = 5? Isn’t this elitist/superior? So I was booted because someone somewhere thought I’m not good enuf to be in squad, tho I can run alongside it and do the exact same thing and that’s ok? No one criticized my play. FYI, I don’t need TS to coordinate my actions w/ yours. Its just not that tough of a game.

10. Who decided those on TS are “10s” while those not on TS are “5s?” And that “5s” can never be as good as, or reach the levels of “10s,” so therefore, they should not be allowed to play. Ever. And for those of us who TS can’t help, cuz we can’t hear, we can just go away.

Yah, ur not saying TS will make a deaf person play better. U seem to be saying all those on TS r better players than any deaf person anywhere (cuz they’re not on TS and therefore they’re 5s and can never be 10s cuz they can never get on TS) and therefore, the deaf person will never, can never be good enuf to ever play w. a squad.

Did I misunderstand something?

You guys are acting like she’s complaining about being deaf and your missing the point. She’s talking about how disgusting she was treated because she was deaf, and also pointing out how nonsensical it is that commanders kick people who aren’t in ts, when there isn’t any reason to do so. She also articulated many good reasons why it actually hurts the squad when they do this in a zerg vs zerg.

I’ll politely summarize my infracted post which called out the OP on every point he made. The sensitivity of people on these boards these days is unreal.

For one, you’re not entitled to anything, and this isn’t a violation of the game’s ToS. There’s literally zero purpose in complaining and nobody supports someone who will carry on in map chat for hours slandering respected leading figures.

If you’ve had a rough life, it doesn’t matter. You’re a victim of some unfortunate circumstances, but there are many, many other players who are also deaf and make it work. I’ve met a few. Coming from someone who is also disabled: don’t let it define who you are as a person. If you use your disability as an excuse for anything at all, it already verifies the point others will make that you’re not qualified to run with them. Overcome it. People won’t give a kitten if you can’t hear if you play well and still promote the squad. Join the TS and tell the leader you’re deaf but still show up to show support. Showing you’re willing to support the tag means you’re willing to do what it takes to succeed. Be a better person.

If there was an ad which guaranteed commander-led groups (which I doubt), that was still fulfilled. You ran with a commander for a period of time. I know for a fact any such ad which is already a myth wouldn’t guarantee you’d be free to join any, indefinitely for obvious legal reasons.

You’re not getting re-invited and are being kicked because of your attitude. You don’t slander server leaders that are trying to do everyone else on the server a service by trying to win. Common decency, especially to do so for hours on end in public. Odds are, your name has made its rounds on the server and you are seen in a horrible light within the community. Sorry to say that unless you plan to actually improve the situation rather than playing victim of a circumstance you perpetuated and let the time pass to heal wounds, you’re probably going to be insta-booted from squads.

The commander who kicked you already made it clear he didn’t want anything holding his group back. With your attitude, I’d never invite you to a squad, because you are acting like the type of player which holds groups back.

Squads aren’t required to interact with other people. You seem to lack a basic understanding of the game’s mechanics to not realize this. A lack of game knowledge and proficiency paired with unwillingness to accept team requirements or attempt to resolve problems just screams that you’re not the type of player that is suitable for organized raids, which is fair justification as to why you got kicked to begin with.

As a fellow disabled person, if you keep hiding behind your disability as a poor excuse, you’re going to struggle a lot harder in the real world later on. Life isn’t fair. The world doesn’t care and will turn without you. Prove to other people you’re worth making accommodations for by being an equal to everyone else, whatever it is it takes, and get there with respect instead of complaining and trying to take some kind of moral high ground.

A man with one arm isn’t going to make it to the MLB, regardless of how much he loves baseball. It doesn’t change the fact he can still be respected tremendously by the baseball community and be an inspiration to other people for playing well in a lesser league.

Unless you are a very specific class, like Mesmer, where a comm may call out a portal/veil/etc, TS is not needed by most WvW knowledgeable people. You stick to the tag, be map aware, etc.

I have never been ‘forced’ into TS, and rarely do i go in as it is 99.9% of the time people yapping/laughing/etc about non=game stuff anyway, which i have no interest in. 75% of the time is talk about childish/teenage crap i can live without. I do jump in though when on a Mez if we have to coordinate veils/portals (both of which are rarely even used anymore anyway) or quickness coordinate.

I can see TS being helpful for the new WvW folks though, which can be talk through different things that they have not experienced. But for vets, TS is mainly only useful for shooting the ‘bleep’ anyway…

Jaina Ashlynn.1043:

Option 1 -> listen to Hendrix, Santana, Clapton, Stevie Ray & B.B. King

Option 2 -> listen to a somebody scream & curse at people

Hello iTunes, good bye TS.

+1 on the music choices.
Still though, if you are on tag and actually getting in fights you could just mute everyone except the commander and still listen to music.

Well you dont need to be in ts always, just sometimes.

Be in ts when:

• your server just lost a fight that could be won with teamspeak.
• the commander actually commands, doesnt make strange noises etc in ts.
• youre about to attack enemy upgraded keep and have to have fast reactions
• at reset, primetime and weekend

When you dont have to be in teamspeak:

• Youre roaming, means you only go to commander to defend important objectives like stonemist. (you dont leech commander siege). You still have to give scout reports on mapchat if you see enemy zerg.
• Its k-train or too easy. There is no proper fights, just freecap and 1-push enemy. However you have to join when enemy shows up.

Option 1 → listen to Hendrix, Santana, Clapton, Stevie Ray & B.B. King

Option 2 → listen to a somebody scream & curse at people

Hello iTunes, good bye TS.

Yes, TS is pretty key. If you are not on TS and you are with a big tag, there is even a chance you will help your enemy by dying so the enemies will rally on your corpse.

None is forcing anyone to anything. You do not have to speak if you are shy. But listening helps a lot, and not just you.

The worst is when they require you to have a mic. I mean come on! Not everyone can use a mic all the time. I kid you not, someone actually kicked me from their channel because I didn’t have a mic. That’s just a new level of elitism. This guy also had no problem calling out and deliberately trying to belittle players who were struggling in an outnumbered fight against a condi zerg. By far the most arrogant, inconsiderate commander I’ve ever encountered, and I’ve encountered some pretty awful ones.

This post is childish. It really doesn’t matter how you want to command but what I feel does matter is the team work between commanders. I do not join TS with other commanders because I’m sick of hearing the big egos and brown nosers with the brain dead drugged up people that cant say one sentence with out cursing.

If I don’t matter then so be it. I’ll lead the people that you think do not matter. And you can have all those people that think oh so highly of themselves.

Well, to be honest, if you’re following the tag, the correct thing to do is to join their teamspeak server if they’re advertising one. Otherwise, get off that particular tag and follow someone else, or put up a tag yourself.

Fluffball.8307:

I have a 1 year old that I prefer sleeps rather than is up at like 3 am. If the PUGmander can’t handle that, kitten em.

headphones exist for a reason. no one is saying you have to talk.

holodoc.5748:

TS is not a requirement for effectively contributing to WvW. As a matter of fact a lot of people, myself included, do not join TS because of all the side effects that come with joining a public place like that. Screaming, producing all kinds of bodily noises, publicly sharing personal sexual fantasies, picking fights with other people on TS… No thank you.

what kind of weird as server are you on….

holodoc.5748:

TS is not a requirement for effectively contributing to WvW. As a matter of fact a lot of people, myself included, do not join TS because of all the side effects that come with it. Screaming, producing all kinds of bodily noises, publicly sharing personal sexual fantasies, picking fights with other people on TS… No thank you.

Lol! That moment; when a simple chat system can make you want to scrub your skin off with steel wool, and you still won’t feel clean after doing so. xD

TS is not a requirement for effectively contributing to WvW. As a matter of fact a lot of people, myself included, do not join TS because of all the side effects that come with joining a public place like that. Screaming, producing all kinds of bodily noises, publicly sharing personal sexual fantasies, picking fights with other people on TS… No thank you.

In time every WvW player can learn how to play without using TS and rely only on map and team chat as well as the map itself. Essentially the only thing you will be doing if you follow a tag is to stick to it. No special philosophy involved there that would require explaining over TS.

So I’m from other games where we had to use voice chat for mass pvp,
In Aion Online the lead guild’s TS3 server was open to everyone to join for when we were doing big movements, and we had alot of drama around this.

We had a rule at one point, that if you wern’t in TS3, any rewards that were distributed by the raid menu leaders – you were opted out of. They did call-outs in TS3 to make sure you were there, and it was a nightmare.

TS3 for one, used up alot of bandwidth that our now primary app for the newer generation, discord does not.

Even if people are spamming chat with image and video links in discord, it still barely uses as much as TS3 did for MANY people.

If someone is still stuck in the old ways, to punish or lash out for how they are doing – maybe they should learn the R-E-L-A-Y SYSTEM. What commander says in voice is typed by a person that does not fight but instead just R-E-L-A-YS what the commander is saying in voice to the squad/map/team chat.

It is not hard, it is not difficult. You just type as the commander speaks.
All it requires is fast typing skills.

If the parties caused you to feel upset or disgruntled though, I would suggest saying something to them about it. Like a “hey you caused me to feel very upset over this remark, I know it wasn’t aimed at me specifically, but I took offense to it. It was kind of a low blow because many of us were trying to help.”

kdaddy.5431:

Jim Hunter.6821:

If you are following a tag and they are using TS you should join them in TS. I’d rather have a smaller organized group than have a bunch of rally bait pugs kittening up the fights.

If you aren’t on tag do whatever you want. Someone tells you to get in TS because they are to lazy to read scout reports in map chat tell them to go kitten themselves.
(Although I’ve personally been using it more while roaming because the PvE players are constantly spamming team chart with useless kitten.)

No No No,

Let me tell you. I am on CD and i believe i was there because i remember someone getting upset about the commander a right hand person saying if you are not in team speak dont talk.

I can tell you literally with 100% conviction nothing could be done. This commander ran from every zerg vs zerg fight. When the enemy zerg just jumps at you and your commander runs everytime.

1/2 the zerg is thinking we fight, 1/4 of the zerg notices that the commander turns into Usain Bolt when he/she sees a enemy and then the rest of the group is like why did no one back us up?

Seriously it was right after we attacked bay.

They set up about 6-8 catas at bay, we have a larg zerg. Those of us on catas took the walls down. The commander literally left us to attack hills and 1/2 the zerg died on the attempt at bay.

I honestly thought the commander was trolling us, they were calling for help from all maps since they have had our Bay on our Home BL for 20 HRS.

After taking hills and a tower the commander did it again when we went for the next tower on the bottom next to bay. The map when dead after this because everyone was tired of being wiped and the commander and his/her guild leaving what ever group is attacking the wall.

Think of Aladdin when Abu grabs the sword and all the guards are like “AHHHHHH he has a sword” then the boss guy goes “you idiots we all have swords” the commander was the 4 guards afraid of the monkey with the sword.

Joining them in TS would of helped nothing

That literally has nothing to do with what I said……. but to play devil’s advocate were you in TS? Maybe the commander was saying things like, “pull back so we can catch them in this choke”, and then the half of your zerg that wasn’t in TS charged into them and got destroyed forcing the commander to run.

No one is saying you have to talk in TS but if the commander is using it to drive the zerg you should hop in and listen or go do your own thing. The only good excuse for not doing so is if you are hearing impaired.

Bigpapasmurf.5623:

Cutting the tail is the best part of a roamer/small group… Having a group of 4 thieves just totally F up a zerg because they dont realize they took out half the zerg…unless you are running calvary then zerg busting is totally epic.

A solid well practiced small-man group with good timing and placement (utilization of choke points, terrain, etc) is a devastating thing of beauty on any given map. It’s a brutal instrument of practically surgical precision.

KStudios.2850:

The basic duties of the solo roamer(s) and Small-man teams:
- Be the eyes of the map’s Commander in locations where their zerg is not present.
- Take any and all enemy camps in your vicinity to disrupt enemy supply tains.
- If possible, pick off stragglers or even cut the tail off of the enemy’s zerg. This can sometimes be done simply by running by and causing the less dedicated followers to squirrel after you.
- Kill any and all enemy Dolyaks in your vicinity. Again to disrupt supply chains and delay keep/tower upgrades.
- Reclaim lost friendly camps. To maintain your own flow of supply.
- Eliminate any enemy players that are a threat to said supply flow.

If you think the above is “useless,” then I can’t vouch for your rationality nor reasoning lol. And almost none of these things really requires the use of a Teamspeak.

Cutting the tail is the best part of a roamer/small group… Having a group of 4 thieves just totally F up a zerg because they dont realize they took out half the zerg…unless you are running calvary then zerg busting is totally epic.

Jim Hunter.6821:

If you are following a tag and they are using TS you should join them in TS. I’d rather have a smaller organized group than have a bunch of rally bait pugs kittening up the fights.

If you aren’t on tag do whatever you want. Someone tells you to get in TS because they are to lazy to read scout reports in map chat tell them to go kitten themselves.
(Although I’ve personally been using it more while roaming because the PvE players are constantly spamming team chart with useless kitten.)

No No No,

Let me tell you. I am on CD and i believe i was there because i remember someone getting upset about the commander a right hand person saying if you are not in team speak dont talk.

I can tell you literally with 100% conviction nothing could be done. This commander ran from every zerg vs zerg fight. When the enemy zerg just jumps at you and your commander runs everytime.

1/2 the zerg is thinking we fight, 1/4 of the zerg notices that the commander turns into Usain Bolt when he/she sees a enemy and then the rest of the group is like why did no one back us up?

Seriously it was right after we attacked bay.

They set up about 6-8 catas at bay, we have a larg zerg. Those of us on catas took the walls down. The commander literally left us to attack hills and 1/2 the zerg died on the attempt at bay.

I honestly thought the commander was trolling us, they were calling for help from all maps since they have had our Bay on our Home BL for 20 HRS.

After taking hills and a tower the commander did it again when we went for the next tower on the bottom next to bay. The map when dead after this because everyone was tired of being wiped and the commander and his/her guild leaving what ever group is attacking the wall.

Think of Aladdin when Abu grabs the sword and all the guards are like “AHHHHHH he has a sword” then the boss guy goes “you idiots we all have swords” the commander was the 4 guards afraid of the monkey with the sword.

Joining them in TS would of helped nothing

I have a 1 year old that I prefer sleeps rather than is up at like 3 am. If the PUGmander can’t handle that, kitten em.

If you are following a tag and they are using TS you should join them in TS. I’d rather have a smaller organized group than have a bunch of rally bait pugs kittening up the fights.

If you aren’t on tag do whatever you want. Someone tells you to get in TS because they are to lazy to read scout reports in map chat tell them to go kitten themselves.
(Although I’ve personally been using it more while roaming because the PvE players are constantly spamming team chart with useless kitten.)

If your following a certain commander and are in their squad, I suspect they would very much like you to be in teamspeak if they are using it, not all commanders do especially recent ones who are only interested in the new rewards. Obviously not everyone will be, some commanders like to try to bait out an enemy bomb or do a reverse veil, and if you don’t know they are planning that you’re at a disadvantage compared to the enemies zerg especially when in outnumbered fights. If your not following the commander but on the same map, then no teamspeak isn’t necessary, but it would be helpful to use mapchat to relay information on enemy numbers, location, and wall/gate %, especially now because most servers have map ques.

Entirely untrue, imo. Any person who even gains +5 points for taking a camp during a tick helps the server. And honestly, I’ve never gotten crap from a TS except drama and the unfortunate side effect of actually having to hear other people talk. You leave me alone to my music and let a roamer work! xD