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Haven’t played this game seriously in a long time, but I still find time to check back in on my sweet baby Darkhaven. Best server I’ve ever played on in a video game period. It has it’s ups and downs like any community, but it has an amazing core of people.

Also hi all!

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.. Maybe server pride doesn’t exist on the low-tier garbage servers, but in the secure, high-ranking servers (Tiers 1 and 2), it’s definitely a thing. Even if we do have problems with certain Alliances hopping around and trashing the place for everyone else.

Um what? Low tier “garbage” servers are the ones most well known FOR their community and server pride. That’s why 99% of the people in the low tier “garbage” servers stick around. Having seen your t1 “community”, you may have some loyalists, but relatively the server loyality is FAR stronger in lower/mid tiers. Your servers are filled to the absolute brim with people who will transfer off the second the action changes.

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First problem I see is that you think server pride is a real thing. Anet reserves the right to shut down any server they want at any time – you better get used to having more of a guild pride or something like that because the server system as we knew has changed and will continue to change. I’ve transferred servers more times that I can even remember at this point, its been at least 16 times between my 2 accounts, I have no “server pride” because it is hard to be “proud” of a server who lost all of its people and dropped to being one of the lowest ranked servers lol.

Like someone else above said, it sounds like you just enjoyed the PvDoor and now you can’t do that – sorry for your loss.

“I don’t care for server pride, therefore it doesn’t exist” (basically your point, which is terrible)

Time for people to remember you can enjoy the same thing for different reasons. Server pride has existed on Darkhaven (as an example) for years, tons of old vets still around, still coming out to see the old friends and make the same old jokes we’ve been making since launch. If YOU haven’t experienced that personally, that’s your problem, don’t project your issues onto others and say it doesn’t exist anymore.

Also the changes to servers haven’t gotten rid of server pride, you’re still with all your old server mates and servers are still distinct even if they’re joined temporarily. That doesn’t mean server pride evaporates or has no place.

Stop being THAT guy who decides he doesn’t like or enjoy a certain thing and says that therefore nobody else can. It’s silly.

Also liking small scale combat, or a focus on community over tryhard fitez tier (seeing as you’re apparently a Mag lover, I know, trying to understand that anyone else likes something different is probably confusing to you) in no way implies you only like mindless PvD. That’s, yet again, you projecting your own interpretation of how smaller WvW server’s individuals play/enjoy the game. Some do mindless empty map k-train, some don’t.

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SBI had a 1.6 kdr last week and almost as many kills as t2/3 servers, clearly they should be in the fights tier right mag? They had such a good kdr, after all.

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Yeah this is an unfortunate problem with server linking. Speaking as a member of Dh, I’m glad to have been paired with FC (as I have way too many friends on it), but it is sad that both of our playstyles really got destroyed by server linking itself. People aren’t realizing that t4/3 servers didn’t necessarily want to have the pop of t1/2 servers either lol, it’s not even just the low tiers. A lot of us enjoy it, granted, but a lot of us don’t too.

Tier 4 had a very balanced, casual, active playstyle. There were zerg fights during NA/EU, some during SEA, and roaming during OCX. It wasn’t completely dead, it had a nice balance. Currently, tier 4 has almost as many kills as t1 had pre server linking. That’s certainly not what a lot of lower tiers want, but that’s not necessarily what higher tier players want either. It’s all become so incredibly blobby. I have mixed feelings on it overall myself, but just wanted to share with people imo that the problem isn’t only for lower tier servers.

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….you know that universal queue is already solved in the form of eotm right?
your proposal is good but think of it this way, its a WvW 1.5 version not 2.0
why?
because, it would put again a wall on tiers, lock again each other servers to fight each other, PPT meta again will dominate……. bored players will slumber again on WvW and worst case, leave for good…

EotM is like putting on a band-aid when you catch the cold. EotM doesn’t sate my WvW itch because, even if theoretically it should work like WvW, it doesn’t. People don’t really like having to go to EotM generally, for good reason. This is further problematic when you factor in players who play for ppt or server loyalty, where EotM literally can’t give them what they want.

just give everybody a chance to meet everyone, i personally don’t want to be separated by tiers to meet some good people, before if you want that there’s a fee, but now its free

you see, everyone is being blind by not seeing the truth, they say that GW2 is Buy to play B2P, and it is also not Pay to Win P2W because there are no items that can be bought with cash that will have advantage of the others,

in order to win…. you must buy gems for the transfer to higher tiers
that is another form of P2W

I had plenty of fun when my server was low ranked, I don’t think being low ranked is necessarily bad. It can be for some, and there’s a completely optional solution to that, in transferring to more populated tiers.

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hmmm, i guess you didn’t read at all….
Calibration is the process of finding a relationship between two quantities that are unknown. (when the measurable quantities are not given a particular value for the amount considered or found a standard for the quantity)

you dont want a relationship between two worlds that are unknown to each other and probably never will on the old wvw system for free? lol (this is a joke but meaningful explanation)

Calibration is an intentional act, one that is not being undertaken… that’s my point. I understand what it is, I’m saying this isn’t calibration if I’m understanding what you’re saying properly (I know what calibration is, but that doesn’t mean I know what you mean by it). You link to wikipedia, and from that definition it doesn’t seem to apply here. ANet isn’t calibrating, they’re making a decision to pair up servers based on a specific formula (inverse glicko ranking).

just be straight to your so called feedback, you want to make the matches or even the pairings all in your favor…. not for everyone…..

I would like for it to be balanced for as many people as possible, not just for my server or myself.

as an example, if you where them (Anet)
how would you solve, no lets face the reality, how would you pair the servers?

your response will reflect if your just ranting too or not.

Based on actual population metrics as opposed to a “every server gets 1 server that’s the inverse of their ranking”. I would also discount t1-2 from server linking as their queues are bad enough with the revitalized WvW. I would take a look at their in house metrics for how many hours each server puts in and separate them by timezone. Then take the hard population statistics and again separate them by timezone. I would then have them manually and intelligently pair each server based on overall population + hours put in based on time zones (ie servers with off hours paired with servers with NA, balanced servers paired with balanced servers etc…).

Or even role with inverse glicko rating method and instead merely discount t1-2. On average servers that are linked would not be as big as they are now, but would still be bigger than they were previously. This would help alleviate the universal problems with queues, as well as create a healthy variety of playstyles so that lower tier players can play their way without being forced to blob it up.

That’s a couple solutions, there are more, and probably better ones too. Just some of my favorite ideas.

PS: btw arius, ive kept my promise for uploading the videos, took a while uploading before you got lie low on the forums…(was sad back then, thought another good player was lost due to wvw imbalance..)

Pt.1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=FmNgz1uwnY8#t=0
Pt.2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=WgF1b1H1lvE#t=0

Haha alright I’ll give them a watch.

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you’ve read the definition of calibration right?

testing is day 1, calibration is day 2 onwards……..the OP doesn’t know when to rant

Do you know what a rant is? Last I checked, one small paragraph and one sentence giving feedback on a system that someone wants feedback on is not a rant lol. In fact, you were the one who went on a rant, then after ranting claimed it was the other guy who ranted. lol

you just have to wait
as shaco always says “just a little bit closer”

But nobody is saying it has to happen now or soon. We’re giving feedback for a beta, which is what Betas are for. Betas are, in fact, not necessarily calibration in the sense that you mean it. In fact, specifically, they are well aware of the fact that there would be population imbalances and opted to use an inverse ranking pairing instead of going by their in house metrics for simplicity’s sake. This is not calibration as you’ve defined it.

We know the results are not final, new matches will be made, the system may be tweaked etc… It’s simply giving feedback based on what is currently available. This is not the same as writing off the whole system, but providing valuable intelligence for the developer to work with. That’s what they want.

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Larger gaps? Wasn’t it just last week that DR hit an 800k score? There’s nothing remotely close to that atm.

On average, not literally every matchup is larger than every gap that has ever occurred.

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im giving the Devs’ a C

C stands for Calibration

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calibration

and i can give then B too

B stands for Beta

this is Beta period right…. Calibration in Beta….

want me to Give them A too?

A stand for Anet

Anet deploys Beta for the Calibration of Population…. duh?

thats all i want to say

PS: let me give an S rating on some cats

Talking about the fact that this is still in a testing phase in response to criticism is counterproductive to the actual testing lol. They need honest opinions on the subject in order to find the proper system, so excusing the problems with “it’s just le testing duh” actually makes it so their tests are LESS effective. We need to be giving them as much constructive feedback as we can to refine the system.

The OP is pointing out that, contrary to what many thought this system would do, it has on average created a larger gap between the strongest servers and the weakest servers in matchups. This may settle down as matchups go on and servers rise/fall, but giving accurate feedback as the tests progress is the best thing we can do to help better the game.

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Dh/FC tier 4 – 38 16 13 13. Smallest tier getting 4 queues on reset lol.

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Yeah but I really don’t think pugs/pve converts will have much of an issue with ppt, esp considering there will be many fights along the way (such is the case when you have such a revitalized pop, between alpine coming back and server linking the blobs will probably be quite real in NA).

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No? Before making any WvW season, they must rework first whole ppt system. What is the point of WvW season where server is winning by the best coverage, and there is no comeback option? Much skills…

WvW seasons don’t need to be about the right thing to have a positive effect. Last seasons brought in tons of PvE players, many of whom forevermore called WvW their home. Just increasing WvW’s overall population may be justification enough for seasons. If you don’t care about PPT now, nothing is going to change because of the fact that a season is going on, you’ll just have more matchup variety is the only difference (which again if you don’t care about ppt shouldn’t be negative).

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Yup. Good thing this kitten stops on Friday. Bunch of script kiddies trying to debate and argue their views on the intwebz :/ Can’t you kids take it to tumbler or imgur or whatever the hipster place is these days?

And complaining about these people is so much better than being one… how?

Also do you know what a script kiddie even is lol? I don’t see any on these forums, let alone this thread.

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How did Mag and DH get brought up in a thread about tier 2?

The salty tears from DH are real. Your server had a chance to move up. But your server leaders wanted to stay conservative and hold back even though 90% of the guilds wanted to fight. So those guilds left to find their fights since DH server leaders were too afraid to fight. And the server plummeted down the ranks. It seems every few months DH gets the itch to try to be competitive so it try-hards. Then the moment they hit resistance they QQ that it’s everyone else that’s beating them up, cry more & then implode again. I mean come on did you really think you actually had a chance against the server known for pure cheese builds, hacking, spawn camping and tryhard ppt’ing? Nice try DH but you blew your chance a long time ago.

What are you even talking about, ancient history? Sounds like you’re referencing the last time we pushed to t4 and couldn’t decide if we wanted t3 or t4. We pushed as a server for t3 this time. We were wrong about being ready for it though, I’ll give you that.

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Here’s what I said:

See the issue? You’re shifting the scale. I’m talking about PvP games, as in learning to cope with “rudeness” in PvP games is just something you’re going to have to do if you want to stick around because it occurs regularly. Now you seemingly want to talk about specific encounters in PvP games, since you note that some specific PvP encounters can be respectful. Who cares? That’s irrelevant to my point that you’re guaranteed to encounter others who aren’t going to wish you happiness and rainbows and butterflies. Coping with upsetting people is a skill you’re going to have to develop.

And? Have you come to these forums, decided to contribute to the conversation simply by saying “toughen up”? Sir’s probably too polite, but “thanks dad” is the appropriate response if so.

This asinine refrain that you shouldn’t have to put up with people disrespecting you (I can’t even type that without laughing) is irrelevant to the fact that you do, actually, have to find a way to cope with it. You want to change the landscape of PvP gaming and lobby for the elimination of disrespectful behavior. Okay, great. That’s not going to help you cope with those mean bullies today, and it isn’t going to help you tomorrow – or anytime soon.

1) Um, disliking it doesn’t mean you don’t cope with it. Last I checked, nobody here has killed themselves over it, so I’m pretty sure we’re all coping.

2) I don’t want to change the landscape of PvP. Such a goal is obviously implausible and absurd. I’m just pointing out your server is full of jerks. Big dif.

This brings me to my next point:

I mean, seriously, gang violence, school bullying, and adultery? I deny that these are even remotely comparable to someone spawn camping, teabagging, or siege shaming you in an online PvP game. If these things are so massively upsetting to you then I sincerely recommend seeking professional help.

This again… I’m referring to incidents where players do this merely to anger/annoy other human beings for their own enjoyment. I consider that to be “negative” and “without proper justification”. Okay, do you understand that? Watch how I draw the analogy:

-Object A does something negative to Object B without proper justification.

Notice I have not said what this action is, I’ve left that blank. Take that sentence, and see everything it can apply to.

John (object A) kills (negative) Mary (object without proper justification.
Jason (object A) bullies (negative) Todd (object without proper justification.
Delilah (object A) steals (negative) from George (object without proper justification.

Do you agree these are analogous in that they’re doing something negative without proper justification?

Maguuma (object A) siege buries, laugh/sit spams, verbally abuses, trolls, demeans (negative) every server they’ve ever fought (object without proper justification.

It’s actual logic and quite undeniable without denying that “negative” applies to the things Mag does (or at least that I’m saying you do, if you don’t think you do it that’s a different discussion)… You may be delusional, but even you I doubt would say Mag isn’t doing negative things to other servers lol.

P.S. Since most people seem to not get it, I’m mostly sticking up for servermates and reason. I don’t care about spawn camping, I’ve done it myself. I don’t care about siege burial, I’m a roamer, we’re the group most likely to be siege buried in WvW. Got used to it in 2013.

I’ll admit the KDR bragging does bother me though. Mostly because it literally makes me sad there are people that pathetic and desperate for validation/meaning.

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The analogous point was that adultery occurs often in marriage, like rudeness does in PvP. Not every person in PvP is rude, not every marriage has incidents of adultery. But PvP is riddled with rude people, and so is “the enterprise” (my wording) of marriage. I wasn’t saying EVERY marriage has adultery, but rather that a lot of marriages do.

Also never said it was identically. Analogies aren’t identical in every way, otherwise they wouldn’t be analogies rofl.

Nice try tho.

If you play a PvP game, you’re going to encounter “rudeness”, as you put it. It’s endemic to the genre; there’s no escaping it. One might as well whine about wet rain. That was my original point, a point that evades your clumsy attempt at a marriage analogy.

“Wetness” is an essential property of rain, it is not rain if it is not wet. PvP can be (and often is) respectful. Just because it’s widespread behavior in PvP does not suddenly make it acceptable.

My first analogy works, but fine. Another analogy then: gang violence is “endemic” to cities. Do you believe people shouldn’t be disgusted by gang violence? Bullying is endemic to schools, should kids not be upset when they’re bullied? Heated arguments are endemic to relationships, should people not ever be upset by these?

The widespread nature of a thing does not excuse it nor mean people should not be upset by it. Arguably, the more widespread misbehavior is, the more upset we should be by it, just not surprised.

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Alright Arius, let me get this straight, you don’t play, but you know that a disproportionately large amount of Mag’s population disrespects DH players… ok. And nobody is complaining about being killed? Hah! Puck just stated he gets whispers from DH players frequently after killing them, and I’m certain he’s not the only one.

Haven’t played much since Dark Souls 3 released, which last I checked we were matched with Mag before that and I did play.

Also I’m saying on the forums. Of course some people, some where, in some game, complain about getting killed. Nobody cares. Dh has lots of complainers and losers, shocker. I’m talking about our discussion on this thread.

You know what the problem is with you guys on DH that are complaining about this? It’s the fact that you’re not getting upset about getting killed. You’re okay with coming out of your spawn and getting slaughtered, but it’s when some idiot throws a ballista blueprint on you when you realize you’re insulted. Oh what a tragedy! If you guys got more upset with getting killed and changed what you were doing in response you wouldn’t have this feeling of disrespect. I’m not trying to “victim blame,” but this is a PvP game mode, so learn how to PvP. If that’s too hard for you, go to PvE and kill NPCs.

I’m neither complaining nor upset. It’s funny, last post you were accusing me of being upset when I get killed (or implying that I was), now you’re saying the problem with all of us is that none of us are?

Also I’m not only referring to siege burials lol. You’re being intentionally dense trying to not understand my point. I’m saying Mag acts bad in so many areas, beyond simple siege burials, rage whispers, sit/laughspam etc… that it’s embarrassing. You’re hijacking multiple threads on these very forums to brag about getting a high k/d from killing bronze tier pugs. Do you really not realize how sad/depressing is? Or how annoying it is to see it everywhere we go?

Wow you really think you’re stuck in your spawn because Mag is keeping you there? That’s ignorance. There are three exists to every spawn in EBG, Maguuma is camping one of yours. If you’re already losing the week in PPT, there’s no reason to focus on your keep in the first place. Go out a different exit, find a different objective somewhere else on the map that will draw attention away from your spawn. I suggest attacked a Tier 3 tower on Mag’s side of the map, unless you’d rather avoid a fight without your spawn behind you to cower back into. Spread that bit of advice to your friends, you know since you don’t play anymore anyway.

Of course we could exit from the side of the spawn and avoid all fights. We’re not cowards so we’re not going to do that. I’m not alleging that you literally won’t let Dh players do anything but play GW2 and sit in our spawn area.

As for taking my word for it… well I ask the same question of you. Why should I take your word that the majority of Mag is acting in the manner that you claim? You’ve shown no evidence that this is happening as frequently as you make it seem. You’re just throwing accusations around left and right, acting like you’re somehow in a position to judge others in a video game. And just because you claim that Maguuma does these awful things more, does not mean that Maguuma actually does it more. All of your arguments work against you as well, if you haven’t noticed. If you’re going to make the claim that Maguuma is the most toxic server in WvW, I suggest you start posting every bit of evidence you have, immediately. Otherwise, you have no ground to stand on. That burden of proof is on you.

I’m not asking you to believe me or take my word for anything. I’m sharing my personal opinion and experiences on the forum. I can’t share my personal experiences because I have what’s called “privileged access” to my own experience/memories. IoW, I can’t show you what I’ve seen/know, I can only relate that I’ve seen it. I’m not in the habit of taking screenshots every time I’m bm’d because idc personally, so I have no evidence to provide.

I believe most people who have faced your server, if questioned, would back my position up though. I think you know that too.

The fact is you ARE suggesting that you believe you are better people than us, simply because you disagree with how some people are playing a stupid video game. “Oh no we’re just saying you guys act more disrespectful from time to time, not that we’re better than you. Now please observe as I go on a diatribe comparing the average Maguuma player to a murderer.” Sure. That’s not acting morally superiority. Not at all. It’s like you spew a bunch of garbage onto your screen, hit post reply, and forget exactly what you said.

Not doing something bad that you do does not suggest that I’m better than you. Or is it every time you accuse someone of doing something bad you’re acting morally superior? Catch a friend telling a white lie and say he’s doing it and suddenly you’re the moral police pretending to be the pope.

You can’t see how an analogy comparing video game activity to the real world is absurd?

No, analogies often work like that?

Are you of the belief that Grand Theft Auto encourages kids to become criminals?

Doubt it but I haven’t given any thought to it really either.

If not, then I believe you realize why your analogy was absurd. I was giving you that benefit of the doubt, but clearly YOUR critical thinking skills are the ones that are sub-par here. By the way, there are such things as weak analogies. The analogies you are using are incredibly weak, as they are grossly hyperbolic, that’s why I refuse to accept them as anything but absurdities and illogical reasoning.

Again, you’re saying that, but you’re not giving any reason how they are. If this were an anecdote or something that’d be fine, but my analogies are right there. You can quote them and show exactly how they’re wrong… so why aren’t you? The reason I don’t give evidence for Mag being in general bad is because I literally could not collect such evidence, it’s purely anecdotal. But it’s not the same for you, you could very easily supply evidence that my analogies were bad if they were, but you refuse to do so. You just keep claiming they are.

Setting a piece of siege down on your character’s dead body is not analogous to genocide or murder of any degree, nor will it ever be. Severity is actually relevant to analogies by the way, because exaggerated analogy takes away from the point you’re trying to make, anybody who has ever debated a kitten thing in their life knows this. If you seem like you’re making a mountain out of a mole hill with your analogy, the point is lost on your audience, just FYI.

No it’s not inherently, but as I’ve said I’m talking about people who do it just to annoy/aggravate other people. So the analgous part of that SPECIFIC action is “doing something negative to someone else for unjust reasons”. Does that statement apply to both murdering someone and siege burying someone to annoy them? YES. That means they’re analogous.

Exaggerated analogy may take away from how convincing my point may be, it does not take away from how accurate my point is. The analogy is accurate no matter how convincing you find it, that’s just your own mental issues with it preventing you from seeing the truth. If you want less exaggerated analogies, we could easily discuss bullying/theft/harassment (as negative things done for unjust reasons) analogies instead, but I have a hard time believing you can’t understand the point because of a gap in severity.

And no, you’re not wrong because I say you’re wrong. You’re because you’re making sweeping generalizations without evidence supporting them.

That doesn’t make someone wrong. If I walked up to you and set there’s a guy named Joe Mongolia in Australia, I’d have no evidence for it… but you’d be awfully conceited to say I’m wrong.

You make the claim that most of Maguuma is being disrespectful, but show nothing to prove it.

Yeah, that’s how testimony works? lol I’m relaying my experiences, not claiming to provide proof.

You think it’s alright to say “Well you’re just making assertions,” while you make even more targeted assertions. If you haven’t noticed, I’m the defense here. You’re the one making the claims, I’m trying to give you counter arguments to help you see why your reasoning is flawed, yet you think somehow you’re not the one with the burden of proof.

Because there’s a difference in the type of claims we’re making. Different claims have different burdens associated with them. This is basic knowledge. For example, mundane claims such as “I ate breakfast yesterday” require no evidence (in theory) because there’s no reason to believe I’m lying. Claims such as “I saw x happen” again requires no evidence, because the person is not claiming “x did occur”. It’s not currently possibly to prove or disprove someone having seen something, except by showing that it’s literally impossible for them to have seen it (which is harder than you think).

The type of concept I’m communicating is that I’ve seen you guys BM way more than ordinary (from my perspective). That’s an experience, that’s not something I could show. Even if I screenshotted you guys doing it a thousand times in a matchup, that wouldn’t show that the other servers don’t do it two thousand times to me in a matchup… I really can’t provide good evidence for it.

On the other hand, you’re saying there is a logical error in my thinking. Logic is like mathematics. If you say 2+2 = 5, I can show you that you’re wrong. Likewise, if you say “your analogy isn’t analogous” you can show that it isn’t, or at the very least you’re expected to.

I know you don’t think I’m a bad person individually, if you did think that you would be insanely wrong. But when you lump together every Maguuma player in a generalization, then yes, you are speaking about me, just on a broader scale.

But I never said every Maguuma, I said most, and even that was a more hyperbolic of saying “way more than normal”. And for the record, I don’t mean to target you specifically either.

You may believe I’m wrong, that is your right, but until you can prove that you’re right, it doesn’t matter. Not a single bit of evidence has been shown that the majority of players on my server are disrespecting DH players. I will agree that there are Mag players that do behave with poor sportmanship, but I will not agree with you that it’s a large portion of the population here until you show evidence of it, and that’s on you to prove, not me to disprove.

Sure, all I ask is that you consider whether or not so many people from so many different servers would complain about the exact same thing if it weren’t true. Of course that’s not necessarily true just because they do complain, but there’s not much other evidence I can provide. Some claims can’t really be proven or evidenced, we just have to think rationally about them as best as we can.

If you legitimately think that the universal complaints that Yak’s Bend’s siegehumping isn’t generally true, or Dragonbrand SEA blobbing, then that’s cool. I tend to think, while servers have much in common, they have much that’s unique to them and different relative amounts of different behaviors. Some servers have more roamers, others more fights, others more ppts etc etc… Maguuma imo just has more disrespectful players. Again, this is not just me, this is not just Dh, look at the threads involving your server on gw2wvw.net and try to find a single server who doesn’t call yours out on this. Right now SoS players are doing the exact same thing in our current matchup thread. So are Db and TC players even…

Edit: Here’s a quote from “Bloodie” on exactly what Maguuma is. This is a Maguuma commander, as you probably well know, and pretty much sums up what I think of Mag:

we enjoy making people mad, read other server team chat, people crying, commaders ragequitting. That is what fuels maguuma up m8. Maguuma is fueled up with other server teas that is it. you can kitten all you want

One of the reasons I have such a negative perception of Mag is most Mag literally (like I said in my first post) take pride in making other people angry/upset for no real reason. They literally brag about it en masse.

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Arius.7031

Yes and spouses cheating on each other occurs – without fail – across the entire enterprise of Marriage. Stupid women/men should have knew that it was possible and so not been upset by it at all.

Mag logic.

Inb4 I’m accused of being melodramatic for an analogy being more severe than the thing it’s drawing parallels with. Again, that’s standard Mag logic for ya.

You’re so right. It’s clearly the case that adultery occurs – without fail – in every marriage, just as every PvP game – without fail – harbors rage-inducing trolls. And an anonymous stranger spawn camping/teabagging you in a virtual world is totes identical to intimate betrayal from someone with whom you share your daily life.

No denying those parallels! #MagLogic

The analogous point was that adultery occurs often in marriage, like rudeness does in PvP. Not every person in PvP is rude, not every marriage has incidents of adultery. But PvP is riddled with rude people, and so is “the enterprise” (my wording) of marriage. I wasn’t saying EVERY marriage has adultery, but rather that a lot of marriages do.

Also never said it was identically. Analogies aren’t identical in every way, otherwise they wouldn’t be analogies rofl.

Nice try tho.

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Nor should morality cease existing in a video game, yet the anonymity of the internet encourages people to push the boundaries of morality, and that’s just the way it is right now. Got a problem with people making fun of you? The internet is definitely not going to be a safe space for you. If you need positive reinforcement, I suggest staying away from multiplayer games, or muting and reporting people that do harass you.

But what happens to your psychological state based on a realization that you can “get away with it” means nothing to whether or not it’s right or wrong. Mistreating people is still mistreating people. Whether or not they made the misinformed or ill-considered decision to come online or play a certain game doesn’t make it so any actions against them have no moral dimension. You certainly don’t advocate for the mistreatment of a woman just because she’s pretty and walked into a bad part of town, right? That’s a bad decision, but doesn’t mean it’s suddenly okay to do anything you want to that person.

How am I supposed to know that the person who laugh spammed me from a tower who I ended up killing a few moments later, and then maybe jumped on their corpse once, is clinically depressed? I personally don’t interrupt duels, and I know many players on Mag who don’t, but to those people who do, and then proceed to siege shame and what not, that’s just part of the game. It happens. WvW is a sandbox PvP game mode, it was not designed for duels. Find a better place to have them next time, or just brush it off and try again. You don’t have develop some superiority complex over it and think “They only did that because they’re morally bankrupt and I’m a better person.” Maybe that person who interrupted your duel just got home from a funeral for a loved one and doesn’t really care about the rules anymore. I can play that game too, making up hypothetical scenarios to justify my argument. It doesn’t make it any better, and it doesn’t make yours any better either, so stop.

I believe (personally, this is my take on objective morality) that you are well within your rights to reply in kind to unjustified mistreatment. That doesn’t always mean it’s wise to do so, but that it’s not morally wrong.

But that’s not the point I’m making. I’m talking about those who instigate these situations for no good reason, not people kittenpond to them.

And yes, maybe the guy who, every time he plays the game /sits /laughs siege buries, spawn camps, siege humps, trash talks, and generally bms because at every point in his life a loved one has died. That’s kinda unlikely tho and I can’t really account for that in judgments I make. As a human being, we’re all required to make judgments based off of what information we have. I’m not saying certainly everyone on Mag is a terrible person, just that it seems that way.

Also, again, it’s important to note when I say they’re a terrible person I mean it in a colloquial sense, not a literal one. I’m not saying they’re bad people or usually are or anything like that, but that they’re acting like that they are.

I agree with you to some extent, that if your goal is to simply make people angry on a video game, that does make you sucky, but it doesn’t make you a sucky person. A person is not defined by what they do on a video game. According to the implication of your logic, if I donated all of my money cancer research charities, gave a kid a kidney, and volunteered at a soup kitchen every week, but then acted a little immature in a video game that encourages me to kill enemies, that I’m a sucky person? See, here’s the problem with all of your arguments: You’re narrowing down every Mag player to only their GW2 WvW actions and making sweeping assumptions about their character based on those assumptions.

To reiterate, I’m saying it in the colloquial sense. This is not an absolute judgment on the moral character of anyone who has ever bm’d lol.

But maybe you’re right. Maybe only Maguuma deserves to be singled out for corpse jumping, spawn camping, siege shaming, and whispering salty messages. I know I’ve never witnessed any of that stuff on any other server!

Just kidding, you all do it too. Or you would if you could even make it out of spawn. You need to realize that just because someone acts foolish in a video game, does not give YOU the right to demean them to a terrible person analogous to a murderer. Although I guess within the context of this game Maguuma does look a lot like kitten Germany, what with the genocide forced upon DH the past week. (That’s called a joke, please don’t get kitten about it, pleeeeeaaaase).

Yet again it doesn’t matter if any server does something. I’m saying you do it more often. Look at my post history, NSP does it, but do I call them out for doing it? Do I call Ehmry Bay out for doing it? I’ve faced those servers dozens of times more than I’ve faced yours, but the few times I’ve faces yours you’ve demonstrated bad behavior dozens of times more than I’ve seen from those servers in their our entire history together. NOT getting sat/laughed/siege burried/spawn camped/duel interrupted is something that surprises me from Maguuma. This is not peculiar to me, this is not peculiar to Dh, there is a reason Maguuma is universally reviled and it’s not because we’re all jelly of your 1337 fites skillz.

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Arius.7031

I honestly don’t know. Yesterday you all had trebbed open the outer and inner walls from your adjacent towers and your blob ran up to the gate and started ramming it….
Mag probably had equal or possibly even more numbers at the time but they weren’t anywhere near your keep. At your keep was maybe 4 or 5 GGGG (who I’ve seen decimating groups of DH 3 times their size) and a couple other pugs.
With the numbers you had, especially with all the people bunkered in the towers, you should have easily been able to take it but apparently your server sucks more than most at communicating?

We suck more than most at most things. That’s what happens when your server receives a massive influx of transfers from t8-6. They’re still getting used to how things work higher up, and game fatgiue caused most of our fight guilds to quit which caused the few we had left to leave. Believe me, if MEAN/TAG/MR/VOID/XOXO were still around, Dh would be in a lot better shape fights-wise right now. But like dominoes, they fell.

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@ Arius

So you think that because a few people on Maguuma act mean towards you that you are justified in generalizing that most people on Maguuma are just as mean spirited as those select few? That’s absurd.

Where did I say few? A disproportionately large amount, enough to be reasonably taken to be significant. That’s how I’d phrase it.

Wow. That’s… hilarious. You think being killed a couple times in a video game, in a game mode that is all about killing your enemies, makes the world a less happy place for you and your server mates? Dude, you take the cake on drama. If this game affects you that much, I suggest you stop playing. Seriously. It’s not worth fretting over this much and in this manner.

Nobody is complaining about being killed? Are you reading what I’m saying? Being killed doesn’t make most people unhappy. Being constantly disrespected generally does though. I like how you misrepresent my position then base your entire paragraph’s point on that misrepresentation, mocking me when in fact you’re just showing your reading comprehension fails.

Also I don’t really play so it’s hard to stop.

Just because some Mag players have boasted about punishing your server for your pugs using siege, does not mean every Mag player on the server is spawn camping you for the same reason

And where did I say every one was? What does what every Mag does matter? I’m not saying every Mag is bad/rude/terrible.

I’ve already told you why you’re really getting spawn camped. It’s because that’s where you are.

And that’s where we are because you keep us there. Do you really not think Dh would retake our keep if we had a decent chance and enough people present to do it?

If most of your players are in your spawn trying to get out of the front gate, most of our players are going to be at your spawn killing you, unless you go and do something somewhere else on the map. That’s not punishment, that’s how player vs player works. Step 1) Go to where enemies are located. Step 2) Fight them.

Sure but why should I take your word over the other Mag who says it’s punishment for our pugs using siege? Or say it’s because you enjoy fighting us because SoS is dead? Or say it’s because you want to make us angry? Or say it’s because you enjoy the salt messages you get? I’m getting mixed signals from Mag, so why should I be taking your word for it when the overwhelming majority opt for alternative answers to your own.

Once again, I’m forced to reiterate that Maguuma is far from the only server that has players that corpse jump, siege shame, spam emotes, etc. That argument does not work. Stop using a complaint that makes you look thin skinned; no one pities you.

Dragonbrand is far from the only server with SEA.
Yak’s Bend is far from the only server with siege.
Northern Shiverpeaks is far from the only server with cannon sitters.
USA is far from the only place with guns.
Detroit is far from the only place with poverty issues.
Russia is far from the only place where Russians wrote literature.

Just because other servers have people who occasionally do what you do, doesn’t mean you don’t do it more. My issue is with how relatively frequent you do it, not the base fact that some of you do it.

You’re being abnormally sensitive is a personal issue. So keep it to yourself and stop projecting your emotions into a video game. I am not a terrible person for telling you to cease with the dramatic accusations of poor sportmanship. I’m trying to help you if anything. You claim you don’t even really play, and that you don’t really care. Everyone here knows you’re lying. You might not play, but for some reason you care, and you care too much for some who doesn’t play.

You being abnormally bothered by my posts is a personal issue, so keep it to yourself and stop projecting your opinions onto the forums.

Also I never accused you specifically of being a terrible person, you seem like an alright sort. Clearly your critical thinking skills are lacking, but at least you try. More than the average Baguuman could say.

You and Sirbeaumerdier are just the pinnacles of morality aren’t you?

No? We’re normal people who have developed normal moral senses that tell us when something is good/bad or right/wrong. Neither of us are reporting you to the police, claiming we’re going to heaven and you’re not, or telling you we’re better people than you. We’re just saying that your server—more frequently than others—acts in a disgraceful manner. That’s not acting morally superior, that’s pointing out an observation for a good reason.

Equating my comments of “hey you play how you want to play, and I’ll play how I want to play” to saying that I think it’s alright for would-be murderers to do whatever they please because everyone can just do whatever they want. That statement is the true absurdity here, and anybody with a rational thought in their brain can see that.

You say it’s absurd, but you don’t even try to show how. Again, typical Mag behavior, you’re confronted with a line of reasoning you’re not properly equipped to rebut or refute and so turn to “lol it’s just not true mmkay”.

I didn’t equate them, I drew a parallel in reasoning between them using an analogy.

I realize the point of analogies, and you need to realize analogies fail when there is no place for an analogy to be made.

Show how mine did then.

This is a video game. Throwing siege on a dead enemy is not analogous, in anyway, shape or form, to a man shooting an innocent woman.

The analogous aspect is that you’re intentionally doing something negative to a person without adequate justification (and to be clear, I’m only talking about when folks are disrespectful for no good reason). One is more severe than the other, granted, but severity is completely irrelevant to analogies. It is analogous by definition, and can’t help but be analogous, and no amount of denial on your part will change that.

The fact that you finished that line if ridiculous thinking with “the logic of what you’re saying is equal to the logic of what the murderer is saying.” just shows you have a fundamental inability to separates a virtual world from reality.

Again, more assertions with no evidence/reasoning to back it up. “You’re wrong because I SAY YOU’RE WRONG” is basically what your entire post can be summarized as.

But please, tell me how I’m a bad person some more. Tell every Maguuma player how awful they are. I’m sure none of us have ever donated blood, or donated to a charity. I personally enjoy slamming doors in the faces of children. Jumping on corpses in a video game, and slamming doors in children’s faces. That’s me!

I never told you that you specifically were a bad person. The closest thing might be that at some point I used the word “you” to save myself from typing “Maguuma” (I don’t even know that I did this, just that I sometimes do this because I’m lazy), but none of my accusations were directed at you specifically because I haven’t seen you do anything bad. You’re wrong, not bad (until I have reason to believe you’re bad, guilty til proven innocent type of deal there).

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Arius.7031

I don’t want to put words in Xev’s mouth, but I highly doubt he believes something is alright just because it’s commonplace. But that has nothing to do with this, as morality is not in question here. Stop acting as though it is. You look ridiculous and as though you put your gaming experience on equal ground as reality. This game is not real life. Grievances you have in the game, will not impact your well-being, unless for some reason you have a mental disorder that makes you believe me jumping on your corpse is somehow affecting you outside of the game.

Morality does not cease existing because you’re in a video game. If you verbally abused a clinically depressed person to his face or online it’d still be bad or wrong (basic technical difference but I doubt you understand it without googling it anyways so shouldn’t pose any issue to the discussion). The guy who just got home from a 12 hour shift and is trying to have duels that you just interrupted, then corpse jumped, then siege buried, then mailed salty messages to is a human being too. It really is sad if you act that way just because it amuses you, and yes it is wrong even if you’re not physically breaking his arm.

IoW, if you try to upset people for no good reason in a video game, you’re being a sucky person. If you try to upset people at work for no good reason, you’re being a sucky person. Sucky behavior doesn’t stop being sucky because you’re not face to face. This is a simple concept that only a MagcusBad player would fail to understand, but alas, the educational system of insert your country here is not what it used to be.

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What was unclear? You seem really upset by behavior that occurs – without fail – across the entire PvP genre. It seems odd to accuse the side expressing bafflement at all the whining about commonplace occurrences of taking the situation more seriously. Trolls taking kitten seriously? That’s new.

Also, perhaps trot on over to that “other one” if you think anything over here is similar to what transpires over there. Pretty radical difference, friend.

Yes and spouses cheating on each other occurs – without fail – across the entire enterprise of Marriage. Stupid women/men should have knew that it was possible and so not been upset by it at all.

Mag logic.

Inb4 I’m accused of being melodramatic for an analogy being more severe than the thing it’s drawing parallels with. Again, that’s standard Mag logic for ya.

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That’s some serious over exaggeration if I’ve ever seen it. Pride ourselves on being terrible human beings? Do you really think Mag players wake up in the morning, put their pants on in someway that is evil compared to the rest of you, and then plot the best way to starve children in Africa?

Yes I do think pretty much exactly that. You managed to capture my mental image of the situation perfectly. Put your pants on like a good person for once pls.

Terrible human beings… for playing a competitive game mode.

I didn’t say everyone on Mag are terrible human beings. I didn’t say everyone who plays a competitive game mode is a terrible human being. I play WvW too, but I don’t accuse myself of being a terrible human being (though I sure could be a lot better, to be fair). This is a gross misrepresentation of my point. My issue is with how you act based on playing the competitive gamemode, not that you play it.

Statements like yours are why Mag players laugh at the plight that you are all complaining about.

Don’t care.

You make it so dramatic, so why should we care?

Because regardless of how dramatic I make things, making the world a less happy place for more people for the sole purpose that you get off on it is… terrible… and since you’re a human being… that makes you a terrible human being?

It’s a game mode that revolves around killing your opponents, if your opponents outnumber you, or out skill you, it’s on you to find a way to deal with that. It’s not on Mag to change what we’re doing if it’s working. We’re winning on the scoreboard in every regard to my knowledge at the moment. If you guys think Mag blobs too hard, then recruit guilds to your server, pay them to come to you and encourage them to fight Mag’s guild groups on open field. Put up a fight in the game, instead of coming to the forum and talking about how bad it is to have your corpse jumped on. Guess what? That stuff happens. It’s happened to all of us, and it will in the future. I’ve been on five different servers, and each and every one of them, and the servers I’ve been matched with, have players that behave in “toxic” ways. Get over it. Those people exist, and you whining about it will never change it.

I haven’t complained about a single thing you’ve mentioned here. In fact my complaints more revolve around intentionally punishing an entire server for a few pugs using siege (something Mag players have BOASTED ABOUT in this very thread). Heavy verbal abuse (to a point that is not healthy even on the internet). Constantly dragging your kdr all over everyone else’s faces and intentionally trying to make them feel bad about it. Constant insults to all of your opponents—not in the game of getting fights—but in the name of “because I can”. No respect, no decency, of any kind. Mind you, I don’t really care because I don’t really play.

The fact that your server corpse jumps, siege buries, laugh/sit spams a dozen times more than servers twice your size is simply more indicative of the fact that Maguuma is a troll server.

I doubt anywhere will remember that guy’s friend quitting the game, and that whole story says more about his friend than it does about Mag. If I got my feelings hurt enough to quit this game over a competitive game mode every time my corpse got jumped on by an enemy zerg, then I would have quit this game years ago when I started on NSP.

I doubt you’re correct and I don’t care what it says about his friend. Being abnormally sensitive is a personal issue that I won’t judge a person on (in fact my sympathies go out to the person). Acting like a terrible person on the other hand…

TL;DR: Stop being so melodramatic, just play the game your way, we’ll play the game ours.

This rationale is toddler levels of absurd. “By all means live life the way you want, I’ll live life the way I want” the guy shooting an innocent woman says to Mother Theresa. Before you go accusing me of being melodramatic again, analogies are such that they’re inherently NOT the exact same as what they’re drawing analogy to. As such I am in no way saying you’re equivalent to murderers or everyone else is Mother Theresa, only that the logic of what you’re saying is equal to the logic of what the murderer is saying.

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Um this wasn’t impressive back in 2012. That fact hasn’t changed…

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ya, they have some of the grimiest tactics, obnoxious attitudes, and odious techniques i’ve seen in game

like it or not, whether anyone is willing to admit it or not, mag’s form of foul play brings meaning to winning a wvw match.

Enough to harass a guildmember of mine to the point of breaking her and quitting the game and MMO play in general.

Yup. Real sportsman-like these folks are.

I moved away from the T3 matchups for the sole reason the players on mag are the most disgraceful excuse for a community I’ve seen in gaming, just because of how they handle strangers. I’ve seen some things – especially having worked support for a game which legally allowed trash talk, scamming, and espionage – and even those players in an open-PK world weren’t so awful.

They don’t provide meaning for WvW. They take it way over the line to a point of creating an incentive for not playing.

Much as I sympathize, don’t think Mag cares fora second. Most (not all) pride themselves on generally being terrible human beings and will most likely quote and mock your post in game. In fact they’ll probably wear the fact that your friend quit as a badge of honor, sad as it is.

Hope your future gaming experiences against other wvw communities are more pleasant.

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Maguuma hijacks another thread to brag about their k/d, let’s all pretend to be shocked.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

Before this push Mag had a 1.68 average kdr playing casually in T4. There may not have ever been a time where Mag’s kdr has not been at least top 3 for both NA and EU servers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delusion

Your point could easily be explained by you out blobbing servers during NA consistently. It’s well known that Mag is extra super heavy NA, decent EU, and weak otherwise (in terms of population). For servers to get to your rating, they’d have to either match your NA OR have better off hours compensate. It also doesn’t help that Mag is low pug high guild group ratio, which is another way that KDR can be explained… guilds killing pugs, which is not impressive in any way to any sane person.

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Now the claim our kdr is high is because we sometimes have server blobs for 2-3 hours every night. Let’s compare two sides here when there are blobs on either server:

1) We controlled SMC. Very little siege. Had a 2nd account from DH wasting the supply from 1500 to 0. Inner was never breached.
2) DH desperately sieged the ever living YB of their keep so they wouldn’t be spawntrapped again. Under a hail of 6-7 AC’s, three shield generators, cannons, and against DH’s blob Maguuma eventually took the keep.

Messages from NINE right after we took a fortified keep, sieged keep with NINE defending:

http://i.imgur.com/89Gs3uz.jpg

The only reason either of your servers even has ppt is due to Maguuma not being able to have groups in every BL 24/7. You’re essentially surviving sneaking ppt when Maguuma has other things to do.

Because Mag doesn’t have sfd/cccp members ppting around the clock, no sir, Mag doesn’t ever ppt (lol rn SFD is map hopping like crazy trying to get that tick up, pvding undefended objects while nobody is around).

Also what, pray tell, does your picture prove? What has winning 1 fight ever proved? And when does “19 in squad” translate to “19 on tag in a fight”? And how do we know you’re telling the truth about your numbers?

Also I’m not claiming blobs are the reason for your KDR. Saying that blobs can be the cause of KDR is not the same as saying they are the cause of KDR. The statement “you guys are blobbing, blobbing can cause KDR to raise” is used to counter the statement “Maguuma is better, because we have a higher KDR”. It’s basic reasoning (correlation does not imply causation). So let’s say your pic proves that Maguuma won one fight, good… Now do you honestly think Dh has literally not won a single fight this entire match? Considering we have 2,900 kills, chances are low that this is the case rofl. Proving you won one fight does nothing and you haven’t even proven that.

The only real claim you have of mine to challenge is whether or not Mag outnumbers SoS/Dh. I think you do, and I think SoS would gladly back this claim up. A server outnumbering another servers tend to lead to higher k/d. During NA (the timezone where most kills are generated) you outnumber both sides very severely. It seems entirely plausible that this could lead to a dramatically inflated KDR, and it doesn’t help that when you outnumber us in EU you’re spawn camping our pugs with siege (again, artificially inflating your KDR).

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…and you guys blob everything into oblivion.

I can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard this in the past couple weeks…. I don’t know what to tell you, welcome to WvW I guess? Every server blobs, do what I do and learn to pick people off from the blob and escape them. It’s like its own mini game.

I especially enjoyed getting salty whispers on multiple occasions how Mag players can only blob and run from equal fights, this was always right after I’d kill someone while I was solo roaming…. The majority of the time it came from reapers, it’s like they were so upset about losing a 1v1 that there brains stopped functioning and they resorted to their standard default insults.

My comment about you blobbing everything into oblivion is relevant because your server mates are bragging about kdr, I’m not complaining about blobbing, I’m saying that may explain the kdr. “Welcome to WvW” would be a good response if it were a complaint, but it’s not, it’s an explanation.

Every server spams siege too, but you use that as an excuse to justify your spawn camping us (with siege). It’s just an excuse, you’re not doing that to punish us, and if you were it’d be completely kittened (as I previously showed).

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To address T3 topic from page 1: If you own Overlook in ebg, and you mostly just spam cannons, trebs, mortars, acs, etc non-stop at fights in the road between northern sm and overlook, you deserve to be spawn camped with players and siege. Literally every time we killed annoying wall siege, DH rebuilt it as soon as it was clear again. lol If your team is constantly running out the same set of stairs for hours on end from your spawn, why would we (Mag) leave? It’s not like green is doing anything. They also get camped in their keep. You’re not Mag’s play toy, but look at your KDR and ask yourself if you’re doing something wrong as a server or not.

As for T2: I believe Mag will move up past FA at this rate. We’re getting mountains of ppt from kills alone.

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The amount of siege they build in each structure is kittening ridiculous. When we took ogrewatch for the umpteenth time they had more people sitting on trebs and mortars in their keep firing at OW than they had inside fighting to defend it. The majority of the ones that were inside died on the siege they were manning. Today was a boring kittening day.

Are you completely blind to the amount of siege your own server uses? Puck, I never took you for a blind patriotic player… Esp not after you left AR. Mag uses copious amounts of siege, not just in structures but even open field, or in spawn camping. In fact, I guarantee you have used more siege to spawn camp us than we have used in our keep (the spawn trebs/ballis/acs were real when I logged in). It’s like you pretend guilds like cccp/sfd don’t exist, and that every guild on Mag is just TG running under a different tag.

I also find it utterly ridiculous to assert that, because SOME Dh players do something that Magtards dislike, that therefore a lot of random pugs deserve to be punished for it. That’s just completely absurd thinking, a gradeschooler could point that out, but somehow on Mag it’s standard and reasonable. “Oh hey, a guy in a village threw a rock at one of my shiny knights, as king of the village the most logical response is to burn them all alive”. ggwp Mag logic. On second thought, I shouldn’t be surprised, Mag is literally the stupidest server in the game (in terms of reasoning ability) lol.

Also to Katniss, kdr can be due to blobbing too. You’re assuming it’s due to your skill or our lack thereof, but that’s just an assumption. Blobbing can equally explain kdr, and you guys blob everything into oblivion.

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I'm from NA Tier 2 & it has been a bloodbath

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Well I can agree it shouldn’t have been so easy lol. I just don’t understand why you guys kept feeding bags, you could have just gone out a side exit and hit something so the people in front of the main exit would have gotten bored and left.
I spent a good couple hours there because you guys kept feeding. I’d have stayed longer except I had to log off to get some stuff done. And are you really being spawn camped when you vastly outnumber the group killing you?

Because why PPT when you can fight? Are you seriously advocating that Dh players avoid Mag players at all costs? First fites server I’ve ever heard actually bashing people for staying and trying to fight rofl.

Also, again, Dh repeatedly pushed Mag back to the keep only to have more Mag port in and wipe the Dh group. We weren’t losing all our fights, we would start winning then get blobbed into oblivion. You’re also conveniently forgetting to mention the overwhelming amount of siege you guys used in the spawn camp at various points (perhaps you simply weren’t present, since it literally went on for entire days).

To be clear, I have no issue with spawn camping, just with misuse/misrepresentation of the facts.

Most of the time those 15-16 outnumbered us, and most of the time time it wasn’t 15-16 (sometimes it was far less, sometimes it was far, far, far more). Also your picture shows more confirmed individual Mag than it does Dh (not a good enough view of dh, perhaps, or more Dh in the background that aren’t easily visble), so I don’t get what it proves.

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What tier for roaming NA ?

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T3 is probably the fairest place to roam alone with moderate degrees of action. Below that it’s dead, and imho having no fights is no fun. If I wanted to kill PvE mobs, I’d go to PvE where the rewards are good.

Honestly tier 4 has more roaming that tier 3 because there’s 3 servers actually roaming. No offense to SoS, but it’s t3 only in terms of ppt not population. HoD is significantly more populated than SoS, it’s not even close in terms of overall pop. SoS is pretty much random small groups of people ppting the BLs 24/7.

Btw this isn’t meant to be offensive to SoS, props for doing what you can with what you have, these are just the facts.

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I think in my experience the best roamers are on Maguuma, Northern Shiverpeaks, Fergusson’s Crossing, and Darkhaven. I think t3-4 are the best tiers for roaming because there’s much much more activity in off hours in these tiers than t5 and below. Ignore the t1 players who say there’s no off hours in lower tiers, they’re wrong/ignorant, it completely depends on the server. EU and NA are populated by all servers, OCX is the only timezone which most servers don’t have many players on during in t4 (but even then orange swords pop here and there).

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Hackers Capping Towers

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Anet definitely got some of their accounts. IDK if they actually do have others that are ready to WvW on, but good job to ANet for getting this done relatively quick. It’s taken a few years but you guys actually responded with decent timing, so mad props for that.

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It’s hard to get proof because these are experienced hackers who have refined their techniques after being banned multiple times (not to make them sound like a big deal, they refer to themselves in the third person so…). What do we do? Take a picture of them inside a tower/keep with no damage (kinda hard to show that every wall/gate is completely okay)? It can be dismissed with “they were simply hiding inside”. It’s a difficult/awkward situation for opposing servers to handle, considering I don’t think they “fly” in but rather teleport; it’s hard to catch them in the act (since it’s instantaneous and can happen from—and to—anywhere).

For those who do want to try to get video proof of these hackers, they pretty much always announce when they’re going to start their hacking run on GW2wvw.net (the salt forums). If you’re wanting to sit in a tower/keep while recording, give it a shot.

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Bump for great Darkhaven.

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It is interesting, and I don’t play in T3 so I don’t know, but is it because you guys basically night cap while mag caps during na? I ask because, for example, you guys have 4.3k kills in t3, while Dh has 10.3k in t4 lol (and we have more deaths than we have kills lel). Even the smallest server in t4 (NSP) has 6.4k, t5 server EBay has 6.5k… Poor SBI has only 2.7k lol. Your server has less kills than a losing t5 server :/ (FC).

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Bump for #Believehaven. Awesome server is awesome.

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^ Have seen this guy wrecking since before lots of people even played this game, awesome com, 10/10 guild highly recommended.

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Bump for an awesome server.

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Darkhaven is a friendly and fun server to play on. If you’re interested in learning about it feel free to get in contacts with those mentioned in the OP. We don’t want short term transfers but new long-term community members, so we won’t give you any B.S. You’ll know what you’re getting into and whether or not we’re right for you.

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Unfortunately most don’t care about server pride. It’s a dead concept.

Source? Evidence?

I care about server pride, many on my server do. Perhaps ‘server pride’ is a stronger thing in lower tiers, there’s more server identity the lower you go in general. It’s certainly not dead though, and that’s one of the big reasons WvW persists as a game-mode. Darkhaven, however, is filled to the brim with server loyalists, though idk how it is for other servers.

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Much like ESO?!

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The alliance thing is quite probably fake, devon’s statement on the subject implies that at least:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/3uznbc/major_wvw_overhaul_colin_j_ft_e/cxj91cj?context=3

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We want back NORMAL UPGRADE!!!

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I don’t agree I prefer auto upgrades as someone who was forced to do bl defense to help my server succeed. Most people don’t know the strain this puts on lower tier servers who don’t have as many people, most bl defenders step up out of obligation not out of preference.

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Why leave T1? There are fights all over the place and map Qs are really short when they do happen. We didn’t even have one last night during NA Prime. Now that YB has lost a couple big guilds to BG and JQ the matches have started evening out a bit (although it would be nice if some of JQ’s SEA would move over to BG and YB).

As he said in the OP, he needs to transfer all his people to a place within his budget range lol. “we all are on different servers” are his words.

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Yea that’s fair, but OP hasn’t said which timezone so we all assume NA.

Yeh but the thing is usually the top server is top because of off hours, not NA. Dh for example usually loses NA to EBay, will definitely lose it to NSP too. We just win SEA/EU hard.

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As I mentioned above, DH would be my choice for t4 so you can loosen those panties there. T3 DB and t2 TC.

Are you one of those people who just like to join the most stacked server in a match? Fights are boring when you win them all the time because of superior numbers. I would never recommend that to players who are interested in improving their gameplay.

I agree with you, but to be fair being the most overall populated =/= outnumbering your enemies in the timezone you play. It’s the individual timezones that matter to #fites, not how your server stacks up in overall coverage/population imo.

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Anything outside of t1 and t2 is dead… not enough action unless you are on when guilds are raiding.
When I mean dead I don’t mean no one is running around the borderlands. Even on t1, there are dead time spots which not much is happening besides small havoc squads running around just capping stuff.

There is a reason the pop is set at Medium.

If you are on YB right now and thought SoS was dead, don’t move from YB.

Yup I agree with your statement about not moving from YB if you thought SoS was dead. Medium won’t work for you if you thought SoS was dead. But I think you’re wrong on what it means to be dead, I think we have a viable alternative to the overpopulation of t1-2. Y’all talk as if t1-2 is the standard of what WvW should be, I think that it’s overpopulated and leads to expectations being too high for people.

So by all means say it’s too dead for you personally, but don’t say it IS dead. There’s a difference. The only tiers in NA that could reasonably be said to be “dead” are t7-8, as even t6 has some fairly reliable action most of the time. I think t3-5 are in a very decent spot in population atm, but that’s just my opinion, the one thing that is certain is that they aren’t ‘dead’. Just not as populated as some may want.

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