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Yeah, I don’t think it’s right to assume that your server was abusing mechanics, I just can see why some people might think that (I do not). But yeah, culling needs to be fixed because it is the number 1 issue in WvW ATM to me.

Raptor.9863:

Arius.7031:

Easy buddy. Here you go again only giving credit when it boosts your own ego. Neither NSP or Maguuma are as good as SoR is right now nor as good as SoR was 2 weeks ago. NSP has lost manpower for 2 weeks straight, following the close loss to SoR, and I’m sure Maguuma has been facing an efflux during their downward spiral, too. I mean, we’ve been strattling the Outmanned buff in a couple of the maps all day and tonight.

They are far better than SoR was 4 weeks ago. That was the time I was referring to. NSP didn’t lose so much that they couldn’t compete after the SoR loss. They may have lost a little, but isn’t that a bit odd that suddenly when you lose a really good and close match, that everyone jumps ship? I don’t think that’s how it happened. We still won prime time for the most part. We improved, you may not like it, but it’s a fact.

I do wish you guys luck when you inevitably move up in tiers because it’s clear that NSP is going in the other direction right now (unless we get some major influx soon), but this whole patting yourself on the back thing for how far you think you’ve come or whatever is getting a bit ridiculous don’t you think?

It would be patting myself on the back if I were doing it for no reason. I only mentioned any of that because someone said we weren’t playing well essentially. I took the time to remind them that we’ve come a long way from what we were. We’re a transformed server, ask anyone from Dh, it’s a different server in WvW than it was 4 weeks ago.

Just because you or the people on your server that you know weren’t that familiar with WvW a couple weeks ago, doesn’t mean that you learning how to WvW has affected the overall outcome of your matchups very much. I mean, DH has had threads recruiting Asian and Oceanic guilds on Guru and other forums and then you also got an influx of WvW support from our server this week.

And this is why people who aren’t from Dh shouldn’t comment on Dh. Our night time improved long before the massive influx of night time players we got. We were dominating SoR and SF with like 50 people. Our tactics and such did improve a massive amount, and it did help a massive amount. Again, unless you were on our server and saw how truly horrible we used to be, you’re not in a position to comment on how far we’ve come.

Ok I get your point about people not from DH commenting on it. What I don’t get is what makes you a subject matter expert on NSP? I suggest taking your own advice and not making claims about how many players we have lost.

Feel free to correct it, I think the logic behind it speaks for itself. Why would there be a sudden mass exodus over a very close loss? But like I said, if I’m wrong, correct me.

Well the same goes for my post. Some from your server were taking the moral high ground, many have accused us of abusing in game mechanics and I was responding to them. I agree the argument you were referring to falls flat, but what about what I wrote?

I don’t recall specifically addressing your post, but I’ll go back and read it real quick to see what I think. I found multiple posts so I read one and I find that I agree with you for the most part but, there is a difference between causing the culling issue unintentionally Vs. abusing it intentionally. The example you gave about people jumping off the wall is what I’m addressing. If tons of people lined up on a wall and their leader said “jump off, because there is so many of us they won’t be able to spot us due to culling issues” then it seems perfectly plausible to say that’s cheap and possibly even exploiting (I wouldn’t personally go that far).

Again, I don’t know if I agree with my fellow Darkhaven players, but I do see their point. If your server was doing this to make it harder for us to render you, then that sounds really cheap to me, though not really an exploit. For me, it’s about the intentions, not necessarily the effect. One guy already explained to me why you guys do the stacking though, so I don’t think you guys are even being cheap, it’s just something that really needs to get fixed (culling).

If you complain about this, do you also complain about AoE through gate doors? Or hiding mesmers in keeps after a failed defense? Or other various tactics every server uses in WvW. You’re coming off as insanely whiny and inexperienced and it’s annoying as all hell.

I didn’t complain about this at all, so there goes your entire post. I specifically stated I have not formed an opinion on the subject.

Please read my post in the future before replying, no offense intended.

When I hear the “all the cool kids do it” I picture a whiny child complaining about how they can’t do something idiotic that their friends are doing. But I guess I am a cynical person (I am definitely extremely odd) so I apologize if that’s not what you were implying.

It’s fine, but that sort of was what I was implying (though sort of not). I was saying that a lot of you guys were coming off that way when you’d just say “all the high tier servers do it!”. I wasn’t saying that’s what you guys meant or that you were wrong, just that saying that is not a justification any more than “all the cool kids are doing it”. Though I certainly didn’t intend it to sound whiny or any of that, it’s the idea behind it, not so much the tone, that I was thinking of.

It’s not that higher tier servers are doing it and therefore it’s okay. It’s that this is nothing new and in higher tiers culling is more obvious and rampant, stacking is common and it’s counters known, and there aren’t these cries of foul play (well there are, but not about these things). The fact of the matter is we have to play the game as it is now, hopefully soon culling will be a non-issue and legitimate tactics will no longer inspire guilt by association in the minds of some players. Also if you want to take the moral high ground a 2v1 alliance controlled by the dominant server is an “exploit of game mechanics” as Anet have stated that the 1v1v1 format is intended to help stop one team running away with the score.

This is just sad, nobody is reading my posts. I never took the moral highground, I never said what you were doing was wrong, I never said you didn’t have any justification for it. You guys are just assuming that because I’m from Darkhaven that therefore I think you guys are abusing game mechanics.

The only point I made there was that those who are just saying (and some of them were, even if that’s not the point you’re trying to make) that “it’s okay because every high tier server does it” is wrong. Now, it does not necessarily follow that therefore it’s not okay to do it, apparently I need to make that clear. But that argument that some people are using does fall flat.

Easy buddy. Here you go again only giving credit when it boosts your own ego. Neither NSP or Maguuma are as good as SoR is right now nor as good as SoR was 2 weeks ago. NSP has lost manpower for 2 weeks straight, following the close loss to SoR, and I’m sure Maguuma has been facing an efflux during their downward spiral, too. I mean, we’ve been strattling the Outmanned buff in a couple of the maps all day and tonight.

They are far better than SoR was 4 weeks ago. That was the time I was referring to. NSP didn’t lose so much that they couldn’t compete after the SoR loss. They may have lost a little, but isn’t that a bit odd that suddenly when you lose a really good and close match, that everyone jumps ship? I don’t think that’s how it happened. We still won prime time for the most part. We improved, you may not like it, but it’s a fact.

I do wish you guys luck when you inevitably move up in tiers because it’s clear that NSP is going in the other direction right now (unless we get some major influx soon), but this whole patting yourself on the back thing for how far you think you’ve come or whatever is getting a bit ridiculous don’t you think?

It would be patting myself on the back if I were doing it for no reason. I only mentioned any of that because someone said we weren’t playing well essentially. I took the time to remind them that we’ve come a long way from what we were. We’re a transformed server, ask anyone from Dh, it’s a different server in WvW than it was 4 weeks ago.

Just because you or the people on your server that you know weren’t that familiar with WvW a couple weeks ago, doesn’t mean that you learning how to WvW has affected the overall outcome of your matchups very much. I mean, DH has had threads recruiting Asian and Oceanic guilds on Guru and other forums and then you also got an influx of WvW support from our server this week.

And this is why people who aren’t from Dh shouldn’t comment on Dh. Our night time improved long before the massive influx of night time players we got. We were dominating SoR and SF with like 50 people. Our tactics and such did improve a massive amount, and it did help a massive amount. Again, unless you were on our server and saw how truly horrible we used to be, you’re not in a position to comment on how far we’ve come.

Your server is even so high in population at this time that people are having trouble switching to the server. Don’t you think it makes sense that manpower has a quite a bit to do with moving up past the ‘noob’ tiers rather than just a massive, contagious epiphany? I mean, the arguments against the culling issues and the calling for alliances and other garbage that has gone on all day is so ridiculous lol.

Total population =/= WvW population. We had a full population during our fight with SoR, and we didn’t even have a queue during prime time during certain days. But yes, man power has helped us move up, I’m not trying to hide that fact. I’m being honest and rational about how things have happened on Dh, and I’m someone who has been there to see it all. I know exactly what I’m talking about, and with respect, you do not. Our server has come a long way, through every battle we learned and improved in new ways, ask most Dh players and they’ll say the same thing. Has numbers also contributed? Yes! They may even be the biggest reason we’ve been doing better—but that doesn’t at all take away from the fact that we’ve improved a lot.

Having such a pejorative phrase used against us seems like an opinion to me. But maybe that’s just me.

Saiyr,

I’m pretty sure that is just you. Because I said that a lot of the people who were defending Maguuma’s actions were justifying it by saying all the high tier servers do it… Which is no different than saying all the cool kids do it.

That’s a fact, if it offends you, that’s extremely odd.

saiyr,

I’m sorry, when did I blame you for doing anything? A quote would be great. I merely said the excuse that “everyone else is doing it” does not work. I said specifically that I haven’t formed an opinion on whether it’s right or wrong, because Besetment was kind enough to explain how it is from your guys point of view.

Rhyis.7058:

Skapocalypse.5236

The portal hopping is fine it’s intended game mechanic but staying in one spot to avoid AOE and abusing the rendering is an abuse of game mechanics. I don’t see Northern Shiverpeaks doing this I don’t see DarkHaven doing this. In fact this is the first server I have seen doing it. Just because other servers before us were abusing it against you doesn’t mean they were any more right in abusing it then you are now. But stay classy and say whatever you want to help you sleep at night.

Every server in T1-T4 portal bombs and stacks . If you ever move up, you will see this in every single match. It’s not an exploit in any way shape or form. Every other server we’ve fought knows how to counter it (Mag does as well), too bad DH hasn’t figured it out yet… It’s not even hard.

You low tier servers are always a laugh.

Yeah, sorry for not being a high tier server. We weren’t as lucky as you, we didn’t get tons of highly organized guilds to join our server at launch. The only reason we’re even here is because we worked really hard to get organized. So laugh at us as much as you want. We’re new to the higher tiers, and we can’t help it. Oh, and by the way, I regret to inform you, if you’re from Maguuma you are now a low tier server just like the rest of us—welcome to the family.

P.S. I still haven’t formed an opinion on the subject, but the phrase “all the cool kids are doing it” is what’s coming to mind every time I hear someone (except the gentleman I was talking to earlier) describes why it’s okay for Maguuma to do what it’s doing.

Besetment.9187:

Just so you know, in Maguuma borderlands today I was in a public WvW orientation class on these tactics. Stacking and breaking stack was demonstrated outside South East Tower a few hours ago, as part of the lesson. We all went /sleep to return to spawn as one unit (just in case any Darkhaven players were confused about why we didn’t even attack the tower but mass suicided instead). We were in class and we still rolled the living daylights out of you.

Rather annoyingly, you took our West Keep whilst we were in class detailing our communication structure around about the time we were moving onto keep strategy and siege points. So we quickly rolled West Keep to allow the lesson to continue.

We don’t mind losing to people who play intelligently because at the end of the day, its a game and we like being challenged by intelligent, organized foes, whether we win or lose. Darkhaven does not have intelligent command and it is not organized. It can if enough of you show enough interest in learning how the game works and spreading the knowledge. If you ever play Fort Aspenwood, Sea of Sorrows 2.0 or anyone higher up the board with the attitudes on display in this thread, they will utterly destroy you.

You should be attempting to pass on good strategy and tactics to all your players so they are capable of it. It will take us time and effort and we will lose alot on the way, but we think we are building a really good community here by not leaving anyone behind.

You’re a little too harsh with your words. First point I’d have to make is that we beat you with even numbers quite frequently. Unless your server is virtually deserted, you should have a very large prime time showing, and we’re still beating you.

Secondly, we are trying to learn, we’re trying very, very hard. You do realize that we’ve been stuck in the bottom 3 tiers for the entire time except for this last matchup, correct? We were the kings of a small pond. Now that we’re being introduced to the ocean, obviously we’re not hip to all the cool new things that it has to offer (such as stacking). We do have to improve, we’ve got a long way to go, but we’re determined, we will improve.

We proved that we were able to adapt, first when Yak’s Bend spanked us by night capping. Some of us cried about it, others did something about it. The HNN took over our night crew. When the HNN stepped in, we dominated the entire night (and we have dominated the night for 4 weeks, except for 3 days where we were contested by SoR). Then we saw our prime time performance being very, very weak. We could not match SoR or SF. Now look at us, we’re doing very well during prime time against Maguuma and NSP — both servers who are far stronger than SF or SoR were at the time we were dominated. Next will be improving our morning showing and organization, it’s already better than it was last week.

We are improving, we will continue to improve. We will adapt, we will learn from you and we will use the tactics you taught us to get better. We may be the new guys on the block, but we’re determined. It may not always be as smooth as it has been, we might even start losing soon, but we’ll learn and adapt.

Mandena.6109:

Darkhaven is literally the best and most honorable server.

P.S. Goons are literally the worst.

Can we avoid posts like this please? And can we please stop bickering at each other? I think we can all agree, if the Maguuma players are doing this stacking thing in order to make it harder for us to render them, then it is cheap no matter how many higher tier servers do it. If they’re just doing it for organization, then it’s fair even though it has that secondary effect of making it hard for us to even see them.

Now, how about we make this thread more positive and less negative? I’m very impressed by Maguuma’s ability to break a siege—it’s not something I’ve encountered in any of the opponents I’ve played. They’ll run out in a large zerg and destroy all siege, it’s very well coordinated and organized.

Anyhow, for those saying Maguuma doesn’t have much in the way of numbers, I’ll have to respectfully disagree. I play from afternoon well into the early morning, and I see a very strong showing from Maguuma at all times. Even during the night, when I’m fighting them, they always have a zerg up somewhere on the map, and they defend capably against our assaults.

@Actium
From what I hear, stacking somehow messes with rendering, effectively making it so people hard a hard time seeing any of the enemies. I don’t know if it’s true, but that’s what I heard.

You’re getting revenge on one server that did nothing to you, on one server that had maybe 2-3 people on it who wronged you, and then bragging about it on the forums? O.o

iii.3905:

Wait a second, it’s 458pm pst and we r winning? No way, I thought dark haven only wins at night…

That’s what’s really funny HNN, for almost the entire week we would be winning by 4pm pst, if not soon after. People keep claiming we can’t go toe to toe with them during primetime…

What’s really funny is I found 4 screen shots of us beating NSP during EST prime time which is before PST prime time. I’m not bragging, but people need to stop trying to degrade Dh. From a factual standpoint, we only do poorly during the morning, from 3pm PST and on we’re very competitive in WvW when it’s equal numbers.

Bahatsu.4521:

Darkhaven. PvEing there way to victory one keeplord at a time. Naw guys its skill, really. Cant wait to wake up and fight Mag every morning/early evening.

Take out 4-6 hours where DH has no contesting and see how well they do.

We’re more than able to go toe to toe with either of your servers. Don’t disrespect your opponents, be a gracious player, win or lose.

Can we get a score update?

EBay lol? This is Dh vs NSP vs Maguuma.

Anyhow, score update:

Good luck to all those involved, let’s have a good clean match!

Mad props to Ebay, you guys just never give in.

Rashka.7304:

Arius.7031:

Ask most EB people or SoR etc who they are more worried about, a group of 10 DH or a group of 10 NSP. The answer will be clear.

Well, let me put it this way, for this entire match expect for last night, we were beating you during your prime time before our prime time.

Ask anyone from EB or SoR, would they rather face a nighttime zerg from NSP or Dh… with one zerg we were still able to SoR and lead them even though they outmanned us on three maps and had equal numbers on whatever map had the zerg.

The boring part and frustrating part of this match up is again the fact that our servers really dont get to face off that much. I know in an even match up we are better than you. Just like you think in an even match up you are better than us.

(…)

Yes, DH night zerg caused SoR trouble, and we were only a few k points behind. First week. On second week however SoR beat up the DH night zerg so hard that it dropped one spot down the ladder while SoR moved up three.

Sometimes i wonder if you really believe your own propaganda.

Whenever our night time zerg got going, we still gave you a run for your money. Remember the last night before reset? The zerg decided to have one last good run, we took most of the map from you. So yeah, I believe my “propaganda”, because it’s accurate :P. The only way our zerg was defeated was by you guys outmanning us in every zone except whatever zone the zerg was in, you guys always had similar numbers to our zerg where ever it was, and we still were fairly successful.

It’s not letting me post multiple pictures, and it’s not letting me edit my post. So I’ll just settle for one more picture + a link.

This comes from 6pm central:
https://dviw3bl0enbyw.cloudfront.net/uploads/forum_attachment/file/13864/gw036.jpg

I think all sides can agree that primetime is a great fight between each server. No server is clearly dominant, we all play well — even Ebay sometimes takes the lead!

Ask most EB people or SoR etc who they are more worried about, a group of 10 DH or a group of 10 NSP. The answer will be clear.

Well, let me put it this way, for this entire match expect for last night, we were beating you during your prime time before our prime time.

Ask anyone from EB or SoR, would they rather face a nighttime zerg from NSP or Dh… with one zerg we were still able to SoR and lead them even though they outmanned us on three maps and had equal numbers on whatever map had the zerg.

The boring part and frustrating part of this match up is again the fact that our servers really dont get to face off that much. I know in an even match up we are better than you. Just like you think in an even match up you are better than us.

Look at the score screenshots from your primetime. We usually take the lead by 5pm PST, we usually have you dominated by 8pm PST. To illustrate my point, each of my screenshots will be during your prime time, and from different days of our matchup (look at the top on my minimap). I’m not saying we’re better than NSP, I’m just saying that I think we deserve a little more credit than you’re giving us.

NSP here.
Yea we changed strategy starting wednesday that if we had done even 1 day sooner would have neted us the win. Not that its over yet, but its going to be close.
Its frustrating that DH gets so many free hours of 95-100% world cap while 2 other servers sleep. Then when its our turn to recap while DH sleeps we still have to deal with EB We dont get as many hours of free cap because (and i dont blame them) EB wakes up sees all green at this point and start taking there stuff back.
Just an unfortunate mechanic.

I have multiple problems with this quote.

1. You go virtually unchallenged during the morning/noon times, EB gets virtually nothing.

2. Your claim that you’d have won had you switched strategy is quite bold, we’ll see next week when we go up against that again. Having said that, see my screenshot below to see if it would have been so easy for you to beat Dh.

3. You guys don’t have super small night time populations (EB does somewhat). I’ve not seen a competing night time population as large as NSP’s except for SoR and maybe Yak’s Bend. We don’t PvE the map, and I’m getting really, really sick of hearing people degrade the hard work and thousands of hours spent but hundreds of people trying to keep our server competitive at night. We outnumber you and we outplay you, and we don’t outnumber you by as much as you seem to think (an Oceanic player from NSP even admitted that on page 3).

No to the trait point. We’re specifically trying to stay away from giving people huge stand advantages for grinds.

But gear that is more useful in PvP and less useful in PvE sounds decent. I’m 50/50 on it.

I do overall agree though. They do need to add rewards to WvW. Badges of Honor should at least be able to get you interesting things, different skins, titles, things like that.

Reido Kyuuten.4709:

@Arius

We’d have to average a differential of ~300 on DH for the next 20hrs (I think that’s when the matchups reset?) in order to win at this point. It’s too late. Maybe if we had started chipping away at that 40k lead a day earlier, we’d have had a realistic chance.

We had a similar (though not as bad to be honest) mountain to climb in our fight against SoR and SF. We made up enough points that we came within 1k of beating Sorrow’s Furnace. Don’t give up, more fun for everyone!

P.S. At this very moment, reset is 24 hours away. It’s 5pm PST.

Here’s a score update, NSP isn’t out of the fight yet:

Well, here are my suggestions for you:

1. Get a guild or start a guild. Make friends — even just having someone to talk to will make your experience far more enjoyable. But if you can get guildies who have the same goals in mind as you, that will make your experience so much better and long-lasting.

2. Set your sights on a particular dungeon set/combo. Look at my first screenshot, find the red mark on the map. Go there and preview all of the dungeon armors. Mix and match, find a combo you like. I ended up with the following set (picture 2) after a few weeks of (oddly enough enjoyable) grinding. So worth it to me.

3. Check out WvW, actively participate in it. As much as I don’t like free server transfers, if you’re not getting an enjoyable experience out of WvW, transfer to a different server. I know I’d not only welcome you to Darkhaven, but I’d also invite you to my very, very small guild where we could chill and do fun stuff together (seriously, if you’re interested, I’d totally do that).

4. If you can get into WvW, start learning optimum strategies — and make a name for yourself! Learn how far Trebuchets can reach, find awesome places to set them up in order to siege towers/keeps on each map. After you’ve done these, starting pursuing the Commander title, so you can play a huge role in your server’s WvW. This may not make you look cooler, but all the newer players (and most of the pros) will start following what you say. If you learned good strategies, you could then really make a difference. WvW alone could provide you with loads of fun.

5. Do the obvious, max all crafting professions, do 100% map completion, do each dungeon story and all paths 1 time, do all of the jumping puzzles. Experience what this game has to offer.

6. After all of this, you should have a great deal of money and resources. Start putting those towards a Legendary. Legendaries don’t just look cool, they give effects to your skills and your character (e.g. auras around your character, things like that). You will really stand out, and look really awesome if you can get one of these.

That’s how I’ve kept myself playing and entertained.

Felix.3467:

Let me just clarify: once again we aren’t looking for a fotw server, I already know which ones those are and that is why I am asking for input on varying servers to get an idea of what things are like elsewhere. It is absolutely no fun at all to play on a dying server, nor do I expect people to come back (or that I can make them come back single-handedly).

We are a small group who just want to enjoy the content with a fair population for both the wvw and the pve aspects -without- looking toward instant wins for total domination (that’s no fun).

I’ve seen some good info here and there; I will definitely check out darkhaven to see what is happening there. I’ve also heard good things about Sea of Sorrows since it has a large oceanic population which would cater very well to our odd play hours.

In any case, I’m still looking for more information—but please don’t assume we intend to flock to an already overcrowded server based on wvw domination! That is definitely not what we’re looking for. We’re out for competition. Afterall, what is the point if you sweep the maps and have no one left to fight?

(Additionally: we are trying to find a good place to settle -before- Anet addresses these transfer issues so we don’t get locked onto a server that no one will pay to transfer to!)

Darkhaven is actually in fairly competitive matches. While in this current bracket we’re almost certainly going to win, there’s still good battles to be had. Not to mention, thanks to this win, we’ll be moving up a bracket!

Also, Darkhaven has a very large night time population. A lot of it is oceanic, but a lot of it is also night owls from NA. I’d say, we have the same population during the day as most servers, but a much higher night time population than most. Ask any of our opponents in WvW what they think, you’ll hear the same XD.

If you want to know more, consult this thread (feel free to mention I sent you): https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Dark-Haven-Hiring-Capable-Guilds-9am-3pm-pst/first#post460408

Edit: Here’s a pic of our current matchup (may be buggy, as of late when I upload pictures it has been messed up):

Darkhaven sounds about right for you guys. We have a very large population.

PvE
We have a very large PvE community, seriously, it’s huge.

WvW
We only have queues for WvW during prime time and night time (we’re western server). We have a dominant night time presence, but we’re looking to improve our morning/day time presence. If your guild wants to come, no matter what time you play (except perhaps early in the morning) you’ll find that there is a respectable amount of Dh people playing at any given time. We have amazing commanders (seriously, the Half Naked Norn for example, has become famous beyond just our server), and an alliance of most Darkhaven WvW guilds that are constantly improving our organization.

So yeah, I’d recommend Darkhaven for you guys! If you have any questions feel free to ask.

fellyn.5083:

I would go out on a limb and say most of darkhaven is on the west coast moreso than the east coast.

I would have to agree, we are a west coast server after all. I think that’s the problem a lot of people are having — we’re essentially 3 hours behind east coasters, they go to sleep 2-3 hours before we do.

etsmith.9025:

@ commander cougs .. the only reason that map is blue is your transfers. you got more people playing when other servers aren’t That is the power of rall . that is the power of zerg. enjoy … at some point the tables will turn.

These sorts of posts just irk me. We at Darkhaven are having to deal with this too, and since I’m getting really tired of it, I figure I may as well try to eradicate it wherever I see it.

If your server is outnumbered in WvW, it’s your server’s fault. If you can’t field an army to equal theirs, you can’t blame them for being able to do what you cannot. It’s not your opponent’s fault that they have more population than you do — having more people is a significant part of warfare. Besides, I highly doubt the only reason SoR is winning because of numbers. They outnumbered us in week two of our fights, so I get where you’re coming from, but they also outplayed us. There is two sides to it, a server outnumbering you does not mean they’re not also outplaying you.

And to SoR players, I’m hopeful we’ll get our match within 2 weeks. I don’t know if we’re ready yet, but we’re trying our hardest to improve in order to give you guys a run for your money.

P.S. Can I get a score update? I’m trying to keep track of how much you guys win by to compare it to our score.

Fizzlepip.5218:

DH here. I have to say, I’m both disappointed and satisfied with how this is going so far. Obviously we’ve moved up in the rankings from our nightcapping (there aren’t as many as people are led to believe, tho, having played late-nite a couple times with them myself) going against non-nightcapping servers. But we haven’t yet found the cohesion and organization that I see in NS in their daytime play.

Can’t say how often I wish everybody’s playtimes synced so we could all duke it out together instead of alternating cap times when each server is more populated than the others. That’s just how it goes I guess.

Also, as of now I’ve had no complaints about either EBay or NS. We don’t run into two servers every matchup that play hard and fight fair and are learning the ropes as we are. Hope to see more of you guys!

I don’t know man, for this entire matchup Darkhaven has led during eastern time’s prime time, and today we’ve been ahead for a while (we lost that lead). I think the issue is not cohesion or organization, it seems we’re simply undermanned during those hours. Not that NSP doesn’t deserve to win during those hours — I’m merely pointing out that I think organization is not the key problem we have during the morning/afternoon.

Here’s a score update:

Edit: Thing is being a little wonky, uploaded the wrong picture and now won’t upload the right one. Hope it starts working >.>

Exedore.6320:

Don’t immediately hold an entire server accountable for orb theft. If you saw who it was, report them (which gives you id.tag), and if they’re guilded, talk to their guild leader about it. If the guild leader is honest, they will at least kick the person.

Agreed. Short of trading the keep away, which is very hard to organize, there’s nothing they can do. However, if a leader of theirs is willing to make the effort, a Dh commander might be willing to as well.

diabluz.2860:

Arius.7031:

diabluz,

Our server does have a healthy Aussie population, but a lot of our night time strength comes from night time playing North Americans. We’re lacking in population during the morning through the afternoon, this is due to people being at work, and people staying up late to participate in the night time game.

You’ll notice though, against NSP, when prime time kicks in we immediately start gaining ground and by the end of prime time we usually own 3/4 if not more of the map. The problem is basically:

1. A healthy percentage of our population is overseas (they play at night but sleep through our morning/noon).
2. A healthy percentage of our population is NA people who stay up late to participate in the night game (which is a blast).
3. A lot of our fellows are at work and the like during the day.

Any of these 3 factors alone wouldn’t do too much to our server during the morning/noon periods, but throw them together and you’ve got a very unhealthy population during the morning period. If we can fix that one issue, our server will become a very, very hard server to beat (I’d imagine).

I’m trying to figure out the why a large portion of our population is overseas if that is the case. I was under the impression this was a North American server and that is why I selected it. I really don’t want to play on a heavy overseas pop server. I’m not sure why anyone in NA would want to.

Most of us I would think would prefer to be on a server that is populated at those times we’re on. How did we end up with so many overseas people if it’s an NA server?

As my post said, a lot of our night time population is NA, not Aussie. In reality, our server has a very, very large day-time population — they’re just off PvEing. It’s not an Aussie server, we are primarily west coast, with a healthy amount of oversea (Aussie and Thailand IIRC) population.

morrolan.9608:

Arius.7031:

Look at it from this standpoint, SoR is completely dominating the tier above us, virtually non-stop. We dominated them (complete and total domination) at night time.

SOR is a different server this week due to guild transfers.

We’ve only gotten stronger since 2 weeks ago, not only have we gained much in the way of population, we’re far more organized. The point still stands, Darkhaven’s night time organization is very strong.

What Ralathar is saying is partially correct. We have serious cohesion issues with coordination on Darkhaven. It can be extremely frustrating at times. We would do MUCH better if we had better cohesion and organization.

All it’s going to take is for us to face a sizable force that has good strategy and we will be screwed.

I’m going to have to disagree here. Our night time force has massive numbers, incredible commanders (Yaska, HNN…), and a huge amount of experience with blitzkrieg. I can agree that there’s always room for improvement, but I think it’s going to take a server with superb night time numbers and organization in order to counter Dh’s night crew. I’ve been with them about a dozen times, I don’t think it’s as bad as you’re phrasing it.

Also, the night crew he is talking about is the 9pm crew, the night capping usually doesn’t really begin til 12pm.

Ralathar.7236:

Just got repulsed on Ogres by Darkhaven after repelling a keep siege in EB against far superior numbers. On ogres we got the gate down and were fighting 1:1 inside and winning. But right before we wiped em Darkhaven swooped in behind to make it 3:1 odds.

I gotta say Dark, you’re going to need to get better if you are going up a tier. You have numbers at night but that’s it. If Ehrmy Bay can break a far superior force (with shiverpeaks harassing both till we drove em off) and then only fails a keep siege against even numbers thanks to a hardcore zerg? Well, others will tear you apart.

I can’t give yall a good overall grade. You’re day crew is smart fighters and win the big picture with the help of Shiverpeaks being not so wise. You’re night crew appears to be the base zerg level skill from what I’ve face of them to date. I admit being a bit disappointed.

I’m going to have to agree after all this time that your win is primarily based on the peak time differential and night capping. But at least you’re better than Northern Shiverpeaks. Shame I eventually ended up at this conclusion but seriously yall best prepare for tiers that actually field night crews or you’re going to get hit hard by the skill differential.

Look at it from this standpoint, SoR is completely dominating the tier above us, virtually non-stop. We dominated them (complete and total domination) at night time. We have improved vastly since then. You likely ran into an unorganized zerg or something. Run into the HNN’s zerg, trust me, completely different story.

Also, our two sides meet at peak times (we both peak at prime time, right?) We still win by quite a large amount, in fact, we start winning before our prime time, while it’s your prime time. We’ve lead at prime time consistently (which I can prove using screenshots if need be). We’re winning because our macro organization is superior, and because we have a significant night time advantage in numbers thanks to dedicated NA players.

Remember, anecdotal evidence is anecdotal. I’ve had very different experiences than you, if anything, I’ve seen incredible amounts of organization and capability on Darkhaven’s part.

Keiel.7489:

All I’m saying is I’m kind of disappointed at this match up, not because we are losing but simply because of the peak hour differences. During the day we would push and take majority of the map and at night DH would take it. I am very impressed with DH’s coordination during their night time attacks, having the large population is one thing, being able to coordinate them all is a whole other feat.

I would like to play against DH’s peak team while NSP has our peak team up too, but by night fall, our population starts to wane and it just becomes a steamroll, we don’t even have the bodies to throw at you to slow the progression in any meaningful way.

When is your peak? We’ve been fighting you at prime time every day. I think it’s less about peak, rather, it’s more about us having a stronger night time population while you have a stronger morning time population. If your peak force is on during prime time, so is ours.

diabluz,

Our server does have a healthy Aussie population, but a lot of our night time strength comes from night time playing North Americans. We’re lacking in population during the morning through the afternoon, this is due to people being at work, and people staying up late to participate in the night time game.

You’ll notice though, against NSP, when prime time kicks in we immediately start gaining ground and by the end of prime time we usually own 3/4 if not more of the map. The problem is basically:

1. A healthy percentage of our population is overseas (they play at night but sleep through our morning/noon).
2. A healthy percentage of our population is NA people who stay up late to participate in the night game (which is a blast).
3. A lot of our fellows are at work and the like during the day.

Any of these 3 factors alone wouldn’t do too much to our server during the morning/noon periods, but throw them together and you’ve got a very unhealthy population during the morning period. If we can fix that one issue, our server will become a very, very hard server to beat (I’d imagine).

Rashka.7304:

Worban.1574:

Oh don’t worry, warmonkey. We’ll chase as far as we have to reach you guys, even if it means chasing you to 1st bracket.

Vengeance is our engine. Coffee and/or booze is our regular fuel to catch up. Once we do, we’re going all nitro on ya! And may the better server win!

Yes, we can see how serious DH is about that.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Dark-Haven-Hiring-Capable-Guilds-9am-3pm-pst

Indeed we are! We recognized during this latest match that our only serious weakness is during the morning/afternoon times (8am-4pm). Once prime time hits, we start dominating NSP and by 11am-12pm it’s not uncommon for us to have the entire map.

We’re taking a page out of SoR’s book, finding our weaknesses and looking for ways to improve. Unfortunately we just don’t have even a decent morning WvW population, so it looks like HNN is trying to correct that.

@Dinks

It’s not even night capping, we had almost all of the map before 11pm… And we most certainly did not PvE the map! I was there and I fought multiple NSP zergs in your borderlands, and one in EB. You guys were present, we may have out numbered you, I’ll give you that. But you were by no means empty, there were hundreds of NSP players on at the time at least.

You’ll remember, an Australian NSP member came in here and even admitted that you guys have a night population that rivals ours (nysta). We don’t just PvE your maps, we take them fairly and with some resistance (admittedly, you don’t usually have enough people to stop us).

Additionally, you guys had 3/4 of all potential points for about 8 hours from morning to a bit in the afternoon, when we had barely anybody on. How is that any different than night capping?

Dinks.2478:

Arius,

True, your server doesn’t put up a fight in the day time. But the other two servers have to fight each other. It is in no way the same.

Wanted to address this again. We actually put up a strong fight during prime time, and we put up a decent fight at any time after noon. In fact, see the screenshot below to see how much of a fight we can put up in the day time (not bragging, just don’t want anyone to think we can only night cap).

Ralathar,

We had that happen with Yak’s Bend, so we understand what it’s like.

But I agree, there needs to be more of an incentive to attack the stronger server.

SoR has a propensity towards comebacks after being dominated. I dare say you stand a better chance at beating them if you never dominate them >.>

From Dh, we’re fighting bloody hard to get our rematch! We currently lead by about 15k over NSP and EB (both wonderful opponents), and one of our largest motivations is to have a rematch with you SoR! Let’s see if Dh can hold onto that over the week so that we can have a shot at our revenge!

@Dinks

I’m not complaining about anything — morning capping is a legit tactic. It’s Darkhaven’s fault that we can’t stop it. We recognize our failings, and instead of blaming the other servers for them, we look to better ourselves.

Here, let me phrase it like this. You don’t have many people during the night, neither does EB, Darkhaven has more, so we win. Darkhaven doesn’t have many people during the morning, neither does EB, NSP has more, so they win. Tell me how morning capping is suddenly acceptable, when night capping is not? I’m sorry, but logic (as opposed to emotional reactions) indicates that you’re just as guilty as we are.

It’s not an unfair advantage, I’m going to be blunt and phrase it in a way you’ll understand. It is 100% NSP’s fault that they do not have a strong night time presence (organization and number), their server is 100% to blame, it is a weakness that is their fault. It is not our fault that we’re stronger at night than you, it’s not unfair. We’re not numerically superior because we have billions of oceanic players, and we’ve had this advantage for weeks — it has nothing to do with transfers. We have it because we have players willing to take advantage of your server’s failings.

I don’t like to be so blunt, but I think people need to wake up. It’s not the other server’s fault that they’re stronger than you are — they can’t bloody help it, and it’s not unfair. Do like we did, do like Sanctum of Rall did, and organize a night time force.

Edit: Would also like to add, just wait, you guys may find that during the week you’ll overpower us at night. Again, wasn’t trying to be rude, but I’m getting really tired of people complaining about the other server having advantages. One server will always have an advantage over another, whether it be numerical or organizational, it’s never going to be even and that’s the way it should be. Would it be fun if it was always 3 completely equal sides with completely equal strengths at all times? I love matches where each side brings a strength of it’s own to the table — it forces the other servers to adapt and try to get stronger in order to negate their enemy’s advantage.

Dinks.2478:

Arius,

True, your server doesn’t put up a fight in the day time. But the other two servers have to fight each other. It is in no way the same.

I said morning — not during the day time. You should keep in mind, we are very competitive during the day (we exchanged the lead with NSP a couple of times). We are not at all competitive during morning and Ehmry Bay is not really either, I’ll put another screenshot to demonstrate that.

We night cap, true, NSP morning caps, true. They both fight pretty hard during the day. It’s Darkhaven’s fault that it can’t hold its own during the morning, and it’s NSP’s fault that it can’t hold its own during the night.

Zappa.9064:

@Arius and DH players – definitely not trying to hate. When there’s the switchover and a good number of players from both sides on it’s been a great match. It just sucks to wake up to a 20K deficit is all.

I actually didn’t have you in mind when I made that post :P.

Don’t worry, Dh understands how that feels. Yak’s Bend and SoR did the same to us — so we can relate.

Exedore.6320:

Didn’t Darkhaven come back from more than 10k points behind 3 weeks ago in our first week against Sorrow’s Furnace and Sanctum of Rall? We missed first by less than 2000.

Yes, if I recall correctly we were behind by either 20k or 40k, not sure which.

For those who don’t like Dh night capping, and for those who say neither of the other two teams stand a chance… Try to keep in mind that while we night cap, you guys morning cap, because we have about 6 hours of virtually no people on.

Darkhaven has a lot of good commanders for our tier, my personal favorites are the half naked Norn and Yaska. Though I need to emphasize, we have many great leaders — there is no single person who dominates — it’s a community deal.

The Half Naked Norn and Yaska are mostly much responsible for most of what success Dh has had — though a leader is only as good as those he commands.

Score update, intense fighting going!

Radiodread.8469:

Anyone got an update?

Here you go:

Here’s mine, Arius Decimus, level 80: