Guild Wars 2

Knighthonor.4061:

SleepingDragon.1596:

Windsagio.1340:

echo.2053:

Windsagio.1340:

Sena.2761:

Reminder: Factions and NF came with TWO slots and it just so happens those games also added two classes.

But now? 2015 ANet? They make one class and give 0 slots. This just perfectly frames ANet in my eyes as having lost any heart and integrity they once had.

Do we get tired of going in circles with this? They were stand alone games that were compatible with Prophecies. If they had come with no character slots they’d be unplayable.

I do wonder at the time if the question was, “Prophecies came with 4 slots, but factions only comes with 2!”

Every account has 2 complimentary character slots. Each of the three campaigns adds 2 slots to the account.

failing to do simple research when you haven’t played the previous game makes it trolly.

Ironically those expansions were stand alone expansions at a value of a stand alone game, here we have a few maps plus rebuying the core at a standalone price.

You missed the point entirely in your desire for pedantry.

Nightfall and Factions had to come with character slots because they were standalone products. It’s an invalid comparison based on an essential lack of understanding of the GW1 business model.

Not to mention not understanding that the GW1 business model and the GW2 business model are massively different, so that’s at least 2 reasons it’s an invalid comparison.

Nightfall and Factions are not standalone products. You need the original Guild Wars Prophecy to play them. Have you even played the original Guild Wars to be saying misleading things like that?

Wow you are a big deceptive liar…

Those were standalones. I never owned GW1P…. I had both Factions and Nightfall as well as EoTN,,,,

That’s a bit far maybe he doesn’t know

Ricky.4706:

@aiden nah, we are beyond that. There IS no choice to get the core game alone.

There is no fantastic deal when you have no choice. that’s pretty simple to understand.

I have a choice… I don’t need to buy the core game again I already have it.

ProtoGunner.4953:

Aidenwolf.5964:

Where Anet made a serious error imo and the opinion of many others is they decided to gouge the current players just that little bit extra by not including a character slot or two as they did in every expansion in GW save EOTN with the base HoT expansion. I mean seriously, there is zero incentive for a current player to pre purchase the base package.

Thank you, that’s what I think. The price would be okay if we get at least one additional character slot in the normal edition.

I think this wouldn’t have started had a character slot been included, but people wouldn’t be happy about the pricing of the lack of a non new player package.

What Anet have done is devalue current customers in my opinion. It is only my opinion but I’m not the only one who feels that way.

Ricky.4706:

to make your argument stand, you have to show me an un-expanded version of guildwars 2 on their site that i can purchase.

It doesn’t exist, just like your ‘entitlement’ argument.

I’ll prove it my way you will or you won’t understand the explanation that’s your issue, not mine.

I own the core GW2 Game, we all do, we’re playing it now. Once HoT goes live and I don’t buy it, I’m still playing the core GW2 Game. Easy to understand, right?

My core GW2 Game has a shiny metal box and Rytlock statue. It’s a real thing, I have the receipt, and I’m not going to buy it again.

Galen Grey.4709:

Aidenwolf.5964:

Galen Grey.4709:

Aidenwolf.5964:

Galen Grey.4709:

Aidenwolf.5964:

@Galen Grey hello and welcome to the game. Your experience is not universal as the game generates revenue from the store.

Sorry I dont follow but thanks for the welcome even though its kinda 3 years later.

I meant the Vayne vs. Everyone game.

yeah sorry figured out your reply later… here is the proper reply:
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Ok I follow now… what I linked is not something I said, its something another player said.
but even so Vayne didnt say everyone has said its possible to play the game without ever spending a single Gem, he said some have said so, you called it anecdotal I found you someone who made that claim. Even if he is the only person to ever refuse to pay a single gem and he’s not: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/How-much-have-you-spent-on-Gems/first
that still makes Vayne’s statement factual.
Edit: woke up and understood the post so edited to reply properly

Actually that’s not how proof works but I admire your spirit!

why do i even bother. everything anyone says or presents will always get dismissed.

yes I am sure people who claim they never bought a single gem in fact bought truck loads

and beyond that even though there is absolutely not a single piece of content in the game that requires a single gem to enjoy (and thats a fact) it is absolutely impossible to play the game without ever spending money on gems because that is not how proof works. as if you even need poof or there should be any debate whats so ever if it is possible to play Gw2 without spending a single cent.

I am sure you can provide so much proof to the contrary after all right?

That wasn’t my arguement. He stated as fact something then used anecdotal evidence to support a factual claim. Not to get caught in a semantical arguement I’ll simply say that linking one person’s (even your own) experience doesn’t prove a fact as it isn’t universal.

He said Guild Wars 2 is a B2P game, fact.

Then he referenced one player who never bought gems, which is anecdotal.

That’s where you came in. GW2 is in fact a hybrid B2P cash shop game. A true and undisputed B2P game would be an old school cartridge game with no DLC ever.

What I would say to clarify my OP is this.

I feel the game’s design shifted towards the gemstore because it was so profitable early on. That never happened in GW because players didn’t let it.

DaveyC.4398:

There is a lot of rage out there about the price and handling of the pre order.

Here are my thoughts on the matter…

The first thing to consider is that as a core GW2 player – You brought the game. Most people will have hand countless hours enjoying the existing content and are owed nothing else on top of that.

For those who brought the game in a sale, I believe you will inevitably get a refund.

If Arena Net want to give the core game away for free, that is their choice. I myself have had at least 2500 hours enjoyment out of GW2 since the beta and would not expect this to affect anything with regards to the expansion.

Sure you can compare the expansion against the GW1 campaigns but those got two professions and one character slot. Even then if you wanted both you would have had to buy another.

I bet that 99% of people who are complaining will ultimately buy the expansion regardless of if the offered packages are changed.

No one is forced to buy the pre purchase. I suppose its really down to whether you want access to the betas.

I remember a lot of people hyping ‘take my money’ when they heard that the expansion was on its way and now you can.

I’ll take that bet.

The pvp items might help against very new players maybe (I’m trying to help) but it’s not like those are anywhere near top tier

Jongi.7612:

Ricky.4706:

so unless they agree with you, they are whining ? you don’t see that as oppressive behavior ?

No, theres a difference of whining and disagreement. I disagree with some people that the expansion isnt worth $50, they however arent asking for free stuff and whining how someone else is getting something and they feel like they are getting the short end of the stick even though they had access to sooooo much more than any new player would even know they could of had access too. Its like the *vets have forgotten what they had access too and was able to experience and then they have the kittening nerve to ask for even more when all that new players are getting is the core game and not even what everyone who has been playing for 3 years has access too?

Why are you ignoring that we paid to play all the 3 years of content you keep referencing? We don’t want pay again for the core game without getting another core game…. Simple math really I’ll help you understand.

New player gets
GW2 + HoT

Veteran gets
Hot

Both pay the same price = kitten

To be fair to Flesh Wound I think he was trying to make a point but this isn’t going to end well. I’m only going to add one thing that kills any arguement claiming gw2 gemstore is better than gw1 and that’s RNG.

GW2 has lottery items paid for with RL cash (if you bought gems with gold you traded those with someone who paid cash).

Jongi.7612:

Aidenwolf.5964:

Jongi.7612:

Starlightpaw.5871:

Jongi.7612:

Cambeleg.7632:

Jongi.7612:

Cambeleg.7632:

Jongi.7612:

Bla bla bla…

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No you have a right to say what you dont like about it. But when it steps into the realm of entitlement your arguments are overlooked. If you dont think the expansion is worth $50 go ahead, voice away. If you think you are owed something because you played for 3 years I get get the kitten out and dont come back.

See? This is why people like you keep repeating like parrots same arguments without noticing the right point: you really don’t read threads. Just imagine the point and charge against it.

Let me tell you the real point.

Most of ‘vets’ who are protesting settle these two clear points against the pre-purchase:

1. Anet shows very, very few information about what HoT will offer. This causes players to not trust the purchase will satisfy their interests.

2. The issue with the Basic Pack isn’t -I repeat: isn’t- the price, but what gives the pack. A ‘vet’ player won’t get more than HoT, while new players get HoT and the core. It’s a good deal for new players? Of course. It’s good for the community? Of course! It’s good for the vets? No. Why? Because there is no real incentive for buying the pack.

Now you’ll say “but you have other two options”. Yeah, true, but…

… what if I’m not interested in the skins, the statue and/or the gems? Really, the only incentive for those packs is the character slot. Oops, but wait… why they didn’t include it in the Basic Pack too, since ‘vet’ players only gonna recieve HoT with it?

There is the point why many ‘vets’ feel disappointed and mad.

Argue with these statements, once you know the real points.

Theres a third option too, dont buy it. See how simple it is?

I think most people who have been playing the game for 3 years want to buy HoT and not feel like they are being treated unfairly while doing it.

Most of the people on the forums. I dont feel like im being treated unfairly because I know that I got my monies worth. Its not like WoW where they charge a monthy fee, say all this stuff is going to be in the expansion and then release something like WoD. If you dont like what your getting dont buy it. Its really just that simple.

Wait now you’re telling us to go back to not buying it?

I never told you to go out and buy it in the first place.

What precisely are you accusing me (as a veteran) of if not my unwillingness to buy the game?

Jongi.7612:

Starlightpaw.5871:

Jongi.7612:

Cambeleg.7632:

Jongi.7612:

Cambeleg.7632:

Jongi.7612:

Bla bla bla…

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No you have a right to say what you dont like about it. But when it steps into the realm of entitlement your arguments are overlooked. If you dont think the expansion is worth $50 go ahead, voice away. If you think you are owed something because you played for 3 years I get get the kitten out and dont come back.

See? This is why people like you keep repeating like parrots same arguments without noticing the right point: you really don’t read threads. Just imagine the point and charge against it.

Let me tell you the real point.

Most of ‘vets’ who are protesting settle these two clear points against the pre-purchase:

1. Anet shows very, very few information about what HoT will offer. This causes players to not trust the purchase will satisfy their interests.

2. The issue with the Basic Pack isn’t -I repeat: isn’t- the price, but what gives the pack. A ‘vet’ player won’t get more than HoT, while new players get HoT and the core. It’s a good deal for new players? Of course. It’s good for the community? Of course! It’s good for the vets? No. Why? Because there is no real incentive for buying the pack.

Now you’ll say “but you have other two options”. Yeah, true, but…

… what if I’m not interested in the skins, the statue and/or the gems? Really, the only incentive for those packs is the character slot. Oops, but wait… why they didn’t include it in the Basic Pack too, since ‘vet’ players only gonna recieve HoT with it?

There is the point why many ‘vets’ feel disappointed and mad.

Argue with these statements, once you know the real points.

Theres a third option too, dont buy it. See how simple it is?

I think most people who have been playing the game for 3 years want to buy HoT and not feel like they are being treated unfairly while doing it.

Most of the people on the forums. I dont feel like im being treated unfairly because I know that I got my monies worth. Its not like WoW where they charge a monthy fee, say all this stuff is going to be in the expansion and then release something like WoD. If you dont like what your getting dont buy it. Its really just that simple.

Wait now you’re telling us to go back to not buying it?

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

Jongi.7612:

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

Jongi.7612:

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

Jongi.7612:

KGS.9842:

Jongi.7612:

But lets see, special treatment. Theres another word for it.

yes, it’s discrimination

Reading comprehention. Im not saying that there is another word for special treatment or entitlement, im saying special treatment is another word for entitlement.

Buy a dictionary.

Ive already posted the definition, maybe you should look it up.

Why should I look it up for you, can’t you read a dictionary yourself?

the belief that one is inherently deserving of privileges or special treatment.
“no wonder your kids have a sense of entitlement”

There… just so you know what we are talking about here. Thats right out of the dictionary as well.

Except that we are not believing we inherently deserve any special treatment, we just want the same as new players for 50 bucks. A copy of the core game + hot.

100% accurate. No favoritism, no special perks, just the same thing new players get.

Jongi.7612:

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

Jongi.7612:

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

Jongi.7612:

KGS.9842:

Jongi.7612:

But lets see, special treatment. Theres another word for it.

yes, it’s discrimination

Reading comprehention. Im not saying that there is another word for special treatment or entitlement, im saying special treatment is another word for entitlement.

Buy a dictionary.

Ive already posted the definition, maybe you should look it up.

Why should I look it up for you, can’t you read a dictionary yourself?

the belief that one is inherently deserving of privileges or special treatment.
“no wonder your kids have a sense of entitlement”

There… just so you know what we are talking about here. Thats right out of the dictionary as well.

You think that’s what vets are asking for? You’re seriously mistaken. As I said you aren’t listening.

Jongi.7612:

Manasa Devi.7958:

Jongi.7612:

the belief that one is inherently deserving of privileges or special treatment.
“no wonder your kids have a sense of entitlement”

Wheres my 10g?

So your next post is going to apologize for applying the word falsely? Surely you’re not going to maintain with a straight face that asking for a deal that somewhat approaches the deal that others are being offered for the same amount of money, holds up to that definition?

Did you not read my post at all? They are wanting free stuff for playing since launch, no other reason. So no im not using the word falsely.

Wheres my 10g?

You incorrectly used the word to describe the situation as veterans are asking for equal not preferential treatment.

Jongi.7612:

Aidenwolf.5964:

Jongi.7612:

Aidenwolf.5964:

Jongi.7612:

Aidenwolf.5964:

Jongi.7612:

Cambeleg.7632:

Jongi.7612:

Bla bla bla…

You think some people don’t have right to protest about something they’re agree with? If they consider the deal isn’t fair for them, they have the whole right to protest. Many people settled the reason why they’re not happy with the offer in forums, reddit and others.

Are you happy with the deal? Better for you.

But for the shake of…, don’t come to tell “ey, people, you’re wrong, you don’t have right to protest!”. Sorry, but as customers, these mad ‘vets’ have all the right to protest publicly.

And now, move on.

No you have a right to say what you dont like about it. But when it steps into the realm of entitlement your arguments are overlooked. If you dont think the expansion is worth $50 go ahead, voice away. If you think you are owed something because you played for 3 years I get get the kitten out and dont come back.

We don’t need to leave. We’re paying customers we get to be here forever….. If you can define entilenent without looking it up I’ll mail you 10g

Ive already given examples of it, ill be waiting for my 10g. But lets see, special treatment. Theres another word for it.

Wrong. Now look it up and stop using words you don’t understand, thank you

the belief that one is inherently deserving of privileges or special treatment.
“no wonder your kids have a sense of entitlement”

Wheres my 10g?

Said if you didn’t look it up my man. I’m honestly impressed you can type that.

The first time I didnt, then you said wrong, so i posted the definition to show I was right. So wheres my 10g?

Keep reading bellow

Jongi.7612:

KGS.9842:

Jongi.7612:

But lets see, special treatment. Theres another word for it.

yes, it’s discrimination

Reading comprehention. Im not saying that there is another word for special treatment or entitlement, im saying special treatment is another word for entitlement.

You don’t even realize that’s 2 words…

Jongi.7612:

Aidenwolf.5964:

Jongi.7612:

Aidenwolf.5964:

Jongi.7612:

Cambeleg.7632:

Jongi.7612:

Bla bla bla…

You think some people don’t have right to protest about something they’re agree with? If they consider the deal isn’t fair for them, they have the whole right to protest. Many people settled the reason why they’re not happy with the offer in forums, reddit and others.

Are you happy with the deal? Better for you.

But for the shake of…, don’t come to tell “ey, people, you’re wrong, you don’t have right to protest!”. Sorry, but as customers, these mad ‘vets’ have all the right to protest publicly.

And now, move on.

No you have a right to say what you dont like about it. But when it steps into the realm of entitlement your arguments are overlooked. If you dont think the expansion is worth $50 go ahead, voice away. If you think you are owed something because you played for 3 years I get get the kitten out and dont come back.

We don’t need to leave. We’re paying customers we get to be here forever….. If you can define entilenent without looking it up I’ll mail you 10g

Ive already given examples of it, ill be waiting for my 10g. But lets see, special treatment. Theres another word for it.

Wrong. Now look it up and stop using words you don’t understand, thank you

the belief that one is inherently deserving of privileges or special treatment.
“no wonder your kids have a sense of entitlement”

Wheres my 10g?

Said if you didn’t look it up my man. I’m honestly impressed you can type that.

Jongi.7612:

Aidenwolf.5964:

Jongi.7612:

Cambeleg.7632:

Jongi.7612:

Bla bla bla…

You think some people don’t have right to protest about something they’re agree with? If they consider the deal isn’t fair for them, they have the whole right to protest. Many people settled the reason why they’re not happy with the offer in forums, reddit and others.

Are you happy with the deal? Better for you.

But for the shake of…, don’t come to tell “ey, people, you’re wrong, you don’t have right to protest!”. Sorry, but as customers, these mad ‘vets’ have all the right to protest publicly.

And now, move on.

No you have a right to say what you dont like about it. But when it steps into the realm of entitlement your arguments are overlooked. If you dont think the expansion is worth $50 go ahead, voice away. If you think you are owed something because you played for 3 years I get get the kitten out and dont come back.

We don’t need to leave. We’re paying customers we get to be here forever….. If you can define entilenent without looking it up I’ll mail you 10g

Ive already given examples of it, ill be waiting for my 10g. But lets see, special treatment. Theres another word for it.

Wrong. Now look it up and stop using words you don’t understand, thank you. Entitled isn’t a bad word in Business or law or life. You’re using it as a slur when as a customer it describes a right. I am entitled to get what I pay for.

phys.7689:

Jongi.7612:

Why exactly do some of the veteran players think ANet owes you anything? I see a lot of vet players understand that nothing is owed to them, but the vocal majority of vets here on the forums think something is owed to them.

The expansion is $50 bucks, end of story. If you dont already have GW2 and you buy HoT you get it for free. Its so that it brings in more players.

Veteran players have already gotten their fair share of free stuff, living story which if these new players want to experience they have to pay for, free level 20 boosts for being active during the anniversaries, free skins, free level 80’s if you didnt waste your tomes, and who knows what else was given out.

So what exactly are you guys complaining about? Its just like these spoiled kids that didnt get the car they wanted, or the 64gb iphone and rage at their parents. Its stupid and I hope ANet sticks to their guns.

The ONLY people that should be kittened off are the people who bought the core game recently and now have to dish out another 50 for the expansion in turn making the expansion more expensive. Give them a free skin, gems or something. Everyone else has gotten their monies worth from the game.

If you think you are owed something because you have been playing for 3 years and new players get the core game for free to increase the size of the community that is the exact definition of entitlement.

its less that anet owes them something

its more that anet shouldnt treat them differently because they are veterans.

If i buy street fighter IV and they say street fighter 3 free with purchase.

then i dont want them to take away the street fighter 3 just because i already bought it 3 years ago.

a free copy of gw2 core has value, i can give it away, i can use it as a mule account, i can get more daily limited resources. There is no logical reason, if it is really free with purchase, that older players do not get a code.

but they dont, because the package treats customers differently but charges them the same thing.

So its really not veteran entitlement, its veterans not wanting to be screwed just because they are veterans

This ^ Exactly the point.

Jongi.7612:

Cambeleg.7632:

Jongi.7612:

Bla bla bla…

You think some people don’t have right to protest about something they’re agree with? If they consider the deal isn’t fair for them, they have the whole right to protest. Many people settled the reason why they’re not happy with the offer in forums, reddit and others.

Are you happy with the deal? Better for you.

But for the shake of…, don’t come to tell “ey, people, you’re wrong, you don’t have right to protest!”. Sorry, but as customers, these mad ‘vets’ have all the right to protest publicly.

And now, move on.

No you have a right to say what you dont like about it. But when it steps into the realm of entitlement your arguments are overlooked. If you dont think the expansion is worth $50 go ahead, voice away. If you think you are owed something because you played for 3 years I get get the kitten out and dont come back.

We don’t need to leave. We’re paying customers we get to be here forever….. If you can define entilenent without looking it up I’ll mail you 10g

Ya I should’ve known Anet wouldn’t keep their word but hey you live and you learn.

Jongi.7612:

Ricky.4706:

so a customer is not entitled to their moneys worth ? serious ? lol

forget about just the game, but is this the future leaders of the world speaking ? heh

Not if they already got their monies worth. If you played for 3 years and got free stuff why should you get even more?

Not up to you whether I buy you’re the least convincing person to make the arguement that HoT is worth my money, and in fact, I’m even more convinced the xpac isn’t worth it because you feel it is. Thanks

Chicho Gosho.6507:

Since the beginning the plan was to have a gem store that generates revenue and there won’t be a need for an expansion. There was not a shift at some point that introduced the gem store. Am i missing your point?

Halloween 2012 did so well that it shifted the mentality towards reaching that level of profit constantly.

Jongi.7612:

Aidenwolf.5964:

I’m entitled to exactly what I paid for.
I’m entitled to equal value for my money.

By the way some veteran players like myself paid $150 for GW2 so we didn’t get anything for free.

You got nothing for free? So you just gave them $150 bucks for nothing, never played the game or anything? Thats your fault, I got plenty of free stuff. Its no ones fault but your own.

And you are getting what you paid for, the expansion. That is $50 with or without the core game attached.

Are you having a stroke? I received zero content for free as I paid for the game. I bought gems, I’ve supported the devs, what are you talking about?

I’m entitled to exactly what I paid for.
I’m entitled to equal value for my money.

By the way some veteran players like myself paid $150 for GW2 so we didn’t get anything for free.

Jitsuryoku.9038:

Ofcourse the gemstore stays. Gemstore doesn’t even belong to anet, they might get profit from it, but as far as I know it’s owned by err… Ncsoft i think?

ArenaNet is strictly a dev company, everything else is setup by ncsoft so ncsoft profits from gemstore and probably pays ArenaNet a set wage.

By the way, “Free To Play” means no mandatory play-fees. If you ask me that bit of their business model is executed flawlessly (or at least best i’ve seen).
Gem store is just vanity and convenience and so far it hasn’t been very intrusive or “Buy to win” if you ask me. No overpowered pets, “bot” pets that do stuff for you, x5 exp or stuff like that.

Watchwork pick /cough

And I’m more than informed enough on ftp vs b2p.

The game’s design was shifted toward the gemstore which is a ftp trap but inside a b2p game which is where I always took issue.

Fiddle Irk.9710:

I’m sorry, but the tantrum is being thrown buy the people crying about the cost. I really don’t care if you buy it or not, I just feel all this whining is pathetic and I believe I made a valid point in; as far as value for money goes, how many hours of entertainment are you going to get for the same $50 elsewhere?

Value for my money isn’t your point to make It’s my decision alone. The issue isn’t that I don’t like the deal I’m one man with 2 accounts, the issue is I’m far from alone in my judgement that the expansion is not worth it.

Ohoni.6057:

I think a better solution to all of this is to just use it as a way of culling the herd. The people whining about HoT at the existing price points don’t deserve to have it, and I’ll be happier playing in the new maps without them around.

My thoughts exactly only in reverse. I’ll take vanilla you take HoT

You and some others don’t seem to grasp the concept. Calling customers whiners or “crybabies” because we won’t buy something isn’t going to make us buy it. That’s what children do in a store to get what they want, it’s called a tantrum.

Julie Yann.5379:

Channel.9402:

It’s just anet trying to see if people are willing to buy a 2 in 1 feature pack patch for 50usd. Cos after this there will be no base game/expansion differentiation. It’s all just a 50usd patch ^^

That describes HoT quite well. A feature patch that contains about $25 of DLC.

That’s my valuation.

Entenkommando.5208:

“If we do this right,” he answered, “we will probably never do an expansion and everything will be going into this Living World strategy.”

But the gem model isn’t enough obviously.

Exactly why posted and proved (easily) when asked. The gemstore model and Living Story wasn’t working and they’re changing to the GW1 model at least in part. My question is whether they’re going to go further away from the model that failed and closer to the model that worked.

Entenkommando.5208:

The gem model works wonderful and they create a good revenue with it.

They never ever said that there will never ever be a payed expansion. They just said that there needs to be a good reason (= enaugh content) to do so.

Since the beginning it has always been kind of clear that every new elder dragon will come with an expansion. I don’t know where you have your information from.

Allow me to introduce myself.

No expansions

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-07-03-its-unlikely-guild-wars-2-will-ever-get-an-expansion-pack

(you’ll notice they say if done right we’ll have LS and never an xpac)

It’s not for them they never answer real questions. It will serve as a reminder to everyone that pre launch promises are worth 2 gems.

I’m asking if they’re going to shift away from exactly that. That model wasn’t profitable enough long term which is why we have an expansion. It’s a perfectly reasonable question to ask since if they were honest about all this pre launch I wouldn’t even be here.

I have a serious question for Anet not regarding the price or features of the expansion pack but more important than both. With the shift to expansions will the game move away from the strict RNG and gemstore driven model we’ve had since Nov 2012? I don’t say since launch because as you’ll recall we were promised the game wouldn’t be built around the gemstore pre launch and November (post a massively profitable Halloween) was when things shifted.

Since then I’ve been a serious anti RNG forum poster as my account is bugged (you know it is I’ll take your silence as admission) and the “now in the gemstore” pop ups drive me mad as they go against the pre launch promises. Many players on the forums defend the gemstore because the game needs money to survive (even though you swore box sales could support you indefinitely) and almost all items were convince or cosmetic (watchwork pick I’m looking at you).

Now that you’re generating revenue from expansions will we see a game free of “now in the gemstore!” and “get more gold!” or are we simply paying a box price on top of the current FTP feel model?

-Full disclosure I’m not buying HoT currently but it affects me as GW2 customer.

Rin.1046:

Yes, some of those things will be in the core game, but there will still be plenty that will only be available to HoT owners. And I am sure I am not alone in thinking it is worth the price.

The beauty of this expansion is that we will know for sure just how many people agree with you. Quarterly reports are the great equaliser.

Volrath.1473:

Pvp players get the finger…. thy whant us to pay 50€ for a new pvp (more like pve) map, a new trait line and the ability to use 1 “new” weapon. New to the profession but existent in game since it released, nothing actually new to the game.

tks anet, maybe next time…

Pretty much this. You can add in WvW players in that mix as well. I’m the most active pvp player in my guild and when I’m not there I’m in WvW so even passing on HoT won’t be the worst thing since those 2 modes don’t get much in the xpac anyways.

Skady.5916:

Upvotes on Reddit are no indication.

I myself upvoted that thread too before it blew out of proportion and turned into pure ANet employee abuse – solely because I didn’t approve ninja FAQ change, I had no issues with $50 price tag or character slot issue. People crying about character slot forgot that in GW2 unlike in WoW you can buy character slot with in-game currency. Thus this complaint is absolutely irrelevant. You might as well start crying that they fixing condi cap and “forcing” you to craft sinister ascended set – is it another “money grab”?

Generally speaking this entire story looks disgusting. My opinion is that “community outrage” was instigated and provoked by small group of people. Most likely people from “rival companies” (no name calling here). Its pretty common for the industry.

Its very sad to see how “best MMO community” fell for that trick. Open your eyes people – you are being used in the most blatant way. Opinions you voicing are not yours.

I’m voicing my personal opinion and that of my wife (who is very casual and a borderline noob (sorry dear)) no one speaks for me and I am no one’s puppet. Your assertion that this is a creation of a third party rival corporation is amusing but nothing more.

Galen Grey.4709:

Aidenwolf.5964:

Galen Grey.4709:

Aidenwolf.5964:

@Galen Grey hello and welcome to the game. Your experience is not universal as the game generates revenue from the store.

Sorry I dont follow but thanks for the welcome even though its kinda 3 years later.

I meant the Vayne vs. Everyone game.

yeah sorry figured out your reply later… here is the proper reply:
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Ok I follow now… what I linked is not something I said, its something another player said.
but even so Vayne didnt say everyone has said its possible to play the game without ever spending a single Gem, he said some have said so, you called it anecdotal I found you someone who made that claim. Even if he is the only person to ever refuse to pay a single gem and he’s not: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/How-much-have-you-spent-on-Gems/first
that still makes Vayne’s statement factual.
Edit: woke up and understood the post so edited to reply properly

Actually that’s not how proof works but I admire your spirit!

You asked if we understood I’ll answer for myself, new players get the game + the expansion.

For the same money I pay regardless of which package I choose to buy, a new player gets 5x the value I do. Why do I say 5x? Because GW2 is massive and the xpac isn’t.

Base package for me… HoT (that’s it)
Base package for a new player…
HoT
GW2 the whole game
-5 character slots
-1 bank tab
-1 material storage vault

We pay the same you can’t argue that’s equal value

Galen Grey.4709:

Aidenwolf.5964:

@Galen Grey hello and welcome to the game. Your experience is not universal as the game generates revenue from the store.

Sorry I dont follow but thanks for the welcome even though its kinda 3 years later.

I meant the Vayne vs. Everyone game.

Galen Grey.4709:

Ashen.2907:

Vayne said that not a single person could honestly say that HoT was not worth $50. I replied to that. Now worth is subjective so we are talking about worth $50 to a given player.

A given player can very readily, accurately, and honestly, say that a game that does not provide me with X is not worth $50 to me. It does not matter what it includes if it does not include the only thing(s) the consumer is willing to pay top dollar for.

As an example, HoT could include hundreds of maps, gvg, dozens of fully customizeable guild halls, a free pizza, a thousand gold, a dozen character slots, one of every dye, a thousand gems, every minipet…and it would not be worth $50 to me if I dont have ascended gear on my main without having to craft. Not worth $5.

okey I see what happened here, its actually a language problem.

Vayne said as you said: “Vayne said that not a single person could honestly say that HoT was not worth $50.”

That is not the same as saying Its not worth $50 to me. Example I may not like Game X so I would never pay $50 for it like you said but if game X inlcudes include hundreds of maps, gvg, dozens of fully customizeable guild halls, a free pizza, a thousand gold, a dozen character slots, one of every dye, a thousand gems, every minipet I couldn’t objectively say its not worth the $50 asking price.

Even so Gw2 didnt have any of the things you mentioned yet people bought it how can any of them claim none of the features Gw2 has are worth a single cent? which brings us back to your statement. Even for someone who has paid just $10 for the core game they cant say what HoT will be worth to them based on what they know isnt going to be included because clearly they value other things too (whatever was included in the core game) which in turn we still dont know what and how much is going to be included in HoT

Precisely. Thanks for looking it up, I figured you came in halfway through.

Trajan.4953:

OMG can we stop using analogies to describe our argument. Lazy tool for a weak mind.

You can’t make this up. Thank you.

@Galen Grey hello and welcome to the game. Your experience is not universal as the game generates revenue from the store.

I was given nothing I paid max price for that content.

Vayne.8563:

Aidenwolf.5964:

Vayne.8563:

Aidenwolf.5964:

Vayne.8563:

Ashen.2907:

Vayne.8563:

Ardenwolfe.8590:

Agreed. I came to the same conclusion as Kill. It’s unfortunate, but facts are a funny thing.

Yes and the facts I provided were actually facts, even though you claimed they weren’t. Funny thing that.

Not all of your facts are factual. If you choose to mix misinformation in with your facts in a thread dont be surprised when people have trouble sorting them out.

The facts I labeled facts in the post in question were indeed facts. Everyone gets stuff wrong sometimes, but when I say something is a fact, it is.

You don’t define what is and is not fact. You’re stating things as fact that you could only know are fact if in fact you work for Anet. When I state fact I provide proof, which you never do.

Every fact in my post was a fact. It’s a fact that Guild Wars 2 is sold as a buy to play game. How is that not a fact.

Nothing I said required inside information for it to be a fact.

Actually GW2 is a hybrid B2P cash shop game. GW1 was a far different model and though it has a cash shop it’s nearly a pure B2P. If it can be argued it isn’t fact.

It being B2P is a fact. You buy it, you can play it, you don’t have to spend a dime in the store and most people probably don’t. Some have said so.

“Some have said so” anecdotal

Vayne.8563:

Aidenwolf.5964:

Vayne.8563:

Ashen.2907:

Vayne.8563:

Ardenwolfe.8590:

Agreed. I came to the same conclusion as Kill. It’s unfortunate, but facts are a funny thing.

Yes and the facts I provided were actually facts, even though you claimed they weren’t. Funny thing that.

Not all of your facts are factual. If you choose to mix misinformation in with your facts in a thread dont be surprised when people have trouble sorting them out.

The facts I labeled facts in the post in question were indeed facts. Everyone gets stuff wrong sometimes, but when I say something is a fact, it is.

You don’t define what is and is not fact. You’re stating things as fact that you could only know are fact if in fact you work for Anet. When I state fact I provide proof, which you never do.

Every fact in my post was a fact. It’s a fact that Guild Wars 2 is sold as a buy to play game. How is that not a fact.

Nothing I said required inside information for it to be a fact.

Actually GW2 is a hybrid B2P cash shop game. GW1 was a far different model and though it has a cash shop it’s nearly a pure B2P. If it can be argued it isn’t fact.

Vayne.8563:

Ashen.2907:

Vayne.8563:

Ardenwolfe.8590:

Agreed. I came to the same conclusion as Kill. It’s unfortunate, but facts are a funny thing.

Yes and the facts I provided were actually facts, even though you claimed they weren’t. Funny thing that.

Not all of your facts are factual. If you choose to mix misinformation in with your facts in a thread dont be surprised when people have trouble sorting them out.

The facts I labeled facts in the post in question were indeed facts. Everyone gets stuff wrong sometimes, but when I say something is a fact, it is.

You don’t define what is and is not fact. You’re stating things as fact that you could only know are fact if in fact you work for Anet. When I state fact I provide proof, which you never do.

@Vayne that’s not why I’m not buying it. I’m not paying the same and getting what I consider less value for my money. I do feel $50 for LS S3 is overpriced and that is a factor as well, but I’ve been exceptionally calm about my reasons on the forums.

I’m perfectly happy to keep playing the game I paid for forever without touching the xpac and you can’t seem to figure out why. Read my posts, they’re fairly enlightening.