Guild Wars 2

You can skip the barriers, the way we did it. That new railing Anet added is just hilarious. We used it as a staircase to make it even easier to skip than it was pre-update.

You can see that it’s the newest version of the dredge cart because I ran in and out of it while looking for an LH. There were 5 secs during that part where I was running around like an idiot looking for it. TS during that part was: “Where’s the hammer?” “It’s there!” “Where?” “THERE!” /facepalm

Our consumables and food running out was fail. Zoii and me dying during the run to the second boss was also fail (Dormin saved me with Warbanner, but still fail). We could get it down to the 4:24 [Vs] had in the Unrestricted if we hadn’t messed up so much.

I’m pretty sure the group comp we used for that was optimal. Guard for rotating reflects at the new dredge cart is vital; 2 Ele’s for 4x FGS for first and last boss is important. We could replace the thief with something, I guess. Maybe another ele or a ranger.

Ele PoV [Ani]: youtube.com/watch?v=2WGNztNWcwk
Guard PoV [Saint]: Coming soon.

This was made yesterday, post-patch.

Treks are unlocked. We’ll have rushes in 2-3 weeks.

As of March 16, the roster is at 60 members.

We are now keeping almost every temporary upgrade (MF/exp/karma/influence/etc.) up permanently on BG.

We just did HotW p1 with a group comp of 2 ele/1 war/1 thief/1 guard. We might-stacked and dropped 4x FGS on top of the house before jumping down, the warrior feared the troll into the wall, the guardian gave us stability with SYG so we were immune to the Troll’s CC, and we Fiery Rushed him dead in 2 secs.

yeah. That was so ****** annoying. Due to the dredge car change, we’ve had to change our group comp for SE p3 from 2 ele/1 war/1 thief/1 mes to 2 ele/1 war/1 thief/1 guard.

For the first boss, we have the warrior fear one of the adds and the boss into the niche in the wall behind the boss. Fear Me also causes the 3rd add to run off at a right angle, and when the fear wears off, he conveniently runs back into our stack.

For the dredge car, we run into the center of the room and might-stack while the car appears (it takes no dmg until it has fully spawned, so we have 3-4 secs before then). Guard rotates WoR, SotA, and Sanctuary. The 2 ele’s and the thief use FGS 5, then blink-rush the car. Both ele’s then use frost bows. Staff ele then does his staff thing, and scepter ele uses LH. Thief keeps his FGS this whole time, since he can blink-rush 4 times.

When the car was nearly dead, it did this tunneling-animation-thing, where it became untargettable and disappeared for 4-5 secs. We killed it when it came back up, but those 4-5 secs where we couldn’t kill it were incredibly annoying, and we almost wiped. Did it only do that tunneling-thing because we were a little too slow in killing it, or does it do that in response to something (maybe getting below a certain health-threshold or our AoE killing the adds that spawn)?

Tree.3916:

I’m not making it up. I can tell you exactly who 3 of the 5 people in the group were but I have no idea about the other 2. One had your tag and one didn’t. Honestly though calling people out isn’t cool, since everybody wipes every now and again and there is no need to name names when the point I tried to convey was conveyed.

PM me the names plz, and the link. I didn’t realize a vid existed until you mentioned it now. I didn’t realize a 4x FGS stack had failed or even could fail, unless the pull was bad. Bad pulls happen every once in a while – usually it’s when the boss aggro’s an NPC instead of the puller.

EDIT: this could all be academic. Diplomatic Dictators also has the [DD] tag, so it might not have been us. They’re a PvX guild on Kaineng.

Bump

I only started pulling Ghost Eater to the south-west trap and FGS’ing him behind the pillar in the last 3 weeks. Before that I was LH’ing without the pillar. And I personally was traveling from March 1 to 9, unable to login. Whichever livestream you’re talking about couldn’t possibly have been of me, in [DD], in Group A – maybe another group from [DD], or from when I was in [IX]. Or maybe when I was trialing 2 new guys. We’ve had some bad trials recently. Like 50% pass rate >.<

Only saw this thread cause Colesy linked it elsewhere.

@ OP: It’s your responsibility to do your own research before actually doing dungeons. The resources are out there: meta guides, speedrun videos, a mentor guild. Read those guides to get yourself in the right spec. Watch those vids so you know what to do. Finally, contact a meta mentor for some practice (but we expect you to have already read the guides and watched the vids. At least, I expect you to have).

It’s not our job to carry you through a dungeon because you were too lazy/stupid to do your own research beforehand. Some great players I know only recently bought the game, they did their homework before stepping foot into dungeons, and they speedrun things with their sub-1k AP better than most 10k+ AP players.

If you have trouble lvl’ing a toon up, find someone who can lend you gold to craft to 80. If you have trouble getting into the meta spec because you can’t afford zerk, find someone who can lend you gold to buy it. I’ve lent hundreds of gold to friends for lvl’ing and gear, and within a week they’re speedrunning dungeons for gold to pay me back. But that’s all the outside help you need – just some gold on a short-term loan to get started. After that, it’s up to you to get into meta, learn the dungeons, and start speedclearing for cash.

I mean, assuming they do know not to target (I thought everyone knew that these days? Haven’t seen a pug in months who didn’t know how to Fiery Rush correctly, but maybe that’s just cause I don’t pug a lot). Never tested it, but I’m betting that even if we all wore PVT/Clerics, 4x FGS would still kill him =/

I can’t imagine anyone not killing something with 4x FGS. I’ve seen wipes with only 2x FGS, but never with 4×.

I usually do the pull. it takes 4-5 seconds, then a 1-2 sec kill. everyone else stacks behind the pillar, I stand just outside the pillar and hit him with the green beam, i stand outside the stack for a sec so he does his aoe away from us, I walk into the stack behind the pillar, I might stack and drop fgs, the boss walks into the wall (ive never seen him not pull correctly), we fiery rush, he dies. like 6 secs total. better than an 8 sec kill.

ill try ranger. although ill probably have a heart attack when my pet does something stupid or I get stuck in the sword AA and die >.<

where’s arthur when you need him? =(

As far as I’m aware, there were 3 installments of Swifty’s patch notes. The first 2 are present in other threads. I saved the most recent set, before The Great Deletion (at least I think it’s the most recent set). I’ll repost it here:

Alright ladies and gents. It’s time for the spoiler alert..

LEGIT PATCH NOTES for February 18!

Living story

• Terror is afoot! Scarlet has lost her kitten and now Lion’s arch is in peril!
• Added +150% load times to Lion’s arch. Loading times into this region will now take a minimum of 15 minutes to allow for load time equality for those with slow computer systems.
• Placed a new scroll in the gem store at the price of 1800 gems. This scroll will teleport the user to a completely blank space with nothing in it except for Trading post, Mystic forge, General merchant, crafting stations, personal bank/guild bank, repair vendor and laurel vendor. Load times to reach this destination are under 1 second from any location upon use of this scroll.
• The Lion’s arch lion statue has now morphed into the giant dragon Primord..er Mordremoth. Modremoth bears the exact same resemblance to Tequatl however, beware! There are some leaf particle effects around his shoulders because he is a jungle dragon!
• Mordremoth summons 50 same model jungle wurms, each with a billion HP. For each apothecary axe ranger in the map, the event scales the hitpoint pool of the wurms up by 200%.
• Updated the overflow queuing system. Those with healing and support builds will take priority for ques into the main map. For each Lion’s arch map that the event is to partake, it will not trigger until at least 90% of the player population consists of bearbows and cleric’s guardians. This is to promote fair play as we all know it can take many weeks for people to learn how to swap gear sets and press more than their auto-attack.
• Upon the defeat of Modremoth, the players are teleported to an instance on the Tarnished Coast server in Divinity’s reach. Here the real challenge begins as they must not only sit and watch Kasmeer and ’Jory speak suggestively to one another, but must endure the erotic roleplaying that ensues in the mapchat for the next 30 minutes.
• Completion of this meta event rewards a gigantic dragon armor chest. This reward chest has the 0.5% chance of dropping a super unique skinned ascended apothecary stat Armor piece. This armor set is designed to reflect the extreme contempt that we hold our playerbase in and is based off the Sun God armor thread.

We didn’t even use reflects this last run, Saint. Just 4x Fiery Rush, then dead. You could be right about replacing the guard with a ranger.

Great job. We ought to start compiling a list of this stuff. We have….: All is Vain, The DPS Trinity, Dungeon ABC’s, and Swifty’s Patch Notes. Any other artwork for the hall of fame? I don’t think jokes like MindBrain are worthy though. Maybe Lilith’s Ogden story? That was good.

maxinion.8396:

Tldr: FGS without a wall is kitten dps. Use hammer.

No. Summon FGS for the thief (he can blink rush 3 times), use 5 with your own FGS, then summon ice bow, use 4, then summon hammer.

Update on Upgrades:

Permanent Upgrades:
Politics: VI
Art of War: VI
Economy: VI
Architecture: VI

We’ve upgraded everything possible via influence. The only things we’re missing are rushes/treks/challenges/puzzles, all of which necessitate Guild Merits from doing bounties. We’re working on those now.

I’m back from traveling, and we are now recruiting again. The list of players that need to be trialed grew pretty long in my absence though, so I will be busy with that for the next week. Contact me sooner rather than later so I can try to schedule a trial tour.

I remember reading the original over a month ago. it read differently than this. it was better, more poetic. and im pretty sure fenrir’s not the one who wrote that original. nobody saved it? I remember somebody had copied it into his sig.

the elite pve guilds on NA are: DnT, LOD, DD, Only, and IX. Those are your options. if you dont join one of those, you’re left with PvX guilds where I guarantee guild dungeons and fractals will take far longer.

I lead DD. we are the only elite guild which does not require 100% rep. You wont see me posting in most of these threads because I pm likely applicants instead. check your inbox.

maxinion.8396:

lol @ Purple. Now that’s a list.

yeah, lol. that is one fabulous list. Lilith, please update your initial post with it. or, even better, just copy it and any arah exploits he missed (although I think he got them all) into the second post of exploits/bugs.

I dunno if you were there or heard about it, iris (probably not, since you seem to like fracs more than dungeons with me ), but we 4x fgs blinked that destroyer for a faster kill than in that vid you linked. that’s why you need 2 eles. and even if you dont blink + fgs, it helps that 1 ele gives perma fire field with lava font and the other blasts with lh.

(not that id ever use fgs there again, since using it there meant ee didnt have it for alpha’s final appearance.)

Tree.3916:

What class(s) do you play/main?

adding onto Tree’s post, class matters a LOT. Each dungeon path has an optimal group composition in regard to classes and builds. for example, a mesmer is used in the meta comp for cof 1/2 and se 3, but not in ac. so if you only have a mesmer, I as a meta mentor can only teach you some dungeon paths, but not others.

if you are an ele/war/thief, I can teach you how to speedrun every one of the 17 paths I do daily with my guild. if you are a mes/guard/ranger, I can teach you some paths, but not others.

if you are a necro/engi, all us meta mentors can really do is give you traits and weps for the meta, but not actually show you how to use your class in dungeon speed runs. not because we dont know what a necro/engi needs to do in dungeons (ive played them, I know how to use them in each path), but because those classes are not used in the meta comp for any dungeon, so the group would be better off if you just relogged another class.

because there are optimal group comps for each dungeon, guildies in our nightly speedruns relog different classes very frequently. so I strongly recommend that all [Noob] students who contact me about coming along for a tour have multiple useful classes in meta that they can relog to, or at the very least, a single meta ele/war/thief.

FGS means engi is also useless for vuln stacking. if you’re talking about “if FGS gets changed, will engi be useful again,” I’m not going to answer that. Anet has said multiple times that FGS is working as intended. if they do give in to the casuals and change it, Anet will also have banned dodging and deleted zerk gear, so ill be playing Wildstar instead.

Advent Leader.1083:

Edit 2: Given changes in FGS rush code , would it make engineers much more valuable in boon stacking, or not?

“boon stacking” consists of might and fury stacking, since those are the only 2 which matter (besides aegis, but neither ele nor engi can give that). and ele is better at stacking both those. so engi is still useless. both engi and necro have gone the way of the dinosaurs.

Necros have never been needed in dungeons. Ever since the removal of the internal CD on Sundering Strikes, Engis have gone the way of the Necros. The big thing Engis can do is maintain perma 25 vuln on bosses. But now, with a 30/30/0/0/10 thief and an Ele with 25 in Air, you can maintain 80-90% uptime on 25 vuln on bosses (depending on how many points the Ele goes into Fire for condi duration) , just by alternating Fiery Rushes. So 1 thief + 1 ele in the group makes an Engi obsolete. Same with 2 eles and no thief.

Wharrgarbl.9263:

We got a ranger (875 AP) that blindly copied a build and doesnt know what to do, but does as told and wears full zerk + ranger runes, sword/wh and has frost spirit and spotter, using sword+wh.

So, the BEST RANGER EVER ive seen on a pug has 875 ap!

Zoii only had 900 AP, and that was one of the best Ele trials Ive done. Low AP players performing well must be the new trend. I sure hope so.

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Btw is there an actual unicorn build? Please say yes.

Sorry to dissapoint, but I’m 90% sure he made that up just to troll me. lol

Wharrgarbl.9263:

Dont remind me of that CM. It’s quite painful when I tell someone not to do something 3 times and he does it anyway everytime. Anyway, I forgive you, Alex – I assume you were, once again, under the influence of … something, and thus not responsible for your actions.

On another note, your sig… You know how much Id freak out if you actually played any of those builds, but others might not realize you’re joking. So please change it, or at least link it to this post so the joke is more apparent.

From our recruitment page:

Anierna.6918:

Our group comp is usually: 1 War (30/0/0/20/20, a/m + horn or GS), 1 Thief (30/30/0/0/10, d/d + sw/p), 1 staff Ele (30/20/10/10/0), 1 LH Ele (10/25/10/25/0, s/x), and 1 other. Depending on the dungeon, that “other” is one of the following: Guard (20/25/0/0/25, sw/f + GS), Mes (10/30/0/20/10, sw/f + OH sw), or Ranger (30/25/0/15/0, sw/horn, feline pet). Applicants must trial with one of these classes/builds; that means no Necros or Engis.

LH ele + Rush = 25 vuln. Thief + Rush =25 vuln. Staggering their Rushes = 80% uptime on 25 vuln (near-perma if the staff ele goes 25 in Air, due to the condi duration from 30 fire). Although, all that matters is that the first Rushes from those 2 will cause 25 vuln for 8 secs on bosses, since by the time the vuln would wear off at the 8 sec mark, everything is already dead.

The vuln from the LH ele and thief means the War can go 30/0/0/20/20 instead of 30/10/0/20/10, which is what Nike advocated in his vid. Nike was wrong; not mentioning that Guang’s build was better when vuln is already capped was a significant oversight (perhaps made intentionally? I dont particularly like Guang either, but I would have given him credit, and I wouldnt have taken the shot at him that Nike did in his vid).

The thief is there instead of a 3rd Ele because stealth makes so many things easier, and the DPS loss is minimal. Plus, seeing that 6th FGS unused on the ground would just really annoy me.

One Ele is staff to provide Fire fields for the LH Ele. Perma 25 might.

The ranger is there for Spotter and Frost Spirit.

I saw this at the top of the dungeon forum and I thought to myself…

“In a last ditch effort to avert the tide of logic, the casuals began to necro illogical threads! ‘Go go shout heals! AH 4ever!’ Whatever will our elitist heroes do?”

Enaretos.8079:

As I had announced, here comes the “fleuron” of French Fashion

Gahd, my eyes! Too many conflicting colors! Too little color coordination!

Lilith, SAVE ME!

OP, please look up proper useages of the exclamation point. Thanks.

I chose Meta Mentor because I dont want to deal with bearbows and staff guards. If I see them, all I can say is “go learn the meta” then give them a link.

I say keep this checklist so players can be righteously indignant at seeing such a long list of outstanding bugs. We can all think to ourselves “they’re doing what instead of fixing these bugs? Releasing more Living Story kitten?”

Hey, I’ve got an idea! How about a LS release entitled “Scarlet fixes Arah!” Now THAT would be diabolical.

Plus, those “experienced run” groups are usually home to multiple filthy casuals with bad builds wearing bad gear. Us Meta Mentors in [Noob] really do play the meta, and almost assuredly have more experience with speedruns than the “experienced only” pugs.

there’s a bug I forgot to include earlier. and this one really, really, really annoys me. it happened to us 3 times in a row last week.

if you kill the last boss in AC p3 too quickly (we do it by pulling him around behind/inside the pillar then 4x FGS him), you dont get end credit for the dungeon. the daily chest with the 1.5g appears, but the cutscene and the “Dungeon Complete!” message with the 26s and the 20 tokens never happens. we waited 10 mins at the end just in case it was delayed, but nope – it was definitely bugged. the fact it happened to us 3 times in a row shows its not just a freak accident – its definitely a programming error.

There are 2 waypoints in CoE that appear only upon completing the instance, rather than killing the relavent bosses.

The crystal bug in CoE where a player gets crystalized by Subject Alpha, his team breaks the crystal, but the player remains paralyzed for 30 secs or more anyway.

The many exploits in Arah. Teleporting underwater. Becoming phase-shifted when not supposed to (“god mode”). Skipping Lupi. Etc.

NPC’s bugging. NPC’s aggroing enemies when they’re not supposed to. NPC’s not following the right player. NPC’s being stupid in general.

Iris Ng.9845:

I haven’t run dungeons much lately. Any invites?

Stop running fracs at reset when we start tours, and you’d be doing more dungeons…

Great quote from Sneeky about a week ago: “Iris? Who’s she?” lol

Update on Upgrades:

Permanent Upgrades:
Politics: V
Art of War: VI
Economy: VI
Architecture: V

We are currently at just over 50 members.

I will be traveling from March 1 to March 9, and unable to login during this time. Recruiting will be put on hold until I am back on March 10. I will still be checking the forum though, so applicants should contact me via forum PM.

Saint, Clumsy, we don’t pug anymore. I haven’t had to in about a month. So this is all academic. Just saying.

haviz.1340:

What would stop them from dodging your cc?

Obviously, wishful thinking would.

correct me if im wrong (ive never played on EU so chances of that are high), but over there rT and SC are the only games in town, if youre looking for English-speaking speed-run dungeon guilds. over here on NA though, I know of 7 guilds that speedrun dungeons, and 4 of them are on BG. so by transferring to NA (and BG in particular), you have more options. There are more elite pve guilds, and id make an educated guess that there are more meta players here as well.

I dunno much about EU. Maybe [SC]? I’m guessing Jerem’s the one to ask.

Your “not gonna transfer servers” restriction is what really limits your options. I’d consider transferring to NA, to BG in particular. It went from “Full” to “Very High” for like half an hour yesterday, and a bunch of ppl I know transferred then. I’d keep an eye on BG population, and as soon as it goes down to “Very High,” transfer ASAP. There are a bunch of choices on BG (DnT, DD, Only), and on NA in general (LOD).

Hmm……. So what exactly does “fun, casual setting” mean? I would guess it means “any lvl, any class, any gear, any trait setup welcome.” Which means dungeons will take forever.

I doubt you’ll find much of a response in this sub-forum. Most of us regulars play the meta and speed-run everything.

Tree.3916:

Wow, I’m surprised no moderators have deleted this yet. 7 hours… mods are slipping.

The fact it hasn’t been deleted obviously means it’s intended…. right?

Link’s in my sig. Be sure to fulfill the pre-req’s before contacting me.

I posted a breakdown of how much gold I make per 4-hour dungeon tour each night in another thread, here:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/How-fast-is-too-fast-for-Anet/first#post3640332

tl;dr: I make 50-60g per 4-hour dungeon tour.

only at maw for the field so the ele can lifedrain. and aoe’ing mobs at fire shaman. other than that, no need for necros in fracs

ik. It’s terrible. I’m gonna craft a bunch of ascended blue weps tonight, and transmute Zojja stats onto them. Such a waste

Last pics for the day. My War is only partially finished, and I haven’t even started on my Guard >.<

The flower one’s not bad. I chose it for thief because the t3 cultural human top requires a longer hairstyle to cover that collar. The only other option was the new medium-length hair (the top-left selection in the hair-style kit). And Clumsy would not be happy if I stole his look. lol