Guild Wars 2

Devon.9061:

Dear, DH

Please leave my T3 WP Bay alone in your BL.

Thank you,
~Devon

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Good fights though, and great defense HoD.

Bawshie.3127:

Loved DH’s attempt at taking HOD’s Hills .. 6 golems and huge blob .. gg …. maybe next time Thanks for the bags.
Trixy Lola [MU]

Um, gratz?

Theftwind.8976:

Hey DH? Why do you all run away so fast when your golems go down? I was picking up baggies all the way from Garrison to Bay! Then I chased an Asuran warrior half way across the map and wondered why he was so afraid of one lone Asuran engineer, after all we are both Asuran. He finally stopped to fight, AFTER he caught up to his friends for help! What is the matter, do not like 1v1 fights? Too even for you?

DH…members of the Olympic sprint team…I have to laugh at those runners when I turn them into a moa with my mesmer…it suits them so well…giant chickens.

And those big burly DH hammer warriors get so angry when you turn them into chickens…. hilarious. You should really control your temper…it will get you killed as you found out.

Do you see yourself in the above?

Haha yeah, everyone knows it’s Dh that won’t do 1v1s in this matchup. Funny stuff, you’re quite the joker aren’t you? :P

Also, it’s a good thing your hammer warriors don’t get angry like ours do. Wouldn’t want 50% of your WvW population raging in chat, would we?

Devon.9061:

HoD seriously?! I was walking as a yak and you guys killed me with an invisible zerg.

Seriously, you guys are so pro!
L2P NOOBSAUCEMCMUFFINCAKES

Even HoD players hate HoD! You guys got it bad.

greyblue.4962:

Wow, AR, Dh, have you guys been recruiting the last couple days. Don’t think I’ve seen you both have 50 mans going simultaneously before now.

No lol, we just have persistent numbers throughout. We’re only slightly more populated on the weekend, we maintain very strong numbers throughout the week. We don’t have more people lol, you just got less people owning us :P.

Bad show by [fkb] and [cv] earlier, just (yet again) intentionally had a mesmer die by a gate and rez through it. Nice. We must be the only server that never/almost never does this?

plevyakin.8792:

Assassin X.8573:

Is [Dx] a transfer guild? Good guild synergy. You guys are annoying.

Nah we’re just a small guild made of 100% SEA HoDians who decided to actually fight instead of kitten around.

I assume you’re referring to the Bay fights in DH BL earlier? We take it as a compliment that you guys sent a total of 8 omegas to try oust the 9 of us.

And we only gave up eventually because it was 4am for the most of us .

Keep coming though, we had insane fun! =D

Lol, you had actually driven insane quite a bit before that. The omegas were just the last straw moment :P.

Well, for me, you play with a server daily and stick with them for a year, you can’t help but have server pride. You’ve played with, lost with, won with, felt horrible with, and felt elated with all of these people, they’re your people.

That said, I have no idea what you’re saying with (4), maybe it’s just a bronze league thing but I get into party skirmishes day in and day out.

Jereme.1840:

Arius.7031:

Jereme.1840:

AR/DH I’m here to offer a service, “Dodge Mechanics 101”.

In the lesson pack I will teach you the forward dodge roll, the reverse dodge roll, and even the pesky and most uber dodge rolls of them all!!! the left and right roll! With this lesson you will be able to survive a 1 push! Yes I guarantee you will not die on the first push using this method!

PS: Other classes are available, Like my favorite. Rangers offer nothing in WvW 101. aka roll another character.

Alright, so we’re kicking servers while they’re down eh? Nice. HoD makes more than it’s fair share of mistakes (brilliant though they may be for a bronze server).

I mean come on, I’ve never seen this type of playing in my GW2 life time. People just stand in a hammer trains path and never dodge roll. A simple double tap could save you from getting killed.

On another note, What is with all the rangers? You do realize they offer little to no support in WvW. Any other class outshines Ranger in WvW hands down. So so many rangers makes me cry

Sorry, our server doesn’t stop doing what they enjoy just to do a little bit better in WvW. We’re not all going to roll hammer warriors like HoD.

Seriously, HoD makes (frequently) some of the most rookie mistakes I’ve ever seen. You’re a bronze league server, you’re literally one of the worst servers in existence. Calling others out for making rookie mistakes is just silly. We’re trying to get better (just like you are) and don’t need people taunting us on the forums about it.

styx.7294:

@ Belle

I can’t speak for other servers but leagues was a breadth of fresh air for my server. We had some people who quit the game come back and PvE folk come in. Morale went up and stayed up since leagues started.

Though so far we’ve had 1 win, 1 super close match, and are winnin the 3rd match.. so could just be the fair weather talking.

I echo this sentiment personally.

ptitminou.6489:

Mercabre.7123:

I don’t think the points accurately display of the rank or skill of the server. I know this week HoD has put the hurt on ET and as a result DR has more points overall and yet ET is a stronger server than DR.

We put the hurt on ET in week 1 because DH had no resistence to offer, ET at least gave us fights, loot bags. DH is a total joke since they ran their good guilds off the server. They still have the night cappers though.

Dude, you have no idea what you’re talking about. HoD players will tell you that it goes back and forth between us two during the day. They usually have the lead, but then you’ll see Dh jump to 300-400 ppt. This is against HoD, currently considered the number 1 server in bronze… our day crew is no joke for our league, a joke overall yes, but strong for our league. Also, we beat ET and got second place in our matchup with you, so I have no idea what you’re even talking about.

ptitminou.6489:

styx.7294:

Mercabre.7123:

Kalorian.1935:

Here is my prediction for how the rankings will shake out, along with the week by week, match by match analysis of how I got there. It’s a tough call on who will take 1st between DH and FC this week so I basically assumed FC wins this one and DH wins the next time the two meet. I’m on Darkhaven, so I was trying to stay objective.

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ET will end up being ranked higher than Kain (personal opinion after three weeks of fighting Kain and then ET just before and during leagues). ET seems to have a larger playerbase and coordination.

Surprised to see Eredon Terrace so low, last time we fought them they were much stronger us. I would have had them in the running for top 3.

Top 3 is HoD, FC and SF. In that order unless the SF transfers make it HoD, SF & FC.
When ET faces a non top 3 team, they will get the +5.
Like in weeks 3 and 5.

Yeah, sorry, Dh is number 3 lol. We just beat FC (even if just barely), and we’re actually staying fairly close to HoD in our matchup. It’s actually the closest matchup in NA. Interesting to note, we’re relatively closer to HoD at this point than FC was by the time they lost against HoD. Not hating on FC lol, I think they’ll agree that we outnumber them significantly. Also, SF is probably higher than HoD, not in skill (definitely not in skill, SF will get shredded in even battles IMO), but by sheer number of people.

melodey.4652:

Arius.7031:

Jereme.1840:

AR/DH I’m here to offer a service, “Dodge Mechanics 101”.

In the lesson pack I will teach you the forward dodge roll, the reverse dodge roll, and even the pesky and most uber dodge rolls of them all!!! the left and right roll! With this lesson you will be able to survive a 1 push! Yes I guarantee you will not die on the first push using this method!

PS: Other classes are available, Like my favorite. Rangers offer nothing in WvW 101. aka roll another character.

Alright, so we’re kicking servers while they’re down eh? Nice. HoD makes more than it’s fair share of mistakes (brilliant though they may be for a bronze server silver league server slumming it for easy shinies).

quickfix4u <3

Thanks for that. I always miss small typos. :/

Jereme.1840:

AR/DH I’m here to offer a service, “Dodge Mechanics 101”.

In the lesson pack I will teach you the forward dodge roll, the reverse dodge roll, and even the pesky and most uber dodge rolls of them all!!! the left and right roll! With this lesson you will be able to survive a 1 push! Yes I guarantee you will not die on the first push using this method!

PS: Other classes are available, Like my favorite. Rangers offer nothing in WvW 101. aka roll another character.

Alright, so we’re kicking servers while they’re down eh? Nice. HoD makes more than it’s fair share of mistakes (brilliant though they may be for a bronze server).

Darek.1836:

FC will bounce back once we recover from trying to beat DH with 150% effort for the last day or so.. probably wont bounce back enough but it’ll be close

Lol Dh had the exact same thing happen. We were all completely exhausted after that last day of our matchup. Good stuff.

I have to say, even though HoD has a clear numbers advantage, you’re very clearly outplaying us. Seriously, I’m taking notes, good stuff. Hope it evens out a bit after the weekend.

clint.5681:

I see them all since im the one playing with them, everyone got an increase in WvW attendance thanks to the LS wvw achivies, look at GoM. But our WvW pop has been pretty consistent these past few weeks. I wont apologize for new blood being in WvW.

Coming from someone who fought you both before and after the season started… you definitely got a bigger increase than anyone else that I know of. Not saying that’s a bad thing, but it is what it is. Dh definitely outnumbered FC/GoM the majority of the time, and your zergs humbled ours. You’ve got a distinct numbers advantage (again, not a bad thing, just the truth).

Good luck all, will enjoy the fights. HoD is already stomping us, we’ll see if Dh can come back from it at all.

Good game folks, it has been a somewhat bumpy ride, but I’ve loved it. I thought we were done for like 3 hours before the finish where FC had a huge PPT lead and anet did a patch. We had been prerparing for a golem rush but the patch ate them. I would have been much more angry at anet had it proven fatal.

Regardless, very close matchup and the first 5 days were especially amazing.

Anet just really, really set Dh back. Hugely. They have messed us up twice now with these hot fix patches, and this one could cost us the match.

TeamBattleAxe.3901:

At this level of play, no one really has the numbers or the coverage to adequately defend anything other than during prime time.

I think our biggest mistake on GoM this week was not being more aggressive. Neither FC or DH could really breach anything on their own until both servers hit at the same time. At that point, we should’ve moved elsewhere and let them fight each other over the table scraps. Our offense did a top-notch job this week, as shown by our early-week lead, and counter-punching directly in response to the double-team would’ve left both FC and DH with the difficult decision to hang on to the hotly contested temporary holdings in GoM-BL or return home and stop the bleeding.

Instead, we chose to ease off the pedal and got tunnel-visioned over a strip of land that happened to be labeled GoM this week. We basically invited the double-team upon ourselves by not keeping pressure up where it counted, and that allowed FC and DH to both over-extend at minimal risk.

Bronze league will be won by offense and aggression, not defense and upgrades. There simply aren’t enough players around to play passive.

Lol if you think bronze servers can’t adequately defend their stuff when not at prime time… try a 16 golem rush in FC’s BL. They have epic defense. Epic. I think both of our servers can learn from them in that regard.

Colt.9051:

Arius.7031:

Colt.9051:

RedStar.4218:

Lord Rager.8543:

On a side note, this is the only match up in NA that first place is not decided yet and is still anyones game. Our next reset is going to be ugly with everyone staying on late to push for a W.

Good luck FC,GoM, and DH

No it’s not. It’s just between DH and FC. What’s left is for GoM to decide who to hit to make them lose points.

In my point of view as a GoM, based on recent events, ofc we wouldn’t want both teams to win at this point over the other, as most GoM see it this way;

For FC: If it weren’t for the fact that we got double teamed yesterday by two simultaneous golem rushes on our Hills and Bay, we could have stopped DH from capping our Hills and holding it and would have been in a better off position to defend ourselves, benefiting FC. If FC loses, it will partially be their fault for putting GoM in such a position where DH is getting “easy points” from us. Yeah, we see FC make multiple attempts to stop DH in our BLs, but they wouldn’t have to if they let us defend ourselves from the beginning. They should have super focused DH to prevent DH from super focusing on us again. Bad strategy.

For DH: For all the grief caused the last two days by them focusing GoM and not leaving us alone for one moment, I’m certain most of GoM is highly frustrated at your server. Most of them view you as taking the “easy way” to win the matchup to hit the weaker guy and hold it, and including me on when I say this, but that’s not a very respectable way to win a match. You barely if ever from your main zerg decided to DENY FC points by hitting them directly instead of ticking higher off the lesser server. Its called leeching.(I’m not saying this strategy isn’t valid, but it’s highly frowned upon) I hope DH will be ready for some of the hate this will ensue in the future.

Colt lol, how many times will Dh players/FC players have to tell you, we’ve repeatedly assaulted the keeps in their BL. Over, and over, and over, ninja attempts, zerg attempts, golem rushes, etc… We tried doing the exact same thing to FC that we’re doing to you now. They didn’t let us.

I’m sorry, I get that it’s frustrating to get hit so hard and lose your chances at first/second… Especially since the killing blow only occurred (in your view) because of a 2v1. But, we’ve been targeting both servers. I mean, before yesterday, how many times had GoM/FC taking our BL in full? Many times. Suddenly, when we do it but are more successful and actually try to hold it, we’re villains beating up on poor GoM.

Oh no, don’t get me wrong, I am seeing this action for myself, and as I said, your strategy is valid, but I’m mainly going off of what I hear via map chat for the BLs and LA chat for GoM anyways. Everyone’s been super frustrated, tho when I got to that point, I just roamed around and saw these things, so the above opinion isn’t really just my own. It’s easy to blame others ofc, tho our defense could be better too, as we often beat ourselves up over it later on. As for me, I’ll take any of my frustrations left roaming and hoping I don’t get ganged on repeatedly as I did last night haha.

I see lol. Well, if it helps, GoM has come a long way. Most people considered you just another DR/AR, but you were ahead in this matchup for a long time. I hope you guys don’t give up after this.

And any time you see someone hating on Dh in chat, remind them that we’re fighting HoD after reset. HoD will probably beat us to a bloody pulp lol.

Edit: Also, sorry for sounding rude in my last post. And props for at least trying to be charitable to us lol. Dh has been pretty much hated since the inception of GW2 by all of our opponents so you tend to get a bit defensive/cynical after a while lol.

Colt.9051:

RedStar.4218:

Lord Rager.8543:

On a side note, this is the only match up in NA that first place is not decided yet and is still anyones game. Our next reset is going to be ugly with everyone staying on late to push for a W.

Good luck FC,GoM, and DH

No it’s not. It’s just between DH and FC. What’s left is for GoM to decide who to hit to make them lose points.

In my point of view as a GoM, based on recent events, ofc we wouldn’t want both teams to win at this point over the other, as most GoM see it this way;

For FC: If it weren’t for the fact that we got double teamed yesterday by two simultaneous golem rushes on our Hills and Bay, we could have stopped DH from capping our Hills and holding it and would have been in a better off position to defend ourselves, benefiting FC. If FC loses, it will partially be their fault for putting GoM in such a position where DH is getting “easy points” from us. Yeah, we see FC make multiple attempts to stop DH in our BLs, but they wouldn’t have to if they let us defend ourselves from the beginning. They should have super focused DH to prevent DH from super focusing on us again. Bad strategy.

For DH: For all the grief caused the last two days by them focusing GoM and not leaving us alone for one moment, I’m certain most of GoM is highly frustrated at your server. Most of them view you as taking the “easy way” to win the matchup to hit the weaker guy and hold it, and including me on when I say this, but that’s not a very respectable way to win a match. You barely if ever from your main zerg decided to DENY FC points by hitting them directly instead of ticking higher off the lesser server. Its called leeching.(I’m not saying this strategy isn’t valid, but it’s highly frowned upon) I hope DH will be ready for some of the hate this will ensue in the future.

Colt lol, how many times will Dh players/FC players have to tell you, we’ve repeatedly assaulted the keeps in their BL. Over, and over, and over, ninja attempts, zerg attempts, golem rushes, etc… We tried doing the exact same thing to FC that we’re doing to you now. They didn’t let us. That’s the problem here, it appears like we’re just hitting the little guy… but in reality, we’re hitting the little guy and the big guy, the big guy just isn’t getting hurt like the little guy is.

I’m sorry, I get that it’s frustrating to get hit so hard and lose your chances at first/second… Especially since the killing blow only occurred (in your view) because of a 2v1. But, we’ve been targeting both servers. I mean, before yesterday, how many times had GoM/FC taking our BL in full? Many times. Suddenly, when we do it but are more successful and actually try to hold it, we’re villains beating up on poor GoM.

insanemaniac.2456:

Arius.7031:

insanemaniac.2456:

Jordy.2184:

insanemaniac.2456:

Jordy.2184:

It’s good to see you guys giving us so much love! I love it when you need to resort to ‘they are hacking’, ‘they are exploiting’. Honestly it seems that GoM and FC are better at fighting and defending on the forums than EB and their Borderlands? I hope you liked my Golems yesterday, 16 of them took the entirety of EB, and there are a few hundred more where they came from ladies.

>shrugs at exploit accusations
>uses duped golems

ok

Duped golems? I guess that is the only reasoning you could come up with :/. I mean there is no way someone would spend 80s each on them right? No one would be willing to blow 65 gold for his server right? That would just be like, to much goodness for anyone person? Because WvW is all about selfishness how foolish of me! How about less trying to figure out why we wipe the floor with you, and more time trying to better yourself?

meh, youre just a hypocrite who is perfectly willing to benefit from exploits while poo-pooing exploit use by others.

no one in their right mind would have considered 15-20 omega golem rushes before they were mass duped. but now dh does them 3 times a day (…and mostly fails lol).

You’re really criticizing someone… for using the BLTP? That’s wrong now? If they were duped, that sucks, but that’s not something anyone can help. You really shouldn’t insult a person who gives so much just to help his server, especially for such a silly reason as him using the BLTP.

really? lol. im not criticizing him for using the tp, im criticizing him for being a hypocrite. i call him a hypocrite, which he is, and thats all. its a fact. “do as i say, not as i do”.

And how is he a hypocrite? He may have had no idea that these were duped. Further, there is a distinct difference between acquiring golems in a way they were intended to be acquired (via TP) and doing thing like dying on a watergate and rezzing through it.

Colt.9051:

Ok, yesterday I was mainly speaking from frustration from what happened yesterday with DH holding our Hills and super focusing us, and thanks for not retaliating back in kind off of what I said, as I realize, yesterday that made sense what DH did to us. Today however, I’m seeing DH up to the same antics after we got simultaneously zerged by FC and DH on our Bay and Hills keeps and it looks like DH is intent to make a repeat from last night… only difference is, DH is now in 2nd, and FC is now focusing you guys at the same time, yet you continue to insist on focusing us for “easy points” while your land is getting hit by FC still has about the same PPT… That pretty much leaves u with nothing to gain this time. I fail to see the reasonings to repeat the same thing. You’re not going to win focusing GoM, unless you’re further solidifying your 2nd place spot, I can see that :P

We tried for FC BL again lol, they stopped us… again (mostly). Their stuff is just too hard for us to take/hold.

insanemaniac.2456:

dh builds 16 omegas, we build 48 acs!

its nice to have scouts and 1700 supply x3 !

i had to sleep right after we got our garr back last night, looks like bay and hills held hooray

Think we were gonna try for them after what happened at garry? xD That was intense stuff.

Shiver.5903:

GoM: Everyone thought we would get crushed like an insect against FC and DH, I’m happy with GoM’s performance. Of course, like many I am a little disappointed, but looking at the big picture there is nothing to be ashamed of. We were that close to making Top3 in bronze league. Next time we can do better, we have some things to work on.

This is very true. Before this matchup, I thought GoM was completely dead and didn’t stand a chance against anyone… but wow. You guys put up a serious fight and had more people on at most times than FC (from my PoV, I’m from Dh). I mean, even after this fiasco you took 2 of our keeps in our BL and got to the inner of our garrison.. It has been a good fight. I just really wish some of your folks on the forums wouldn’t start insulting/hating just because we picked the right targets, tbh. We can’t apologize for picking strategic targets, sorry…

Colt.9051:

Gizmo.9178:

Or we can blame our poor communication skills.

Or a combination of the two, lol

melodyca.8921:

Yes the double teaming is fairly obvious. I think they decided to take advantage of the fact that some of the PVE’ers moved off of WvW to do the new content.

I honestly don’t believe it’s a case of double teaming in this case. The thing is DH is BLATENTLY focusing GoM on all fronts all day and barely doing a thing to FC, and we’ve largely been unable to retaliate due to whatever reasons of communication, lower numbers… or whatever. Yes, that’s largely our fault on that part, but it still doesn’t rectify the obvious focus DH has for us now. For whatever reason we made them mad enough to do such a thing is beyond me, but up until this point the matchup was fun until this poor show from DH… I’m highly disappointed.

Lol, we’ve been attacking FC BL with zergs/ninja groups all day long… we made like 10 separate attempts at stealing their various keeps. We only just now finished taking their garrison with 16 golems. We lost 12 of them. I mean, have you noticed their keep in EB? It doesn’t have a WP. The reason it doesn’t seem that way is because FC is fighting back, hard. They’re stopping us from taking most of their stuff and they’re repeatedly taking our stuff.

That was an epic string of battles in our BL GoM. And here we thought there were none of you left lol. That one in our garrison inner just now was particularly brutal, good fights!

RedStar.4218:

Actually GoM ended up with FC’s garrison. And hitting you guys when you were pushing for OL was extremely funny. But not as funny as when we did it a few minutes later at Ogrewatch and actually got it :p.

And the LS is hitting us hard too. Luckily, there’s not too many things to do and achievements are easy to get.

Lol, if you knew how many rage tears you caused… xD

Dh was happy lol, we had like 10 people in EB for 2-3 hours after patch. We finally get a zerg going and 1/2 of every attempt to take something ends with GoM storming up from behind LOL.

Solstice.1097:

good job DH and GoM hitting our overlook and garrison at the same time.

whether intentional or not, it cost us our upgraded garrison.

If we’re talking about the same incident, then what do you mean? Didn’t Dh end up with your Garry? We were the ones who attacked you in EB also. GoM actaully saved your keep in EB by hitting us with a zerg from behind while we were attacking your keep in EB with golems :/. Many people raged at GoM (and are still raging) in Dh chat for that lol. Many cries of 2v1 ring forth from the map chat.

Solstice.1097:

Arius.7031:

Solstice.1097:

that is FC’s strength. our wvw population may be small but we go 24/7

makes for tough resets but strong finishes.

IMO, your WvW population isn’t that small for bronze lol. You definitely outnumber what I consider to be the bottom 3 servers (AR, DR, ET), and you’re perhaps only slightly outnumbered by GoM from my point of view. Most of the time it’s really even between the two of you. I won’t comment on Dh though as I’m obviously biased.

bronze is small by definition. HoD is very noticeably larger but still much smaller than any silver server except NSP/IoJ.

I bet NSP/HoD/IoJ right now would be an incredibly close match.

SF was actually huge in our last matchup as well, they dominated both us and ET about as much as HoD dominated you guys. Those two may make a good match as well.

My predictions:

1. HoD
2. SF
3. FC
4. Dh
5. GoM
6. Kaineng
7. ET
8. DR
9. AR

8 and 9 could be swapped.
6 and 7 could be swapped.

3, 4, and 5 are very contested IMO. I think FC has the most dedicated but smallest WvW team (not by much), and they seem to use siege very well (their keeps are much harder for us to take than GoM’s). I think Dh has the largest playerbase and we seem to win zerg fights more often than not (a lot of the times outnumbered), but we suck with siege. GoM seems perfectly balanced between the two, seeming to have a larger population than FC and more dedication that Dh, though I don’t think they’re very good with siege either (in my experience).

SF hugely outnumbers Dh, and since I’d say Dh is the third most populated in bronze league, that’s saying something. That said, HoD seems to be very dominant atm as well, they beat FC by a larger margin than SF beat ET and Dh.

Solstice.1097:

that is FC’s strength. our wvw population may be small but we go 24/7

makes for tough resets but strong finishes.

IMO, your WvW population isn’t that small for bronze lol. You definitely outnumber what I consider to be the bottom 3 servers (AR, DR, ET), and you’re perhaps only slightly outnumbered by GoM from my point of view. Most of the time it’s really even between the two of you. I won’t comment on Dh though as I’m obviously biased.

titanlectro.5029:

Crap! I forgot about the new living story release.

GoM goes where the shiny is… Here is hoping that this new release is super short and/or boring!

Haha, if there’s one thing people know about Dh, it’s that it’s a PvE server. Look what happens when patch releases:

http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/43/

:/

Fun fact: our EB zerg is 10 people strong ATM.

Zacchary.6183:

And you thinking your argument is valid is called an opinion and disregarding my comments because you think I have a god complex is called Ad Hominem which is an informal fallacy. Secondly, I don’t give my opinion on anything unless I have made observations on it which is entirely different from your opinions that are based upon one incident and popular belief.

Actually, it doesn’t constitute an Ad Hominem unless he dismissed you based only on his personal attack. If he attacked you personally, but also gave reasons as to why you were wrong, then it does not constitute an Ad Hominem. In fact, upon investigate, he did in fact do more than just commit an Ad Hominem attack, see this quote:

According to you. I, however, think I make a very valid argument that someone running toughness/vita gear should not be getting hit for nearly 30,000 damage in the span of a couple seconds.
Take your god complex elsewhere. Your opinion is just that. Opinion.

Note that he does supply argumentation in support of his conclusion. He says that thieves are too strong because they can destroy tanks in a few seconds. Regardless of whether or not his argument succeeds, he did indeed try to support it, and did not dismiss your argument with only a personal attack. Thus, this is not an Ad Hominem attack.

Your original point is valid because thieves (being the best burst class) can hit for 10k in one shot. However, any rational debater would point out that you are biased and you lack a great amount of information.

Any rational debater would also point out that every human is biased and that bias does not constitute grounds for dismissing a claim. You will later go on to actually provide evidence that his claim is plausibly true, when you mention that 1,000s of people complain about the exact same thing. But, you’ll end up shooting yourself in the foot in the next paragraph, so let’s finish this one quickly and move onto that.

And they would not take you seriously because you have absolutely nothing to back up your statements that this needs to be toned down other than your word and popular belief which is false.

What do you mean here? That because it is popular belief, it is therefore false? People often misrepresents arguments which rely on popular belief as being Ad Populum arguments. This is false, as an argument that is based in the inductive evidence of many witnesses does, in fact, make it an inductive argument and not a fallacy. If someone moves from inductive argumentation to deductive argumentation (e.g. most people believe x therefore x) then it becomes a fallacy, but he’s never done that.

We all get that a thief hit you for 11k and you got your ego hurt, but guess what, you are the the 1000th person to complain about it and therefore nobody really cares.

So I suppose you say this to all the other 1,000s of people who have reported the same exact issue? Why is that, even though Mesmers are clearly the most OP class for dueling ATM, they’re not complained about nearly as much as Warrior or Thief? I think it’s because there’s a difference between something that is overpowered and something that is broken.

If you don’t wanna take a week to learn about a class that is kicking your kitten , then its all good because it will keep killing you until you do. This is what “L2P” entails.

Learning to play doesn’t make you start emitting tachyon beams that will detect people through cloak. If you’re attacked by certain burst thief builds, you simply can’t do anything (as I outlined in one of my posts above).

Seazen.7415:

This type of damage does not happen unless there’s a HUGE discrepancy in gear. I don’t understand why people just don’t try out thief and see if these big numbers really exist against people who are well-geared.

It’s WvW… not PvE… you have to actually fight with some intelligence… not stand there spamming your keyboard

To share a funny anecdote, I was playing about 2 minutes ago with an 80 engineer, an 80 guardian (the Guardian is pro), and 2 up levels. We were fighting one thief, from [fate] on FC server (I’m from Dh). Here’s how it goes:

I’m attacked, I’m literally downed in 2 seconds, battle log says:

2.2k damage steal
5.8k cloak and dagger
10.4k backstab

Okay, so I’m downed. Of course, I’m stomped quickly, can’t use fear or anything, after all, she’s about 10 billion miles away waiting to teleport back to me the second the stomp is about to finish. Anyhow, she stealths. My team didn’t have time to react the first time, but we’re ready the second time, okay? Nope, Engineer is ambushed, but being tankier than me, survives the opening barrage and gets his heal off, putting him to 1/2 hp. Surprise, the thief stealths again and the guardian barely got a hit off in time (the engi being too busy not dying to do any damage). Next, the engi runs off to regen, and the Thief switches target to the Guardian, downed in 3 seconds (Guardians have really low healthpools naturally, even though they have high toughness, their primary tanking ability comes from sustained healing either via boons/AH or meditations). Dead. The thief then 1 hits the up level, downed, dead. Other uplevel no where in sight, the Engineer runs into a nearby tower (this is WvW, mind you).

Tell me, how could we have played better? Don’t pull the “l2P” or “you should roll a thief and learn their stuff”, I know how to play and have a thief. I’ve been PvPing since launch (not BWE, just launch), and I know how to play all of my classes exceedingly well (not trying to brag, just being honest). I stood no chance. The only character I’d stance a chance on is my Mesmer, due to stealth, and I doubt I’d win even then.

Thief is far from OP, in fact, it’s UP in most aspects. But, it is broken, insofar as its stealth mechanic is easily abused in order to give exceedingly high survivability, and its burst is simply too high and too hard to avoid.

Edit: Also note, I fought this player on a dif occasion, using death shroud this time. I was nearly killed at the start of the battle, went into deathshroud as it was the only way to survive. She stealthed for so long that I literally ran out of death shround without taking any damage, and then killed me immediately upon exit.

[WZ] guy who was stuck in the reinforced wall at SM… that was an epic duel. :P

Yeah, anyone who knows Assassin X from Darkhaven knows he’s anything but not skilled lol. I’m from Darkhaven, ran in countless zerg/havoc operations with him (on various alts), he’s got skills. Try not to make a total judgment on an opponent when you’ve only had one fight.

insanemaniac.2456:

Zumy.6318:

Ty Corodox for the duels and lessons at thieving. Dont recall learning so much in so little time since forever.

Cheers!

If I came along b*tching, I apologize. I came to this matchup bc I know it has good guilds and wanted to improve my knowledge with my new build.
Didnt expect to get called out the first moment I am here though. Nobody likes that.

if you dont want to be called out, dont laugh at people and then ragequit when you get downed
LOL

This is how you respond to an apology? Seriously, grow up, it’s a video game.

What clint said lol.

We’re still going to beat you though <3.

Solstice.1097:

Arius.7031:

Solstice.1097:

yep we are gettin double teamed in EB and our BL

Oh, you’re not getting double teamed in EB lol. We’re trying to go for both of you in EB, we’re just going for you in FC BL because earlier you were in our BL. Dh, as a server, has the retaliation boon :P.

getting hit by 2 servers at once = double teamed, whether intentional or not.

Lol, then Dh has been doubled teamed by both of you a lot as well. Guess it happens all the time in WvW :/.

Solstice.1097:

yep we are gettin double teamed in EB and our BL

Oh, you’re not getting double teamed in EB lol. We’re trying to go for both of you in EB, we’re just going for you in FC BL because earlier you were in our BL. Dh, as a server, has the retaliation boon :P.

Sorry, I disagree. Participation has greatly increased in WvW which is amazing for lower tier servers (Darkhaven can now, on rare occasion, queue 2 maps). Further, WvW players are sorely missing a good source of achievement points for doing what they enjoy, the normal ones are ridiculous, they’re a joke. Even with the occasional abuse, the AP is something I’d very much like to see stay.

Colt.9051:

Arius.7031:

Lol, thus far FC and Dh losing pretty bad, when they were clearly the two favorites going into this. I’m still betting FC or Dh will win, regardless, quite interesting that GOM has such solid numbers.

Lol, it’s only been one hour into RESET, it’s WAYYY too early to tell just yet xD Still, we’ll give FC and DH a run for their money, so I wouldn’t count us out

Haha well I’m just remarking on how you guys are managing very good numbers after the reset. The impression you’d get from the forums is that GoM is 100% dead lol.

Regardless, looking forward to this matchup. Eager to see what GoM has over protracted periods of time and if we can get vengeance on FC :P.

Lol, thus far FC and Dh losing pretty bad, when they were clearly the two favorites going into this. I’m still betting FC or Dh will win, regardless, quite interesting that GOM has such solid numbers.

Traced.3495:

Trahearne is my favorite thing in the later storyline. The story itself was, I think… okay. Yup, played the game until the second last instance (since I won’t do the last one) and was perfectly happy.

And trying to continue to be so. I was really surprised after I went reading about stuff after playing as far as I decided to play. I just can’t see things the way many others seem to… Would not want to, either.

(Sylvari, Where life goes <3 <3 <3, Priory)

I never play the last mission/watch the last episode of things I care about rofl… Good to know I’m not alone. An interesting thing to note is that Sylvari players (based on a relatively small sample size that is opt-in, admittedly) tend to like Trahearne better. I think this is good evidence for Amirit’s well thought out point. Perhaps Trahearne would be less disliked if he had a better introduction?

Talissa Chan.7208:

Soon as people start dredging up strawman referencing and post longer than 250 chars – they’re using the forum as training for debate using something they know people will argue with. Trehearne is a hopeless character, with the charm and grace of a lump of wood. I also would have preferred my order mentor to be the one to lead me to victory and trehearne get eaten at claw island.
Please keep arguing about how epic he is though and keep on practising for that debate team.
To OP: Yes, the personal story does lose its feeling of being personal as soon as he comes along, you no longer suggest the choices it becomes trehearne GIVING you two to choose from. the pale tree lady guides you through HIS vision of orr and generally you take the back seat as unimportant fodder.

This is your way of saying “reason, discussion, forget those, I have my opinion and anyone who disagrees with me is stupid”. Seriously, I never said Trahearne was awesome, nor did I try to argue that. Seriously, hand wave paragraphs of arguments and meticulous thought by claiming someone is wrong and practicing for the debate team… not cool. I also like how, conveniently, I’m the only one you target about this, but not the guy I was responding to who made me do it in the first place. My post wouldn’t have even been so long if I wasn’t replying to a very long post…

Thank you both for your response and your epic work in the original post. My question is geared towards WvW roaming. Basically, I want to be able to beat people 1v1 primarily with a secondary focus on being good when outnumbered. On my Mesmer, for example, it’s child’s play to kill 2 people at once (unless they’re both exceptional). They’re kind of OP in that regard though, so I don’t expect a build that’s quite that good, but something around that good would be very cool. I don’t know if that changes your recommendations though. I’m really interested in that 1st build as I love hammer.

Jax, what would you say is the best Guardian dueling build ATM (or top 3 or w/e)?