Guild Wars 2

Sagittia.2769:

You are talking to the #1 Filipino RP guild on HoD buddy.
TC pays for our guesting fee so we can queue LA and Kessex for them.

P.S. We still queue Tequatl. Get on our level.

I’ll see you in Kessex buddy. We’ll let our trains do the talking for us.

Guards are content with this patch. No real debuff, slight buffs are always welcome.

lept.4692:

Arius.7031:

JahRo.6432:

Guys, quick! New PvE content! HoD is vulnerable! Now is the time to strike!

Lol nope Darkhaven is a PvE server. We’re doomed x.x

I bet we can hold our LA waypoints longer than you!

We’ll have LA and Kessex queued buddy, you don’t stand a chance.

JahRo.6432:

Guys, quick! New PvE content! HoD is vulnerable! Now is the time to strike!

Lol nope Darkhaven is a PvE server. We’re doomed x.x

clint.5681:

Arius.7031:

clint.5681:

Righteous.4307:

bob.8632:

Madora.9340:

After fighting just about every server it seems in Bronze tier, everyone goes after SF. I think they just want to test our mettle and I’m not entirely sure why.

SF just generates the most hate of all the bronze tiers, everybody likes to beat the “bad guy”.

The reason is that most servers accept defeat. As a whole when a server looses they tend to say internally, “Welp, we really need to improve X, Y, and Z.” Servers will begin to promote teamwork between guilds, community leaders will encourage PvE players to participate in WvW, and equally importantly the leaders will work to keep those players actively in WvW even when the going gets tough.

SF on the other hand always blames something that is outside of their control, and worse yet SF does it on the forums. “It’s Black Friday”, “It’s Thanksgiving”, “We don’t play for PPT”, etc. All of those are word for word direct quotes from ONE matchup. Other servers don’t dislike SF because you’re the “bad guy” they dislike SF because the vocal majority of SF players post on the forums giving excuses and being sore losers. This is not indicative of every player on your server, but it does reflect the overall image that your server creates for others to see.

Finally, before you get bent out of shape and post how I am just saying these things and attacking your character, I just want to let you know that I am looking at this as objectively as possible. Go look at your matchup threads and then look at other servers matchup threads. See how the tone that SF projects differs from the norm. Soon you will see it too. Even now, if you check the current SF matchup you claim that it is because you are getting double teamed… and even if that happens to be the case from time to time SF complains about it on the forums. The other popular excuse with SF right now is “We are burnt out from leagues”… as if every other server didn’t just play 7 weeks of league play.

Ahh I forgot all the other servers are perfect and no one makes excuses but us. Go look back at the last 7 weeks of match up threads starting with week one and suddenly you see a different story than the bullkitten you wrote here.

Most servers aren’t terribly whiny about their losses though. Look at Dh Vs HoD week 4, barely any whining occurred. In fact, multiple posts were made that ONLY complimented on HoD on their victory and how well deserved it was.

If it helps, you’re not the only server that is viewed as whiny in bronze lol, at least from a Dh perspective.

look at our match up with HoD and you will see the same, NEXT

Saying “I do something good” does not mean you don’t do something bad. We compliment AND we don’t whine anywhere near as much. Big dif.

clint.5681:

Righteous.4307:

bob.8632:

Madora.9340:

After fighting just about every server it seems in Bronze tier, everyone goes after SF. I think they just want to test our mettle and I’m not entirely sure why.

SF just generates the most hate of all the bronze tiers, everybody likes to beat the “bad guy”.

The reason is that most servers accept defeat. As a whole when a server looses they tend to say internally, “Welp, we really need to improve X, Y, and Z.” Servers will begin to promote teamwork between guilds, community leaders will encourage PvE players to participate in WvW, and equally importantly the leaders will work to keep those players actively in WvW even when the going gets tough.

SF on the other hand always blames something that is outside of their control, and worse yet SF does it on the forums. “It’s Black Friday”, “It’s Thanksgiving”, “We don’t play for PPT”, etc. All of those are word for word direct quotes from ONE matchup. Other servers don’t dislike SF because you’re the “bad guy” they dislike SF because the vocal majority of SF players post on the forums giving excuses and being sore losers. This is not indicative of every player on your server, but it does reflect the overall image that your server creates for others to see.

Finally, before you get bent out of shape and post how I am just saying these things and attacking your character, I just want to let you know that I am looking at this as objectively as possible. Go look at your matchup threads and then look at other servers matchup threads. See how the tone that SF projects differs from the norm. Soon you will see it too. Even now, if you check the current SF matchup you claim that it is because you are getting double teamed… and even if that happens to be the case from time to time SF complains about it on the forums. The other popular excuse with SF right now is “We are burnt out from leagues”… as if every other server didn’t just play 7 weeks of league play.

Ahh I forgot all the other servers are perfect and no one makes excuses but us. Go look back at the last 7 weeks of match up threads starting with week one and suddenly you see a different story than the bullkitten you wrote here.

Most servers aren’t terribly whiny about their losses though. Look at Dh Vs HoD week 4, barely any whining occurred. In fact, multiple posts were made that ONLY complimented on HoD on their victory and how well deserved it was.

If it helps, you’re not the only server that is viewed as whiny in bronze lol, at least from a Dh perspective.

babazhook.6805:

>>I’m sorry but claiming that HoD has half of the wvw population than over half of the other servers in bronze league is a pure and utter joke. And normally things this ridiculous and blatantly untrue are said by trolls.

I am sorry. I never made that claim . Please point out where I made such a claim, otherwise by your own words it being blatantly untrue I made such a claim you are the troll.

The only statement I responded to was the claim that HOD queued every borderland each and every week which was NOT my experience as I got in thelatter weeks without a queue and the claim made that HOD had the largest numbers in Bronze by far which is simply not a factual statement.

Do not ascribe the words of another to myself.

If you’re talking about your response to me, I didn’t say HoD queued all maps every week. It was reported that you queued every map on reset in week 6 or so. That’s the point. Darkhaven, widely held to be one of the highest populated servers in bronze (along with SF), at best queued 2, and almost 3, that late into the season.

Plains of Ashes.5941:

Arius.7031:

Plains of Ashes.5941:

Ok, so whats going on with the AR/SF matchup?

We beat AR by the same amount we beat SF. AR has a night crew lol, that’s the main difference. SF beats them in prime time, but when night comes… Anyways. I’m really surprised by how poorly Dh is doing this week. I guess it’s just cus we’re against 2 servers that can defend their own BL lol.

Im kinda surprised by ferg as well. While they where seemingly outsmarting GoM in week 6 i was starting to miss the ferg zerg, glad to see its back. Seems like DH is closing tho.

Been alot of fun fighting DH this weekend, HoD is winning some and losing some. With the seriousness of the season over we decided to remove the DH squatters from our SM with 55 golems. (sorry fergs we beat you by 3 golems). Lets hope the rest of the week is as fun.

I think certain servers are going to be hit hard by the season ending. SF and Dh are probably two of those servers.

I get a sense alot of servers are spent from making every position count over 7 weeks (except AR ), I dont think you guys are alone in that.

Yeah, I’m surprised by FC. Dealt a very bad hand in leagues and they’re still alive and kicking. Now, I do think that 1v1 FC wouldn’t stand much of a chance against Dh. But I think they’re doing much better than I expected them too. They haven’t given up like so many servers have.

clint.5681:

Arius.7031:

clint.5681:

Arius.7031:

clint.5681:

Mugo.5723:

SF beats us in prime time NA no doubt. Too bad wvw doesn’t cater to prime time numbers. AR has kept both kain and SF keeps in their bl away from upgrades this entire reset weekend. Every night when our NA players stay up late to help our oceanic players out, we have kept our T3 keeps/towers. So it minimizes our overall coverage. AR is a server of opportunity. The score will only get more inflated once the weekdays arrives because like we have said….AR gets better as the weekdays come. Regardless of the pvd talk, in theory we at AR believe that we can attract more wvw people by not losing our ptt to night capping. A lot of our NA players understand SF coverage gap and take advantage anytime we get. So after all the SF smack talk in week 2 of season 1, we at AR are hungry to show we can compete against servers in an overall wvw fashion. When we night cap SF/kain it is due to server determination…not 100% oceanics transfers.

lol ok bro, I see you are jumping on the same train DH jumped on last week. Im sure everyone is happy that you are getting your server together and pulling yourself from last place, but lets not get ridiculous. A lot of people on our server is tired of wvw/gw2, im not sure anyone really cares about the score of this match up.

As always, the entire server that is losing magically stops caring about the score for the 1 week they get beat.

I knew you would reply for whatever reason. I guess i wouldnt know what is going on with my own server, we are just randomly losing to AR for no reason, my bad.

You’re losing cus they have more coverage, it seems. I just think it’s really weird when SF is losing that they don’t care about anything suddenly.

I think its weird that you think all of us that play WvW is PPT driven. You dont know what is going on with SF but you are always the first one to comment on it, when i need an random opinion on SF ill be sure to hit you up.

I’m not saying ALL SF cares about is PPT. I’m saying a normal amount of you probably care about PPT. There are PPT players and non PPT players in every server, that’s just how it is. I think you’ve got just as many as any equally sized server, or nearly just as many.

clint.5681:

Arius.7031:

clint.5681:

Mugo.5723:

SF beats us in prime time NA no doubt. Too bad wvw doesn’t cater to prime time numbers. AR has kept both kain and SF keeps in their bl away from upgrades this entire reset weekend. Every night when our NA players stay up late to help our oceanic players out, we have kept our T3 keeps/towers. So it minimizes our overall coverage. AR is a server of opportunity. The score will only get more inflated once the weekdays arrives because like we have said….AR gets better as the weekdays come. Regardless of the pvd talk, in theory we at AR believe that we can attract more wvw people by not losing our ptt to night capping. A lot of our NA players understand SF coverage gap and take advantage anytime we get. So after all the SF smack talk in week 2 of season 1, we at AR are hungry to show we can compete against servers in an overall wvw fashion. When we night cap SF/kain it is due to server determination…not 100% oceanics transfers.

lol ok bro, I see you are jumping on the same train DH jumped on last week. Im sure everyone is happy that you are getting your server together and pulling yourself from last place, but lets not get ridiculous. A lot of people on our server is tired of wvw/gw2, im not sure anyone really cares about the score of this match up.

As always, the entire server that is losing magically stops caring about the score for the 1 week they get beat.

I knew you would reply for whatever reason. I guess i wouldnt know what is going on with my own server, we are just randomly losing to AR for no reason, my bad.

You’re losing cus they have more coverage, it seems. I just think it’s really weird when SF is losing that they don’t care about anything suddenly.

clint.5681:

Mugo.5723:

SF beats us in prime time NA no doubt. Too bad wvw doesn’t cater to prime time numbers. AR has kept both kain and SF keeps in their bl away from upgrades this entire reset weekend. Every night when our NA players stay up late to help our oceanic players out, we have kept our T3 keeps/towers. So it minimizes our overall coverage. AR is a server of opportunity. The score will only get more inflated once the weekdays arrives because like we have said….AR gets better as the weekdays come. Regardless of the pvd talk, in theory we at AR believe that we can attract more wvw people by not losing our ptt to night capping. A lot of our NA players understand SF coverage gap and take advantage anytime we get. So after all the SF smack talk in week 2 of season 1, we at AR are hungry to show we can compete against servers in an overall wvw fashion. When we night cap SF/kain it is due to server determination…not 100% oceanics transfers.

lol ok bro, I see you are jumping on the same train DH jumped on last week. Im sure everyone is happy that you are getting your server together and pulling yourself from last place, but lets not get ridiculous. A lot of people on our server is tired of wvw/gw2, im not sure anyone really cares about the score of this match up.

As always, the entire server that is losing magically stops caring about the score for the 1 week they get beat.

Bllade.1029:

Lol tbh, a lot of people stopped caring. I think with the achievements gone, and the spunk of leagues gone, a lot of people stopped caring. Not to mention finals week, this is pretty awesome. A lack of fairweathers on HoD I am noticing.

I agree completely. I’m actually really enjoying this even though Dh is losing. I’m totally burnt out so I can’t play too much of it but from what I’ve seen lots of fun battles (that usually end in hods favor xD).

Solstice.1097:

Finally we get to face HoD with a competent 3rd server. Loving how close this match is staying.

IDK about you guys, but I’m getting flashbacks to GoM Vs. FC Vs. Dh… Teeheehee

WZ, classiest guild NA as always. Camping Dh spawn with ballista and a mesmer zerg. Awesome (and annoying).

Plains of Ashes.5941:

Ok, so whats going on with the AR/SF matchup?

We beat AR by the same amount we beat SF. AR has a night crew lol, that’s the main difference. SF beats them in prime time, but when night comes… Anyways. I’m really surprised by how poorly Dh is doing this week. I guess it’s just cus we’re against 2 servers that can defend their own BL lol.

I think certain servers are going to be hit hard by the season ending. SF and Dh are probably two of those servers.

joe ooga booga.4287:

The new guardian skill is honestly trash. lets say i somehow hit a 10k. which is rare even for a zerker. i only get 2k health once overy 30 sec… Healing signet heal for that every 7s…
It should last 20 s.

Notice, without any investment into meditation on the video, he heals to about 6k with smite condition and sword 3/auto attack. I think you’re underestimating the DPS of your guard. You’re probably not factoring in burns/retaliation, or other sources of damage.

Also note that you shouldn’t directly compare warrior heals to guardian heals because they’re two different beats. Guardians have an inbuilt 100+ regen (virtue) + their heal from main skill + their shouts/meditations + their virtue active/renewed focus or tome of support + mace 1/2, staff 2/4, shield 5 + heal on dodge etc… Guardians have a lot of innate access to heals, so saying any 1 heal is short of what a war can achieve just won’t cut it. Wars generally only have access to a few extra heals (if any at all) on top of healing sig (e.g. adrenal health, vigorous shouts etc…).

Not saying the skill is great, but I believe a DPS Guard can rather easily out heal the current top health per second heal (signet of resolve) if they’re a meditation build. It further arguments meditation builds by play off of fury on meditation use. That’s 5 seconds of fury. With the low CD time (24 seconds with meditation traits). You can use this near the beginning of a duel, to keep yourself at maximum health and give yourself fury. You can then use meditations to sustain your health until it’s off CD (which should be easy), then repop it for a huge heal + more fury.

I think this skill has potential but I highly doubt it will fulfill anything more than a niche roll. signet of resolve/shelter will still be the go-to for most people. That said, the option is a very welcome addition!

Lady Azjurai.3078:

It really just means that PvP is going to get an influx of PvE players who have no idea what they’re doing and just try for ‘top score’, ignoring the actual goal of the map and causing their team to lose over and over, then getting frustrated and going back to PvE.

Were we not all this at one point? We all start somewhere. Look at WvW, we got a huge influx of PvEers, and now the PvEers have mostly left. Now, servers have tons of new core WvW players (at least a lot of them do). If this change is anything like leagues, PvEers will come in for their chieves, and PvPers will come out. That’s good for everyone if it happens.

Deli.1302:

Best way to get people on teamspeak is to make them feel bad that they aren’t on it.

You represent a lot of what is wrong with gaming today. You don’t care if people are having fun, you genuinely want to ruin their fun if they don’t play your way. It’s not a game to you, it’s a way of life, you have to win and you don’t care how many people you make feel bad to do it.

If you want people on TS, incentive. Do not try to force people/make them feel bad if they do not. Playing without TS is reasonable, understandable, and acceptable.

Ynot.8397:

Lantern.9687:

We have less WvW population than at least half of bronze.

Would you like to know how we know you are out of touch?

Big fan of HoD, but you’re easily top 3 in bronze and possibly number 1 in numbers. I’ve heard you guys can queue 4 maps on reset, according to a player from HoD. Darkhaven queued 2 in leagues, and I hear the same is true of SF. Oddly enough you guys gave us outnumbered in our BL this last reset.

How is HoD/FC’s population post season? People still showing up?

Assassin X.8573:

Pangie.3217:

After the league, I am burnt from wvw. This week might be too hardcore for me

i feel the kittenign same lol

Lol same. I really put a lot into that SF matchup. Still, I do want to beat HoD pretty bad lol. A guy can dream…

Good luck to all. Great to be playing FC/HoD again!

You’re asking people on the forums. I wonder how many people in game would answer forums?

Jeknar.6184:

Arius.7031:

clint.5681:

Arius.7031:

Gman.3789:

Arius.7031:

Gman.3789:

Arius.7031:

Gman.3789:

Adaxia.5406:

Since its now impossible for DH to loose, I would like to thank all the commanders and players who made this upset possible. Everyone did some really great work these past few weeks, and hopefully tonight we will get a good reward for our efforts.

“Upset” lol.

https://leaderboards.guildwars2.com/en/na/wvwmain

Yes, upset. SF beat us week 1 of leagues and from that point on was the favorite for second (and some people thought first). 90% of people, when asked, said SF would take 2nd (again, after leagues began). I refer you to the bronze league thread where nearly every prediction places Dh behind SF.

So yes, it was an upset. Also, rankings meant nothing kitten had placed higher against FC then Dh did pre-season. Even pre season it’s arguable that SF was the favorite for 2nd, once season started it’s not even debatable.

“Rankings meant nothing.”

> Implying BG/JQ should be bronze-league servers.

No I meant in that particular instance. SF had placed higher than Dh against FC and so were favorites over Dh, thereby making it so rankings were not considered accurate even at that time.

Face it man, you guys got upset. Don’t fight it. Your server may not have felt like you’d win, but everyone else (cept for some HoD folks) did.

“I meant in that particular instance”

> Facts don’t match my view of the world, so I will ignore them.

Are you reading my posts? I gave you facts to back up my assertion. SF placed higher against FC than Dh and so was viewed as a favorite over Dh. You’re ignoring my points, repeatedly, it’s dishonest.

Cheap 1 liners do not make a rebuttal. Try again.

To repeat:

-SF placed higher than SF against FC pre season.
-SF beat Dh week 1.
-SF beat servers like FC far more than Dh did, and thus was viewed as stronger.
-SF had been higher ranked than Dh until 2 consecutive losses to HoD.
-SF was repeatedly predicted by many people in bronze league thread to be number 2 over Dh.

Those are the “facts” that you’re ignoring to preserve your world view. I suggest you shape up and stop letting wishful thinking decide your opinion. SF was the favorite, Dh was the underdog.

Sf was ranked lower than fc before the seasons started.

Yeah. I’m saying they were the fav over Dh, not over FC. FC was the fav over both.

Both FC and DH were ranked higher than SF…
The order was: Kaineng/HoD/FC/DH/SF/ET/GoM/DR/AR

Yeah but the perception was that SF was stronger, due to placing higher than Dh in a matchup against FC.

clint.5681:

Arius.7031:

Gman.3789:

Arius.7031:

Gman.3789:

Arius.7031:

Gman.3789:

Adaxia.5406:

Since its now impossible for DH to loose, I would like to thank all the commanders and players who made this upset possible. Everyone did some really great work these past few weeks, and hopefully tonight we will get a good reward for our efforts.

“Upset” lol.

https://leaderboards.guildwars2.com/en/na/wvwmain

Yes, upset. SF beat us week 1 of leagues and from that point on was the favorite for second (and some people thought first). 90% of people, when asked, said SF would take 2nd (again, after leagues began). I refer you to the bronze league thread where nearly every prediction places Dh behind SF.

So yes, it was an upset. Also, rankings meant nothing kitten had placed higher against FC then Dh did pre-season. Even pre season it’s arguable that SF was the favorite for 2nd, once season started it’s not even debatable.

“Rankings meant nothing.”

> Implying BG/JQ should be bronze-league servers.

No I meant in that particular instance. SF had placed higher than Dh against FC and so were favorites over Dh, thereby making it so rankings were not considered accurate even at that time.

Face it man, you guys got upset. Don’t fight it. Your server may not have felt like you’d win, but everyone else (cept for some HoD folks) did.

“I meant in that particular instance”

> Facts don’t match my view of the world, so I will ignore them.

Are you reading my posts? I gave you facts to back up my assertion. SF placed higher against FC than Dh and so was viewed as a favorite over Dh. You’re ignoring my points, repeatedly, it’s dishonest.

Cheap 1 liners do not make a rebuttal. Try again.

To repeat:

-SF placed higher than SF against FC pre season.
-SF beat Dh week 1.
-SF beat servers like FC far more than Dh did, and thus was viewed as stronger.
-SF had been higher ranked than Dh until 2 consecutive losses to HoD.
-SF was repeatedly predicted by many people in bronze league thread to be number 2 over Dh.

Those are the “facts” that you’re ignoring to preserve your world view. I suggest you shape up and stop letting wishful thinking decide your opinion. SF was the favorite, Dh was the underdog.

Sf was ranked lower than fc before the seasons started.

Yeah. I’m saying they were the fav over Dh, not over FC. FC was the fav over both.

Gman.3789:

Arius.7031:

Gman.3789:

Arius.7031:

Gman.3789:

Arius.7031:

Gman.3789:

Adaxia.5406:

Since its now impossible for DH to loose, I would like to thank all the commanders and players who made this upset possible. Everyone did some really great work these past few weeks, and hopefully tonight we will get a good reward for our efforts.

“Upset” lol.

https://leaderboards.guildwars2.com/en/na/wvwmain

Yes, upset. SF beat us week 1 of leagues and from that point on was the favorite for second (and some people thought first). 90% of people, when asked, said SF would take 2nd (again, after leagues began). I refer you to the bronze league thread where nearly every prediction places Dh behind SF.

So yes, it was an upset. Also, rankings meant nothing kitten had placed higher against FC then Dh did pre-season. Even pre season it’s arguable that SF was the favorite for 2nd, once season started it’s not even debatable.

“Rankings meant nothing.”

> Implying BG/JQ should be bronze-league servers.

No I meant in that particular instance. SF had placed higher than Dh against FC and so were favorites over Dh, thereby making it so rankings were not considered accurate even at that time.

Face it man, you guys got upset. Don’t fight it. Your server may not have felt like you’d win, but everyone else (cept for some HoD folks) did.

“I meant in that particular instance”

> Facts don’t match my view of the world, so I will ignore them.

Are you reading my posts? I gave you facts to back up my assertion. SF placed higher against FC than Dh and so was viewed as a favorite over Dh. You’re ignoring my points, repeatedly, it’s dishonest.

Cheap 1 liners do not make a rebuttal. Try again.

To repeat:

-SF placed higher than SF against FC pre season.
-SF beat Dh week 1.
-SF beat servers like FC far more than Dh did, and thus was viewed as stronger.
-SF had been higher ranked than Dh until 2 consecutive losses to HoD.
-SF was repeatedly predicted by many people in bronze league thread to be number 2 over Dh.

Those are the “facts” that you’re ignoring to preserve your world view. I suggest you shape up and stop letting wishful thinking decide your opinion. SF was the favorite, Dh was the underdog.

You are confusing the two words “perception” and “fact.” Bullet point 4 of your own diatribe very concisely demonstrates that. Well done!

An upset is, by definition, “an unexpected result or situation, esp. in a sports competition.” Expectations are, by definition, perceptions and while perceptions and facts usually correlate, they are not by themselves facts.

Everyone will admit Dh is stronger than SF. We are the stronger server, obviously. That doesn’t mean we weren’t perceived to be weaker, which is exactly my point. It is a FACT that we were PERCEIVED to be weaker.

gg

Gman.3789:

Arius.7031:

Gman.3789:

Arius.7031:

Gman.3789:

Adaxia.5406:

Since its now impossible for DH to loose, I would like to thank all the commanders and players who made this upset possible. Everyone did some really great work these past few weeks, and hopefully tonight we will get a good reward for our efforts.

“Upset” lol.

https://leaderboards.guildwars2.com/en/na/wvwmain

Yes, upset. SF beat us week 1 of leagues and from that point on was the favorite for second (and some people thought first). 90% of people, when asked, said SF would take 2nd (again, after leagues began). I refer you to the bronze league thread where nearly every prediction places Dh behind SF.

So yes, it was an upset. Also, rankings meant nothing kitten had placed higher against FC then Dh did pre-season. Even pre season it’s arguable that SF was the favorite for 2nd, once season started it’s not even debatable.

“Rankings meant nothing.”

> Implying BG/JQ should be bronze-league servers.

No I meant in that particular instance. SF had placed higher than Dh against FC and so were favorites over Dh, thereby making it so rankings were not considered accurate even at that time.

Face it man, you guys got upset. Don’t fight it. Your server may not have felt like you’d win, but everyone else (cept for some HoD folks) did.

“I meant in that particular instance”

> Facts don’t match my view of the world, so I will ignore them.

Are you reading my posts? I gave you facts to back up my assertion. SF placed higher against FC than Dh and so was viewed as a favorite over Dh. You’re ignoring my points, repeatedly, it’s dishonest.

Cheap 1 liners do not make a rebuttal. Try again.

To repeat:

-SF placed higher than SF against FC pre season.
-SF beat Dh week 1.
-SF beat servers like FC far more than Dh did, and thus was viewed as stronger.
-SF had been higher ranked than Dh until 2 consecutive losses to HoD.
-SF was repeatedly predicted by many people in bronze league thread to be number 2 over Dh.

Those are the “facts” that you’re ignoring to preserve your world view. I suggest you shape up and stop letting wishful thinking decide your opinion. SF was the favorite, Dh was the underdog.

Gman.3789:

Arius.7031:

Gman.3789:

Adaxia.5406:

Since its now impossible for DH to loose, I would like to thank all the commanders and players who made this upset possible. Everyone did some really great work these past few weeks, and hopefully tonight we will get a good reward for our efforts.

“Upset” lol.

https://leaderboards.guildwars2.com/en/na/wvwmain

Yes, upset. SF beat us week 1 of leagues and from that point on was the favorite for second (and some people thought first). 90% of people, when asked, said SF would take 2nd (again, after leagues began). I refer you to the bronze league thread where nearly every prediction places Dh behind SF.

So yes, it was an upset. Also, rankings meant nothing kitten had placed higher against FC then Dh did pre-season. Even pre season it’s arguable that SF was the favorite for 2nd, once season started it’s not even debatable.

“Rankings meant nothing.”

> Implying BG/JQ should be bronze-league servers.

No I meant in that particular instance. SF had placed higher than Dh against FC and so were favorites over Dh, thereby making it so rankings were not considered accurate even at that time.

Face it man, you guys got upset. Don’t fight it. Your server may not have felt like you’d win, but everyone else (cept for some HoD folks) did.

clint.5681:

Arius.7031:

clint.5681:

The WvW season rewards were so lame. I cant even be surprised at this nonsense anymore

They’ve already been given out?

1 Mini Dolyak
-3 Tastes of Liquid World Experience (came as 2 stacks according to log (1 + 2)) Same here
-100 Dragonite Ore
-100 Empyreal Fragments
– 5 Scrolls of Knowledge (5 stackes, each 1)
– 5 Tomes of Knowledge (5 stacks each 1)
– 1 Essence of Luck (Legendary, 500 Luck

first place in each league gets finisher. You can farm all that crap in a few hours, leagues was a complete fail to me.

They could have done a lot worse IMO. I think they should have thrown maybe 100 achievement points in, as well as a tons of karma, then I would be satisfied personally.

clint.5681:

The WvW season rewards were so lame. I cant even be surprised at this nonsense anymore

They’ve already been given out?

Gman.3789:

Adaxia.5406:

Since its now impossible for DH to loose, I would like to thank all the commanders and players who made this upset possible. Everyone did some really great work these past few weeks, and hopefully tonight we will get a good reward for our efforts.

“Upset” lol.

https://leaderboards.guildwars2.com/en/na/wvwmain

Yes, upset. SF beat us week 1 of leagues and from that point on was the favorite for second (and some people thought first). 90% of people, when asked, said SF would take 2nd (again, after leagues began). I refer you to the bronze league thread where nearly every prediction places Dh behind SF.

So yes, it was an upset. Also, rankings meant nothing kitten had placed higher against FC then Dh did pre-season. Even pre season it’s arguable that SF was the favorite for 2nd, once season started it’s not even debatable.

Great fights to [BS] in the obsidian sanctum! You guys beat us 4 times out of 6 matches :/.

Jeknar.6184:

I am extremely disapointed with the attendance on fight night… You guys are really boring. Seriously…

I’m couldn’t make it ):.

But then I did and I brought my guild with me to fight [bs]. Good stuff so far.

ghost.3208:

Arius.7031:

If you guys had 2 maps queued (EB/SF BL) then you definitely had 2.5, because there was a large zerg in our BL right from the get-go. And didn’t you take a keep in ET as well?

If memory serves me right, at reset there was no queue for EB. I remember this because it’s usually the first map that gets queued along with our BL, I arrived like 15 minutes late for reset and got a surprise seeing there was no queue

Of course, as time went on we eventually queued it, but at least for the start of the matchup there was no queue in EB.

Interesting. An SF person said in the previous thread that it was queued, so I assumed it was.

Gahzirra.8639:

League was a joke, no one really earned the wins if you won it was because you were already recognized as the favorite and then band wagon ensured you would remain unstoppable.

Apparently, there was actually a poll that was conducted prior to the league which had SF/FC the favorites over HoD and Darkhaven. Look how that ended up. Also, many people held Kaineng to be favorites over HoD. HoD may have gotten some transfers but I’m pretty sure they earned it mostly by themselves.

Further, if you look at the other positions in the league, leagues weren’t a joke. Servers like Sorrow’s Furnace and Darkhaven really DID earn their place (as I’m bronze league that’s all I can speak of). Darkhaven worked day in and day out to improve and make sure that it was ready to beat SF, and it did. Sorrow’s Furnace got stuck in 2 matchups with HoD, and came out of that with some of the fiercest zergs in all of bronze.

I think your perspective is, to be honest, somewhat cynical/jaded (even though, of course, there is some merit, especially when it comes to the winners of the leagues).

Detharos.3157:

So now that we’re nearing season’s end, anyone getting curious what might await in that chest? Perhaps ascended items or mats? (A godsend for me if so as I still lagg behind in that area.) 1 gold, 2-3 junky rares and a bunch of salvage? New fangled never before seen weapon skins? Minis? A dozen stacks of a usable multi-target bouncing stun inducing cog like the old days before they removed it, only a version that does 25, 000 damage crits and breaks the game?

Only time will tell, but I guess we can probably expect to be disappointed.

I really hope the dolyak is the only difference between server rewards. I’m half expecting them to reward higher placed servers better. Darkhaven gets number 2 so it might be better for me, but I think it’d be a very bad choice.

Dreadforce.6980:

Arius.7031:

Dreadforce.6980:

Why do you ANBU guys seem so angry? In a few more days no of this will matter the people who fought each week should be proud and I hope they are having fun. When people get the rewards most pve players who started playing will be happy and stay and get better or feel it was a waste and never come back.

All servers say the same thing they win its all skill they lose its insert reason here.

What gives you the impression we’re angry lol? I’m really disappointed in SF for being pretty sore losers, and that’s really annoying considering the amount of effort we put into this. If that annoyance comes across as anger, sorry.

It was just a lighthearted jab in response to some of your own jabs at us. But I’m not sore just giving my opinion. like I said by weeks end none of this will matter some severs will gain players and some will lose players that is the only lasting effect there will be.

Didn’t mean to imply you/all of SF are being sore losers, should have added the qualifier “some”. I still hold a high opinion of SF as a server when it comes to actually fighting them.

Manoa.5897:

Arius.7031:

Manoa.5897:

Typically, any claims that SF is able to pull more than two queues (with exception to the Season 1 kick-off) is an exaggeration.

So you guys showed up in normal force then? IDK, it seemed to me you guys had 3 queues by the fight you were putting up, but I could have been mistaken. The point is that you guys showed up for reset night. Perhaps you were diminished somewhat, granted, but I think it’s fair to say on that night at least we fought an SF that showed up and we won. That’s my only point, and it’s not to brag but instead to counter the excuses (or rationalizations as you call them). If you guys showed up with 2 queues (as is normal for you, apparently), then we fought the normal SF (even if slightly diminished).

On resets, we can usually expect 2.5 maps. Last reset, we were barely at 2 full maps.

If you guys had 2 maps queued (EB/SF BL) then you definitely had 2.5, because there was a large zerg in our BL right from the get-go. And didn’t you take a keep in ET as well?

Jeknar.6184:

Arius.7031:

AR is a lot different, trust me. We recently fought them and they put up a serious fight. Totally different server. I’m not at all surprised they’re giving GoM a run for their money.

I have no doubts that AR is a stronger server than when the leagues began. But still I’m sure GoM is suffering from the lack of people due the new PvE content (This is old already)

Lol WvW gets the short end of the stick whenever new content is released… ugh. Darkhaven knows what it’s like to have your pop disappear come patch day lool.

Manoa.5897:

Typically, any claims that SF is able to pull more than two queues (with exception to the Season 1 kick-off) is an exaggeration.

So you guys showed up in normal force then? IDK, it seemed to me you guys had 3 queues by the fight you were putting up, but I could have been mistaken. The point is that you guys showed up for reset night. Perhaps you were diminished somewhat, granted, but I think it’s fair to say on that night at least we fought an SF that showed up and we won. That’s my only point, and it’s not to brag but instead to counter the excuses (or rationalizations as you call them). If you guys showed up with 2 queues (as is normal for you, apparently), then we fought the normal SF (even if slightly diminished).

Zelyhn.8069:

Off hand sword
GS whirlwind attack
Banners, FGJ.
And soon they will get a heal designed to absorb attacks.
It is a well known fact that – projectile defense aside – warriors are the best in PvE.

They’ve released information on the new heals? Is there anywhere I can view this?

Manoa.5897:

Arius.7031:

I’m sorry but you guys showed up in force on reset night (maybe not at max but pretty close, you definitely had 2 queues, probably had 3, and almost had 4) and we beat you.

I’d really like to know where these massive queues were on reset. I certainly didn’t see them. Only queue I encountered was on our home BL with a whopping wait time time of 2 minutes. And there were at least several folks commenting on mumble how participation on reset was pretty light and how they were amazed they were able to get into our home BL on reset night.

As for the rest of your post, what you saw in the other thread was a bunch of disappointed people trying to rationalize the hows and whys our server lost momentum. Some of the points that were brought up may have been a little silly. But many were legitimate issues that compounded our already declining momentum proceeding this match and they aren’t excuses. We are most definitely not nearly as strong as we were earlier in the season and folks are just throwing out ideas/theories on how and why.

SF folks trying to rationalize why our server lost momentum and why we’re weaker now in no way means DH didn’t beat us fair and square. The score tells the story.

Well in the previous thread someone flat out said SF had two queues, and I fought your zerg in Dh bl multiple times (wiped them at garry, wiped them once at hills, got wiped a few times), that was close to a queue zerg (though perhaps not a queue zerg, can’t say for sure).

ptitminou.6489:

Arius.7031:

Dreadforce.6980:

Why do you ANBU guys seem so angry? In a few more days no of this will matter the people who fought each week should be proud and I hope they are having fun. When people get the rewards most pve players who started playing will be happy and stay and get better or feel it was a waste and never come back.

All servers say the same thing they win its all skill they lose its insert reason here.

What gives you the impression we’re angry lol? I’m really disappointed in SF for being pretty sore losers, and that’s really annoying considering the amount of effort we put into this. If that annoyance comes across as anger, sorry.

I don’t see why you think there are sore losers. We only accept our fate as it is. If it were something new for us, then maybe we’d be a bit mad, but the truth is, most of us fully expected to lose this one.

We failed on the recruitment side and versus night cappers, we are at the mercy of the third server slowing them down, it has nothing to do with WvW when we dont even have enough WvW players 75% of the time.

If accepting our fate comes off as being “sore losers” then so be it. It’s not like I dislike DH since the hackers left, I even keep telling Anet to merge our servers! It should really come off as being desperate for coverage more than anything else; we are.

Sorry, I don’t count blaming black friday as accepting your fate (an exaggeration, but you get the picture). Tons of excuses flew all over that previous thread. I’m sorry but you guys showed up in force on reset night (maybe not at max but pretty close, you definitely had 2 queues, probably had 3, and almost had 4) and we beat you. That means there is no excuse to be made for why you’re losing, only excuses to be made for why you’re losing so bad. We beat you on your prime time when you have pretty strong participation.

So making excuses like “we have sucky coverage” won’t cut it, they’re just excuses to avoid stating the fact that we beat you at your game. If you don’t see many of these posts kitten being sore losers, that’s fine. I’m not trying to convict you/be rude. I’m really just stating my opinion since I’m responding to a guy who called my guild out.

Jeknar.6184:

CAPT wheat roll.5743:

Im just gonna sit over here on AR…fighting GoM and DR…in first place…first time since March 24th…

GoM is problably being “Fractured” atm… It happened a lot in the past on other major PvE events. I won’t be surprised if even DR surpass GoM this week.

AR is a lot different, trust me. We recently fought them and they put up a serious fight. Totally different server. I’m not at all surprised they’re giving GoM a run for their money.

Dreadforce.6980:

Why do you ANBU guys seem so angry? In a few more days no of this will matter the people who fought each week should be proud and I hope they are having fun. When people get the rewards most pve players who started playing will be happy and stay and get better or feel it was a waste and never come back.

All servers say the same thing they win its all skill they lose its insert reason here.

What gives you the impression we’re angry lol? I’m really disappointed in SF for being pretty sore losers, and that’s really annoying considering the amount of effort we put into this. If that annoyance comes across as anger, sorry.

Manoa.5897:

Since our previous thread got locked, starting a new one. If you’re not involved this match-up, please do not post in this match-up thread. Post in your own match-up thread instead.

But without HoD’s forum warriors, our forum coverage is too weak to compete with SF ):. NOT FAIR.

To start the thread off on the positive note, I’m enjoying this match. With FC in our previous matchup, we may have beaten the by less than we’re beating SF, but that’s because we never really felt threatened/cared to try. We didn’t stay on our toes cus we were confident (perhaps overly confident). If you get too confident with SF, keeps get taken. You guys keep us on our toes. Good match so far IMO.

Gman.3789:

Adaxia.5406:

Reaper.1748:

So lemme see, what this Darkhaven stepping their game up is about…. Hmmmm oh I see it, they’ve built more arrowcarts in their keeps, and more field ACs.

In all seriousness it isn’t a step up, its a sad spectacle, there is a reason I’d take another week of HoD over Darkhaven, you wanna know the difference? HoD actually, I dunno… fought, didn’t matter we were losing, they were winning, they fought us. Didn’t try any bullkitten field siege.

I miss having those fights with VLK or MU on any given night, and actually being fought with, not seeing twenty nameplates retreat into a tower.

And while the last thing I expected was those two guilds really even caring much about the match-up, their presence is interested in any regard.

I dunno I just loved how Darkhaven wanted to say they’ve stepped their game up, when I’ve had better fights with ET’s groups than Darkhaven, so step up or step down? And this is in all disregard for PPT, cause in Coverage Wars 2 its a fools game.

You can say we didn’t step our game up all you want, doesn’t make it true. You are having better fights with ET because you two are fielding a more balanced number of players, its hard to have a good fight when its just us running over you over and over with a 700 ppt.

Anecdotally, every DH group I’ve faced this week of measurable size has quite literally provided about as much resistance as butter does to a knife.

Also, lol @ Anet spending more time policing the forums than addressing their broken game mecahnics.

If you were beating us on reset night in battles, why did we beat you on reset night? Sorry, your anecdotes may suggest one thing but kind of hard to argue against results, such as us consistently dominated EB (which you’re probably queuing, thereby making our numbers even).

Banzie.5248:

Arius.7031:

Banzie.5248:

apapercut.4312:

Is anybody else surprised by the DH/SF matchup this week? Some points

1) SF beat DH in their first match http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/45/115

2) HoD beat DH in their first match by about 65k http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/28/119

3) HoD beat SF in their first match by only about 50k (and subjectively it really was our toughest fight) http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/28/121

I was expecting SF to beat DH. But as of right now DH has a healthy lead. What’s going on? Is DH just hungrier?

Night Capping. Nuff Said.

Dude, we have beat them during prime time 3 out of 4 nights it has been going…

http://www.gw2score.com/server/Darkhaven

Scroll down to the bottom and check point averages. We beat them on reset night during prime time.

Still the largest point gain is outside of NA prime. You may beat them in prime but outside you roflstomp them in ppt pretty much. Which is where a majority of your points come from. Not to hate on DH or anything props to you for beating them in prime but overnight is a lot if your lead.

It’s true lol. Just informing folks that we’re beating them during the day AND the night, not just the night ^^.

Banzie.5248:

apapercut.4312:

Is anybody else surprised by the DH/SF matchup this week? Some points

1) SF beat DH in their first match http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/45/115

2) HoD beat DH in their first match by about 65k http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/28/119

3) HoD beat SF in their first match by only about 50k (and subjectively it really was our toughest fight) http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/28/121

I was expecting SF to beat DH. But as of right now DH has a healthy lead. What’s going on? Is DH just hungrier?

Night Capping. Nuff Said.

Dude, we have beat them during prime time 3 out of 4 nights it has been going…

http://www.gw2score.com/server/Darkhaven

Scroll down to the bottom and check point averages. We beat them on reset night during prime time, and average (I kid you not) 100-200 PPT lead during prime time over SF.

Reaper.1748:

So lemme see, what this Darkhaven stepping their game up is about…. Hmmmm oh I see it, they’ve built more arrowcarts in their keeps, and more field ACs.

In all seriousness it isn’t a step up, its a sad spectacle, there is a reason I’d take another week of HoD over Darkhaven, you wanna know the difference? HoD actually, I dunno… fought, didn’t matter we were losing, they were winning, they fought us. Didn’t try any bullkitten field siege.

I miss having those fights with VLK or MU on any given night, and actually being fought with, not seeing twenty nameplates retreat into a tower.

And while the last thing I expected was those two guilds really even caring much about the match-up, their presence is interested in any regard.

I dunno I just loved how Darkhaven wanted to say they’ve stepped their game up, when I’ve had better fights with ET’s groups than Darkhaven, so step up or step down? And this is in all disregard for PPT, cause in Coverage Wars 2 its a fools game.

I don’t think even one person said Dh has gotten much better in a fight, you need to learn to read. We said we’ve improved in organization on a strategic scale (what to take, when to defend, etc…) and we’ve improved in participation. I think the fact that we had EQUAL or LESSER numbers to you on reset night shows that you’re not out of our league. As a reminder, you have never had the lead in this matchup, even on reset night. We know for a fact that you queued 2 maps (as one guy admitted it) and I strongly suspect you also queued Dh BL or close to it.

Keep the trash talking up. We’ll let our victory over you on reset night speak for itself.