Guild Wars 2

I am stuck at 95% as well and dates have not been conveyed to people well at all.

“Living Story” was sold as an on-going continous event. That made me think that this is something we were supposed to be able to go back to and finish, ESPECIALLY after the whole Karka event debacle. Obviously that isn’t the case. Neither it is a Living story (because it was killed abruptly) nor were the dates conveyed well to the general populace.

I was able to log in after I refreshed my ip. Not sure if anyone else tried the same or if it got fixed right as I did it.

People, there’s obviously a disconnect between map coverage and the forum posts about what X server does.

The simple fact is that 5/7 nights the CDBL is the most active BL because our lack of population to defend against multiple attacks. 7/7 nights CD corner of EB ma kitten uffering a 2 prong attack.

Does this mean it’s something that shouldn’t be done? Heck no, any server would be a fool not to go through the path of least resistance.

Does it mean that YB or EBay are horrible? not necessarily, although I get really miffed when I try to help defend CDBL against huge EBay zergs while YB is stomping EBay in EB. It’s as if they give up on defending their territory and moved to attack something else. (yes, it has happened 4-5 nights in two weeks of fighting, please don’t dispute this).

Lastly, unlike some I don’t think YB has the numbers or capability to roflstomp us (eb/cd). They simply have a larger presence during prime time which gives them a great head-start on the week when reset occurs.
Don’t take that as an insult, it’s a numbers game, nothing wrong with that.

I think there is some truth to Boss’ statement but it isn’t necessarily nice.

Thing is CD has been double teamed (generally) during NA prime time. We have the lowest population during that time, so we just try to hang on. The consequent talking how we are “bad” is not really called for.

Like last night, EB committed most of their players to hold CD keep. They had (I gave it a rough count) 25+ people defending it. We had about 25 attacking. It made no sense to me that EB would focus CD so hard instead of defending against YB, but it didn’t matter, we ended the night with us higher on PPT scale.

Do we have the right to exact some revenge? Of course. And I’m glad for that. Does it mean it’s malicious trash talk, not necessarily. Same can be said of ANY server that trash talks.

Sev.5769:

Alright, since you’re saying outright that a majority of our posters were obsessed with T1, perhaps you’d like to back it up with something solid? Since you’re such a paragon of truthfulness, surely you have sufficient examples of this suggested vocal majority to justify your statement.

Lets pretend that the recruitment threads before paid transfer window didn’t happen.
Forum search is your friend.

Columba.9730:

I don’t believe them. If this were true they would have demonstrated that its possible on a small scale by now. They haven’t.

They have.

sPvP and thieves. Research before posting.

crewthief.8649:

Here’s what I would do if I were on SoR/SoS; When SoR or BG are capable of putting up a 695 PPT against JQ, i’d remember those JQ members who posted in here and troll them like crazy if they had the audacity to complain. Of course, first you’ll have to be able to muster a 695 PPT. About that…

Or they could just show some tact and respect.

Something JQ seems to be greatly lacking.

You should probably delete your signature next time you claim to play “thief class” and are “op as a thief”.

That’s silly, you only need 5 events and you most definitely can do 5 in WvW. Heck, you can get 5 daily items in WvW twice as fast as in PvE.

So please, stop nitpicking.

Unless you are having some trouble reading, it actually just got easier to do the daily in WvW.

/ponder

Real tasteful post there JQ.

Great job in showing up to your opponents.

/scathing sarcasm button off

Mayoken.9851:

Yes, we don’t care about Tier 1. We do care about solidifying our WvW coverage all around the clock. Right now WvW is frusterating for the NA guilds b/c when we get online all the keeps in all the borderlands are upgraded against us b/c we have no organized WvW guilds in the EU Time frame. The NA guilds have been playing earlier and staying up later for about 4 weeks now and it’s starting to strain us. Thought we would reach out to the Guild Wars 2 community and see the response we would get.

This is simply not true.

I don’t really care about the thread but when I go in to read something I do like to call out false statements. During server transfers craze and Kain’s move up the ladder most of your posters were talking about “our trip to Tier1” “join us as we take Tier 1 by the storm” (paraphrasing), etc.

Anyways, good luck in your recruiting, but please don’t mislead people.

dejay.2598:

you guys act like vanilla wow’s world pvp wasn’t extremely fun. don’t talk about gear grinds either, sure, some guy with a hand of rag had an advantage but the way numbers scaled you still had a chance if you outplayed him. not to mention pvp at low levels still existed. then bc came around and arena was fun for awhile. Then I was out because it got repetitive and I wasn’t fond of the new skills. But the point remains.

it’s kind of sad I actually think of AV as a fun and dynamic pvp map now in comparison

NO ONE had a chance against my rogue one shotting them unless they were fully geared BWL+ tank for their guild in WoW vanilla.

So I’m not sure where you are coming from but WoW was built on one-shots which evolved into stun-fests later on in arena.

Nerd rage thread is nerd raging.

You all should calm down and not pass judgment until you see the changes in effect. THEN and ONLY THEN can you claim to know what kind of balance effects did the patch have.

Now back to my tear watered drink … mmmm so salty.

No, inside quentin lodge, dragon tooth and constant mesmer spam in safe spots.

Not just me but others as well. And no, wanna be know it alls, they weren’t sniping from the gulley in quentin.

GG @ Maguuma players using line of sight hacks to attack people inside towers.

Real skill there!

Wreckdum.8367:

I swear everyone sees what they want to see in WvW.

Every side getting dominated just says the other side has more people.

We didn’t have that many people last night. I can think of one fight at Jerrifer’s Slough where SBI had more than we did AND siege weapons raining down on us and we still snatched that keep.

A more dominant force always LOOKS bigger. I mean clearly there could never be anyone more skilled at pressing buttons on a keyboard than anyone else… Only explanation can be outnumbered.

I think you are talking about CD (ergo the Jerrifers mention)?

I was there and we were outnumbered about 2.5-3:1.
I know because I turned on my tag trying to concentrate people, wasn’t possible because we were overran.

Xavi.6591:

Altie.4571:

Yes, a Mod deleted my post saying that if you allow someone to rez a mesmer by the door it’s YOUR fault and it’s not hacking. W/E.

If it’s an exploit they can remove it. I still don’t think it’s an exploit AND I know it’s easily countered.

Yeah if you mean having to camp that dead Mesmer for hours then for sure it’s easily countered.

/sarcasm

Time out > camping. Players will time out after 5 minutes either to waypoint or disconnect.

Columba.9730:

In WvWvW, thieves already get perma stealth due to culling. Thieves already have great escape tools. The other classes with good mobility also have low health, so I don’t get your points.

We’re talking about fixing the class not game bugs.

They already know about game bugs. Please focus.

I dislike the stealth mechanic as it is.

i feel that if you want to give us stealth, you do so for a permanent feature, or a 30 second buff we can use BUT once we are out/attack, we are out for the duration except for using Shadow Refuge.

Of course I do believe that the class would need to be re-balanced after this change because a lot of our defense comes from hiding. So stealth as it is needs to be revisited, it’s not fun for people to play against, and in turn yields a lot of complaints about the class.

If stealth is revisited as I hope it would, we also need to revisit thief mobility. It would need to be increased. It’s hard to imagine a class with twice the survivability of a thief having higher combat mobility even though the thief was branded as a ‘mobile killer’. We must address that.

Yes, a Mod deleted my post saying that if you allow someone to rez a mesmer by the door it’s YOUR fault and it’s not hacking. W/E.

If it’s an exploit they can remove it. I still don’t think it’s an exploit AND I know it’s easily countered.

What was SBI doing last night?
Most nights YB outnumbers both SBI and CD combined. So when they turn to SBI we try to push them hard to alleviate pressure on SBI so they can survive in EB. Last night I turn around and see a zerg of SBI in CDBL while they were being kicked out of eternal.

If you defended eternal with that zerg it would have been a more competitive night, but it ended up being YB kicks sbi out, turns to cd, we delay as much as we can but are greatly outnumbered. Everyone kicked out of eternal.

And pigeonhold 2nd place into 2nd place permanently?

Force servers into overmatched fights?

Force servers to fight vastly greater numbers?

Remove an incentive to fight for position?

No thanks.

ITT:
OP: People are playing WvW when I don’t, STOP THEM!

Let it go. Stop the QQ train.

WvW is a 24hr game. It’s no ones fault that when someone sleeps others play.

Capping is fine as is.

I like how YB is starting to throw thinly veiled statements that “CD is only competitive because they got a bunch of oceanic bads”

First of all, CD could use the same sentence for the NA prime time. So quit the “prime time” discussion because as it happens ours are not at the same time. We’d be evenly matched if it was and that’s that. And our oceanics have a holiday this week, so let them be.

Also, after seeing YB camp the JP for two straight days I’ve decided that all YB are KOS in jp’s from now on. A shame because we got along for almost two weeks without campers. The other day I made sure that CD players camped the JP because YB wasn’t allowing anyone up.

Usually not a problem for me since I have gone through the arena campers undetected, but very annoying anyways.

Ungood.3054:

For example:

in a 8 Tier system.

Tier 1 – 1st and 2nd place, stay, 3rd place moves to Tier 2
Tier 2 – 1st place moves to Tier 1, 2nd Place Stays, 3rd Place Moves to Tier 3
Tier 3 – 1st place moves to Tier 2, 2nd Place Stays, 3rd Place Moves to Tier 4
Etc, etc, etc, all the way Down to the List till Tier 8.
Tier 8 – 1st place Moves Up, 2nd and 3rd Stay.

This would keep words cycling, but also keep people close to where they belong without any form of stagnation, or would there be top or bottom tier traps.

So yah. My feeling is that WvWvW was over analyzed and that needs to go away, and a simple method of making winning and losing mean more in the here and now should be put in.

Absolutely HORRIBLE idea.

Instead of saying do away with logical thought process I think you should include some of it in your suggestion.

In your example, the 2nd place server is stuck. That’s it. It will always be blue for extended periods of time. Drop down server will be stronger than it, bring up server will be weaker than it. So it’s forced to fight in the worst color yet again… Blue.
This would repeat for months potentially for every single tier.

No thanks. Good job so far Anet.

My suggestion is to ONLY add a bonus to the winning team. AKA, if you win you earn 20 (or whatever is deemed best) rating points only. Maybe just maybe you might add that if you lose you are deducted 20 rating points only but I’m not sure that’s necessary.

That will help some stagnation but will not pigeon hole the 2nd place as much as this suggestion above.

loopi.7913:

I’ve tried and played quite a few mmo’s out there and while this game is currently my favorite for the gaming experience, it is definitely last in communication between their player base and the game designers. It’s not the amount of communication it’s the complete lack of it. I just don’t understand… This was one of the biggest selling games of 2012, Yet the amount of manpower focused on keeping the community informed is nil. Wth? Am I the only one confused by the lack of customer communicators? Is there not a small department at Anet that should be dedicated to this? Even if they are not devs, they can be the go betweens between the designers and those needing questions answered, real issues that need attention, or future update fixes. (and not moderators because they just monitor forum rabble) That to me just good business sense. Please anyone listening?

Honestly, you should just try forum search.

Because there is communication. Saying none is false and everyone knows it :-/

VOLKON.1290:

It’s sad… Jade Quarry has fought our tails off for months to hold onto T1 against some great and worthy competition, probably none more worthy than the two servers we face this week. Yet, based on the old scoring, the three of us are destined for T4, losing our hard fought status to low tier servers that ran over little to no competition. With this system they could bank enough points to hold onto T1 slots they haven’t earned through time for an extended period.

I really hope this is being thought through.

In the post stated by Mike Ferguson he addressed your concern.

They will revise the math so that blowouts are a one week deal. They haven’t posted the formula yet because they are working on a way to do this.

So, If you keep trying you will be back in tier 1 within 2-3 weeks.

I dislike the idea of winner goes +1, loser -1 position.

Under a system like this the 2nd place team has a very high chance of being stuck in 2nd for a long time. Why? When a server moves down from a higher tier, it is usually stronger than those below it. Which automatically would give it a chance to win the tier and go back up. However the server that came up is usually (the latest pre-paid transfers issue aside) weaker than those above it. So this would make it that the 2nd place team from the week before would be almost guaranteed a 2nd place two weeks in a row just because of the way the system is set up.

MarMaster.6241:

Altie.4571

The WvW community of GW2 is by far the smallest of all 3 or maybe 4 if you count RP player bases. It’s easy to figure it out, just look at map limits and coverages.

Please show your numbers for this comment.

The limits argument “24+27 servers x 500” is a red herring. That’s the max at one time. There are way more of us that want to play, follow the play, and are leveling and building chars to play in wvw. WvW is a form of end-game for us that don’t really want to token/relic farm.

It’s a good estimate though.

27 servers fielding about 300 people at any given hour, now lets say those 300 people are different every single hour. That is the 27 × 300 × 24 = 194k. Out of 3 million sales.

And if this is a decent game like we all will agree the retention rate is at least 50%. 200k out of 1,500k is a small number. That’s overestimating.

These aren’t hard numbers or facts, but decent approximations to show the difference between perception (because we are in wvw and don’t pve, or we are in wvw forum not other forums) and the evidence to the contrary.

Jeknar.6184:

Altie.4571:

Can we please stop equating WvW population with SERVER population.

The two aren’t that closely tied together.

As for the question by the OP, no, it’s not.

If the first phrase was meant to me, i’m asking about exclusively WvWvW… For PvE, i can use guesting anyway, so it’s not relevant.

And for your answer, you could at least say what server it is, no? (Since it’s not written on your signature)

It was meant for the general overtones in the OP’s and few other peoples posts.

And yes, my server is in my signature

Can we please stop equating WvW population with SERVER population.

The two aren’t that closely tied together.

As for the question by the OP, no, it’s not.

Kraken.7514:

It seems all those millions they are bathing in dont let them see the issues affecting the main player base of this game that is ofc the WvW comunity

Let’s clarify the misconception here…

The WvW community of GW2 is by far the smallest of all 3 or maybe 4 if you count RP player bases. It’s easy to figure it out, just look at map limits and coverages.

In any case, no one is lying to you and most of us are having a good time playing WvW. Are there issues? Yes. Has there been communication about them from development? Not as much as we would like, but yes there has been communication.

The world isn’t black and white fyi.

Seriously

This thread is too nice. Stop it!
I know what will get this thread back to normalcy (it’s a word, I’m sure!)

TIM TEABOW, quarterback with talent, or a talentless quarterback. Discuss!

Offski.4897:

So there is an issue with queue’s, well a massive issue.

Culling is also hot and cold – not being able to see a ram being used when commanding is just a bit frustrating.

Also comeon Anet let us know the new ratings system, just shows a complete lack of respect to all those who have paid for this game and put time and effort into it.

But the worst issue is the lack of any responce from Anet. At least let us know they are aware of these problems and trying to fix them.

Overall Anet’s communication with the wvw community is appalling. No doubt this thread will last all of 2 minutes before it is deleted. Wish they put as much effort into replying as they did in deleting posts etc.

Let me go ahead and reply to some of your questions here since you are making FALSE statements.

First off, they have made multiple replies to the culling issue and their projections/aspirations to it. You simply refuse to search before posting.

Just last week Habib (I believe) posted about queues, and that they will monitor them even more so to check peoples claims. Which by the way, are not always correct. Just because you think there’s X amount of people on a map doesn’t mean there really is. I don’t respond to wild man/team rants a lot of times when in wvw, do you account for all the people who aren’t jumping on your headcount?
One more thing, often times the attack force is wildly exageratted. It makes people feel better to say “oh heck we got wiped by a zerg” when it was a group of 12-15 people (I’ve witness it occur, it’s just human mentality).

The rating system IS transparent. They published the EXACT formula they use to compute it right here on this very forum. Again, search before posting.

Lastly, I do agree with you that they are out of touch with this rating reset, because the tiers have started to calm down now, but when did that mean that they are disrespecting you and other players? These people that work on games are proud of their work, they don’t go out to screw you, they go out to make a fanbase. You don’t do that by doing your worst, you get a fanbase by trying your best.

Does Anet have far to go in order to be considered perfect? Heck yeah. I’m sure they will be the first to tell you that. But it doesn’t mean they are out to “get you” and “screw you out of your money”.

Lets not get too carried away with strange and weird suggestions.

Step 1: Allow AoE to hit anyone within the aoe field. AKA, remove the targets cap except for skills with intended cap.

Then wait to see what happens.

• Characters that disconnect during combat grant rewards to their opponent, and suffer penalties as though they have been killed.

I stand corrected, it’s when in combat not downed.

The fraps you posted there is not the issue that Anet fixed.

Anet installed a fix that gives credit if a player is DOWNED and exits the game. That ranger exited just before he was to be downed. It’s a way of alt f4 without the penalty it seems.

Now the OP said that his opponent was in a downed state. That could be a hack of sorts.

Mehknic.2904:

As a commander from EB last night, I can tell you why this happened. We showed up on the map at primetime, took back our third of EB, and then started pushing into Kaineng territory with some success. While we were doing that, we looked back and saw that CD was pushing into ours after taking back theirs. After that, the floodgates opened. If you guys were going to hit the weaker target, we would too. Why waste our time beating our heads against the fortified blues while losing our stuff when we could just smash through the unfortified greens and stop your backcapping at the same time?

It also happened on reset night. We’d get our stuff on the BL, start pushing blue, and then we’d have green sieging our stuff from behind because it was the easier target.

In other words: you reap what you sow.

No worries, we clarified it in map chat right after YB pushed south and made us try to defend our keep against CD and our tower against YB. Impossible to do with the numbers we had.

In any case, all present CD players have been educated that it was our own fault. We had a rogue commander turn on his tag and take a zerg north, all the way to Mendons. We couldn’t believe it especially since we had a commander deep into special K territory.

John Widdin.9618:

Alrighty, done.

I love you.

Have my babies?

Bones.5762:

nalenb.1425:

So, since FA and Mag are much more awesome than us on DB (judging by the number of posts), what fun activities do you have planned for all of us tomorrow night before reset?

DB has a great community especially since the collaspe way back in week 7 or so when 5-6major guilds left for SoS, they’ve slowly rebuilt and they’ve climbed back to t3. Every server is good in their own way,

I personally being on all of these server at one point in time know these servers well. I started launch week on DB, hopped to kaineg after the collapse of DB in t2 and to escape the drama I went to the one place that TRULY didn’t care about winning because holding one tower for an hour=win! Came to maguuma, loved it there but left because of some issues, which i won’t discuss, went to JQ with tolbhrin which was just straight up awful, not that the server was bad, it was just too much of a stalemate because if you don’t run in groups of 15ish you get zerged over alot, so i asked tolbhrin if he wanted to go back down a couple of tiers to escape having to zerg with others as we usually run in small groups anyways, and here we are in FA now. But for the record we came here at the same time as the IoJ xfer but didn’t know about it or else i wouldve asked tolbhrin to go to DB to help balance the match.

This must be the strangest reply to a post I’ve ever seen. Did you read the post you quoted? I don’t think it has anything to do with what you were talking about…
I’m confused.

PS. I’m in here requesting … NO DEMANDING that the thread title be changed. The server names are incorrect. It’s obviously:
Magoonba / Fort JANTHIR / Dragonbrand

kkthx.

I’m on CD and I’m one of the commanders.

When the siegerazer event is started, most often than not it elicits a 30+ man zerg onto the group that started it. It’s only worth running it if you have a distraction on the map elsewhere, otherwise you are going to be slaughtered.

Heck we just held cragtop for almost 4 hours against special K, finally succumbed. As it was starting to look bad I took a moment to count CD players and get an estimate of the special K players. They were around 38-40, we were at 12. What can you hold with that?

But we still managed to somehow hold it for that long. Testament to the perseverance and the attitude of the players on CD.

Bard.7215:

Kaineng was so bad before the initial guilds transferred(For reasons pertaining to issues with their home realm) that it took weeks of map capping before getting out of eighth tier.

It was only after the formation of the NEO alliance and the ascension of at least two tiers that other groups got interested and transferred over. The actual bandwagoners (People who joined to take advantage of the ascension and would leave at the first sign of hitting a challenging opponent) are of little impact.

As much as people would like to believe Kaineng is fragile construct destined to fall apart once it actually meets an opponent it can’t simply dominate, that idea just isn’t so.

False.

Special K barely smelled t7 until WM decided to run away from tier 1. That brought the other band-wagoners to ride the WM win trail. Yes, Special K didn’t win without WM.

You’re better off going to TC, or JQ.

The community overall is much better than KN. My opinion. As a server you may have trouble getting all of your players in the same map due to huge numbers in KN.

CHIPS.6018:

That’s the risk of ninja-ing. You guys had at least 40 guys on for most of yesterday on CD BL. If you got caught 2 vs 30, it probably means you “choose” not to join your zerg and instead went ninja-ing. You can get caught ninja-ing by a zerg in any server. ^^

I wouldn’t have called yesterday’s fight epic if you guys didn’t have that many people.

I was talking about KBL, not CBL. Please reread.

I know a bunch of us always try to get a foothold in CDBL.

RyuDragnier.9476:

ryan.3915:

Hey all,

EDMW had a discussion and we decided that Crystal Desert no longer had the PvE and WvW environment that we wanted. After much difficulty in deciding, EDMW has moved to Jade Quarry.

What’s this about not having the PvE environment for your guild? I really want to know, since I find it really hard to NOT find parties for dungeons, find players running around in fields, and not to mention the players that sweep across Orr and get everything into our hands before going into Arah.

They need to say something to make it seem like it’s not just about WvW. It’s fine they held out very long for what it’s worth.

I will note that WvW participation in GW2 overall is a very small number.

The announcement of free transfers ending and the fiasco that ensued afterwards turned many people away from WvW. The community shrank so much more because the casual player has no incentive anymore to participate.

Even I, the guy that gained 40 of my 80 levels in WvW within the first two weeks of the game being out, find myself lacking the drive to go into WvW.

This is the second time CD has gone through the exodus with people having no server loyalty whatsoever. I’ll still show up, but I won’t be turning my tag on, not until everything stabilizes.

P.S. it was funny seeing a 30 man zerg in KBL going behind 2 players (myself and an elemental) taking back camps. Sad, but still funny.

lol

That is all.

He used to play on CD until a couple of days ago. We are used to people bailing here. Interwebs is made for kittens.

The Metaphysical.7963:

No tactics? I dont even see you guys on the map. And youre talking shiet? Cmon. Thats just straight unnecessary hate and ignorance, dont be like that as a person. Press B ingame whenever you want to talk shiet about Kaineng, maybe it will remind you to maybe not do that anymore.

My statement stands. Why are you so hurt by it?

You won’t reach t1 any time soon. Anyone from tier3 and up does the things you do and in some cases much better than you do. Just because CD suffered to the transfer panic doesn’t mean you are ‘better’ than it’s players. Just means that there is more of you.

Learn how to WvW, kkthx.