Guild Wars 2

Faranox.4217:

Recently a new in-game Looking For Group system was rolled out. This is a great way for players to find groups or advertise their own. I noticed that there is a section for Open World/WvW. I often advertise my group there, but since it has been implemented I have never once seen anyone else advertise their groups there. Perhaps people aren’t aware of the new LFG system, or perhaps they miss the WvW option since it’s not its own category.

Do people in your Server use the LFG system in WvW?

What’s the point in having a WvW LFG system when we can’t even form or MANAGE groups in WvW properly. Inviting, removing offline players and other basic group functions do not work in the WvW UI since release. The commander and squad system is horrible….. they said they will upgrade it “sometime” in the future.

Until they actually…. you know… give us a way to group properly, no point in using a lfg system in WvW.

I’m honestly surprised more people are not pushing for a working group UI and a decent commander & squad system. There seems to be more people concerned about the bloodlust buff then actually being able to group and organize with guilds and friends.

Flexible grouping should be a cornerstone of any social MMO that involves large scale PvP and coordination. In GW2 grouping is more of an afterthought….

Pavel.8531:

Barondil.1459:

It’s not a bug! It’s a feature!

It all makes sense now.

Yeah… you guys should count your blessings that you are even allowed to “report” someone in WvW!!!! Stop being selfish, it’s not like social grouping and coordination are important.

Tukmolytes.3467:

Ahmrill.7512:

Ahmrill.7512:

Tukmolytes.3467:

3 patches and still no fix.

4 patches….

5 patches….

Hmmm, I lost count.

Did you lose count of how many patches have gone by that we still have to deal with this? Or did you lose count how many times the buck has been passed on resolving it. Devon mentioned he was aware of the issue, but it wasn’t his department. I guess everyone at Anet assumes someone else is fixing it.

I’ve lost count on both…..

bradderzh.2378:

When was the last time Anet implemented anything the forums actually asked for… Culling?

My recomendation would be to give up. They don’t care, after all we (thepeople of the forms) are the minority and the majority of the gw2 is apparently happy with the party/squad/commander system… #devlogic

After posting about this for 13 months I’m left with sarcasm and snarky comments. I should really just never browse these forums again… but keep thinking there is a small chance they will understand our frustration.

Grumpdogg.6910:

Don’t worry guys, this won’t happen overnight.

I have confirmation this will be addressed sometime in the next decade!

Overkillengine.6084:

Bump for great justice. Even adding an internal only tag that guilds could purchase with their influence for designated officer ranks would be a huge improvement. More granularity in our organization tools would help encourage non-zerging a great deal.

This exactly. Why do we zerg? Because we have no other way in game to form a private force over 5 people. They need a system that allows players to form multiple groups they way that works best for them…. public or private.

Niim.9260:

DevonCarver.5370:

Upgrading the commander system and UI is on our goal list. It’s a complicated task, requiring lots of resources however, which means it isn’t going to happen overnight. Believe me though, I find our commander system almost entirely lacking in useful functionality.

Crazy suggestion. Maybe instead of wasting lots of resources on a completely pointless league system, you could put them towards the squad UI system or any number of other important elements that this game has lacked for so long.

That sounds logical to me…. yet…..

Tricare.2946:

DevonCarver.5370:

This is the type of upgrade to the system we will likely be making, but it is not a short-term project. We feel commanders aren’t getting enough mileage out of the system as it is now and we’d like to make it much, much more robust.

I hope you’re really thinking this one through. If you add abilities to the commander tag you’re going to have everyone and their mother running around with a tag on, even if they are not leading.

If you put a cap on how many commanders are allowed on the map, who gets to use theirs then? Just like it was stated about the outnumbered buff, you wouldn’t want people harassed to turn their tag off, so someone else could turn theirs on.

Been suggested since BW1.

- Top 5 or 10 commanders on a map are shown by biggest squad numbers. People tend to follow decent commanders, not idiots. Now you have incentive to join squads for established commanders.

- Also need private squads so guilds or anyone in private squads can form forces without attracting a zerg. There will always be public commander pins up, but we need a way to form guild or havoc forces properly.

Giving this a bump as some great suggestions that are still relevant.

Giving this a bump as some great suggestions that are still relevant.

Bumping this as it’s still relevant. Another patch, no fixes.

Commander and squad is like a leper…. all the devs leave the room when someone mentions fixing it.

This needs a bump as it’s been another patch with no fix.

Niim.9260:

They are too busy setting up league play for wvw to work on functionality that should have been in the game on release.

Sad truth there. Grouping systems are an afterthought and should have been a priority at release.

gennyt.3428:

/bump

I’m really hoping this situation doesn’t turn into a 20 page thread that gets locked and deleted after we’re advised to post in a new thread about the “perceived” shortcomings of the WvWvW grouping system.

Grouping systems should be a fundamental focus in GW2. WvW suggestions are moved to the general suggestion forums and quickly buried by 10 pages of PvE suggestions in 24 hours.

The search feature doesn’t seem to be working… this post needs to be a “sticky”

I like how the search feature doesn’t work either. Most WvW suggestions are moved to the general suggestion forum by mods.

Those WvW suggestions are then buried by 10 pages of PvE suggestions within 24 hours and we can’t even search for them.

Great system for getting WvW suggestions to the Devs…..

Another WvW suggestion that was moved to the general suggestion forums and will be buried 10 pages down within 24 hours.

It’s a good thing that having a broken WvW group UI and lackluster C&S system isn’t important in a multi-player MMO.

It’s not like we’re playing a server based game where players need proper tools to coordinate together in a massive PvP environment.

Oh wait………..

Chris.3290:

How about just changing the color of your tag, that would be enough.

If we still can’t form a 5 person group in WvW properly…. I wouldn’t expect any changes to C&S anytime soon. I mean it’s not like being able to form and manage groups and squads is important in GW2……

Apparently they have plans to upgrade the C&S system. No idea what changes or if it’s things the players have been asking for.

We’ve been using a broken group UI in WvW for 13 months. If we still can even form a 5 person group properly, I don’t expect changes to C&S anytime soon.

Like world peace soon?

Ahmrill.7512:

Tukmolytes.3467:

3 patches and still no fix.

4 patches….

5 patches….

yaseer.2309:

If you watch Sacrx Video. Then read the chat with dev he goes on about functions for raid UI asking them over year ago. They said it was on list of priorities. Not that important after over 1 year then.

Ya he mentioned a Raiding/ enhanced commander and squad system would take time as they want to do it right.

I’m talking about the groupUI we already have working in any PvE zone. What’s the issue for having no options except “report” in WvW?

It’s ok Luthan. Even if you have a working LFG system for WvW….. we still need a working GROUPING system for WvW. They need to fix the GROUP UI in WvW first so we can actually… you know……. form a group?!

I expect it fixed sometime in 2014….. or 2015…. but definitely no later than 2016.

It’s really great they enhanced the borderland maps in WvW for smaller groups to fight and contribute. It would also be great if we could actually be able to form a group properly in WvW. Just BASIC UI functions to invite, kick offline player, etc. This has been left far to long, it’s beyond a joke.

I understand completely that it may take time to revamp the Commander and Squad system, but I’ve yet to hear a solid reason why we’ve had a broken group UI for almost 13 months. We simply want the same group UI we’ve used in any PvE zone since release. What’s the issue for WvW?

Devon you mentioned one time that the UI for groups in WvW is not your department. Any chance you can walk over to the UI guys desk and let them know we’ve been waiting to form a group properly in WvW for 13 months?

Thanks!

brandon.6735:

You know they will fix it once they add Party Mastery!!!

At 10 you can invite a person.
At 30 you can see what class they are.
At 40 they will add a different color dot for just party members in the mini map.
At 70 you can kick members who are offline from the group.

Wait…. are you talking about mastery lines, or how old I’ll actually be in real life before they fix the group UI?

:)

Tukmolytes.3467:

3 patches and still no fix.

4 patches….

titanlectro.5029:

If your reading this Devon, could you tell us where/how to bring up this issue, so that the correct department gets it?

That would be nice to find out who’s directly in charge of resolving this. Can I speak to the UI manager please!

Tukmolytes.3467:

3 patches and still no fix.

12 months and still no fix….

BlazeQ.1095:

I think many of us would have hoped with the amount of discussion and requests that a system would already be in the works. I will say I am disappointed that the system hasn’t yet been addressed, if I am reading your sentence correctly.

I feel the same way BlazeQ. Updated and functional grouping systems is the biggest priority for my guild and myself in WvW. It simply shouldn’t be this hard and frustrating to group and play with friends the way you enjoy.

Gully.7358:

I’d just like to see some very basic UI adjustments that would make my life a bit easier and I’m really not asking for much.

They have a working and functional group UI in PvE…. I’m not sure why they haven’t addressed the broken one in WvW for a year. It’s the same UI with the same functions…. very strange to have not addressed it yet.

It’s not like forming a group is important in an MMO….

- They said they have plans to upgrade the Commander and Squad system but not anytime soon. IMO… Private or Guild only squads are DEFINITELY needed badly, but it’s never been mentioned in the posts I’ve read.

- They are aware of the broken group UI in WvW but no idea when that will be fixed.

For the rest of it… who knows.

meep.2601:

yes it was a poor troll attempt in reference to Hugh’s excuse “your reports were too vague” about glitching through doors

the only real reason i can think of as to why this hasn’t been fixed yet is….anet loves to fail

Sorry meep, i didn’t catch your intentions from that post.

I don’t think Anet loves to fail. I think they are doing their best to improve things. I just feel that more resources and perhaps a little closer look at what players feel is important need to occur.

They probably have a big wishlist of things to change and are just giving us the stuff that’s easier to add. Improved grouping systems is paramount for me, and I hope they can find a way to get it on the game sooner.

Contiguous.1345:

For me, this is the big ‘jam tomorrow’ topic.

It’s the one thing in the game that makes it almost impossible to organise the play.
It’s clear that Anet want to ‘redesign the concept’ and present the players with a custom built system designed to function along particular lines and according to a given model of warfare.

It is very difficult to organize in GW2. We almost always have more than 5 people and don’t enjoy running in a massive zerg. We like a smaller roaming force that blocks players trying to reinforce an objective under attack. We also enjoy hitting objectives while the enemy zerg is tied up with our zerg and generally causing havoc.

Unless we have a private/guild in-game system to group more than 5 people that doesn’t involve creating separate 5-man groups and trying to run together…. it’s always going to feel difficult.

Xsorus.2507:

Warhammer Online has a fairly good pvp system but 2 realms caused it to fail

Guild Wars 2 has 3 Realms but a shoddy PvP system.. causing it to Fail.

At least the PvEers enjoy it.

Good point there about warhammer. Our guild played DAOC for almost 7 years, it simply got outdated and they stopped adding content and improvements.

Warhammer did have a fairly good system, and I agree the lack of the third server took the dynamics out of it we enjoyed in DAOC. I don’t think GW2 WvW has failed at this point, but there sure is a lot of frustration and what’s being addressed and what’s being sidelined.

Another thing Warhammer had was the BEST grouping system I’ve ever used for multiple group PvP. The “Warband” system still blows anything away in PvP MMO’s atm.

DevonCarver.5370:

Ahmrill.7512:

I agree Zeitlogik that the commander and squad system could use more functionality.

As do I. We will address this system when we are able to completely revamp it and bringing it to the level it should be at.

I understand that completely revamping and doing it right will take time…. no issues there. I sincerely hope there is some way for guild or players to make private squads within the new system. It’s very difficult for our guild to play the way we enjoy without controlling the size and makeup of our force, that’s impossible with the current setup.

If there is a way to resolve the broken group UI in WvW a little sooner, we’d really appreciate it. We have to deal with that on a daily basis and it’s very frustrating…. it’s caused me to snap in game and on some threads in this forum.

I agree Zeitlogik that the commander and squad system could use more functionality.

meep.2601:

i think the main reason this hasn’t been addressed yet is that the complaints have been far too vague

No Meep they have not. Since guild wars 2 went live I’ve personally posted over a dozen detailed posts in Bug forums, over a dozen in Suggestion forums and WELL over a dozen in the WvW forums.

After posting in the bug and suggestion forums my post is usually buried a few pages back within 24 hours. Search results don’t bring up any of my earlier posts. As we have no dedicated WvW suggestion forums, it just gets lost among the massive PvE suggestions and bug reports.

They are aware of the issue, I guess they are just expecting another department to fix it…. I really have no idea.

I really wished for a working group UI while in WvW…. but I just got a bunch of useless junk in the patch…. er gift.

Darlgon.9273:

I am guessing you guys noticed the quaggans were also gone?

Maybe the Quaggans found a good hiding spot…. perhaps where they left a FUNCTIONING group UI for WvW. Maybe the quaggans will actually be able to form a group properly and be able to kick offline quaggans and invite normally.

I wish I could run with my guild and use a functioning group UI in WvW to manage our group… lucky quaggans.

After a year and we still don’t have a functioning group UI in WvW…. don’t expect a whole lot.

Hule.8794:

Ahmrill, have You ever heard about priorities?
Pushing out new stuff to gem store every 2 weeks is more important than fixing basic functionality of game.
Fixing bugs will not bring money to developers. New skins and finishers will.
There You have priorities. And this is why I give my hope to ESO because it will be p2p and You actually how some legal rights to demand bug fixing or repairing basic functionality.
Here people will always hear: you only payed once, you are playing for free, so get over it.

Make no mistake, I absolutely understand why Anet are focusing on the things that generate revenue. It’s a great fiscal plan short term but not a great long term plan to retain WvW and PvP players.

Social grouping and interaction of players are a fundamental aspect of MMO’s. We’re not talking about having the coolest and most diverse mechanics and functions in a game. We are talking about having basic functions to form a single group of 5 players and manage that group in WvW.

We’re not talking about spending massive resources and hiring tons of developers to fix a group UI. They currently have a fully functioning group UI that works in every single zone outside of WvW. It’s just idiodicy for Anet to have left this a year and frustrate a PvP player base that will move on to another MMO that offers better large scale PvP. I actually enjoy GW2 as an overall game but as soon as a better game comes out with a focus on PvP…. many will jump ship, myself included.

Players and guilds are simply frustrated at the inability to organize easily in GW2. Do I expect Anet to change their philosophy and priorites…. no. Do I expect Anet to actually listen to the players…. after a year it’s obvious not happening, even for simple things.

Anet will do whatever they want, it’s their game…. that certainly doesn’t mean I can’t express my opinion of where they have dropped the ball on some areas.

Sorry for the caps, but in case the first couple thousand requests to have this fixed were missed, I wanted to be clear.

The group UI and right-click options are not available while in a WvW zone. The only option available when right clicking a player’s name is “report”

-You cannot right click on a players name to invite, kick offline, whisper, etc.

This is a big source of daily frustration when we can’t form and manage groups in WvW. Saying this needed to be fixed by now would be the understatement of the year.

Devon Carter is aware of this issue. Apparently it’s someone else’s department and he doesn’t have the ability to fix it. While the buck is being passed around perhaps someone will eventually get tired of it landing on their desk and fix it.

Sometime before 2020 AD is what I hear.

I’ve seen this requested since BW1…. and simply ignored.

The commander and squad system is one of the worst I’ve used in the last 6 years playing MMO’s. Needs a complete overhaul.

jaaf.4789:

What do you think about this?

Why i cant customize my interface?

Why doesn’t my group UI work in WvW?

Why is the Commander and squad system useless for guild events or private squads?

Why has our requests for better tools to organize been ignored for a year.

I dunno.

suggested a zillion times and still needed. Group Ui and the entire C&S system needs to be overhauled. I believe the plan is to address them sometime before 2020 A.D.

afatpaws.7810:

I tried searching for other topics but nothing was working on my search function so I just made my own.. plus I wanted to add in my own 2 cents.

Search feature is not working. Any WvW suggestions posted here are quickly buried by 10 pages of PvE suggestions. We’ve asked for WvW group Ui fixed, we’ve asked for a better commander and squad system, we’ve even asked for a “WvW suggestions subforum” so the WvW suggestions are easier to access and read.

It doesn’t matter. Player WvW feedback effects WvW development about 0.5%. I realize it takes time to make some changes, but after a year it’s plain that players are simply being ignored.