Tbh, I think traveler + condi build is totally viable. The speed always extremely valuable for any roamer and the condi duration, + stats both benefit us! just like the boon duration.
I’m on holiday atm but will when I get home do some solid testing of my condi shatter build I been experimenting with, if the bounce mechanic finally get fixed for staff clones as well we might have a superb mix of burst and pressure.
/Osicat
I don’t think I could be let down anymore than I was already, by the painfully slow updates and no new content.
I just literally logged in for 30 minutes and couldn’t find anything to do.
Should I now be collecting all the armor skins? Why? I already have the skins I want.
Should I be collecting dyes? I already had Abyss and Celestial and 75% of the other dyes.
Should I quit my WvW guild because of the unbalanced Season to join a PvE guild and do the world bosses to get horribe loot not worth the effort – Tequati and Wurm?
Or maybe I should do my FOTM daily run (more than 500 runs totally) and hope to get the GS skin I want?
The WXP is great and all, it took me 30 seconds to redistribute my points again.
Traits for my guardian are a joke. I’m not planning on getting any of them any time soon.
Instead, you’ve never gotten another dime from me, beyond the initial purchases. Every time I have been tempted to buy gems, I think about how greedy it felt during the 2012 halloween event when the BL Chest drop rate for the halloween weapons was stupendously low. I remember all the content that was removed. I think about all the minor (unvoiced by me, but pointed out many times here by others) complaints I’ve had that were never fixed, and the fact that there is not going to be any expansion any time soon, when it should have been here or have been announced, at the least.
Posts like this are always so bizarre and disingenuous, specifically for the argument here (which always seems to come about in some way or another). You’re saying you’ve been tempted to buy gems, but refrained because of a previous complaint, which ArenaNet has massively improved at this point? Gem store weapons like the Halloween set have been made hugely more accessible, yet you still refuse to buy any because they used to be a problem? Why should ArenaNet ever address any of your concerns, if you’re just going to cling to past issues as an excuse to criticize them in the future, even after those issues have been fixed and improved?
For all your complaints, you sound like the type of person who will never be satisfied, no matter how close ArenaNet manages to bring the game to your ideal fantasy.
Most of his critiques are about the game itself, not the gem store that you used the fanboi generic response on after focusing in on it.
That sole example is enough demonstrate the disingenuous nature of this post. The poster prefaces by claiming to have ‘goodwill’ towards the game and wanting the opportunity to support the game, yet they then refuse to genuinely acknowledge any improvements that have been made to it. The poster clings to past ‘offenses’ while completely disregarding any attempt by ArenaNet to address and correct those issues, simply so he or she can continue to deride and insult the game and its developer for failing to live up to a personal fantasy. Someone who truly had ‘goodwill’ towards the game, someone who truly wanted to support the game and see it improve, would at least be somewhat forgiving, at least acknowledge the efforts to address some of their complaints. But no, what we see instead is petty, unhelpful venting.
You would think someone who claims to have so much experience with past MMOs and other games would possess the discipline to not let themselves get so hyped about their fantasy for a game. So hyped that its inevitable failure to live up to expectations crushes them to the point of such shallow, one-sided whining. You would think that someone with such experience would know to play a game for what it is in the present, not what they want it to be in the future. You would think that someone who had such a bad taste with the gem store methods two months after launch would know to quit back then, rather than stick around for an extra year and a half playing a game that so obviously failed to live up to expectations.
The OP paid for the game which is a sequel to his/her favorite MMO and you expect a loyal fan to quit after 2 months?
I’ve been playing up this game the whole time and have made many of these same comments over the last 1.5 years. Let me remind you what was said in response to critiques about GW2 a few months, hell even a year after launch:
1. No MMO is fully ready to go at launch give Anet time.
2. This isn’t WoW we love Anet.
3. They will add all of those things later they already promised.
So the OP waited for 1.5 years to write this do you think its too soon? Maybe wait another 2 years then it would OK to post.
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Care to add anything to specific gameplay/game environment issues he raised rather than attacking his post? If you truly believe the living story adds “Exciting, quality, dynamic content that delivers persistent changes in the world based on the choices players make”, instead of just a grind of recycled combat and art in order to get a cosmetic achievement chest and sell gems for gem store skins that last longer than the content, say so, instead of stooping to long-winded attacks.
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Instead, you’ve never gotten another dime from me, beyond the initial purchases. Every time I have been tempted to buy gems, I think about how greedy it felt during the 2012 halloween event when the BL Chest drop rate for the halloween weapons was stupendously low. I remember all the content that was removed. I think about all the minor (unvoiced by me, but pointed out many times here by others) complaints I’ve had that were never fixed, and the fact that there is not going to be any expansion any time soon, when it should have been here or have been announced, at the least.
Posts like this are always so bizarre and disingenuous, specifically for the argument here (which always seems to come about in some way or another). You’re saying you’ve been tempted to buy gems, but refrained because of a previous complaint, which ArenaNet has massively improved at this point? Gem store weapons like the Halloween set have been made hugely more accessible, yet you still refuse to buy any because they used to be a problem? Why should ArenaNet ever address any of your concerns, if you’re just going to cling to past issues as an excuse to criticize them in the future, even after those issues have been fixed and improved?
For all your complaints, you sound like the type of person who will never be satisfied, no matter how close ArenaNet manages to bring the game to your ideal fantasy.
Most of his critiques are about the game itself, not the gem store that you used the fanboi generic response on after focusing in on it.
I agree with everything Blood posted, especially with WvW being the only part of GW2 that continues to be fun, if you are on a t1 server. The population for WvW will only shrink though, since anet isn’t really pushing reasons for people to get into gw2, like expansions, etc.
The poster above me made a point that many of us have been saying since they started the LS stuff, they spend all that time recycling art and coming up with a storyline that no one really cares about, then “Shut it down! Shut it all down!” a few weeks after the event is done. In Gw1 EotN, it was exciting when an adult Gwen appears, even though her only part in the story pre-searing was to lose her flute and ask you to find it for her. In gw2, no one gives a skritt about any of the forgetable characters introduced in all the LS stuff, they are just trying to grind through the achievements to get some cosmetic item.
You will note that the gem store gear they release along with the living world content stays in the gem store even after the event finishes though…
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A very good set of posts, Blood.
Frankly, now that season 1 of LS is over and the latest patch is out we are pretty much three steps back from where GW2 began.
The new wardrobe may add some convenience but it doesn’t really add any functionality to the game.
Role playing has been decimated by the megaserver move and the removal of functional town clothes.
At the end of the first living story we have no new dragon yet. No new areas opened up. Lions Arch totally empty. No significant changes to WvW. And the writing of LS was just really shallow. There was little to make you care about the characters other than maybe Rox and Braham.
Loyal guilds and alliances like TTS were totally ignored when they asked for the schedule to be altered to allow them to continue to do major bosses. I don’t know what will happen with the temple runs worlds like IoJ used to do now that world bosses spawn further apart.
We still have a grind for ascended gear, even if it can now be shared between toons.
Comparing how GW2 was on the day after release to how it is now, well, it just feels like we have less, not more. It really feels like they put out the info on the latest patch, asked opinions, and then proceeded to ignore every single thing their players said and every response we gave.
It just isn’t much fun now.
frankly, the new gemstore armor, which looks like rehashed versions of what we already have, is pretty much appropriate for this game. It is a badly rehashed version of what it was 12 months ago with less now than it had then.
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Anet sure knows how to kill their own game
I feel like this is one of the few sane posts on these forums. Everywhere else there are people praising arenanet for removing the ability to run champion trains, nerfing the already incredibly poor dungeon loot, and essentially charging you to reuse skins you’ve bought prior. And we can’t forget that nerf to the berserker armor that doesn’t change the game in any meaningful way, outside of making it so coordinated groups take slightly more time to complete a dungeon.
I think the comparison to “battered wife syndrome” is an clever one, considering the amount of people on these forums that are praising arenanet for such asinine, pointless changes in favor of actual balance and permanent content.
This update would’ve been mediocre if AT LEAST the wardrobe didn’t require you to purchase something to use skins you’ve already bought, but it’s worse than mediocre at this point.
Something tells me this thread will be removed either way. Can’t have anyone criticizing poor development choices or business practices, no siree.
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In some ways I think this is like EA’s move into mobile. Telling their customers “The new dungeon keeper wasn’t made for you, it was made for a new generation of fans”. Clearly, gw2 was not made to appease the people who played gw1. Maybe at one point that was the intention, but then some committee got ahold of it and now it’s just one big hot mess.
The game needs dynamic changes. Huge reworkings. Not skill balancing, not nerfing this skill and buffing that one, but big huge reworkings like when Blizz redid their starting zones with new missions and so on. The fact is, however, that if that ever happens in gw2, it will only happen when it is financially the only way left to survive. The vast majority of the things your real fans want (like the roleplayers you just screwed by taking their dyeable town clothes away, I don’t even RP but it’s clear that’s a jerk move aimed at the people who actually bother to buy your gems, and for what?) are never going to happen. You’re going to placate us with bits and pieces and hope it’s enough, and maybe it is enough for some out there. Maybe it’s enough for enough whales to keep buying those BL keys and keeping you going. I hope it is. I hope you manage to pull an expansion out in a year or two and give me someplace to actually wear those legendaries and be “proud” of them. As it is I look at that time spent as a complete waste of my life, and that’s not something I have ever felt about a game before. It’s something that really makes me re-evaluate where I want to spend my time and money, and that’s another sensation I’m not used to feeling from a game. I can name a few games I’ve played 1000+ hours of, and I have no regrets for them. No regrets for the hundreds of hours I sunk into gw1 at all. Then again, gw1 was never like “Hey break out your credit card and support me if you want bugfixes. You do really love me don’t you?”. The attempts at manipulation are transparent and unbecoming. I realize all mmo’s are skinner boxes to some extent, but you’ve really piled up the psychological impulses to buy (more! now! don’t you want the best stuff?!) in ways that are obnoxious and clearly visible. Everyone knows why the 5% listing fee doesn’t show up in the projected profits, and it’s no accident that it happened. The game is set up to make you waste money testing useless builds that require a full set of 20g armor+runes+sigils+this and that and oh you need more laurels and more this and more but you can skip it if you just. break. out. that. credit. card.
I know that this post will get flamed, and that’s cool, I don’t really plan on responding anyway, I just have wanted to express my displeasure with the direction this game has been taken for a long time, but today was finally a large enough, over-hyped letdown that I am uninstalling, and I wanted to say why before I go. I hope my criticism here has been constructive enough that it won’t simply be removed.
Yes, I spent 1000+ hours playing this game. However, that time has only made me increasingly positive that wherever you’re heading with it, it’s not going to be any place worth actually traveling to, and nothing I couldn’t find in 100 similar mmo’s, with new ones being released now on a near monthly basis. After 1000 hours, for someone to say “I don’t recommend that game, it’s a complete waste of time and a non-stop grind” is about the harshest criticism you could receive, but I don’t pretend that anyone that matters will actually see me pointing it out or care.
See you in a few weeks or whenever your new dragon comes out. Will not expect to be impressed. Feel free to prove me wrong on that one.
Thank you for your time, although, if I could go back to 2012 and do it all again, I would not have bothered to give you mine,
BFS
The other day, while I was sitting out of wvw (the only thing I like doing anymore in gw2) after a transfer, unable to actually play anything other than eotm, I thought about getting a new game. Maybe go back to WoW, maybe try some D3, oh, I know, Wildstar. I’ve heard a lot about Wildstar. I go to pre-purchase it, but it’s an NCSoft game. Right there beside gw2. People tell me NCSoft is just the distributor, but after the “experience” of feeling ignored for two years in gw2, instead of pre-ordering like I do just about every other game that comes out, I hesitated. Did I really want to give money to people related to this? Did I really want to set myself up for another game of “Well I’ve put 1000 hours into this so I might as well stick with it?”. And the answer was “No”. No I do not feel like getting mired into another unrewarding gaming experience that sees my wallet like it has a bullseye painted on it. The only devs I’ve ever not bought games from based on past reputation are Peter Molyneux and EA, if that gives you any indication of how low my opinion is at this point, but just being associated with ANet now is enough to make me put my credit cards away and move on.
I know people are going to point out that I got my money’s worth from gw2. Fair enough, I certainly did. But it’s not 2012 anymore, and we’re still playing 2012’s mmo. That’s really clear to a lot of people. I’ve played mmo’s since everquest 1, been playing muds since they were back on compuserve and AOL online “was” the internet to most people. Only in the most pay-to-win games do I see new people join and drop out like they do in gw2. I see many, many new people (low ap scores) buy the game, join a guild, play for 20 or 30 levels and quit. They don’t even bother to max a single character, because everyone in their guild has told them, repeatedly “There’s nothing to do at 80, leveling is the fun part”. They don’t believe it at first. Surely there’s more to it. But eventually, after they’ve been told by several people “No, really, there’s nothing special at 80 except more dungeons” it finally sinks in that they’ve totally wasted their $25/$50/whatever.
I want to support this company. I feel strongly, however, that whatever made gw1 great (seriously, that’s my all time fave mmo, you really outdid yourselves in a lot of ways) has been watered down and neutered into something boring, formulaic, and so startchy-clean and perfect looking that there isn’t a spec of dirt on a norn. Giant sweaty dudes wearing leather and carrying axes, killing things all day, but every single one gleams like the top of Mr. Cleans bald head. That was ok in 2004 with 2004-era graphics, it’s not ok a decade later.
I can’t do it anymore. Between the writing (those hiccups to break what laughably little tension there was in the Scarlett final scene are a perfect example), the family friendly until it’s painful art style, the npc’s in major cities constant spouting about how wonderful war is (as a veteran, “I had a dream about a war, I must go fight in it” is the single stupidest reason I’ve ever heard to volunteer to be a body bag, fantasy situation or no), and now this… modifying of things, instead of adding content, and acting like it’s something special… It’s the last straw for me for a while. I’ve put a lot of hours into this game, waiting for it to get good. It’s not getting good. I understand that now. This update has been upsetting to a large portion of your userbase, and I think most of them are going to sigh quietly and either go back to wvw or just move on to another game. Normally I would join them, but things have been wrong (to me) for so long here, and I’ve abided it patiently, that I feel I should speak up.
I’ll come back for the next LS event. I won’t expect there to be more than an hour or two’s worth of new content, and I will expect to grind that content until it gets boring because it will be the only thing there is to do in gw2 that I haven’t already grinded into the dirt.
There are a lot of people out there with 3x/4x/5x the achievement points than I do. People who never stopped defending you. If you go to reddit and mention that you’re disappointed with gw2 you’ll be downvoted to oblivion. It still took you two years to give those fans account-bound legendaries and account bound WxP. The phrase “battered spouse syndrome” comes to mind.
I bought this game in 2012. If I play right now, with the exceptions of fractals, there’s almost exactly the same things to do as there were back then. A few bosses have been added, one mostly empty zone, and the odd tidbit here and there. The focus on LS has made this game empty, painfully empty.
I was very excited (if a person can honestly be excited about gaming at all these days) for this update. I leveled two characters to 80 specifically to take advantage of the account bound legendaries and skin swapping. Now that it’s here, I have no more desire to play than I did before. In fact, I have less, because at least before there was anticipation, some hope of things actually being fun again, and not just tweaked.
I’m tired of killing the world bosses on repeat, running dungeons on repeat, and waiting 2 weeks for a LS update that sometimes is as minor as “have a single conversation with a single npc, and then wait another 2 weeks”. I’m beyond annoyed that most of the content that has been added since release has subsequently been removed “for story reasons”.
I feel like, in many ways, I am the ideal person you’d want as a customer. As a retired adult I have unlimited time and plenty of cash to throw around on things I really don’t need. I have bought multiple copies of gw2 at full retail and given them out to friends, so my goodwill towards this game should be proven. I have over 1200 games on steam alone because it’s enjoyable to me to be able to buy all the things I couldn’t have as a kid. If I felt like I was getting anything worthwhile here that had any value, it would be very easy for me to be putting multiple charges on my credit card to buy gems each month.
Instead, you’ve never gotten another dime from me, beyond the initial purchases. Every time I have been tempted to buy gems, I think about how greedy it felt during the 2012 halloween event when the BL Chest drop rate for the halloween weapons was stupendously low. I remember all the content that was removed. I think about all the minor (unvoiced by me, but pointed out many times here by others) complaints I’ve had that were never fixed, and the fact that there is not going to be any expansion any time soon, when it should have been here or have been announced, at the least.
Thanks, video would be great!
Here, sorry for quality. Next ones Ill make higher. Had problem uploading, dont know exactly what happened…
By the way if you ask me why I didnt killed the necro is because I dont kill uplvls, only if they keep attacking me. lol
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I like how there are basically two states of builds for most players in this game:
That’s it. Because middle-ground is where no one wants to be.
I’m sure devon is putting a lot of love into it and fiercely lobbies for us
I wouldn’t go that far.
It blows my mind that ANet still hasn’t realized that WvW is a major selling point for their game.
But no, let’s focus on Scarlet instead.
I can safely say that the Anet has failed the WvW community. After playing again for the last couple weeks it’s clear WvW isn’t going anywhere.
The community has repeatedly asked for content and suggested fixes but all we get in return is horrible management.
Let’s look at a few things Anet has done recently for the WvW community:
Open transfers up a few weeks before the tournament so server ranks will be in disarray when the tournament starts.
Failing to fix the annoying “chat suppression” bug nearly 2 years post launch. Super annoying when you don’t have dedicated populations on voice-coms all the time.
Failing to implement secondary command tag colors and icons. How many time’s has it been suggested? How hard is it to implement a “Change my icon color” feature. It would take less than a weeks work.
Failing to listen to the community for unique items and armor as rewards for WvW. I’ve dedicated hundreds of hours to WvW, and I have nothing to show for it, but my friend who’s dedicated hours of PvE has all sorts of cool looking armor and items.
Failing to implement or experiment with rule-set changes during matches, like was suggested nearly a year ago. For example, camps would be worth extra points one week, ect, ect.
In the end WvW is fun for a while, but I’m burnt out and I just tried to return after 4 months away only to find it completely the same with no promising content expected.
Oh ye full of optimism, I feel sorry for you.
WvW …. where optimism comes to die.
No, now we get Scarlet 2.0.
20 years for Yakslapper title…does it have a bonus chest too? Imagine what could be in there…. o.o Oh, oh, that could make for a good new topic!
50 empyreal shards. Enjoy!!
50 ? If Hugh is on the case we will get a blue. a green and an essence of luck. If Devon is
just going to be a spike. I am surprised they haven’t doubled the points needed anyway.
Would probably be their next major wvw update in 20 years. so it stays as a long term progression system.
I got my 10.000 yak killed recently, so I’m nearly there. 990.000 more to go.
Be patient guys, actually just wait forever. All development teams are currently too busy working on the enthralling chokes on own vomit living story. What will scarlett do next? kittening facepalm.
It’s ironic that despite (or because, I wonder) gamers being probably the most cynical/jaded customer base a product can have, video game companies are allowed by far the most leniency among multi-billion industries when it comes to track record, professionalism and customer relations, as the red words in this thread once again prove.
I’ve said it before, and I will repeat it here. We are aware of the problems with the WvW achievements and will be doing more to address them in the near future. Currently it is more complicated to solve the problems than I would like, which means we need to have a fully comprehensive solution before doing anything.
Is it near future, yet? Its been 8 months since your post…
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