Guild Wars 2

Darkhaven is definitely a good place to be imo, no matter what type of content you enjoy. On the PvE side, we have many excellent guilds who host events to keep our server tightly knit. On the WvW side of things, we have the perfect spot at the moment, we’re in tier 4 so decently populated but not overly so, very little queues/lag and definitely room for roamers. We have many excellent guilds in this area as well.

If you want to hear more about our WvW side of things and get in contact with some people, I refer you to this thread: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/community/lookingfor/Darkhaven-Ascension-Server-Recruitment/first#post4647748

Psh you went to SoS and not Dh? I’m hurt! And we don’t even get to fight you guys now. TAG vs Bevr was much hyped wow.

It’s might stacking + cele as a combo, neither one necessarily on their own. With these 2, any bunker ele build can hit like a truck. Warrior is the same, look at the new meta sword/warhorn + longbow build. You don’t see zerk d/d eles in spvp for a reason, it’s not nearly as viable. It’s cele/might stacking that’s the issue, not d/d ele.

Reverence.6915:

Jeknar.6184:

Reverence.6915:

SkyShroud.2865:

so many hard sellings when ts only asking abt if theres any sea presence outside of t1/t2

And the answer is no, unless you like PVD and empty maps.

Just like you people hate when we say T1 is only blob versus blob. We hate when you say the other tiers are only PvD.

We all know none of them is true, but we will continue to acuse each other of it…

We know NA isn’t PVD and there’s some fights, but logging on in a T5 server during OCX is painful. It’s painful in a T2 server let alone any server below that. There’s so few fights that most of the time you’re fighting that 1 person on an arrow cart trying to defend a tower and that’s it. Or maybe 10 people show up to karma train a map like KN does in T7-T8.

Let’s be real here, OCX populations in games have never been big due to low RL populations. In a game about coverage and populations, realistically speaking, we could maybe spread out in 3 tiers MAX. There’s tons more SEA players than OCX players, but again, not enough to spread out through all the tiers like NA players and could spread out over 5 tiers, but to the detriment of everyone due to low opposition and PVD in empty maps.

If it’s happening in T1 where a 10 man group could PVD down map during that time due to little opposition, how can lower tiers do any better?

Idk, I think you t1 guys just assume everything in TS is all that is in the wvw mode, which isn’t the case. If 10 people pvd down a map in your timeslot, that’s sad. My server would crush T1 if that were the case (in sea), 1 of our SEA guilds can field more than that (SotD always fields more than that). Then there’s SoT, pugs, and Qrew if they stay up later. Our population varies, if no one tags up you’re looking at low pop like maybe 30 ppl in WvW all in all, but it can go much higher if there’s a pug com up and all guilds out. We were popping orange swords pvding today in SEA, it’s not THAT dead. Dh is also a server that doesn’t blob whatsoever, so we always have way a ton of roamers/havoc groups out.

An issue is in assuming that because some servers are dead in lower tiers, all servers are. GoM shot straight up from t6, we still destroy them in SEA, and they’re keeping up with IoJ/SBI in that timeslot (IoJ is not weak there from what I hear). We’d do even better than they’re doing.

All this “you must go t1/2” talk is just killing lower servers even more, you’re actively contributing to decreasing the probability that people will give lower tiers a shot… when high tier servers don’t need any more people. It’s just irresponsible if you’re taking into account the GAME’s health as opposed to your own server’s.

Sharpoon.8197:

Arius.7031:

Dh was stuck in bronze for a year and a half. A year and a half. Now? We recently dominated the strongest t5 server, chances are we’ll be in t4 eventually. We’re on the rise, and more transfers are coming in, because we pushed through. Every time a bunch of guilds jumped ship, our friends left and we wondered around with no com… we pushed through.

ET is as much a T8 server as JQ is a T1 server… and now sudden;y, they’re at the top of bronze.

GoM was in t8 for quite a while, they’re beating the middle t3 server (IoJ) at this moment.

IoJ and HoD were both stuck in bronze for quite a while. We used to dominate them day in and day out. Both server’s vets will almost certainly remember their matchups with Dh. They both pulled out quite a while ago and have been quite steadily able to stay in silver league.

All these servers rose up because others collapsed or got a lot weaker. The rising through ranks has the ability to give a false perception of strength and/or stability which encourages ill informed transfers and has the potential to snowball further. Not saying there’s anything wrong with that, some servers have definitely benefited from this good fortune.

That’s the point. No matter the reasoning behind it (and for the record, your reasoning can’t apply to ET, they got tons of transfers will sitting at rank 24, they didn’t get transfers after winning), if you’re patient your server can survive long enough to move up.

Servers rise and fall. How and why that happens is relatively unimportant, the point is that even a server at the bottom of t8 can and will rise. ET is one such example.

Dh was stuck in bronze for a year and a half. A year and a half. Now? We recently dominated the strongest t5 server, chances are we’ll be in t4 eventually. We’re on the rise, and more transfers are coming in, because we pushed through. Every time a bunch of guilds jumped ship, our friends left and we wondered around with no com… we pushed through.

ET is as much a T8 server as JQ is a T1 server… and now sudden;y, they’re at the top of bronze.

GoM was in t8 for quite a while, they’re beating the middle t3 server (IoJ) at this moment.

IoJ and HoD were both stuck in bronze for quite a while. We used to dominate them day in and day out. Both server’s vets will almost certainly remember their matchups with Dh. They both pulled out quite a while ago and have been quite steadily able to stay in silver league.

Servers rise and fall in WvW, the only thing that is constant is that servers grow/shrink. Now more than ever ranks are changing, with GoM/Dh taking silver by storm, and many silver servers falling into bronze.

The tips I can give are these:

1. Recruit. Make sure your server has an active, updated, and HONEST recruitment thread in the recruitment forums. If you get people to come to your server with dishonest claims, they’ll leave. Let them know what your weaknesses and your strengths are. Sell your server for what it’s good at. Get in contact with rich members of your server and see if they’d be willing to chip to AID transfers of players/guilds to your server (don’t buy people, again it won’t end well).

2. Contribute. Get a tag, if there isn’t a tag around and you’re outnumbered, don’t be afraid to tag up. Even if you get hardly anyone on you, persevere. More and more PvX players will come out if there is but a simple tag to follow. This will give your server some stability, instead of quitting WvW entirely because you’re doing bad, people will keep trying because they’ve got someone to follow.

3. Organize. Try to get your pugs into TS, if they won’t train them in basic WvW strategy (e.g. tell them to have blast finishers ready for when fire/static/water fields are dropped). Improve the capabilities of the people you DO have. There is nothing that impresses a guild interested in transferring more than competent pugs.

4. Try to keep positive. Don’t sit in map chat and tell your pugs how much they suck. Don’t tell them SoR is dead and you’ll never go anywhere. Even if this were true, there’s a saying in my family. When you speak, it should always be truthful, but not all truths should you speak. Make people WANT to be there by keeping a fun environment.

HoTR is an awesome guild that is supppeeerrrr helpful on Dh. They do a lot for our server and they wreck faces while doing it. Excellent roamers too from what I’ve seen. Why haven’t you joined them already?!

epiicsloth.1846:

Im sorry to announce this, but members of Darkhaven, are trying to snipe the best guilds off the low tier EU servers, for there night capping and pug commanding , you dont see EU server members coming to NA to steal guilds , we cope with what we can instead of trying to make a bandwagon to a server.

It’s patently false that EU don’t try to snipe NA guilds. In most EU threads, the first thing they announce is they’re looking for NA guilds. Where do those NA guilds come from? NA… Whether a person/group of people goes to a server to try to snipe specific guilds or not, it’s irrelevant to be honest. No matter what, if you get an NA guild to transfer to EU, 9/10 times it comes from the NA servers. Whether you targeted them or not is irrelevant, you took them.

I’m not privy to the details of this myself though, so idk if it’s even true. Just saying, don’t make a bigger deal out of it than it is. Further, posting this in our server recruitment thread is really low.

Welcome [Hero], [Orr], and [oops]! Great to have you guys.

I also believe we do in fact have zephy. So you should definitely transfer cus of that.

This is a guild.

You can join guild(s).

Pay me for the bump Del!

Tryden.6738:

Also we have Zephy. WE. HAVE. ZEPHY.

10/10 can confirm our server has Zephy. WE. HAVE. ZEPHY.

Rimmy tried paying me in game to bump this thread. Here’s the video proof: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MU6jgauOQE

Awesome and established guild on Dh. They may be PvX, but their members contribute a lot to our WvW scene as well. Great guild, highly recommended!

I thought I’d never up vote a comment again after all is vain. Nopeeee.

Johje Holan.4607:

The OP’edness involves might stacking right?

That’s a part of it for most players yeah. Cele brings a ton of tankiness, might stacking brings respectable damage. Might stacking is so OP on cele ele because it buffs both power and condi dmg, when you get full might stacks you’ll have the same power as a full power build and a ton of condi dmg to back it up. Since pretty much everything ele does in fire attune does normal damage and burning, you can do insane dps.

Relentliss.2170:

I am just wondering what classes are supposed to be able to kill an Ele? Cause they seem to take a long time dying.

Zerk Warriors/Thieves/Mesmers (both phantasm and shatter) can all kill eles in short order, especially if bursts are timed right and not blown while protection is up. Ele has the lowest vitality pool in the game, so if a smart condi necro/engi/ranger waits until after the ele has swapped to and out of water attune, you can easily murdered an ele in a couple of seconds.

There are plenty of ways to kill an ele… Fighting an ele requires as much knowledge as it takes to play an ele. That’s fair considering ele takes more effort/knowledge to effectively play (ESPECIALLY w/o cele) than any class other than possibly engi/thief.

Ynot.8397:

At least make a few suggestions(they don’t even have to be good) if you are going to make a thread to complain. So no, I don’t want to “thank Anet.”

Y Not as the voice of reason? There’s something wrong here…

Reverence.6915:

OP as kitten and one of the best counters against the cancer condi meta we have these days

This. My advice is don’t do it, cele is as much a crutch as PU is for Mesmers. Go glassier, have fun and get better at the class than cele will let you imo. But it’s definitely funny destroying all the super cheese builds out there.

The issue isn’t ele, if it were we’d see ammy’s other than cele in spvp. The issue is cele, fundamentally, is broken at the moment. It works to make certain hybrid builds strong, ones that can might stack. Axebow, hambow, multiple engi/mes builds that don’t have clever names all become ridiculously strong as well with cele and/or might stacking. The issue is in the might stacking meta and how well that interacts with the “eh” offensive stats of cele. Cele makes ele virtually impossible to kill, while might stacks boost the DPS.

It works so well with d/d Ele because Ele (like war/engi/mes) is naturally geared towards hybrid dps. A lot of attacks (esp fire attune and to some degree earth attune) do both condi/straight up dps application. If you’ve never thought about it, even a low-ish burn tick is quite a bit of dmg. Think, 500-600 dmg per second is going to equal an eviscerate in just a few seconds, and eles will re apply burning quite rapidly. This while they’re doing standard power dps.

W/o cele ele can be strong, but no more op than a lot of other prominent builds.

Jim Hunter.6821:

BlazeQ.1095:

A lot of people argue that this will be negative because servers will loose their identity.

Most of the people that are against this know that it will only be a temporary solution since there is nothing to stop people from continuing to stack on tier 1 servers. What’s the point of destroying communities if it doesn’t fix anything?

This, and there are more sensible less destructive options that are easier to implement that we should obviously try first. First we should give incentives for starting out on or transferring to servers that have lower population. If that doesn’t help, we can start talking more drastic measures like merging servers.

Further, why should we assume that higher population is ACTUALLY better for servers/the game in the long run? Sure, some people say they want more people to play with, other people like less players. More fundamentally however, have you ever noticed the toxicity that is prevalent the higher up you go in tiers? Check gw2wvw for example, the high tier threads are absolutely filled with trash, and they even drop down to bronze tier threads to make fun of us/bash us frequently.

Another issue is options. In some ways you have more options on higher tier servers, in other ways you have less. For example, on low tiers a small havoc group can (if at the right place at the right time) change the course of an entire day of WvW. It’s rare, true, but it happens. In low tiers, it’s possible to capture a paper keep with 5 or less people, it’s risky but it’s definitely feasible. Every so often you’ll even see t3 things flipped by havoc groups. People call this PvD/PvE, but that’s not the case. The exciting thing about it is that you know a wild zerg could come at any second, but that there’s also a chance you’ll successfully take the keep. It’s a battle of efficiency, speed, timing, and awareness. The offensive group picks the best target, sets up the cap as quickly and efficiently as possible (often preparing an hour ahead of time), and it’s up to the small BL defense crew to keep an eye on things and warn the zerg if things get out of hand. It’s a LOT of fun, it’s my favorite activity in this game at the moment. That just isn’t seriously plausible in higher tiers.

That’s just one example, but I hope the point has been conveyed. Bigger isn’t necessarily better for the server or the game, even if some people think it is (and again, some people also think it’s not, most bronze people like it in bronze).

As a Darkhaven player (been in bronze 99% of gw2, all the way down to T7), noopppeeeeeee. Do not merge my server with any other server please. I like the server I play on, I’d leave if I didn’t. Leaving is in option, but if server merges occur I never have the option to go to Darkhaven again, it’s gone.

The same line of argument that has been used forever in these discussions seems to stand… This is a severe, irreversible option (forever destroy the individual servers). Even if we’re to consider this an option (when lots and indeed most of low tier players don’t want it), we at least need to make it our last resort. First we should discuss proper incentives to stop stacking high tiers and spread some population around on the lower tier servers.

MEAN is not only one of the coolest guilds around (try to find a person on Dh that doesn’t like them, you’ll fail), they’re one of the most skilled in bronze easily. Whether it be in duels, 5v5s, or zerg busting, they are simply top notch quality. Amazing guild, highly recommended!

IchigoHatake.5098:

Hey guys, I have been fighting lots of celestial eles lately, any tips on how to beat one using sigil of generosity? I was fighting one using necro, but if i corrupt his boons, he either transfer the condi to me or the condi gets removed so quickly it that it doesnt do much. I tried using power necro, but his boons are insane, can’t do any dmg. I feel that it’s extremely hard to kill them due to their sustain, they keep healing back to full, and eventually you get worn out.

This is the same for cleric rangers, they don’t die at all, their regen + toughness + healing = invincibility in 1v1 or small group fights.

General tips:

-Bomb them with condis while they’re in water, as switching to water is usually 1-2 condi cleanses itself, meaning the swap to water condi cleanse routine can’t be used again for at bare minimum 12s, leaving them only heal and cleansing fire if they use either.

-Save boon strip + staff 5 or death shroud 3 for when they go to use ether renewal. If they have stability boon strip + fear then condi bomb HARD.

-Ele cleanses are more sustainey condi removal. Most eles will run EITHER ether renewal or cleansing fire, so you gotta adjust accordingly. They key is bombing them hard when they use up their big condi cleanse (otherwise the absolute literal max condi cleanse they’ll have is 3 from swapping to water with condi cleanse on regen trait, dagger 5, and evasive arcana dodging).

-Signet of spite is EXCELLENT for forcing a panic condi cleanse, which can kill an ele easily. Get them with it, good chance they’ll ether renewal immediately, and then follow 2nd tip.

-To reiterate, save your a boon strip for when they use stability (preferably corrupt boon).

Brutal Augus.5917:

Nymph of Meliai.6739:

Another qq warrior – spend a year invincible in wvw and when a patch comes out that gives one of the weakest classes in the game a chance to actually do some damage to a warrior they cry about how OP mesmers are….

sorry but that is complete rubbish… I can wear full berz gear and have all my weapons and stats set to maximum damage and not even move the health bar of a warrior. The only way to possibly do any damage to a warrior is to use conditions or spend 40 minutes dodging and hitting without being hit in return.

And running in zergs the class that repeatedly gets the least amount of loot and wxp is the mesmer.

If you can’t be bothered to target your attacker and re-target after they come out of cloak then you deserve to die like the noob you are… mesmers are the least loved class in GW. The skill fail-rate on a mesmer is unbelievable and it is the only class in the game that has an elite that buffs the player they are fighting and can kill them if the person being turned into a moa keeps their wits instead of running in panic.

The patch actually nerfed quite a few mesmer things and the only buff they got was on a scepter that has just as much chance to kill the mesmer than it has to kill their foe. But then we don’t expect people who qq about mesmers to know how to play the game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w29bKyUnmkE

I’m going to assume this was directed at myself and the others commenting on the Mesmer changes in this thread.

1. I play all classes, and have them all to 80. My warrior barely gets touched because I find other classes more enjoyable to play. So your “qq warrior” statement is irrelevant.

2. Why on earth would you put your Mesmer in full zerk when you have so much condition damage potential?

3. We are not talking about shatter, we are discussing PU.

He called mes one of the weakest classes in the game. I don’t think any amount of reasoning is going to get through…

Brutal Augus.5917:

You should read the entirety of the comment you quoted, then you would know that noone is suggesting that the AA alone is a “total destroyer”. I think you took my original comment to seriously. Who in their right mind is going to stand stationary in one position and ONLY spam 1?The problem is not even the AA alone, its everything that can be potentially combined with it. The AA In combination with everything I mention in the extremely lengthy explanation(yes I know, I wall of text from time to time.) you quoted is what makes the mesmer potentially OP, it becomes pretty obvious why its a bad addition to the game when you take into account everything else the mesmer has at it’s disposal. It is certainly not a “weak buff” as you previously dubbed it. Having play tested a maximum condi build of my own design prior to this feature pack, and now after its release, I can without a doubt confirm this.

I read it and understood what you were saying. At the risk of sounding like I’m just copying you, I think you took what I said too seriously. I’m saying it’s a minor buff at best, the time spent auto attacking on scepter even post patch is going to be very low, most of the seconds you’ll spend on that set will be doing phantasm/scepter 2/3 and stealthing/dodging when you feel is best. A good player will spend so little time auto attacking that it’s not going to add many torment stacks in the end. When it all comes down to it, either the mes is sacrificing survivability (by not dodging or stealthing) to auto attack, or is sacrificing dps (by not popping phantasm depending on offhand and scepter 2/3).

Ultimately, Mesmer was already pretty op. This doesn’t really change that, it only makes the opness slightly worse (the change to sword 3, imo, is MUCH more powerful, hybrid mesmers are now ridiculous thanks to these 2 changes). I agree it’s a bad change, but people need to stop acting like it’s the end of the world. Over-reactions to balance changes are what cause knee-jerk balancing to occur. We need to temper our reactions and state things accurately, otherwise we’re just making the balancing team’s job harder.

Brutal Augus.5917:

Arius.7031:

Brutal Augus.5917:

step one: “Level mesmer to 80”

step two: “Max condition damage and duration”

step three: “Equip scepter with superior sigil of torment”

step four: “Spam one and back pedal”

step five: “Eat Tacos”

The auto attack is 2 seconds of torment on first, and 3s on 2nd attack. Even with 100% extra torment duration that’s not a total destroyer, and even trying to land that many auto attacks successively to stack high torment would leave you completely open to bursts… I’d laugh if any mes tried to auto attack me to death.

Weak buff is weak, any mes that auto attacks enough to stack significant torment is bad to start with, otherwise it’s just 1-3 stacks here and there.

You fail to take into account that most will equip a superior sigil of torment and the other skills on mesmer scepter and what they do. The potential is torment stack is more than 1-3. I can stack 8.
Allow me to share some math with you:

The damage dealt by torment is determined by the following formula:

(0.0375 * Condition Damage) + 31.875 per stack per second at level 80

lets plug in my max:

(0.0375*2278) + (31.875*8)= 340.425. (without superior sigil of torment proc)
If the target is moving the damage is dealt twice per second. Since you pretty much HAVE to move to fight a mesmer we might as well just assume you’re going to do 680 condition damage per second.

thats 5440 hp from one condition in 8 seconds. Keep in mind that 5.4k may seem like a small amount, BUT THIS IS FROM ONE CONDITION, and I’m not including might(Grants extra 35 power and condition damage per stack) into my calculations. Do I really need to go into the damage output possibilities when paired with confusion?

This is only from the three scepter skills used to gain 8 stacks. Pair this condition damage with the rest of the applicable conditions from not only your clones but your skills and traits of a good build and even a somewhat experienced mesmer and what you get can be described in two words:

OVER-POWERED.

I will be making a youtube video to demonstrate my points. I will post it into the “Class Balance” sub forum

I actually didn’t fail to take anything into account, I flat out stated that even with 100% duration it’s not a total destroyer. If perhaps staff were applying torment passively like this, then there’d be a problem (as when you’re on staff, 90% of your time will be spent auto attacking naturally as two skills are insta cast, other two are long cd fire and forget). As it stands, sitting still and auto attacking w/o stealth is going to leave you a sitting duck, and your time is better spent DPS-wise doing other things (e.g. scepter 2/3, your phantasm, of choice, etc…). Even with strong torment application from auto attacks, you’re not going to be doing enough torment to justify sitting there auto attacking. It can’t be used as a primary thing, only as a supplement. This means you’re never going to get to sit there and generate your maximum possible torment stacks with auto attacks against a decent opponent.

Brutal Augus.5917:

step one: “Level mesmer to 80”

step two: “Max condition damage and duration”

step three: “Equip scepter with superior sigil of torment”

step four: “Spam one and back pedal”

step five: “Eat Tacos”

The auto attack is 2 seconds of torment on first, and 3s on 2nd attack. Even with 100% extra torment duration that’s not a total destroyer, and even trying to land that many auto attacks successively to stack high torment would leave you completely open to bursts… I’d laugh if any mes tried to auto attack me to death.

Weak buff is weak, any mes that auto attacks enough to stack significant torment is bad to start with, otherwise it’s just 1-3 stacks here and there.

LexIcon.2819:

Do not test your nerves and waste your time on an Ele, it is simply not worth it.

What?

Valin.6873:

Uhh.. help?
So I mainly play WvW.. but i love to roam around and use my daggers.. (i have Incinerator). But one of my most favorite combos to use is Burning Speed with Lightning Flash.. But out of the ten times I’ve used it 9 times it failed and teleported me back to my original starting spot. So.. does anyone know what happened to it?
Is it officially broken? :/

-Valin

1. Don’t move in any direction with wasd while using it.
2. Use LF just as your char turns around in the combo.

These are the tips I’ve heard from other eles to make it not bug out, but it has almost never bugged out for me so I can’t confirm.

Fought many of these folks in game, deceptively skilled players. Some of the best on SoR actually. Highly recommended if their goals are in line with yours.

That said I’m still upset about you not being assigned to me xivor. The rp walks that could have been…

Dano.5298:

ET officially dominating NA prime time. Need one or two oceanic guilds and we are knocking on t6, maybe even t5.

Have a decent day crew nowadays also. Come give us a shot!

Mmm T5 is a whole different ball game, trust me :P.

ET is an amazing server that has a dedicated playerbase. They’ve been through more than any server NA server (probably EU server too) and they’ll continue until they’re clawed their way out of t8 by force if they have to. If you’re looking to transfer, and are for some reason so silly as to not go to Darkhaven, go ET, they deserve you!

Without a doubt one of the best zerg busting groups in the game, very likely the best in bronze. Everyone on Darkhaven loves them as one of the only guilds who stuck with us when others would leave. These guys are our heroes, and I cannot recommend them more highly.

Sergie.7865:

Arius, this started the issue with an otherwise clean thread:

“Just as you guys started to grow and look good on Darkhaven you jumped ship and bandwagon to DR.. Hate it when guilds do this to servers.. Goodluck DR when you guys start losing to a tough server, get ready for all your “loyal” guilds to say goodbye”

We talked to many ppl there, checking the situation and seeing if ppl happy with what they had..many said yea..some said no. Much respect to those there..was fun fights..really was. But the ppl that came to DR..like it here. Leave it that and lets move on. Agreed?

I never post negatively in a recruitment thread unless it’s as a response to what someone else has said/done :P. Certain folks here (civil though it may have been) did bash my server, so that’s why I responded. It doesn’t really matter what Que said, at best (not even admitting to this), they’d have reason to bash Que for what he said. But they bashed my server as a whole, for what Que alone said. I think that justifies my response :P.

I still consider Turgon a cool guy, never really knew mindstate too well but he seems agreeable enough. I ain’t trying to be a hater lol.

MindstateRPM.6291:

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Before replying, I’d like to get it out of the way that I’m not trying to derail the thread… I stayed quiet in this thread since you left for a reason. Regardless of what Quednau has said, you guys took it upon yourselves to attack Dh as a whole, so now I’ll take it upon myself to respond.

Firstly, you point out how the server is reliant on a few small guilds. What server isn’t? You’re either a server that pugblobs everything into oblivion, or your guild groups carry you, it’s one or the other and the former is definitely less preferable to the latter. I understand not liking the atmosphere of feeling you’re needed for success. However, the alternative has it’s downsides as well. On DR, you may be welcomed, but do you feel needed at all? If you left would DR by any different? No, you’re nothing on DR, you are you’re just another number. BEVR isn’t special like it was on Dh, you guys were loved by 95% of the server, myself included, you weren’t some guild everyone on our server was told to welcome so we could make a push for t3. On DR, you’re just another number, another member of the bandwagon hype-train.

You have a point on organization. A very, very good point.

As to your insistence that it’s toxic, I have guildies from DR that insist the same exact thing… Literally, in one matchup with them, we had 3 DR people transfer and join my guild. All of them had an overwhelmingly negative opinion (cept one which was just mostly negative) on it, have been on Dh for weeks and are much, much happier. Ask Dirty, I had them all join a party with him in a last ditch effort to scare him back into transferring to Dh!

Edit: Also, are you referring to fury? They’re not a new guild, they left Dh quite a while ago, and since then left the server the transferred to. Is anyone surprised they left Dh again?

Praetor.9863:

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Hmm, I see all this talk of a toxic community… when 99% of the time my experiences with BEVR were positive. Sure there are isolated incidents of this or that player doing something stupid, but the vast majority of people were appreciative to BEVR and many tried to show it. I was super supportive of you guys, thanking y’all for tagging up/sending some siege/talking y’all up in map chat… Most people shared my sentiments.

But if you’re going to insist that Dh’s community is toxic, oh well. You’re welcome to your opinion, but it sounds to me more like an excuse for why you left, not something you actually believe. The people that counted had your back, and you let us all down (not trying to be mean, just honest).

Shademehr.1397:

Jeknar.6184:

Shademehr.1397:

If Anet did a server merge, I wouldn’t kick and scream about it for too long. With that being said, I do have two specific servers in mind that I would rather not be married to.

Sorrow’s Furnace and… Hmmmmm… Sanctum of Rall?

Neither of those two..

Arius.7031:

How many times will the vast majority of non-ET players from low tier servers shout no?

I’m not sure that I’ve even seen any ET players actually condoning it. The most amicable post that I’ve seen has been from me and my closing comment was basically that I wouldn’t spend too much time kicking and screaming about it. But that’s not to say I still wouldn’t do SOME kicking and screaming.

I’m more referring to past threads where ET did have a significant number of people in favor of the merges.

I guess it will pop-up as one possibility for more balance, till the imbalance issue is resolved in one or the other way.
But during the last year ANet only actively increased imbalance by removing queue for overstacked servers (EotM) and reward further stacking with seasons-rewards for winners. So we will likely see it again and again for a while.

Yeah but it’s just such a bad idea rofl, and more than that it’s a last resort type of idea. Before even discussing such a hugely flawed and ill-conceived thought as merging wvw servers, we should at least discuss less drastic measures such as transfer incentives to lower servers etc…

How many times will this thread keep popping up? How many times will the vast majority of non-ET players from low tier servers shout no? Stop trying to force a change on us that we don’t want. I love my server as it is (8 weeks of either DR or NSP, both servers which belong in silver, constant slaughter), and do not want to be forced to move so some minority don’t have to pay a bit of in game cash.

Assassin X.8573:

Which servers are we going to see the most bandwagoners go to this round?!

Place your bets now!

Tier x : server name

Archeage obviously.

tetrodoxin.2134:

What’s the “counterplay” to flashing blade, judges intervention, infiltrators strike or steal? Compared to those skills, iLeap is still countered pretty easily. In fact, it’s the only skill mentioned that can be countered at all. The clone still can be killed, and the swap still has delay.

Not every skill needs counter play, but critical/important skills are usually better off with some solid counterplay. Steal is a high CD skill. For a Mesmer in the context of using a sword, immobilize is crucial to set up bursts (even phantasm mesmers use it to guarantee landing an iduelist etc… let alone shatter). Making there be almost 0 counter play on such a powerful skill that’s easily repeated, on a class that’s already considered op in things such as 1v1s? That’s maybe not a good idea.

I’m on a low tier server that has been in the same losing matchup for over a month. I will quit the game if my server is merged. I enjoy where our server is at, though I would enjoy more variance in matchups. I don’t want to be forcibly merged with a community I may or may not like. I don’t want to be merged into a population equal or superior to that of current silver league servers. I like it precisely where I am (t6). People can transfer off if they don’t like it here, but once my server is merged it’s gone forever. Unacceptable to me personally. Just my opinion.

retconned.9358:

Arius.7031:

NSP is the one that disappeared and got wrecked a couple weeks back when a PvE patch lauched xD. We wp’d your bay/hills and almost your garry as well, during the middle of the day… Regardless, we have many fine roaming guilds (sold, jpgn, rdh, hail) and many fine zerg busting guilds (bevr, mean, tag, mean recently beat EDGE again in gvgs).

Also hi harley, this is nassor’s ele friend if you remember :P.

how is doing this right after a new content patch (just like you said) when there are little to no defenders (again just like you said) an accomplishment to brag about?

Because the point isn’t to brag, but to counter the claim that Dh is more PvE inclined than NSP. All evidence suggests that NSP is more PvE inclined than Dh, one such piece is that Dh rolled over NSP the second the content patch came out a few weeks back.

Baron Oakley.1539:

Arius.7031:

NSP is the one that disappeared and got wrecked a couple weeks back when a PvE patch lauched xD.

So true. Historically, PvE patches have nerfed NSP WvW pretty hard (for the day/evening of the patch). Speaking as an NSP-er, I was pretty surprised this week when that wasn’t the case.

Has been a strange week… NSP night capped lel.

LordByron.8369:

Delta Blues.8507:

I would put D/D ele way up.

There’s the guy I roam with that’s just insane, it has almost my same mobility (thief with perma swiftness + sb),

NO

can flip a camp in 5secs with FGS and i haven’t seen him lose once, crazy costant healing and costant fairly high damage pressure.

any build can flip camps…
FGS is just wasting an elite for fleeing purposes or PvE in WWW….a bad mindset.

But I have to say I haven’t encountered many really good eles roaming.

That because ele is extremely situational.

You can build for 1VS1 and be a freekill in XVSX (with X<5) or you can build a XvsX and be unable to kill anything in 1VS1

Also you can’t escape thieves and warriors.

Ele are fantastic in roaming ONLY if your opponet is lacking not if you are skilled.
(you find the reasons in PvP differences between WWW… ele has mobility BURST but lack a decent sustained mobility due to Cooldowns).

But the standard 0/2/0/6/6 d/d ele is fantastic in team fights and dueling… FGS is huge sustained mobility, only bad in situations where you need to enter the water like the ruins.

panicbutton.1053:

bloodletting wolf.2837:

Ceaszar.4532:

Go for Darkhaven. Beaten NSP twice and now being beaten by two Bronze tier servers. Just saying.

Seems you spoke too soon.

I mean this as personal speculation of the last two weeks — DH seems more PvE geared. There are absolute gems here and there, but for the most part I’ve not met good roamers. I have about 10 hours of roaming footage to show for just DH encounters as well :/ Winning a zerg fest isn’t indicative of a server being better than another is what I’m trying to say.

NSP is the one that disappeared and got wrecked a couple weeks back when a PvE patch lauched xD. We wp’d your bay/hills and almost your garry as well, during the middle of the day… Regardless, we have many fine roaming guilds (sold, jpgn, rdh, hail) and many fine zerg busting guilds (bevr, mean, tag, mean recently beat EDGE again in gvgs).

Also hi harley, this is nassor’s ele friend if you remember :P.

Loosmaster.8263:

Arius.7031:

Loosmaster.8263:

The gold I can’t answer for. The so called bandwagon, maybe 3-4 small guilds. Roaming is good on the BL’s. EB, you will prob get ganked. There is a lot of duel in EB also.

TBT, DmD, WZ, SM, etc… all dem small guilds yo…

Other than maybe DmD(10-15) online at one time, the rest maybe 8, SM I hardly see in WvW. Yes, small guilds.

What? WZ and TBT are small? Please tell me I misunderstood, or have you never even seen these guilds in wvw?

TBT video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6scmNCi-JiU

WZ is bigger than TBT last I checked in sheer numbers.

Arewn.2368:

I’m happy to see Trahearn back. The way the letter was written actually made me excited for what was to come.
Not to mention he wasn’t that bad in the first place. People made him into a huge scapegoat for their problems with the PS, and many people just hate on him because they hear other people hate on him.

And no matter how bad he was, it would be far wrose if they didn’t include him. Kill him off? forget him? How utterly lame and boring would that be. Like it or not, he’s a significant figure in Tyria, to brush him aside and never mention him in the story would be leaving a significant hole.
Much better to bring him back and simply improve his character and the writing surrounding him.

100% agree. Trahearne had his faults, but as a character he had a lot less than people pretend he did. The personal story had a lot of flaws, and for some stupid reason Trahearne has become the embodiment of all of them.

Loosmaster.8263:

The gold I can’t answer for. The so called bandwagon, maybe 3-4 small guilds. Roaming is good on the BL’s. EB, you will prob get ganked. There is a lot of duel in EB also.

TBT, DmD, WZ, SM, etc… all dem small guilds yo…

Fought them for a few week straights a while back, one of the best/most respectable guilds I’ve ever faced. Dh learned a lot from them, and had a lot of fun in the process. I can’t recommend them more.

Bump for mean, super fun guild, epic underwater zerg busting… run with em every chance I get.

I’d honestly say Darkhaven, obvious bias aside.

1. We have coverage, unlike most other servers in bronze. This means if you play during off hours, you’ll have people to play with chances are. We’re not a server that only has a night crew and no day crew either, we’re a good all around server. There’s never less than a dozen people in WvW, even in the dead of night, we usually have 30+ on in WvW (I commanded a 35 man zerg a couple nights ago at 2am PST myself lol). Our morning crew is also exceptionally strong for bronze.

2. We have every kind of crew you could want to run with. We have zerg busting guilds (MEAN, BEVR, TAG), very skilled roaming guilds (JPGN, SOLD, HAIL, RDH), and a whole host of PvX and casual WvW guilds.

3. A strong core. You don’t have to worry about hitting t8, we’ve seen our fair share of hard times and we’ve never fallen below t7. Our community is strong and close together.

4. Never giving up. We don’t give in, ever. We were behind NSP by 30k a few days ago, now we’re ahead by close to 40k. We don’t give in, we fight, we don’t back down and we don’t PvE once the going gets rough. If you want people who will fight with you no matter how hard it gets, we’re your server.

That said, Jeknar is right. NSP and Dh, in particular, are significantly larger than the other servers in bronze at the moment (possibly excluding SoR). While I feel this population is a good thing, as it strikes the balance between the zerging of silver and the smaller scale focus of lower tier servers, it may not be for everyone.

If you have any questions, feel free to message me and we can discuss it more.

Quednau.7390:

^One of the best guilds on Darkhaven! Very friendly and very OP!

Can confirm. Best SEA guild currently in bronze, not hyperbole, unchallengable fact. One of the nicest too, ran with them back when it was just 4 people upgrading random stuff and defending, ran with em when it was large scale zerg busting… amazing bunch, no question.