Guild Wars 2

After reading the matchmaking process Anet uses, my idea above is clearly never in play.

The problem may be the “rating padding”. In a high pop environment its impact is minimal, but in GW2 this is creating a large number of unbalanced matches. To the point that most of your games are blowouts because some players were padded too much just to get them into a match.

That being said padding has to be there because of their “if no one around your mmr, go back to q”. That has to be abandoned in a sense. Then padding may not be necessary?

I’m hoping people make a legit conversation with ideas rather than the constant QQ.

Can we stop saying the matchmaker is wrong. It picked the people very well! ~250 difference at most is not that bad because of player population.

The issue is how it placed the 7 players (3 2p groups and 4 1p players) into groups. It could have placed them with an average MMR of less than 50, but it did it in such a way that they are much higher than that.

Therefore creating lopsided matches. What we need to understand is whether there is any logic to balance out a match after MM pulls in players, or is it first come first serve basis.

I would like to know how are people disputing Acandis’ findings?

Stop, look at what he posted.
What the matchmaking should have done is split the two higher rated duos to face each other. Then use the 3rd duo/remaining players to round out to a relatively even rating.

In this case it failed and I think this is an issue with the code that needs to be reviewed.

This isn’t about what’s fair and to whom it’s fair. What rating win/loss they get. It’s about providing the most even matchup. In this case, one team was stacked with 4 nearly highest rated players, vs pugs and lower rated duo.

I do hope that this example is taken and the code is reviewed. All these people can be in the same matchup, this is ok, but the matchmaker should have after finding 10 people re-organized them to correct teams.

What I am worried is that the matchmaker found 10 people (which seems fine plats mostly), and then assigned them teams in order of queue entry: blue/red/blue/red etc.
That broke the team set up. Instead of taking 2 highest combined duo ratings, splitting to red/blue, add 3rd duo to lower rated, fill out remaining teams according to rating

in this case que is formed of:
3540 ; 2p
3440 ; 2p
3130 ; 2p
1710 ; 1p
1680 ; 1p
1630 ; 1p
1510 ; 1p

Then it’s easy from there to go blue red blue red by taking the above groups into teams based on rating, the lowest team gets the next player until they are even or above the opposing team
The ending result would be:
blue : 8440 (3540+1710+168+1510) 1 duo but higher average
red: 8200 (3440+3130+1630) 2 duos but lower average

The average rating would be less than 50pts difference.

That didn’t happen above, and the result was a roflstomp, a match not fun for any player. Winners would get bored easily, losers would be disheartened.

@ThreatTopic

I do think this is a good first step, but I do believe a harsher penalty is in order if the fixing/cheating is proven.

Someone suggested rewards be taken away from those involved. Such as any titles/skins achieved during the time.

I was going to respond how this is false… but then I lul’d at the trolling.

Rar, tell your team to take notes so you guys can yell like this too!!!

So you nerf thief/Mesmer without corresponding nerfs to other counter classes?

While I believe Double Moa should be removed, other ones would require some further adjustments to control effects.

Also Headshot 2 more ini? lol

maybe it evens out, keep in mind that population may balance out the rank gain. I do think legendary should have been unchanged. It’s legendary for a reason imo.

Here’s the direct ANet Quote:

We are working on a solution to further support competitive modes within the game. We do like the idea of Guild Wars 1’s Automated Tournaments and are drawing inspiration from that. We’ll have more on this as we get closer to releasing any changes or additions.

So if true, then yes, they should operate similar to the way GW1 tournaments operated, which were constantly occurring and would lead up to a world champ. The world champs then had their own board in the mists listing the winners. Which is pretty neat, placing your name within the game.

I bow to the patience you have. I always pride myself on mine but this is way beyond me.

Why do we love Tybalt? Because he’s not this overpowered great hero, he was just one of us, trying to be the best little spy he could!

We are Tybalt

(coming from an eternal Charr hater… FOR ASCALON!)

Lucentfir.7430

If automated tournaments become a thing in the future, that should be the only way it’s obtained in Spvp. Considering all the work in collections you need to do to even craft Legendary armor in PVE.

I’ve done several legendaries myself and I realize the time investment, that’s why I said, provide an avenue, but make it take a while.

There should be a way to acquire these in PvP. Either through a large ascended shard purchase of the required items or as a reward for X position. I do think that if you are top 10, you should have your choice of legendary armor piece. It provides replay ability for best players to come back for several seasons, and incentive to do better.

Or ask for like 500 ascended shards for items required to craft it, rather than having to do a raid.

Keep in mind unless position based, rewards in PvP are easier to get, so they should cost slightly higher. And Anet can easily offset that with time required to get them.

tl;dr… provide an avenue for legendary through pvp.

They are obviously legit as they were the 10 best in NA. Don’t bring up the “past” players as an argument. It’s best of current and they were the best. If people who used to play want to be considered the best, then they need to be there otherwise, forgotten them already.

Such a silly argument.

Condi d/d spam 3 thief was in the top 10 rankings this past season.

So whoever says it’s not valid is wrong.

Hey it’s not worse than coming in to play a decay game with/against bronze level players, only to find that the other thief that didn’t want to switch is p/p.

And teamfights while standing in the middle of the node… Sorry that was just a painful moment for me

So with 6 teams plus 11 free agents, that meets the minimum number of 8 teams?

^ – Free agents may be grouped in a team

Now if others would sign up there would be a full on tournament of Groucharoo tourney.
There is a point to be made that this should be a Monthly until more participation is built up.

I hope to see more teams sign up, whatever the skill level!

I will try to at least watch for support.
People complain about the pvp scene, here is your chance to participate and build it back up!

Good luck to the organizers!

I was wrong, anet already has a sticky!
*Anet, you should help advertise events like these and the weekly 1v1’s. *

fyi one 4k gem purchase went through fine, I tried to do one more and it failed.

Since I’m doing a purchase to show support and get some shared inventory slots I figure I’m not in a hurry. And since I’m a bit self conscious when buying online I don’t want to many “error” transactions. You never know what can suddenly hit your bank.

I was just trying it too, no luck.

I’m a bit hesitant that the bank was charged though so I haven’t tried smaller amounts, but … I did take screenshots, I’ll try with 4k gems and see what it says

In general, forums for any game are a cesspool.

But I do agree with the sentiment, gw2 is a really nice game. The combat mechanics are hardly matched by anyone else.

Every now and then I think of playing wow, but remembering that I had to target something to perform an action makes me go like “how ancient is that?”

The game has many more positives than negatives. True, they may have bit off more than they could chew by trying so many game modes at once, but I still enjoy it and will keep enjoying it.

I watched this last week I believe and it was acrually fun seeing how people play classes or approach fighting someone.

That druid heal spam was no fun tho!

If you don’t accept, the MM has to go find another person to fill the queue. So those that were there have to wait again, ergo you must be punished in some way.

I queued last night, the queues were all a few minutes each. That’s not a good enough excuse and I believe this is right. Leave queue if you are away for any reason.

bluri.2653:

What a silly thread lol, but yes I am not gone I will still continue to play/stream

Don’t lie, according to the internets you are:

• Dead – only dead people post and stream.
• In Mourning because of Misha – cause you never stream solo queue
• Hate life – because you hate everything
• Moved on – because you didn’t stream since like 3 days ago
• Emo – because you didn’t stream since 3 days ago
• Hate Anet – because you didn’t stream since 3 days ago
• Hate people – because you’re emo
• Can’t solo – because you didn’t stream solo queues 3 days ago

For the slow people, that was sarcasm. Don’t be emo and use others to make your point, you’re just proven wrong!

the profession is ONLY locked if the match has started or is (I believe) 10s from starting. So you have over a minute to swap.

Please don’t spread misinformation. If you started a match with that comp, you lose the right to complain. And the poll didn’t pass, people didn’t want profession based ranking so there is no profession based matchmaking!

Evan Lesh.3295:

For Sigil of Revelation, the purpose would be to pull people out of stealth, but not prevent it. Something like a 1/4 second reveal would accomplish that.

This seems like a direct counter to thief sigil. And I frankly don’t understand it. Right now the thief role is a +1, how does this help game balance by adding a thief finder mechanic for all classes?

I applaud the aggressive approach, it’s going to be easier to balance the game with less options out there, but I’m not necessarily enamored with some of them. Which may be the goal but power build options need some revisions.
5% damage seems weak.

I’m still a bit more inclined towards the skill modifier sigils rather than on-proc/on-swap sigils.

They can be a powerful tool in creating build diversity within the game.

DH is not really meta. Easily countered gameplay is easily countered. This is why it falls off in usage the higher you go.

Traps are triggered by pets/clones. Dodge through them.
Not sure why you’re mad, but just calm down and try different things. Unless you’re a necro, at which point get your minions to eat the traps and line of sight cheese.

how can anyone list a p/p CONDI thief, let alone in top 250?

like wut?

xeonage.1253:

NO. there have nothing both on PVP and PVE. People still kitten the balance in PVP and pass same keys to pass same raid week by week, day by day in PVE like a bot/zombie.

What does this word salad mean?

To answer your question OP, no they don’t use that single point of data for balance changes.

They look at season performances of different classes, sPvP data they gather, raiding and dungeon data to help them make balance decisions.
All of that made me wonder, how did warrior get buffed? crying thief

There’s so many potential candidates for shoutcasters. Both from the community and I bet Anet internally too.

PvP Devs, what do you need to get this running? Written proposal, project plan, shoutcaster volunteer list?

I think as a whole the sPVP players are willing to do their part to make this happen.

I would like to see Sigils with more functionality where they affect current skills.

ex
Sigil of Healing – Your heal skill now cleanses one condition in combat.
Sigil of Empowerment – Activating a sigil grants 1 stack of Stability (3s)

In that same train of thought we can create sigils to add a functionality on a skill category basis (physical, elite) or even specific skills.

I don’t think they should be powerfull but good enough to make a player debate it’s usage, for instance activate your sigil that doesn’t usually provide stability in order for a uninterruptable stomp. But there is risk reward if you are in a big fight because you used a CD.

Just brainstorming!

Is it possible to indicate “like a buff” when a sigil is available to proc? Both in PvE / PvP.

That takes out the randomness.

Azoqu.8917:

Altie.4571:

Seems to be some misinformation going on right now.

The shards were not reduced. They were added to the final chest which is repeatable. So you could earn more or less depending on your play.

Secondly, wouldn’t that INCREASE population, not decrease? Because you can earn more the more you play, so I would expect more people to play longer during the season?

It decreases because in order to get the 1200 shards you got last seasons you have to repeat the final chest 18 times. That is way more games than any casual player will ever want to attempt. Even people who play 300 games in a season will get (assuming 50% win rate and always getting top score and close games) 2400 pips which is only 10 boxes I believe.

Dev noted that they may increase pip rewards for top stats, so it may be higher. But I see your logic. If this was the approach done last season, I don’t think we end up with crafting for PvP ascendeds, but there was 1200 practically free shards out in the economy and they overreacted to snap back the value.

I still believe the new approach is correct, may be modified easily through pip rewards and requires some input from player. Not a fan of the crafting though but what can you do.

So a dual longbow with the animation of the character head banging each time they shoot a bow?

I can imagine rapid fire right now with dual longbows on a ranger!
Thanks for the image Ben, it cannot be unseen….

Evan Lesh.3295:

We also think automated tournaments would be neat. For viewership, we would have to re-implement the authorized shoutcaster program to allow certain people to stream the tournaments.

Whatever happened to that “forum mvp” thing. If we can use the same system to identify people willing/able to be part of the shoutcaster program wouldn’t that solve most of your problems in getting the content out to users? And just make it a rotational thing where they need to enroll each year to be the authorized shoutcasters.

Not sure if it breaks some rule about earning from gw2 through twitch streams/subs but that wouldn’t be a bad thing. You get to promote the game, the shoutcasters earn some money and the users enjoy the content.

slumberlust.9105:

Discovered they screwed us over today, was disappointed and just gave up. Time to find a new game, this is an appalling change.

I would love to hear how they screwed you over?

Seems to be some misinformation going on right now.

The shards were not reduced. They were added to the final chest which is repeatable. So you could earn more or less depending on your play.

Secondly, wouldn’t that INCREASE population, not decrease? Because you can earn more the more you play, so I would expect more people to play longer during the season?

if one of you set on war, I think druid/engi is probably the way to go for a supplement class.

I don’t think your post was pointless.

And yes Tournament of Groucharoo was great, even I watched it and I am not a big “watch pvp tournaments” person. So anything to promote those activities would be welcome. Whether in between seasons or at start to “build hype for the new season” would be great.

I hope to see more of them. Sindrener get some done on the NA side!!!!

What do I expect?

As a lonely solo q guy, hell. Yeah that’s what I expect.

I should probably get back to practicing my Mesmer again. Since Thief was nerfed mes will become the top playmaker imo.

clemaster.6408:

the problem of the warrior is it’s a class easy to play, so against trash player u will win all 1v1, but against decent player war is just correct no need nerf and no need up. war is just a good class for 1v1 and a bad class for tf.

war condi beats ranger/necro/rev
war condi can’t beat a good scrapper/mesmer/guard

war power beat scrapper/mesmer/necro
war power can’t beat a good ranger/guard/rev
and a war power just insta die if he is +1 by a thief or a class with high dps

I like how the only way thief is mentioned is when it’s +1.

At least if we bring a pet friend we have a chance as thief!!!

ive gotten several, and I vote for it each time because its so rare.

no, it’s unranked. If you are mad about that then do a hotjoin.

People should not be punished for playing with others. Until Anet brings back team queue as an option, they should be able to queue in unranked.

Coming from someone who only solo Queues!

Azoqu.8917:

Rod.6581:

There you go again making stuff up.

Never in this post was matchmaking system discussed. Is it solo+duo separate from quintet or is it duo, trio+quintet, or solo+duo+quintet all together?

Pretty sure:

we need five man teams in ranked games

Implies adding it to matchmaking.

No it doesn’t! You’re really stretching to counter an argument he isn’t making.

The OP clearly asked for a 5v5 OPTION. Anyone have an issue with that? Why?

As someone who only queue’s solo, I find it a great idea. It should be back and available for teams to battle it out who’s best!

umm as a thief I can tell you that not dying stat would be easily abused.

Unless I let myself die, I would never die as a thief. And it in essence would take away incentive to get in a fight for all roamer classes.

I see what you did there… also I hate you!

NO

/char limit

Evan Lesh.3295:

Top stats already give pips. Unless people want MORE pips?

They provide +1, which is really small comp. It should be +1 per stat gained.

But since I play thief and we often don’t get top stats due to our role, stats should be expanded. Instead of offense: split into cap and decap offense (that type of stuff).

But yes, more reward for more effort, everyone wins.