It’s not their responsibility it’s their option. And you know, it’s my option to convince a bigot that he’s wrong, but that doesn’t mean all the trying in the world is going to make a difference. If you have your mind up that you’re paying extra for it, there’s no way anyone can convince you otherwise and if I were Anet, I wouldn’t waste my time trying.
If Anet came out with a direct statement that said, we were always going to sell the expansion for $50 and we decided after that to include the core game for new users after the fact, would you believe them?
You realize you sound as if you called me a bigot? I’d edit that if that wasn’t your intention. If it was then our exchanges will sound less formal from here on.
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Lol I’ll let it slide Vayne, this one time. You will never accept my premise and honestly who really cares right We both play guild wars and I won’t see any of you in HoT because new players get more for their money than I do. I won’t budge so it doesn’t matter.
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I agree with you. The consumer decides what they will and won’t pay for. And that means the consumer, before they say they will or won’t pay for it, should actually know what it is.
Without knowing how much content is in HoT, there’s no way to know if it’s worth it at this point but I’ve seen people say it’s not worth it. All they can really say is it’s not worth it from what I’ve seen so far, but it may become worth it next month. They don’t really know.
It’s Anet’s responsibility to either convince or adjust not the buyer’s to bend or understand. Anet can’t convince me to buy HoT I’ve already decided these packages aren’t worth my money. Either they decide they don’t need my money or they adjust the offering.
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Someone else want to explain how charging for the expansion, that includes the base game, is part of the package to him?
I’m convinced we’ve reached the point in this “debate” where the “Anet whiteknights” refuse to think as honest and responsible consumers and ignore logical observations.
I mean it’s fairly obvious just at initial glance that the base game is being sold as part of a bundle now, even if marketing says it’s for free. (Btw here’s a hint to determine if it is really being offered for free: Can you download GW2 base right now without purchasing an HoT bundle? No? Hmmm…)
I think we’ve reached the point in the argument where people are trotting out terms like white knights because they have zero facts or evidence and so have to try to discredit people personally because they have no facts.
No, you can’t download Guild Wars 2 for free. Because maybe Anet doesn’t want the bad community that comes from completely free to play games. Maybe it’s harder to control gold sellers that way. Maybe there’s a reason why they decided to include it in HoT.
Fact, Guild Wars 2 is a buy to play game. That means you can’t just allow people to download the base game for free because they could play that for a year, two years and spend NO money. They can play the new WvW and new PvP even without buying the expansion so that would be a bad move.
Fact. Many companies have issues with upselling their expansion because new players have to make multiple purchases to catch up which is a barrier to entry. WoW stopped making people buy old expansions to be current, because it’s a good business move.
Fact. There’s zero evidence that Anet wasn’t going to charge $50 with or without giving away the core game. No evidence at all.
Those are the facts. If you want to call me a white knight for pointing out facts, go right head. I, on the other hand, refuse to resort to using labels to undermine your position because I just don’t think that’s right.
Your facts are in error. The game was on sale post announcement of the expansion and the wiki stated until very recently that it was required to play the expansion, Fact.
That is what a fact looks like.
A logical inference based on that fact is that the game until very recently was not meant to have been included in the expansion.
Arguing these points is fun maybe but it won’t make someone open their wallets, you have zero influence on that, Fact.
I’m sorry can you quote specifically which if my facts were in error. Because saying there’s an error isn’t the same thing as pointing it out. Specifically quote the error thanks.
I highlighted the error.
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@Vayne of course they can. Something is only worth what it can be sold for.
At $50 Anet will sell X of the expansion
At $30 Anet will sell Y of the expansion
The market determines which is is a greater return X or Y
That has nothing to do with what I said. What I said was no one can say, at this point, without knowing everything we’re getting, that something won’t be worth it to them. They can GUESS that it won’t be worth it. They won’t know until they have more info. There isn’t enough info out.
Saying something isn’t worth it to me without having the info is more silly to me than anything is worth it. As the game adds more info, we know more and more and some people will see something that absolutely makes it worth it. But those that haven’t seen everything, who don’t know what else is coming, can’t yet say it’s not worth it.
If you told people tomorrow it had 10,000 hours of playtime in it, some people who said it wasn’t worth it today would say it was worth it.
That’s not to say that more people won’t buy it at $30 than $50. That’s a no brainer. But that has nothing to do with that I’ve said.
My point is that a consumer decides what they will and won’t pay for. That is attributing value to something, it’s done with every purchase. At $50 some will decide it’s worth it some won’t neither is wrong.
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You know that ‘simple sentence’ is part of their contract agreement, right? You bet people ranted. Ghost editing after someone signs and agrees to buy something tends to kitten people off.
People use words like ghost editing so glibly.
Things in games change. FAQs are changed when they change. That’s how the world works.
Clearly the original plan was to make it two sales. There were probably people in the management for and against the plan and they discussed it. They made a decision. As time went on, one side gathers more backers and they decide to make the change.
When the change is made, the FAQ has to be changed.
You can call that a Ghost Change, but in reality it’s just changing the FAQ to fit the facts.
Anet needs to refund people for the entire period of time since that first fact went up, but editing a fact to make it accurate?
Call it what you want, but it’s done all the time and the only time anyone has a problem with is is when it changes to something they don’t want to hear.
Always love it when facts are recognized
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Someone else want to explain how charging for the expansion, that includes the base game, is part of the package to him?
I’m convinced we’ve reached the point in this “debate” where the “Anet whiteknights” refuse to think as honest and responsible consumers and ignore logical observations.
I mean it’s fairly obvious just at initial glance that the base game is being sold as part of a bundle now, even if marketing says it’s for free. (Btw here’s a hint to determine if it is really being offered for free: Can you download GW2 base right now without purchasing an HoT bundle? No? Hmmm…)
I think we’ve reached the point in the argument where people are trotting out terms like white knights because they have zero facts or evidence and so have to try to discredit people personally because they have no facts.
No, you can’t download Guild Wars 2 for free. Because maybe Anet doesn’t want the bad community that comes from completely free to play games. Maybe it’s harder to control gold sellers that way. Maybe there’s a reason why they decided to include it in HoT.
Fact, Guild Wars 2 is a buy to play game. That means you can’t just allow people to download the base game for free because they could play that for a year, two years and spend NO money. They can play the new WvW and new PvP even without buying the expansion so that would be a bad move.
Fact. Many companies have issues with upselling their expansion because new players have to make multiple purchases to catch up which is a barrier to entry. WoW stopped making people buy old expansions to be current, because it’s a good business move.
Fact. There’s zero evidence that Anet wasn’t going to charge $50 with or without giving away the core game. No evidence at all.
Those are the facts. If you want to call me a white knight for pointing out facts, go right head. I, on the other hand, refuse to resort to using labels to undermine your position because I just don’t think that’s right.
Your facts are in error. The game was on sale post announcement of the expansion and the wiki stated until very recently that it was required to play the expansion, Fact.
That is what a fact looks like.
A logical inference based on that fact is that the game until very recently was not meant to have been included in the expansion.
Arguing these points is fun maybe but it won’t make someone open their wallets, you have zero influence on that, Fact.
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To those who are saying they are buying the base game again, what evidence do you actually have for this. If Anet already decided to sell the expansion for $50 and included the base game in the package, you are buying nothing.
Suppose that instead of “including” it in the price of HoT, Anet just said the base game is now free. That’s it. Suppose Anet give a $10 coupon to everyone to bought hot for the base game, and permanently set the price of the base game to $10.
You’re making an assumption that you’re paying extra for something…but you have no evidence for it. Three times already, Anet has sold the base game for $10. For years they’ve been talking about not dividing the playerbase. Why do you you believe this isn’t just another attempt to keep the playerbase together?
The only way you can say you’re paying for the base game again, is if you can prove somehow that Anet is actually charging for it. All you really have is your own belief, because there’s no evidence for it.
Anet is removing the barrier to entry many games suffer. Do you know if you buy the current WoW expansion you get all the previous expansions without paying for them…as long as you pony up $15 a month.
This is a much better deal. But again, what evidence do you have that you’re paying extra for something, rather than it’s just being included for free?
Try to keep up, the only bonus for buying the base package is the inclusion of the base game for new players (I couldn’t care less about beta access but some may). As a player who owns the game already I get nothing but the xpac, they get the core game and the xpac. For me it’s a simple matter of fairness, you will disagree which is fine. I own a collector’s edition of GW2 so this isn’t about being cheap it’s about equal value.
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Purchased the Ultimate for my Wife and Myself, cant wait for more BETA time, release date etc.
Anet has always delivered in the 10 years we have been playing, all the Christmas cards, extras in emails and more. To us, we purchased two HoT expansions and 8k in gems and received 2 more character slots, mini’s, guild décor and some- for several more months of new content of play time, well worth it. We did participate in the last BETA, had a blast trying to figure out the glider and love it.
Take advantage of the offer, you asked for it, Anet delivered it, may not be around later.
Hahaha hahaha I seriously hope that was meant to be funny because it’s a classic. The game will go on sale later which is better value.
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Dear people who complain about the Pre-Purchase being 50$….suck it up. Instead of whining over the price like little kids sit and think for a moment….look what Anet did….just look at this amazing game they made…it’s their 1st Gw2 expansion look how much work they put into the new stuff. Think Guild Halls, new content new playable class…I think HoT is worth more than 50$. I wish people would instead of complaining actually look beyond the cost and realize that if ArenaNet doesn’t earn money from this Expansion there will be no expansion because they wont be able to afford it. Just please stop whining and protesting. Gw2 was voted the best community, lets show that and stop being greedy, yes I understand people who have low income who really want this expansion (like me) but still I love this game and I already love the expansion and if I could I would purchase the 100$ option because it would be a good support for ArenaNet. Please stop the complaining. Ps: I’m not saying you have to throw your money at the screen, but please don’t complain
I own 2 copies of GW2 and all GW games/ expacs and I’m not buying this one as offered. I don’t have to get over it I can ignore the xpac and play GW2 or GW as I do now. If they want more from me they’re going to have to give more it that’s simple.
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I respectfully submit that your speculation is omitting one very possible fact about this particular kind of outrage: For every person tabbing out to come to a forum and post about their consternation there are scores of people who are so thorougly enjoying the game and happily anticipating the expansion that it doesent even occur to them to tab out and contribute to the discussion either way.
I assume that well over 95% of the player base is not going to care about any of this at all.
It doesn’t personally affect me; I’m very likely to buy HoT either way, whether they fix the snafu or not, and small differences in the price point or marketing materials are not going to make a difference for me – I’m watching and discussing and making popcorn to this because I’m a product management nerd and this is fascinating to me. I am not the marginal consumer.
For the marginal consumer this is a real mess. Those players that bought the game 2 years ago, hear about and expansion and are interested, but see a kittenstorm are the ones they lose. People genuinely on the fence are lost, potential players that read feedback and reviews are lost.
I think once all is said and done a lot of the people complaining about this here will buy anyway – people posting on official forums are not marginal consumers, by in large, and are just going through some equivalent of the stages of grief. It’s the people who aren’t posting, and won’t ever post, where the ex-ante expected losses are coming from.
One minor point you neglected to mention that will impact the results, I don’t have to buy HoT to play GW2. Posters like myself will continue to post and play the game in spite of the expansion.
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Calling an expansion a paywall is a little unfair in my opinion. By definition then all expansions are therefore paywalls if you need to buy it to access it’s content.
Paywall is usually reserved for core game functionality being restricted from F2P players that VIP tier (read subscription in everything but name only) players get.
Content like maps and living story which will undoubtedly be on those maps that can can only be accessed by purchasing the expansion thereby locking out those who don’t buy it is absolutely a Paywall.
How about having a game called “Guild Wars” in which “Guild Halls” are only accessible through the new paid map? Sounds like a paywall to me…
A feature that should’ve been live at launch that I won’t be able to access sadly.
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Calling an expansion a paywall is a little unfair in my opinion. By definition then all expansions are therefore paywalls if you need to buy it to access it’s content.
Paywall is usually reserved for core game functionality being restricted from F2P players that VIP tier (read subscription in everything but name only) players get.
paywall is not really a negative term, its just a wall that exists between players who have paid and have not.
you can call it a splitting of the playerbase if you will.
the poster’s main point is that its ironic, that they are trying to have one box, in order to avoid players split up into core/hot as much as possible, and yet it seems like the current pricing will likely create a decent section of people who will not adopt the new expansion. thus creating a larger split than between adopters and non adopters than they would have had with a different plan.
of course, perhaps this is all talk and not that many people will not purchase, it remains to be seen.
Well said. As for the sales numbers who can say it isn’t a concern of mine I have no animosity towards Anet or the game I simply won’t buy the expansion unless I’m given exactly what other get for the same money.
To clarify what I mean by equal value of my $50 (I’ll never but the top tier from Anet again), I want exactly what a new play gets, the core game add-on which I’ll use as a storage account and HoT upgrading my current account.
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Time to empty your wallets or move on to your next game!
Or… I could just keep playing the base game?
No moving on required.
AND I can buy another game instead of the expansion.
The question I have to ask, is “Are Elite specializations, Three new maps, Guild Halls and ‘Challenging group content’ a better use of my $50 than other games?”
Since I cannot judge what I have not yet seen, everything I have seen so far is cool, but not yet worth $50.
I still get base specializations, a new Pvp mode, a new guild system (Even without the hall) and new WvW maps to play WITHOUT spending an additional cent. Which is a pretty good deal.
Then I can instead spend that $50 on The Witcher 3, Or Splatoon, or Fallout 4, or Persona 5, or… a lot of other cool looking games.
Anet needs to step up their game to attain my spending money.
Exactly my plan at the moment. If they want more money from me they need to do better.
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Calling an expansion a paywall is a little unfair in my opinion. By definition then all expansions are therefore paywalls if you need to buy it to access it’s content.
Paywall is usually reserved for core game functionality being restricted from F2P players that VIP tier (read subscription in everything but name only) players get.
Content like maps and living story which will undoubtedly be on those maps that can can only be accessed by purchasing the expansion thereby locking out those who don’t buy it is absolutely a Paywall.
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If it costs t hem 100,000$ according to the reddit thread, I hope it brings in 10 times that in new players that don’t act like entitled brats.
I’m a customer they’re asking for my money you need to reconsider your arguement. Calling players entitled brats because they don’t want to buy a new product as currently offered is pathetic
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There hasn’t been anything revealed in this category so you can’t evaluate it yet.
That’s the reason why I find this part of the kitten storm totally stewpied.
Pre purchase is for people who trust the company and who like to support them in the early stage.
If you want to wait for more content to be revealed it’s fine as well. As we know, it’s usually the better option.
But don’t judge it before you even know what’s coming.
It’s been stated that all core features have been announced.
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Where Anet made a serious error imo and the opinion of many others is they decided to gouge the current players just that little bit extra by not including a character slot or two as they did in every expansion in GW save EOTN with the base HoT expansion. I mean seriously, there is zero incentive for a current player to pre purchase the base package.
Thank you, that’s what I think. The price would be okay if we get at least one additional character slot in the normal edition.
There is no ascended buff. That was false information disseminated by over-eager websites. Here’s some accurate information on this and a significant QoL improvement for ascendeds:
I love how everyone in the livestream on guild halls today shut up about $50 dollars being over priced after they shown the content today. Completely tone changed in minutes, so funny.
Many like myself who are upset didn’t bother watching the live stream. Take my silence as protest.
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I mean seriously, there is zero incentive for a current player to pre purchase the base package.
Of all the words posted on this forum since this mess hit the fan these are amongst the truest. Why would anyone pre-purchase this expansion if they’re buying the base game? Sure people intending on buying the deluxe or ultimate package have reasons to do so but the base version of HoT is completely unattractive to existing players.
Well, apart from access to beta weekends* but, to be honest, with so many KickStarters and other companies trying to sell “early access” to their games I can’t be bothered spending my time testing code for them any more. I’m sure not going to pay them for the privilege. I can see how others might see that as enough of an incentive, though.
*I’m guessing there will be no other way to get access to the beta weekends from now on.
The beta access is a perk I suppose but only if you’re interested in testing the game.
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Then there’s the potential rift between new players and old. It’s not unlikely that some bitter vets will continue to air their grievances in mapchat, and bag new players as if they’re to blame. They’re effectively shutting nonpurchasers out of all new content, since it will all require HoT. Forget about buying S3 on the gemstore, that won’t happen, since it’ll require HoT. Many will feel resentful.
For a game that’s marketed as casual friendly and inclusive, that can be disastrous.
Exactly what will happen I’m my opinion.
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I suspect neither Aidenwold or Devata ever worked on software development much less game development.
GW was the equivalent of an Infocom’s ZIL or LucusArts SCUMM game. Relatively easy to knock out another game using the same underlying tech with simply a new coat of paint/art assets.
GW2 is a completely different beast and is more difficult to crank out “another whole game” the way the campaigns were, which is what all of you are calling expansions.
The hub/spoke/instanced model is so much easier to develop new content for than a full blown MMO that GW2 is. And unlike GW they aren’t just throwing a bunch of traits out there and then worry how to balance it all at a later date. That’s just another GW hardcore player harping point. GW2 is targeting the casual player so everything is about simplifying the experience so new players won’t be turned off playing, so no, you cant’ have 100s of traits to rummage through to find the overpowered combination to be nerfed the next time ANet does a balance sweep. Even the reduced set GW2 has still causes ANet to rebalance periodically.
GW2 wasn’t for the GW hardcore, those who were still playing in 2010. The money they spent in GW was long gone in terms of keeping that game open or the development of GW2. Their only contribution was impressing the NCSOFT money guys to lend ANet the development funds for GW2.
And yes, if it wasn’t for EotN with the HoM tying into GW2, GW would have been shut down totally. While GW may have allowed GW2 to be developed, the prospect of GW2 kept GW’s lights on pre launch and GW2’s success since launch.
I can’t speak to his/her resume but I am a programmer and have developed flash based games for over a decade and am a small business owner.
The source code for GW2 is the same proprietary platform as GW1 with a streamlined GUI added to allow anyone at Anet to “code”.
The complexity of the system is irrelevant as they designed it. Map creating is perhaps the simplest part of design for me (Maya, Lightwave) so I’ll asume you my misspoke about it being difficult.
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Thank you, that’s what I think. The price would be okay if we get at least one additional character slot in the normal edition.
You’d still be getting ripped of. The new players are getting 5 character slots and lots of bank space. And you get one character slot for the exact same price.
It is a lot they’re getting I actually had to pull up what came with GW2 as its been years since I looked. I wanted a character slot but now that I see the bank tab, 5 character slots, and inventory tab which are all gem store items now, I got angrier.
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Okay so according to a video from Blog Otter, if I understand him correctly, he thinks the expantion would have been 50 dollars without the base game and they are selling the base game with the expantion because they don’t want a lot of people just having the base game or people who want to start playing now to have to perchase both the core and expantion. Interestingly you can not buy just the core game on their site any site anymore, or I just can’t find it, forcing you to buy the expantion if you want to buy the game. I’m guessing this is an attempt to fix the problem they made with copies still being sold but this does not remove the physical copies from stores.
Is it really such a big loss Anet to just add something to the price of 50 dollars to the people who allready had the game? It will only cost you some work whereass just leaving it as is will cost you some loyal fans to the franchise.
Just and interesting side note: I have seen and heard of a few people with multiple accounts I doubt those people with 2-8 accounts will all buy a 50 dollar expantion where they might have done it for 30 dollars.
His opinion is bought and paid for so take what he says with a grain of salt. They priced the game at $50 because they were told to. They are expected to sell 2 million copies which I doubt they will.
In the end what others think is irrelevant it’s what each consumer is comfortable with. I for one (two accounts) am passing on HoT at this price with these options.
Good news though I’m GW2 player since I’ve already bought the game and so I’ll continue to play forever just not in HoT.
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@Devata when will you accept that ANet will never be able to crank out expansions at a rate that could sustain the business. GW2 is an entirely different style game from GW. And as long as ANet’s number one priority it no monthly fee the cash shop is the only option available short of opening a Patreon account.
Rally against the cash shop but unless you know of a business model that doesn’t include a cash shop that includes juiced up items as most F2P games sell or walled off content that you can access for a fee or for a subscription in everything but name this is the model they have.
Wishing it was “just like GW” with an expansion every 12 months on average to keep the lights on and the development continuing isn’t going to work. I hope you realize that if GW2 didn’t get the green light and the funding from NCSOFT for development, GW would have likely shut down years ago due to lack of income. The only reason it’s still alive today is because ANet tied the HoM to GW2.
You’re forgetting to mention pre launch we were promised the shop wasn’t the revenue generator it’s become. I’d have never bought it if they told the truth. You can claim they need revenue but also remember they change business models on a whim.
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@Otokomae.9356 You are absolutely correct in pointing out the financials behind the pricing and the earnings targets but I would add that you failed to include panic in your assesment. If the game is not on track sales wise and the company has clearly defined targets then heaven and earth will be moved to reach them. Anet are fully capable of adding digital incentives to each package retroactive to all purchasers to entice future sales.
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You also have to pay a monthly fee for wow so the freebies you got you actually were paying for.
A freebie to loyal customer is a freebie .
The fact that it was delivered for a subcription free game, a free game, a buy 2 play game doesn’t make it less of a freebie and doesn’t detract from the fact that regular customer feel rewarded for their loyalty and not discriminated against.
So what you are saying is unless you get a freebie from anet you won’t be happy?
I feel discrimated by a company as a loyal customer whereas newcustomer are considered better in everyway.
This is called customer relation and Anet is doing a poor job at it.
So what you are saying is unless you get a freebie from anet you won’t be happy?
They’re giving the entire core game away as freebie, the whole game! I want equal value or I’m not buying.
Delete your account, go buy the standard addition and start all over. Now you too can get the free benefit of becoming a new player to the game.
No need to delete to start over. I can apply the code as a new account but that’s not an expansion for my current account that I paid max dollar for.
Knowledge is power.
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Another unwanted effect of the Pricewall is that it doesn’t attract new players, because of the anger and sadness of us, “veterans”. Potential new players learn about it; we talk about it with IRl friends and they know how we feel. Thus ANet as a whole get a terrible reputation all of sudden, and potential new players choose to ignore the game.
I have two friends who bought the core game before its launch, but didn’t liked the gameplay and left very quickly. We often have heated argument over GW2 compared to other MMO (they really like TESo, for instance, while I find it clunky and not dynamic at all, but that’s another story) and now, I feel as if I haven’t any argument to oppose them when we talk about GW2. That’s really disheartening.
Same with my friends. I’m the last man standing and they’re always trying to lure me to other MMOs even though they own GW2 they quit 2 months after launch because they felt lied to.
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The real problem with this pricing at least for the existing player is that at the Basic level it appears that you need to spend $10 more for a character slot (because having access to the new profession is important to a lot of people) or upgrade to $75++ to get one with a slot (and some bonuses).
But this seems extremely money grabby when some but not a lot of new playable content has been made known especially at kitten base price point.
Furthermore, the controversy regarding the FAQ change, and the seemingly terminte account and refund rather than paying the difference for the expansion to the newer players who bought into GW2 because it was stated that the base game was required for the expansion only to have this change out from under them. Now, you can terminate your old account (losing gem purchases, any progress made, friends list, and so on in the process) or you can pay full price for the expansion and add it to your relatively new account and maintain your old progress.
Tired and not sure what I’m writing at this point, but this seems like a bit of a downer of a deal for anyone but the prospective player, and then again, seeing the uproar this is causing I might shy away if I were a potential buyer.
Well put and add the ascended buff that breaks the last pillar of the manifesto to that but my objections were primarily monetary. I demand equal value for my money (not better but equal).
A new player gets
5 free slots
A bank tab
A material tab
The entire game I can live with as I want new players in Tyria but come on, I’m not paying what they are for less than half what they get.
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You also have to pay a monthly fee for wow so the freebies you got you actually were paying for.
A freebie to loyal customer is a freebie .
The fact that it was delivered for a subcription free game, a free game, a buy 2 play game doesn’t make it less of a freebie and doesn’t detract from the fact that regular customer feel rewarded for their loyalty and not discriminated against.
So what you are saying is unless you get a freebie from anet you won’t be happy?
I feel discrimated by a company as a loyal customer whereas newcustomer are considered better in everyway.
This is called customer relation and Anet is doing a poor job at it.
So what you are saying is unless you get a freebie from anet you won’t be happy?
They’re giving the entire core game away as freebie, the whole game! I want equal value or I’m not buying.
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yeah this occured to me as well.
and there will be a decent amount of people who dont switch over for some time. In the original phantasy star online, which ended up working similarly(though for better reasons), i remember they had a decent amount of vanilla players till the game closed.
i think what it all boils down to, is they overestimated how much current players would be comfortable paying for the expansion as they have currently promoted it.
It’s not the end of the world. It makes me more sad than angry that they felt this was a good thing but I wholeheartedly disagree with devaluing my money so I’m passing on it completely as will my wife. All of my gaming friends I came to GW with quit long ago but I love my guild so missing missions if they’re in HoT areas will be a bummer but oh well, a man has to do what he feels is right.
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Anet included GW2 in HoT for new players to entice them to visit Tyria which makes sense. New players likely would be turned off by buying 2 full games to try out HoT. They don’t want players separated by a Paywall in GW2 which would divide the Player Base and as LS3 (or LS4 really as HoT is LS3) will certainly be located in the HoT map.
Where Anet made a serious error imo and the opinion of many others is they decided to gouge the current players just that little bit extra by not including a character slot or two as they did in every expansion in GW save EOTN with the base HoT expansion. I mean seriously, there is zero incentive for a current player to pre purchase the base package.
What this decision has led to is a bit of a paradox considering their intentions were unity of the Player Base, as “veteran” player I won’t be buying the expansion as it is offered currently and as I see no signs that Anet will change their minds (which they are entitled not to, it is their game) I will be locked out behind a Paywall after buying a collector’s edition of GW2 and a new player won’t be. This certainly isn’t Anet’s intention and I’m sure they would love for everyone to join in the fun, but I’m a customer and they’re a business not my friends, and I’m unhappy paying the same and getting less than a new player.
I still plan on playing GW2 and fighting all your revenants with my old school non mastery toons and enjoying the game I paid $150 for that I can play forever while Anet gives that game away for free to the new guys. If the game goes on sale I’ll snatch it up but until then as a consumer I’ll play what I’ve already paid for until they turn the servers off.
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Since I bought the Ultimate edition, does that mean I paid for the game 3 times? And if I decided to buy another Ultimate just because, then I’d have bought the game a total of 5 times?
No. It doesn’t work that way. And ICE’s OP about the endless cycle of forum life is pretty spot on.
The amount of players that never come / came back aren’t here to dispute the statement but we all know loads of players who aren’t buying HoT. The left and never were heard from again.
My collector’s edition laughs at your digital thingy
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This is short and sweet. It’s a cycle that I’ve seen happen over and over again.
Anet will release or change something. Like Megaserver for example. People immediately start complaining on the forums, the pages are filled with topics: “I’m quitting!” “Let’s make Anet hear us!”
Anet will not change anything. They are in the buisness to make money. Just like the era of Megaserver, they will ignore EVERYTHING you guys say until things die down. They know eventually you will accept it and buy the expac anyway. Just like it took about a month to accept the Megaserver, and now nobody complains and have grown to accept it, it will be the same here.
And the folks at Anet are probably laughing at the threats to not buy the expansion when they know well, when it releases and people realize the price will be the same, they will purchase it anyway. All while copy pasting reassuring messages your complaints are being heard.
That’s how it is.
Well I know you’re wrong. I for one will not pre buy HoT unless they change this. I will also not buy HoT when it goes live if I feel they haven’t changed.
I’ve actually considered playing just the core game and uploading a poverty wars 2 playlist to see what life is like for those who don’t buy HoT, just in case they don’t change this. So no, I will not cave in and just buy it.
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I just wanted to take some time to say thank you for the all of the time and content that I have been able to enjoy in both Guild Wars 1 & Guild Wars 2.
I look forward to participating in the upcoming beta events for Heart of Thorns, as well as playing with those who work to gain enough personal XP to over come these illusions of perceived entitlement and pricing injustices, so that they can truly enjoy the game.
en·ti·tle·ment
in?t?dlm?nt,en?t?dlm?nt/
noun
the fact of having a right to something.
“full entitlement to fees and maintenance should be offered”
synonyms: right, prerogative, claim; More
the amount to which a person has a right.
“annual leave entitlement”
synonyms: right, prerogative, claim; More
the belief that one is inherently deserving of privileges or special treatment.
“no wonder your kids have a sense of entitlement”
As this game is a product and I’m a customer I am entitled to my opinion and as my control over my wallet is absolute my opinion is the only one that matters where spending is concerned.
Buy To Play Guild Wars 2 2012-2015 – RIP Unlucky since launch, RNG isn’t random PugLife SoloQ
The game will go on sale later which is better value.