Guild Wars 2

King Amadaeus.8619:

Arius.7031:

I am roamer, it’s just a fact. I’m also a ppt gazer, and not ashamed of it rofl.

ox·y·mo·ron noun \?äk-s?-?mo?r-?än\
: a combination of words that have opposite or very different meanings

Lol, cute, but that is in no way an oxymoron. A roamer can play for PPT, and I never said that I personally play for PPT.

Good try though.

We’re coming for you FC.

http://dhts.tk/dance.gif

King Amadaeus.8619:

Arius.7031:

King Amadaeus.8619:

SF actually has many good roamers, I am sorry you are having trouble finding them…Perhaps if you zerglings gave the PVdoor a break they might be more noticeable in the sea of bags you are following.

Lol you really hate Dh don’t ya? Sorry about what we did to you at the end of bronze league. Clearly that was quite traumatizing.

Another self-proclaimed roamer talking of ppt….typical DH…

Lol you reallllllyyyyyyy hate Dh, don’t you? Yikes.

I am roamer, it’s just a fact. I’m also a ppt gazer, and not ashamed of it rofl.

King Amadaeus.8619:

SF actually has many good roamers, I am sorry you are having trouble finding them…Perhaps if you zerglings gave the PVdoor a break they might be more noticeable in the sea of bags you are following.

Lol you really hate Dh don’t ya? Sorry about what we did to you at the end of bronze league. Clearly that was quite traumatizing.

melodey.4652:

Solstice.1097:

melodey.4652:

Solstice.1097:

You had the same match last week and it was closer. So did my matchup and it was closer too. The losing servers don’t try as hard when you keep getting rematches. It’s just a fact.

We’ve played against SF for the last 5 weeks, and they beat us the first two. By that logic DH should have just rolled over and be crying in our pillows by now.

nah when at least 1 server in the match changes its enough for people to regain interest for reset, and if reset goes well that interest carries through.

The week we won, that third week, we were actually losing the entire week until we kicked it into overdrive and started winning on Thursday. Your generalized assumptions might work for FC, but Darkhaven never has been a reset server. Losing makes us work harder. Losing our guilds made us work harder. When SF first entered T5 and kicked our teeth in for three days, we stepped it up and kicked back harder. I know PvEers who pulled all nighters to help us pull out some wins against you guys. We’re not perfect, we’re not as coordinated or as skilled as some servers, but we have made a habit of not backing down, and those that did have all left by now (and in some cases, transferred there and back again). We accomplish what we do with Pug commanders, PvX guilds, and only a handful of small WvW guilds. None of our guilds are as large as [LORD], [ZoS], [CoSa], or even [EDGE], but we have a lot of people who like the good fight and don’t give up in the face of a red sea. And we’ve been accumulating former DH again, now that the luster of season one (yay blues and greens) and transferring2win is over. We -are- getting better, despite it all.

QFT.

Dh isn’t like other servers. We may sound like romantic dreamers getting all sappy on everyone, but every word of this is true.

Solstice.1097:

melodey.4652:

Solstice.1097:

You had the same match last week and it was closer. So did my matchup and it was closer too. The losing servers don’t try as hard when you keep getting rematches. It’s just a fact.

We’ve played against SF for the last 5 weeks, and they beat us the first two. By that logic DH should have just rolled over and be crying in our pillows by now.

nah when at least 1 server in the match changes its enough for people to regain interest for reset, and if reset goes well that interest carries through.

I may be misunderstanding but Dh has done horribly on every reset so far. Like, horribly, lol.

Tuluum.9638:

Darkhaven is the bestest, and all other servers smell funny.

/thread

You can’t post on the forums until you play more often. That’s officially an unofficial rule for these forums. So start playing more often buddy, or else!

On a more substantive note, I think the more enjoyable part of the night was what happened after 695 ppt. The yak zerg was absolutely beautiful…

King Amadaeus.8619:

Arius.7031:

King Amadaeus.8619:

Arius.7031:

Regardless, SF isn’t exactly the nicest server we’ve ever played against… so you’ll excuse me if I don’t care at all about demoralizing them. They’ve put us at 0 or close to 0 ppt enough times for it to be okay for us to do it to them one time.

I had to LOL at this bigtime friend…Keep zerging for that ppt crown!

And what was there to lol about? SF has put us at near/absolute 0 PPT multiple times so I fail to see why it’s mean of us to do the same thing to poor little SF.

I am sorry I shouldn’t have said anything, I do not want to take up any more of your valuable time that could be spent on siege. (likely an arrowcart)

Putting people at 0 PPT, with superior off-peak coverage is totally fine…Making a thread about it, and then getting defensive when people poke fun is where the err is made.

Lol I mostly roam dude, I’m like never on AC’s. Regardless I think your definition of “poking fun” is odd if this constitutes “poking fun”:

The fact that you had a blast while doing PvDoor makes you the poster child for what is wrong in this game.

If you were referring to your own comment, I wasn’t being defensive, I was just replying lol.

King Amadaeus.8619:

Arius.7031:

Regardless, SF isn’t exactly the nicest server we’ve ever played against… so you’ll excuse me if I don’t care at all about demoralizing them. They’ve put us at 0 or close to 0 ppt enough times for it to be okay for us to do it to them one time.

I had to LOL at this bigtime friend…Keep zerging for that ppt crown!

And what was there to lol about? SF has put us at near/absolute 0 PPT multiple times so I fail to see why it’s mean of us to do the same thing to poor little SF.

Jaxs.5830:

Arius.7031:

Why is it that someone who plays for PPT is playing the game wrong? Are games not for fun, and is it not legitimate to play for PPT if it is fun for you? It seems to me that, if anything, YOU are the poster child for what is wrong in this game. That is to say, people who demand you play their way or that you’re doing something bad/wrong etc…

Did I say anything at all about PPT? Are you seriously saying with a an almost 100k lead on thursday, you are playing for PPT when you paint the map? What is wrong is painting the map knowing it demoralizes your opponent. What is wrong is then coming here to brag about it. There is a difference in pride of outplaying your opponents and in simply outnumbering them.

We are playing for PPT, yes, as we’re trying to move into t5. We’re hopeful that we have the coverage necessary to compete there. Literally, tons of people on Darkhaven in WvW have been talking for 2 weeks about how much they want to move up again. Thus, it’s not surprising that we’re being tryhard and trying to make as many points as we can.

Regardless, SF isn’t exactly the nicest server we’ve ever played against… so you’ll excuse me if I don’t care at all about demoralizing them. They’ve put us at 0 or close to 0 ppt enough times for it to be okay for us to do it to them one time.

Jaxs.5830:

Arius.7031:

Jaxs.5830:

The only way to do that is through PvDoor. The fact that you had a blast while doing PvDoor makes you the poster child for what is wrong in this game.

Actually, my guild group had to hold off NSP at north camp that outnumbered us 3-1 at least. The fun wasn’t in PvD, it was in the scramble to whack-a-mole, so to speak, as they were constantly flipping camps and we were constantly trying to retake/defend camps.

We also fielded a yak zerg in EB. Now THAT was fun.

Yes the score of that match indicates strongly that there is a lot of 3-1 going on, just not Darkhaven being the 1. You massively outnumber the other servers in your matchup, bragging about it makes you kitten.

Right, we outnumber them so bad, that’s why SF has beaten us multiple times! We have better coverage, that’s why we’ve been winning lately, not cus we vastly outnumber them. They outnumber us during the day when they try, but our night crew has really discouraged their servers. Neither is showing up with nearly as much force as they could.

As to the maturity of this thread, you def have a point. I’m not defending the thread, merely saying you’re wrong on a lot of things.

Jaxs.5830:

The only way to do that is through PvDoor. The fact that you had a blast while doing PvDoor makes you the poster child for what is wrong in this game.

Actually, my guild group had to hold off NSP at north camp that outnumbered us 3-1 at least. The fun wasn’t in PvD, it was in the scramble to whack-a-mole, so to speak, as they were constantly flipping camps and we were constantly trying to retake/defend camps.

We also fielded a yak zerg in EB. Now THAT was fun.

Edit: Also, FTR, I find it funny that you claim to have a monopoly on what is “right” for the game. Why is it that someone who plays for PPT is playing the game wrong? Are games not for fun, and is it not legitimate to play for PPT if it is fun for you? It seems to me that, if anything, YOU are the poster child for what is wrong in this game. That is to say, people who demand you play their way or that you’re doing something bad/wrong etc…

Roaming in upper tiers, from what I hear, is absolutely miserable. Of course the answer is transfer to Darkhaven, but if you won’t do that then go FC.

I’m fairly optimistic that EoTM will be good fun every here and there but not have a long term draw that WvW provides (server competition). Thus, it’ll be there for people who want fun, but won’t affect the overall performance of servers too much save for when it first releases.

That said, I’m still worried. Darkhaven is trying to rise up atm and the potential for it adversely affecting our pop is a scary thought.

Darkhaven is doing fine, great even. Bounced back after a horribly depressing set of matchups.

Okay so medals represent where a server has placed, correct? Your chart says Dh has 1 bronze medal post league, but every match we’ve been in we’ve been 1st or 2nd (we’ve not gotten third since before leagues). My bad if it’s a misunderstanding.

Oh man I want to face FC again… They may be the only ones to match our coverage. GoM/AR are cool servers too, would love to fight them. SF PLEASE NOOOOOOOOOOOO

5 weeks of SF Of all t6/7 servers we could get stuck with, naturally, we would get SF. Sigh….

Give me FC/GoM/AR, any combination of three 3. I love those guys.

I would really like to not be fighting the same server again next week. Please ):

Just bring up the amount of points you get from killing people (NOT yaks and whatnot) and bring down ppt across the board. Make sure that both are still important, but that fights are viewed as more significant, maybe 40%+ of the overall points garnered in a match.

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

coglin.1867:

It is not a matter of if you have already won or not because they are fleeing. The issue is that they can flee in cases the other professions cannot, because the skills are gap closers intended for them to prevent others from fleeing. All of which they can do in builds that have the highest health pool, the highest armor, the highest health regen, high damage, and high CC.

they can flee, because their profession mechanics allow them to do so. did you forget that they are melee profession and require movement skills to get close to attack?

it is only very fair that they use those same movement skills to escape.
why must warriors stay and get killed when they can leave?

remember, while they are attempting escape with their movement skills, they are still susceptible to ranged attacks.

As you should know, gs 5/3 combo, unhindered, with no swiftness/25%, if you started running away at the same position your enemy is at, puts you at 1,550 distance from them. There are no attacks in this game that reach that far. Further, if a Warrior finds water nearby (and there often is in BLs of WvW for example), he can use spear skill 5 for another huge burst of speed.

As to why warriors should stay and die as opposed to running… because every other class has to. It’s not fair that Warrior equal to, or superior, combat capabilities AND the ability to run away. At least thieves pay a huge price for their ability (though Mesmer doesn’t, and that’s cus it’s a broken class).

Thematically, it also doesn’t fit with the class. This is a heavy armor class that is supposed to be the brutish type of class. Having tons of gap closers is fine, but thematically, running away whenever you’re low on HP just doesn’t fit. They’re not the fleeing type. It’s like an Engineer using magic, a Guardian using necromancy, etc…

Warrior balance is fine where it is, if not a little OP. The additional mobility is simply excessive and gives Warrior too many options. Either we need to lose something for it (a good bit of condi cleansing for example) or we need to lose it.

Excellent. Not everything was perfect, Kasmeer’s story felt out of the blue and it’s sort of odd that “jory” knew nothing of it. Still, I loved it, completely. Braham is a real bro, and if Rox decides to leave, he may have a new sidekick!

I think it’s just t6/7 being 2 very competitive tiers. Darkhaven has gotten many good matches as well. This matchup is the least competitive, but it’s not short on competition during primetime (when people go to sleep, Darkhaven throws a party).

I don’t think lich form needs any nerfs TBH. Even if this one aspect of Lich Form is OP, removing it would make it virtually useless compared to the other 2 amazing elites that necros have. Balance not only needs to take into account how other classes are affected, but how each individual skill matches up against alternatives.

Putting that aside, I don’t think it’s very OP. Lich form is a pretty huge trade off, a long cooldown you have no access to deathshroud or heal. The skill itself is easily dodged by backed up somewhere and strafing. Most of the other skills on lich are sub par outside of very specific situations.

TBH I think power necros are in a good place. It’s condi necros we need to be looking at.

The simple answer is “boons”. Guardians have high access to regeneration, protection, and aegis in both their weapons and their utilities. There’s a reason that Guard bunkers are still the top bunkers in SPvP, it’s cus even though we have low HP we have excellent damage mitigation and regeneration capabilities. If we had the Health a warrior does, or even mid tier health, that’d be pretty ridiculous given how good we already are at tanking.

I’m from Darkhaven and I have to agree with naphack here. As many people already know, Darkhaven player shave some experience with people leaving our server. We’ve had at least 2 great guild exoduses and we’re still pulling ourselves back up from it. Kaineng is going to have it rough, for a long time to go. But, how long have any servers stayed at t8 really? FC, ET, AR, Kaineng and DR have all spent a lot of time at t8. Each and every one of them, at one point or another, pulled themselves out of it after some time.

FC is comfortably resting in t6 as a fierce contender for top of t6 against Dh and NSP. AR just pulled itself up to T7 and is giving every server it fights a SERIOUS match. ET, at multiple points during a few weeks, was beating Darkhaven, and you can see that even after losing DI/BS they’re not exactly dead. DR may have fallen to 24th but only after climbing to 19th. I mean, you probably know the history of your own server. You guys were rank 24, and shot up to rank 4 at one point.

I really do suggest that you stick it out and try to improve your server. Kaineng, as most of us lower tier folks know, has a VERY strong night time/morning time presence, enough to dominate t8 uncontested and even give higher tier servers trouble. Building up an NA force is relatively easy on an NA server, having that coverage built into your server is an excellent starting point for improvement!

fellyn.5083:

Arius.7031:

fellyn.5083:

You put way to much meaning on the word hampering. But sure, lets remove a core trait from warriors because it’s doing exactly what it was designed to do. All because a bunch of whiners on the forums are complaining they are being denied their free warrior kills.

At the end of the day not a single person in this thread has provided a good reason why it needs to change other than “I think..”.

I see your point, but I think your entire case falls apart upon close inspection… Your retort always involves “free warrior kills”, but since when have warriors been considered free kills? Are they not considered, by any non-biased source, to be one of the strongest classes in the current meta? So how is getting a warrior down to low HP a “free warrior kill”? And if you say “well maybe you outnumber the warrior so it’s a free kill!”, that would apply to ANY class. Then, by your own logic, EVERY class should have huge mobility comparable to a Warrior’s.

Thus it seems your core response fails. No one is suggesting that warriors should be free kills, and warriors even with 0 battle movement are hardly free kills.

I also find it funny that you call this a “core trait” of warriors. In what sense is this a core trait? A very powerful trait, yes, but hardly core to Warrior. It’s extraneous, not part of the core Warrior experience.

Difference is I’m not arguing to take something away because I don’t like it.

I don’t think anyone’s argument amounts to “I don’t like it”. I think the case is more accurately summed up thusly:

Warriors are in a good enough place balance-wise that the additional mobility is not only uneeded, but indeed, overpowered. The Warrior’s natural tankiness, defensive utilities, high access to offensive boons, and extremely powerful condi cleansing/resistance combine to make the Warrior’s high mobility too much.

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

why are these people still complaining?

warriors has the best land speed, this is fact, will not change.
would you all warrior haters kindly please accept this fact and move on?

this is like,

“mesmer best illusions no balance”
“thieves best stealth no balance”
“necromancer best death shroud no balance”
“guardians best boons no balance”
“rangers best spirits no balance”
“engineers best condition damage no balance”
“elementalist best something no balance”

get over it already.
move on.

People have repeatedly mentioned that it’s the warrior’s huge access to mobility, natural tankiness, and huge condi cleansing all in conjunction that make it OP. Think about this for a moment, the toughest or 2nd toughest class in game also is the most capable at escaping a battle using mobility. That’s ridiculous design and we both know it.

Further, you just mentioned the defining characteristics of each class (mesmer illusions, guardian boons, necromancer deathshroud), and pretended that mobility for Warrior is comparable to these. I believe the staple of Warrior is its raw strength (both offensive and defense), which (in the way this intended) has NOTHING to do with mobility.

Every other class has serious disadvantages for their strengths (even Mesmers rofl). Guardian has the lowest vit pool in the game to compensate for its boons, as well as abnormally low damage. Necromancer cannot outrun anything for its deathshroud. Thieves die in 5 seconds when unstealthed. Etc… What is the compensation for Warrior?

Where is the SERIOUS weakness for the Warrior? You can say the War has little access to defensive boons, but I can say to compensate for that they have the highest Vit/tough in the game, as well as exceedingly strong defensive utilities/weapons (e.g. GS 3, shield 5, offensive damage mitigation in the form of stuns).

Also, not everyone who calls Warrior OP is a Warrior hater. I repeat, I have a level 80 warrior that is currently my most played class. I play it every day for hours, I LOVE this class. I’m no hater, I’m just not blind to my own class’s balance because I have multiple 80s and actually pay attention.

fellyn.5083:

You put way to much meaning on the word hampering. But sure, lets remove a core trait from warriors because it’s doing exactly what it was designed to do. All because a bunch of whiners on the forums are complaining they are being denied their free warrior kills.

At the end of the day not a single person in this thread has provided a good reason why it needs to change other than “I think..”.

I see your point, but I think your entire case falls apart upon close inspection… Your retort always involves “free warrior kills”, but since when have warriors been considered free kills? Are they not considered, by any non-biased source, to be one of the strongest classes in the current meta? So how is getting a warrior down to low HP a “free warrior kill”? And if you say “well maybe you outnumber the warrior so it’s a free kill!”, that would apply to ANY class. Then, by your own logic, EVERY class should have huge mobility comparable to a Warrior’s.

Thus it seems your core response fails. No one is suggesting that warriors should be free kills, and warriors even with 0 battle movement are hardly free kills.

I also find it funny that you call this a “core trait” of warriors. In what sense is this a core trait? A very powerful trait, yes, but hardly core to Warrior. It’s extraneous, not part of the core Warrior experience.

IFreedom.4637:

Arius.7031:

IFreedom.4637:

Since bloody everone here who seem to have problems about the kitten land speed of warriors have no idea what they are talking about. Heres a easy version for you chums.

I would assume u guys have problems with the full running warrior, in order to achieve this movement a war has to equip gs, swd/warhorn with bulls charge. In this setup a warior will have a hard time doing damage both with a group and solo, making it the easiest set up to fight. Sure he would run away at first signs of a loss but he would be of no danger to anyone even if the war is in full zerk. (If you have problems dueling this kind of warrior you do have to work on learning to fight better with your class.)

The seond most mobility set up is those with gs with any other weapon and bulls charge. This set up will have the warrior left with 2 utility slots. And if u see the war use bulls charge during the fight, only the gs will be left to escape (which I will get into later) even in this spec dd eles, thiefs and some mesmers are able to catch and kill this warrior.

That third most mobile warrior is those with only gs without bulls charge( the wepon set and utility I run the most) in this build most classes which pay attention to when the war draws out the greatsword and cc smartly would be able to catch and finish off the war.

Learn more before you go take a huge dump in the forum.

GS alone is more than enough to escape most situations, ftr. instantly making 1500 distance between yourself and your opponent, assuming you both start from the same location, is as far as the longest ranged attacks in the game (traited grenades/longbow). Also celestial warriors who use sword/gs are effective, not particularly so but it’s not weak.

I am not sure how other people fight warriors, but it certainly sounds like they face tank and do skill rotations without thinking. I roam on my guardian as well and when I see a war either turn or take out a gs I would use septer imob/ gs pull. I just hate how people think that range is everything for an escape, unlike shadow step/blink/rtl/lighting flash. A warrior’s escape are all prone to cc.
And please gs/swd warriors have joke damage. Damage yes but weak and easily kitable but then again people here seem to like eating hb to the face

Your GS pull has such a long delay that you cannot possibly react with it fast enough once a War goes to run. It’s simply not possible, and they will evade it if they use GS skill 3 to start instead of skill 5. If you use it predictively, at best you’ve stopped one of the wars escape moves (GS 5, almost certainly not GS 3 since that has an evade built into it). Thus, he still has the other to escape you with and can simply run away while using healing sig to outlast you.

The immob on scepter is easily waited out as there is literally no other control option for 1h weapons. Once scepter 3 has been used the warrior can safely escape without fear of being CC’d in any way.

Also, people here seem to be under the impression that GS is no longer a viable weapon for combat… that’s simply false. A GS warrior can do quite a bit of damage. In fact, most of the top warriors I know of in WvW roaming use GS/LB, and they do plenty of damage with both weapons.

Kargath.6598:

Arius.7031:

Kargath.6598:

Artaz.3819:

Arius.7031:

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

this is working as intended.
warriors are meant to be fast.
what is the problem?

do you remember that warriors have no direct access to:
- stealth
- illusions
- death shroud
- pets
- minions
- protection, aegis

warriors are balanced and not overpowered, it has been more than a year since launch, please accept that already.

Most other classes don’t have access to:

-Very strong heals
-Highest armor class
-Highest HP pool
-Immunity to condis/damage via stances (including shield stance)
-Utilities that can heal for 2k+ that also have strong utility aside from that

Etc… You forget that wars have access to defensive things that other classes do not. Before you “oh he’s just whining blah blah blah”, I have a level 80 warrior that I roam in WvW with quite a bit.

To be fair, could you list out everything that all other classes have for defense? We need a full list for comparability if you are going through with this argument. /tangent

warriors do not have strongest heals guardians do.

I said strong heals, not strongest, so you’ll need to go back and read my post again. And, Warriors do have stronger heal skills than Guardians. Guardians just have more skills that heal (shield 5, tons of utilities/traits). The actual healing skill Warrs have is stronger (E.g. Signet of Resolve Vs. Healing Surge). Healing Surge is 9,820 with 30 second CD, Signet of Resolve is 8,150 on a 40 second CD. Healing signet heals about double over 40 seconds what signet of resolve does, lol.

warriors do not have highest hp pools necroes do.

This is patently FALSE. Both classes have the exact same amount of HP. http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Health

When I said highest I took that into account, they do have the highest base HP, and so do necros. You, however, said Warrior does NOT have the highest hp pools.

every class in the game has utilities that heal on use, why dont you use yours?

Most are no where near as potent, and no not all classes do (Mesmer for example, IIRC, has none whatsoever).

it is not an IMMUNITY to conditions it is a condi cleanse its a big difference it takes up a utility slot and once used goes on cooldown.

Lol what? I’m talking about berserker’s stance…

THE ONLY THING THAT IS RIGHT IS THE ARMOR CLASS, AND WITHOUT ARMOR ITS NOT A WARRIOR ANY MORE ITS A THIEF.

Every single thing I said in there was entirely accurate, it is not open to dispute. One can say that, in spite of my list, other classes out-do warrior. That is open to dispute. The list itself is, however, completely accurate (or nearly so). On the other hand, you managed to make a mistake with every single response you made.

what class do you play just wondering

All my classes that are 80 are listed in my signature. Guardian (main), Warrior (2nd main), Necro (3rd), Mesmer (retired until they’re fixed, they’re ridiculously overpowered).

junho.7825:

IFreedom.4637:

Since bloody everone here who seem to have problems about the kitten land speed of warriors have no idea what they are talking about. Heres a easy version for you chums.

I would assume u guys have problems with the full running warrior, in order to achieve this movement a war has to equip gs, swd/warhorn with bulls charge. In this setup a warior will have a hard time doing damage both with a group and solo, making it the easiest set up to fight. Sure he would run away at first signs of a loss but he would be of no danger to anyone even if the war is in full zerk. (If you have problems dueling this kind of warrior you do have to work on learning to fight better with your class.)

The seond most mobility set up is those with gs with any other weapon and bulls charge. This set up will have the warrior left with 2 utility slots. And if u see the war use bulls charge during the fight, only the gs will be left to escape (which I will get into later) even in this spec dd eles, thiefs and some mesmers are able to catch and kill this warrior.

That third most mobile warrior is those with only gs without bulls charge( the wepon set and utility I run the most) in this build most classes which pay attention to when the war draws out the greatsword and cc smartly would be able to catch and finish off the war.

Learn more before you go take a huge dump in the forum.

Whenever you told that fact, ppl who are arguing nerf about warriors won’t listen you
They are just warrior haters

Right, cus most of us hate our own class. That’s it.

IFreedom.4637:

Since bloody everone here who seem to have problems about the kitten land speed of warriors have no idea what they are talking about. Heres a easy version for you chums.

I would assume u guys have problems with the full running warrior, in order to achieve this movement a war has to equip gs, swd/warhorn with bulls charge. In this setup a warior will have a hard time doing damage both with a group and solo, making it the easiest set up to fight. Sure he would run away at first signs of a loss but he would be of no danger to anyone even if the war is in full zerk. (If you have problems dueling this kind of warrior you do have to work on learning to fight better with your class.)

The seond most mobility set up is those with gs with any other weapon and bulls charge. This set up will have the warrior left with 2 utility slots. And if u see the war use bulls charge during the fight, only the gs will be left to escape (which I will get into later) even in this spec dd eles, thiefs and some mesmers are able to catch and kill this warrior.

That third most mobile warrior is those with only gs without bulls charge( the wepon set and utility I run the most) in this build most classes which pay attention to when the war draws out the greatsword and cc smartly would be able to catch and finish off the war.

Learn more before you go take a huge dump in the forum.

GS alone is more than enough to escape most situations, ftr. instantly making 1500 distance between yourself and your opponent, assuming you both start from the same location, is as far as the longest ranged attacks in the game (traited grenades/longbow). Also celestial warriors who use sword/gs are effective, not particularly so but it’s not weak.

junho.7825:

LOL, I really hoped someone didn’t come up with the highest HP with armor thing about warriors. Those are CHARACTERISTICS OF PROFESSIONS.

Anet, I will give you a great idea about this statement. Just delete all of professions and give only one which can use all of weapon types and 30/30/30/30/30 traits with the same utilities. So many ppl here who doesn’t accept the difference of professions are QQing about warriors on this forum. or.. just make this as “how can we nerf warriors? so we can get free kills as warriors were used to be ^^”

I believe the characteristics of each given profession are, in fact, what make it overpowered/underpowered. The Mesmer clones (a characteristic of said profession) make them very OP in duels. More correctly, the way that characteristic interacts with others is what makes them OP.

Again, closing your mind off and pretending that nothing can be wrong with your class is not the answer. I play a Warrior just as most other people here do. Warriors are overpowered in a lot of different ways, it’s time people start accepting that fact and discussing where the issue lies rather than if it exists or not. It does, it is, we are OP and we’re too easy for how strong we are. That’s the way it is.

Kargath.6598:

Artaz.3819:

Arius.7031:

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

this is working as intended.
warriors are meant to be fast.
what is the problem?

do you remember that warriors have no direct access to:
- stealth
- illusions
- death shroud
- pets
- minions
- protection, aegis

warriors are balanced and not overpowered, it has been more than a year since launch, please accept that already.

Most other classes don’t have access to:

-Very strong heals
-Highest armor class
-Highest HP pool
-Immunity to condis/damage via stances (including shield stance)
-Utilities that can heal for 2k+ that also have strong utility aside from that

Etc… You forget that wars have access to defensive things that other classes do not. Before you “oh he’s just whining blah blah blah”, I have a level 80 warrior that I roam in WvW with quite a bit.

To be fair, could you list out everything that all other classes have for defense? We need a full list for comparability if you are going through with this argument. /tangent

warriors do not have strongest heals guardians do.

I said strong heals, not strongest, so you’ll need to go back and read my post again. And, Warriors do have stronger heal skills than Guardians. Guardians just have more skills that heal (shield 5, tons of utilities/traits). The actual healing skill Warrs have is stronger (E.g. Signet of Resolve Vs. Healing Surge). Healing Surge is 9,820 with 30 second CD, Signet of Resolve is 8,150 on a 40 second CD. Healing signet heals about double over 40 seconds what signet of resolve does, lol.

warriors do not have highest hp pools necroes do.

This is patently FALSE. Both classes have the exact same amount of HP. http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Health

When I said highest I took that into account, they do have the highest base HP, and so do necros. You, however, said Warrior does NOT have the highest hp pools.

every class in the game has utilities that heal on use, why dont you use yours?

Most are no where near as potent, and no not all classes do (Mesmer for example, IIRC, has none whatsoever).

it is not an IMMUNITY to conditions it is a condi cleanse its a big difference it takes up a utility slot and once used goes on cooldown.

Lol what? I’m talking about berserker’s stance…

THE ONLY THING THAT IS RIGHT IS THE ARMOR CLASS, AND WITHOUT ARMOR ITS NOT A WARRIOR ANY MORE ITS A THIEF.

Every single thing I said in there was entirely accurate, it is not open to dispute. One can say that, in spite of my list, other classes out-do warrior. That is open to dispute. The list itself is, however, completely accurate (or nearly so). On the other hand, you managed to make a mistake with every single response you made.

silentnight warrior.2714:

Arius.7031:

silentnight warrior.2714:

Arius.7031:

silentnight warrior.2714:

Arlette.9684:

silentnight warrior.2714:

Arlette.9684:

Artaz.3819:

The problem is removing Warrior mobility is how do you also solve for Warriors keeping other players in melee combat range too? Would you prefer Warriors having hard CC and/or spammable movement impairing conditions on every weapon?

I know my answer. Two sides to the coin.

Guardian doesn’t have soft CC or spammable impairing conditions on any weapon and their mechanics work like RTL. What’s your point? Are you saying they need to give Guardian a spammable impairing conditions on every weapon so they can stick on target?

Guardian have very good GAP CLOSERS on sword and gs. There is a huge diference between landspeed movement and combat movement. There are classes way more efective in combat movement and less efective in landspeed movement (comparing to warrior).

Now there is a class that have the best combat movement and the best (or second best) landscape movement. Cannot remember the class name right now…
Thi… Thi…
Nevermind…
Tomorrow i will remember.

You just said it, I took the liberty of highlighting it, gap closers not free ride to Japan and back at light speed. The fact is that Warriors have too many options with their so called “gap closers”, the term itself suggests you will be running TO and not running FROM.

Yes… I´m glad because you get the point.

There is a diference in combat movement and landspeed movement. Warriors have better landspeed and worst combat movement. It would be unbalanced if they had both. But they not. A nerf to landspeed movement will lead to a buff to combat movement.

Warriors have better “in combat” movement than guardians. Guardians have 3 gap closers (1 being a utility). Warriors have 2 gap closers on one weapon (a 1200 range and a 450 ranger), 1 on another weapon (600 range on very short cd), and a utility with 900 range. You can make the argument that thieves have better in combat movement than wars, but that’s just 1 class. No other class in the game comes close to warriors/thieves in ability to close the gap.

Yes you are right. Warrior as more access to gap closers than guardian.
Guardian gap closeres are more efective as gap closers (in combat). Warriors can use theirs to gap closer but they are unreliable to hit unlike guardian. In combat (no runs), guardian gap closers are way more efective than warrior ones.

How are they more effective? GS skill 5 messes up quite a bit to be fair, but it still does close the gap even if you miss the attack itself. GS skill 3 has to be aimed but it never messes up, it does great damage, and it evades. Sword skill 2 works like guardian GS skill 3 except it’s shorter but on shorter cooldown. I do not see how the Guardian ones are superior.

To be clear here, idk if you actually play Guardian a lot. My main is a Guard and my 2nd is a Warrior. I know that Warrior GS skill 5 can get messed up, but it still works as a gap closer even if not always as an attack. Another HUGE issue is 2/3 guard gap closers must have a target (sword 2, and judge’s intervention). You don’t need a target for any warrior ones. This means you can use warrior ones to catch targets you know general location of but are stealthed; you can use it to get AHEAD of running opponents; you can use them to place your character in optimum position; and finally can use them to run.

The warrior ones provide superior gap closing functionality (esp considering you have two tied to one single weapon, whereas guard has to take 1h and 2h swords), and they have far more utility in general.

They are more efective because they are ports (with the exception of leap of faith). You can ignore movement control efects, wells and traps between doing those skills and they are instant.

In combat situation guardian is better but in land movement warrior is better.

Warrior’s very strong condi cleansing that is available to 90% of war builds counters movement impeding condis, and the fact that we have multiple traits that directly counter movement impeding condis. Simply put, 95% of the time, a gap closer is not going to be messed up by condis while playing a warrior.

Also, most guardians do not run meditations (PvE, zergs, and team roaming highly favor shouts). The fact that the only way Guard can compete with war is by running their only 2 weapons with mobility AND a lesser utilitized set of utilities is sort of sad if you think about it. Even then guard would have a hard time gap closing as well as a War who only uses GS.

Artaz.3819:

Arius.7031:

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

this is working as intended.
warriors are meant to be fast.
what is the problem?

do you remember that warriors have no direct access to:
- stealth
- illusions
- death shroud
- pets
- minions
- protection, aegis

warriors are balanced and not overpowered, it has been more than a year since launch, please accept that already.

Most other classes don’t have access to:

-Very strong heals
-Highest armor class
-Highest HP pool
-Immunity to condis/damage via stances (including shield stance)
-Utilities that can heal for 2k+ that also have strong utility aside from that

Etc… You forget that wars have access to defensive things that other classes do not. Before you “oh he’s just whining blah blah blah”, I have a level 80 warrior that I roam in WvW with quite a bit.

To be fair, could you list out everything that all other classes have for defense? We need a full list for comparability if you are going through with this argument. /tangent

No lol, that would take forever. Besides, I’m just answering the all too common response “but wars don’t have access to x!”. It’s a copout, every class has access to a bunch of defensive things, every single one. Warrior is no exception. Not only is it no exception, there is a very good reason why it’s considered one of the best defensive classes in the game… because it has very strong defensive capabilities compared to other classes.

silentnight warrior.2714:

Arius.7031:

silentnight warrior.2714:

Arlette.9684:

silentnight warrior.2714:

Arlette.9684:

Artaz.3819:

The problem is removing Warrior mobility is how do you also solve for Warriors keeping other players in melee combat range too? Would you prefer Warriors having hard CC and/or spammable movement impairing conditions on every weapon?

I know my answer. Two sides to the coin.

Guardian doesn’t have soft CC or spammable impairing conditions on any weapon and their mechanics work like RTL. What’s your point? Are you saying they need to give Guardian a spammable impairing conditions on every weapon so they can stick on target?

Guardian have very good GAP CLOSERS on sword and gs. There is a huge diference between landspeed movement and combat movement. There are classes way more efective in combat movement and less efective in landspeed movement (comparing to warrior).

Now there is a class that have the best combat movement and the best (or second best) landscape movement. Cannot remember the class name right now…
Thi… Thi…
Nevermind…
Tomorrow i will remember.

You just said it, I took the liberty of highlighting it, gap closers not free ride to Japan and back at light speed. The fact is that Warriors have too many options with their so called “gap closers”, the term itself suggests you will be running TO and not running FROM.

Yes… I´m glad because you get the point.

There is a diference in combat movement and landspeed movement. Warriors have better landspeed and worst combat movement. It would be unbalanced if they had both. But they not. A nerf to landspeed movement will lead to a buff to combat movement.

Warriors have better “in combat” movement than guardians. Guardians have 3 gap closers (1 being a utility). Warriors have 2 gap closers on one weapon (a 1200 range and a 450 ranger), 1 on another weapon (600 range on very short cd), and a utility with 900 range. You can make the argument that thieves have better in combat movement than wars, but that’s just 1 class. No other class in the game comes close to warriors/thieves in ability to close the gap.

Yes you are right. Warrior as more access to gap closers than guardian.
Guardian gap closeres are more efective as gap closers (in combat). Warriors can use theirs to gap closer but they are unreliable to hit unlike guardian. In combat (no runs), guardian gap closers are way more efective than warrior ones.

How are they more effective? GS skill 5 messes up quite a bit to be fair, but it still does close the gap even if you miss the attack itself. GS skill 3 has to be aimed but it never messes up, it does great damage, and it evades. Sword skill 2 works like guardian GS skill 3 except it’s shorter but on shorter cooldown. I do not see how the Guardian ones are superior.

To be clear here, idk if you actually play Guardian a lot. My main is a Guard and my 2nd is a Warrior. I know that Warrior GS skill 5 can get messed up, but it still works as a gap closer even if not always as an attack. Another HUGE issue is 2/3 guard gap closers must have a target (sword 2, and judge’s intervention). You don’t need a target for any warrior ones. This means you can use warrior ones to catch targets you know general location of but are stealthed; you can use it to get AHEAD of running opponents; you can use them to place your character in optimum position; and finally can use them to run.

The warrior ones provide superior gap closing functionality (esp considering you have two tied to one single weapon, whereas guard has to take 1h and 2h swords), and they have far more utility in general.

silentnight warrior.2714:

Arlette.9684:

silentnight warrior.2714:

Arlette.9684:

Artaz.3819:

The problem is removing Warrior mobility is how do you also solve for Warriors keeping other players in melee combat range too? Would you prefer Warriors having hard CC and/or spammable movement impairing conditions on every weapon?

I know my answer. Two sides to the coin.

Guardian doesn’t have soft CC or spammable impairing conditions on any weapon and their mechanics work like RTL. What’s your point? Are you saying they need to give Guardian a spammable impairing conditions on every weapon so they can stick on target?

Guardian have very good GAP CLOSERS on sword and gs. There is a huge diference between landspeed movement and combat movement. There are classes way more efective in combat movement and less efective in landspeed movement (comparing to warrior).

Now there is a class that have the best combat movement and the best (or second best) landscape movement. Cannot remember the class name right now…
Thi… Thi…
Nevermind…
Tomorrow i will remember.

You just said it, I took the liberty of highlighting it, gap closers not free ride to Japan and back at light speed. The fact is that Warriors have too many options with their so called “gap closers”, the term itself suggests you will be running TO and not running FROM.

Yes… I´m glad because you get the point.

There is a diference in combat movement and landspeed movement. Warriors have better landspeed and worst combat movement. It would be unbalanced if they had both. But they not. A nerf to landspeed movement will lead to a buff to combat movement.

Warriors have better “in combat” movement than guardians. Guardians have 3 gap closers (1 being a utility). Warriors have 2 gap closers on one weapon (a 1200 range and a 450 ranger), 1 on another weapon (600 range on very short cd), and a utility with 900 range. You can make the argument that thieves have better in combat movement than wars, but that’s just 1 class. No other class in the game comes close to warriors/thieves in ability to close the gap.

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

this is working as intended.
warriors are meant to be fast.
what is the problem?

do you remember that warriors have no direct access to:
- stealth
- illusions
- death shroud
- pets
- minions
- protection, aegis

warriors are balanced and not overpowered, it has been more than a year since launch, please accept that already.

Most other classes don’t have access to:

-Very strong heals
-Highest armor class
-Highest HP pool
-Immunity to condis/damage via stances (including shield stance)
-Utilities that can heal for 2k+ that also have strong utility aside from that

Etc… You forget that wars have access to defensive things that other classes do not. Before you “oh he’s just whining blah blah blah”, I have a level 80 warrior that I roam in WvW with quite a bit.

Lol, people wonder why blackgate is one of the most hated servers in the world…

Actium.8765:

Ah i didn’t did i…. Sorry it was pretty late when I was typing this out cause i stayed up pretty late so eb and our bl would have a commander. lol

Betrayal can never be forgiven. ~Templar

(bump)

You no include anbu ): </3.

Bump for great justice.

borrok.9267:

Arius.7031:

ET, lol. GG. You may have secured the match for SF this morning. We take SF’s EB keep, you golem rush our BL. We woulda have papered everything of SF’s. But nah, had to try to stop your golem rush. Lost bay, eventually lost garry, lost SM, lost EB keep. Ugh.

I like ET more and more as these matches go on lol

I gotta admit, I really respect ET for that show lol. They know they’re almost certainly not going to win in the end against our blobs, but they have the guts to hit us (the strongest server at the time) hard. Props.

ET, lol. GG. You may have secured the match for SF this morning. We take SF’s EB keep, you golem rush our BL. We woulda have papered everything of SF’s. But nah, had to try to stop your golem rush. Lost bay, eventually lost garry, lost SM, lost EB keep. Ugh.

Stop calling them cowardly trolls for two ports and suddenly it’s a love affair x.×...

<3 Jeknar and Belle.

So anyone from SF/ET care to guess what is happening? I have not seen a reduction in SF numbers at all (dominant zerg in EB, COSA+King+Lord mega blob in SF BL fighting outnumbered VoC+LoL group). So why are we keeping so close now? Am I wrong and you guys do have way less, or do we just have way more? Would be kind of weird if holidays hurt us that much more than it hurt you, but I suppose anything is possible.

You can definitely see a reduction in posts in most threads, so either most matchups are dead or it’s the forum itself. I’m not posting so much because the forum is just going to go away anyways lol.

Indeed. all is vain

Hi again :/. I hope for a good week roaming with ET and zerging with SF, lol.

Might just be SF fielding less. Without them to counter us in EB we have more people free to attack other BLs and guard our own.

Twas indeed a blast. See, BS ain’t all jerks Belle :P.