Guild Wars 2

Rashka.7304:

Two weeks ago DH was PvEing through the maps at night against SR and SoR. They made it second after SR with only 2k difference.

Last week same matchup and DH thought all they need to do is improving their daytime performance to win that round. While SR gave up on the DH nightzerg SoR pushed back. Hard.

Result was not only that DH gave up after facing reasonable resistance, on top of it certain individuals spread false rumors about guild transfers and hacking. And here, not 24h after they were beaten down one tier the same folks are padding themselves on their shoulders again. Some of DH really need to learn some diginity.

Yes, except for we were still usually ahead in the 2-6am region, where most of our nightzerging takes place. So we didn’t “give up”. Unfortunately, when outnumbered, as other people in this thread have so willingly pointed out, there’s not much you can do. It was a common misunderstanding that we outnumbered the other servers during the night — in fact, I’d be willing to say SoR outnumbered us all along. Rather, we were willing and able to gather all of our night time participants into one zerg, and thus were successful. Unfortunately for us, SoR got their act together and was able to use the numerical advantage it does have to defeat us, by having more people we simply could not cover all bases at all times.

But, you are right in that Dh got hugely demoralized. If we couldn’t dominate the night, we simply had no chance of winning, because SoR was simply more organized and had larger numbers.

Pangie.3217:

Kodiack.2783:

Here is a little history lesson for you pros in Darkhaven.
Week 1 we were stuck with Yaks’ Bend, currently ranked 13th.
Week 2-3 we were stuck with NSP, currently ranked 15th.
So excuse us in Anvil Rock if we aren’t impressed with your virtual domination of the map. What your fighting now are the die hards that wont’ quit and jump ship to a winning server.
Here’s another tip. You’re bragging about beating up on the lower 25% of the entire server list. Nobody is impressed.
-K

It’s funny you bring this up because Darkhaven also fought with Yaks bend that week and the last two weeks we fought SoR which is currently ranked 14. So we’re right here with you.

Oh and what you’re fighting now are also the die hards that didn’t give up on DH and jump servers even after we got spanked by Yaks and SoR.

But I will admit that Arius jumped the gun with saying DH won this week. The match up just started and a lot can happen in a week.

Btw, why does it seem that these threads always turn into flame wars? Why can’t we all just enjoy the game and congratulate each other on some good matches? I played a few hours today in Anvil Rock Borderland and it was a lot of fun fighting Anvil Rock.

When did I say we’ve already won? I said we have strong night time organization, but I don’t recall ever having said we’ve won. I really wish people would read my posts before commenting on them.

@Zulubeast

Your post was well thought out, but I believe it was wrong on multiple points.

“Hell, I was even on one of the “nightcap” runs where we’d usually flip the whole map on EB in an hour, and we couldn’t even get our own keep back. We’d go from tower to tower flipping it and SoR would be right behind us just retaking it, essentially negating anything that our “uber organized nightcapping team” achieved.”

This is due to multiple reasons, that SoR people will even admit:

1. They used Mesmers (legally or illegally) to gain entrance to our towers/keeps. Seriously, go ask them, they admitted to doing it legally, though some of us believe it was sometimes illegal (and one person posted video evidence I’m too lazy to dig up).

2. SoR had a numerical advantage, all but three zones at any given time would give us the outmanned buff — especially during the night time.

3. Did you run with the night zerg regularly? If you did, you would know that it has pretty huge amounts of organization. A lot goes into scouting, supplying, and a few other underappreciated things that are done. Unfortunately, most people are just taking part in the seemingly mindless zerg, and do not know what is happening (I don’t know if you’re one of them or not).

Where is this “backpadding” you’re seeing? I’ve seen perhaps two people brag or boast about Dh being ahead. I don’t know Zulu, I’m going to be honest here (with all due respect), it seems to me you’re attacking straw-men (as are others, such as the one who I quoted). Darkhaven has bragged very little in this thread or around the forums, though I have seen one or two posts.

Kodiack.2783:

A few things.

-This bracket isn’t like your last bracket. You’ll soon figure that out.
-This bracket is competitive for about 5-6 hours during prime time.
-Nobody wants to hear your servers drama about how you are making things work even though you lost guilds, we’ve heard it before.
-We’ll have fun, it just wont’ be the type of fun you had in the previous bracket.

Kodiack, with all due respect, your bad attitude is not necessary. Anvil Rock is not the only server ever to be hugely outnumbered, we’ve had it the same as you have. I get that it’s frustrating, and that you’re frustrated, that does not mean that you need to act rudely. We cannot help that you guys are undermanned. The guy you quoted was just meaning to say that you can either give up, or try to get your act together, that’s your choice.

Also, if any Anvil Rock person in EB sees this, <3. I’m the Mesmer who has been sleeping/dancing with y’all :P.

Kodiack,

I agree with you, partially, but there are a few points that need to be made.

1. We were right there beside Anvil Rock (it was your right?) with Yak’s Bend, we know what facing overwhelming numbers is like.

2. We just faced SoR who gave us the outmanned buff pretty much at all times, yet we still know and acknowledge their superior organization.

3. I’m not trying to brag or be adversarial. The only thing I’m trying to get out there is that Dh is not completely disorganized — we’re not bad at night time.

Cael.2641:

My money’s on Rall.

Whatever you do, Yak’s Bend cannot be allowed to win.

We didn’t lose to you for you to lose to them.

No.

Way.

Good luck all around! I hope the match is a good one and stays close ’til the very end!

This so many times… SoR, you cannot lose to Yak’s Bend!

Kodiack.2783:

Arius.7031:

I agree, Bladie. All I’m saying is that aside from our numbers advantage, we also do enjoy strong night time organization IMO.

Its only the numbers that matter. You forget that we’ve heard this song before from Yak’s Bend and NSP. “We’re better organized and skilled” its not numbers.

What I hope is becoming clear to servers above Anvil Rock. There is a massive gap in WvV participation when you come down to this tier.

If all goes as the past 3 match-ups have gone, DH should win by a massive score 200k+ due simply to numbers, if it isnt’ clear now wait till Monday when folks go back to work and WvW is virtually empty except for prime time hours.

-K

You seem to misunderstand me, I’m not claiming we don’t have numbers as an advantage, I’m saying we have massive organization at night time as well. The only reason I even said that, was because the comment I was responding to seemed to suggest that Darkhaven does not have organization. Quite the opposite is true, we’re capable of taking on larger forces during the night time, as we demonstrated again and again in our past two matches.

Thank you very much!

Can we get a score picture?

Good luck to all involved. SF, you better not win by too much if you do, because Dh wants another shot at you!

I agree, Bladie. All I’m saying is that aside from our numbers advantage, we also do enjoy strong night time organization IMO.

bladie.5084:

FC’s got quitters and no coordination
Darkhaven’s got numbers.
Anvil Rock’s got pretty good coordination but they need more active guilds on that server tbh.

Darkhaven has a very strong night time organization. I know it’s tempting to say that when someone takes the entire map, it’s all because of numbers — and that can be true. In this case though, Darkhaven is extremely organized during the night. Though it’s fair to say we’re disorganized during the day.

Hey guys, figured I’d try to get a thread about this match going. Good luck to all parties involved, but Darkhaven is going to win.

Current score:

I don’t know if it’s accurate because I’m way too lazy to go over it, but props Ocyris for putting in the effort! If it is true, that means Dh is stuck with SoR… not cool.

Here’s the DH vs SoR vs SF situation:

Ugh, Dh still hasn’t won. We’re destined to be second place, forever >.<…

Seriously, every WvW I’ve participated in ended with us in 2nd.

Edit: Except one, and it sucked, we did what SoR is doing now… domination.

InterCityFirmWhu.4936:

Whats the score right now??

This :/

Billy Mcfloy.4830:

Sir William PD.9615:

Billy Mcfloy.4830:

Sir William PD.9615:

Billy Mcfloy.4830:

one of those has a commander icon he puts on a few screenshots later if that helps figuring out who that is for you.

How can an enemy realm see a CMDR icon?

With your eyeballs i suppose.

Very insightful. Thanks for being so helpful.

;p it shows the commander icon over the players head

Are you referring to that golden star thing? If you are, then that’s for 100% world completion. If you’re not though, can you point out where specifically for us to look for commander icon? I didn’t know you could see enemy commanders, it would sure help me with my targeting in the future!

Very well thought out suggestions, I agree with most though some I have a few concerns with. Thanks for taking the time to think up and write such in-depth suggestions!

EnochDagor.6185:

Arius.7031:

Ald, you are wrong about there not being any close match ups.

The last match between Sanctum of Rall, Darkhaven, and SF was extremely close. This most recent match was different, Sanctum of Rall dominated quite clearly, however they will likely be moving out of our bracket. The last match Sorrow’s Furnace beat Darkhaven by like 1,000 points for the win, so if we get matched up again, it could be a very good fight.

If you want a good fight, with not bad queues, go Darkhaven! The next match should be really close.

And to counter this, Sorrow’s Furnace is always looking for good players. Our queue times this past week have been negligible during peak times. However, with the caveat that most guilds were taking a break since this week was a rematch of last week. But even during our close match the previous week, queue times were not bad at all (5 minutes?) during peak times.

Don’t go to Darkhaven, they embrace death too much.

What our misguided friend here, EnochDagor, has failed to point out, is the undeniable fact that everyone on Sorrow’s Furnace has really funny mustaches (including the ladies)! In light of that fact, I think you should make the more rational choice, and go Darkhaven.

Both are great servers and I’m optimistic that should we get rematched, it will be really intense. SF beat Dh by 1k points last round, and we’re very eager to get a chance to correct that wrong. So I think our fight will be very competitive (I really hope so), and I think that anyone looking for a good fight should join one of these two servers.

And what did I deny? Go ahead, point out where I denied anything. We’re waiting.

Billy,

Okay so, how about we try to use that post to accomplish something…

First, let’s start with your claim.

“was most likely calling for them to come secure the keep after he ninjas it.”

Is there evidence for this? Did Darkhaven have anything connected to this place captured (e.g. did they have to run through a bunch of stuff your guys held, or did they capture nearby towers/keep/camps)?

Now, did this ranger gain entry illegally? Are you sure he wasn’t just in there when you took it (if you took it)? Don’t worry, I’l trust whatever you say — I have no reason to doubt you.

Unfortunately, your screenshot does little to help us identify this problem. Do you have a level (80 or less?), do you have a guild, and do you have looks (armor, hair, size, race)?

Basically, are you just posting a complaint post, or do you actually want something to come from it? Provide the information and we’ll try to deal with it, just like we’ve dealt with some of our hackers.

Siliconhobbit.4361:

Ptk.2736:

I just got a video of Sanctum of Rall exploiting a glitch. Guild LoE was doing it in numbers. Couple others, Ill upload it so you can see it. Essentially we were assualting Garrisson and SoR was just waypointing in even though it was contested. We were at this for 10 minutes before i started recording, and i only got last few minutes before we started to wipe

Using a contested waypoint is indeed possible even IF the keep or castle is under constant attack.

When any structure is under attack a dynamic event pops up. For this example we’ll use a keep: “Defend the keep from the attackers” This Dynamic event lasts 3 minutes and if the attackers are still attacking at that time, the dynamic event begins again. You can see the event constantly repeating itself if the structure you are in is under constant attack or bombardment from siege equipment.

HOWEVER, and this is the ‘fine print point’ I’m going to make. During the few seconds that one “Defend” dynamic event ENDS and the subsequent “Defend” dynamic event STARTS again you have a few precious seconds AT THE MOST when the waypoint becomes UNCONTESTED, allowing it’s use to teleport into the keep. If you are unable to take advantage of these few moments you’ll be stuck running to the keep.

As far as I know, this is NOT an exploit. If there is someone of knowledge that can speak to this matter otherwise or provide a link disputing this, then please weigh in as soon as possible.

This is a quote from one SoR player involved:

“I was there when this happened, basically, people were saying to fall back to garrison as our south gate was being attacked. Everyone sees the Waypoint open and spawns in, to see that the lord is already under attack and we end up in the cluster of enemies. Thing is, that waypoint never went contested.”

So your point, while insightful and actually quite useful, I think can safely be ruled out. Now, I do think that the most likely explanation is a glitch, unless a player could somehow change a WP’s status.

Ald, you are wrong about there not being any close match ups.

The last match between Sanctum of Rall, Darkhaven, and SF was extremely close. This most recent match was different, Sanctum of Rall dominated quite clearly, however they will likely be moving out of our bracket. The last match Sorrow’s Furnace beat Darkhaven by like 1,000 points for the win, so if we get matched up again, it could be a very good fight.

If you want a good fight, with not bad queues, go Darkhaven! The next match should be really close.

No need to be such a jerk about it Bull. This guy was trying to actually help, all you’re doing is being rude. Ptk, you do not need to apologize for anything, a mistake that hurts no one has no negative effect, and thus no apology is needed.

Devinchi.2756:

Can we stop with this whole pointing fingers thread? Seriously, SoR has a large lead and you all are going to attribute it to being because of hacks, exploits, and stealing guilds? All this quality time spent complaining on these forums can be spent in WvW helping your server win. Instead, somehow people think a crushing defeat would be justified due to underhanded playing? Man up!

I’m not saying that there isn’t people out there who exploit or hack, but in the large scheme of things, it makes little difference. The real problem is the WvW population for SF and DH isn’t even close to what it was last week. Whether that’s because SoR got their act together, or people are taking the week to pursue other goals, or maybe even both I don’t know. But I do know that this thread went from “good game” to “so-and-so guild is cheating.”, and that’s just sad.

Not many people are even complaining about it. People like Fractal Chaos are coming in and saying we’re complaining about it because they saw one message about it, but in reality, it has only been brought up by a couple of people (and at least 2 of them were only bringing it up to explain something — not to finger point).

I agree though, we need to get away from this finger pointing. With any luck SoR will be in a different match up next week so we can get back to even match ups. SF and Dh should still be a great fight — just don’t think Dh is done with you! We will improve, we will catch you, and we will beat you SoR! Just wait.

@Fractal Chaos
I’m going to try to be extra nice here.

First off, you were attacking straw men that entire time. I never once stated I believe that SoR has experienced a massive population boost. I congratulated you multiple times, because I feel that SoR became much more organized. Quote me where I said they’re doing better because they hacked and got a massive population.

Secondly, I’m sorry to say, Darkhaven has the outmanned buff in all but 3 zones almost at all times. You do outnumber us, this is not up for debate. To take that further, a lot of the people we do have, simply are not trying to WvW. That’s not your fault, it’s very clearly our fault, but it’s not like it’s even numbers.

Realistically speaking, there is simply no way you can reasonably say that all of the times you guys gained entrance into our holding without breaking down gates//walls was due to Mesmers waiting inside. It happens far too frequently, I doubt your server has that many Mesmers. More than that, even if you did, do you like strategically position Mesmers in tons of separate towers/keeps? Then how do they hide when we sweep it after taking it? What about the people that usually remain inside the keep for a while after we take it? What about the dozens of times we’ve seen experienced level 80 players shouting that you cheated to gain entry, or that you flew in to gain entry? What about the people from SF who had the exact same experiences as us?

All of this combined, and it’s more than reasonable to say that SoR has cheated some of the time. Sure, some of the time it probably was Mesmers, I buy that, but not so often. I’m not saying that’s the reason for your victory, just that (whether it is right or not) it has demoralized our player base.

So yeah, Fractal Chaos, keep ignoring my points and attack straw men. You never addressed a single thing I said, and you quite clearly didn’t read my posts. Also, only 2 or 3 Darkhaven players here have been sore losers… most of us are not. I have not been a sore loser, I’ve been honest about what is going on. You, however, have been boasting since SoR started to do well (before we were being “sore losers”), so don’t act like it’s in response to us. So keep on boasting and proclaiming your victory to the masses, neither Dh nor SF treated you like that last week.

What about Sanctum of Rall? Their lead isn’t as drastic as many other server leads are. SoR will probably stay or move up once in the bracket, while Darkhaven will probably stay the same, with Sorrow’s Furnace staying the same or possibly going down 1 (I doubt it, honestly, it’s too close between Dh and SF).

Elthurien.8356:

We ninja’d your garrison while you assaulted Dreaming Bay tonight. Right under your nose. I’m expecting accusations of hacking because of how quickly we took it. Luckily I recorded the whole thing.

Good night all. When life keeps giving you lemons.. make lemonade.

Heh, you’re talking to Darkhaven members! We’re night cappers, we know what it’s like to take a place quick, trust me :P. Anyhow, good night, sleep well.

Spartyr.6795:

I notice a trend that whichever server currently has the points lead draws the ire of everyone else: hacks, nightcapping, zergs, population imbalance etc.

This is the same SoR that was in 2nd and 3rd place last match, and 2nd most of this current one. The WvW queues aren’t any longer than they were last week. Good luck to everyone through Friday reset.

I do agree with you to an extent, but it’s not the case in this specific match up. There were people shouting in map chat that this was happening when Dh was quite a ways ahead of SoR.

Foresight.2056:

Arius.7031:

@Isredel
I didn’t say it couldn’t be simply Mesmer portaling, I said that it’s more likely that at least some of them have gained access illegally, due to the insane amount of times this has happened. It has happened to us a lot, and I don’t think it’s reasonable to say you guys have a Mesmer on hand and in the tower/keep that often. It could be another way, but what’s the more reasonable conclusion? That your server is perfect, stashes Mesmers in tons of towers/keeps, and that we just happen to never ever find your guys (even though I’ve personally found multiple people)?

@Foresight
Many Darkhaven players have shouted (simultaneously) that they’ve witnessed all sorts of cheating, from hacking to exploiting entry into our towers. It’s not uncommon for you to be in WvW, and suddenly see multiple people shout things like “Did you guys see that? They cheated to get in!” all at the same time. More than that, SF members have separately claimed to have seen the exact same thing on more than one occasion. It’s not just Dh that thinks this.

I’m not saying that it’s impossible SoR is entirely innocent of any form of cheating. I’m saying it’s unreasonable to suggest that is is.

To be fair, there are many players who are unaware or don’t understand the use of portals. To them, seeing a bunch of invaders in their towers must be puzzling. On the otherhand, I’m not saying SoR is completely devoid of hackers. I, myself, saw a click-teleporting character last week. However, the actions of a few individuals whom the server has no control of should not tarnish the server’s reputation. There are hackers on all servers, but they do not represent the entirety of their servers.

I agree totally. In my original post (the one above the on you responded to I think), I was very clear to state that it’s just a few bad apples. A person was giving his thoughts on why Dh had become so inactive in WvW, that reason (he suggested) was due to people thinking SoR had hacked. I would agree to an extent, many Dh players think that’s true, regardless of if it is true or not. We get multiple accusations, each usually witnessed by multiple people, every single day, of people claiming that SoR had cheated, many times from our most experienced and recognized commanders.

A huge problem here that I’ve noticed, that personally bugs me, is that Dh members tend to respond to accusations with apologies or saying it doesn’t represent our server, whereas SoR members tend to respond with excuses or denials. I actually had an SoR player, claim that SoR has never cheated under any circumstance. That’s the problem here, many of them refuse to even apologize if it’s true, whereas Darkhaven players do that constantly.

@Isredel
I didn’t say it couldn’t be simply Mesmer portaling, I said that it’s more likely that at least some of them have gained access illegally, due to the insane amount of times this has happened. It has happened to us a lot, and I don’t think it’s reasonable to say you guys have a Mesmer on hand and in the tower/keep that often. It could be another way, but what’s the more reasonable conclusion? That your server is perfect, stashes Mesmers in tons of towers/keeps, and that we just happen to never ever find your guys (even though I’ve personally found multiple people)?

@Foresight
Many Darkhaven players have shouted (simultaneously) that they’ve witnessed all sorts of cheating, from hacking to exploiting entry into our towers. It’s not uncommon for you to be in WvW, and suddenly see multiple people shout things like “Did you guys see that? They cheated to get in!” all at the same time. More than that, SF members have separately claimed to have seen the exact same thing on more than one occasion. It’s not just Dh that thinks this.

I’m not saying that it’s impossible SoR is entirely innocent of any form of cheating. I’m saying it’s unreasonable to suggest that is is.

No point Soj, every time someone claims SoR people hacked into a tower, everyone runs around shouting it was a Mesmer that waited inside. Tbh, that’s ridiculous, anyone being honest with themselves knows it just doesn’t happen that often, and it’s not like Dh players don’t look around keeps/towers after we take them. We may not be the best at sweeping towers/keeps/whatever, but we’re not completely blind, and it happens with insane frequency. These two facts together, I feel, show that the most likely explanation is that sometimes (not always) entrance is gained through less then legal means.

Anyhow, it’s just a few bad apples. Though Sojou’s point is correct, a lot of Darkhaven players (right or wrong) feel that SoR has cheated their way into many of our holdings, which has demoralized us hugely.

Ah great, the boasting again >.>

Can we have gracious winners? I don’t recall a single SF player bragging about winning. Anyhow, great match but it’s no longer competitive. What do you all think the next set of matches will be?

Loving the match, though I am left to wonder why it has turned around so sharply and suddenly. I know SoR has improved a lot, it’s really quite impressive, but have they really improved that much from an organizational standpoint? Is it more activity in WvW? More players in that server in general? I’m asking SoR players in specific what they’ve noticed that has changed.

I do love this current matchup, but I’m afraid atm it’s not longer competitive. When Darkhaven was top dog at least day time was very competitive. Now, Darkhaven dominates like 2-6am PST, rest is SoR, not much competitiveness anymore T.T.

“Classes: 9 for WoW, 8 for GW2”

Fair point, not really content though, it’s more of the vehicle with which you experience content.

“Races: 8 for WoW, 5 for GW2”

That’s not even content, period. It’s no more content than different skins for weapons.

’*Dungeons*: 17 (3 at max level, not counting wings separately) for WoW, 8 for GW2 (1 at max level, 3 if you only count explorable mode)"

Every dungeon is doable and enjoyable at max level. Level scaling means that Twilight Arbor can kick your butt if you don’t know what you’re doing. And really, each explorable is like an entirely new dungeons, so I’m going to have to correct your information on this.

Dungeons: 17 for WoW (3 at max level), 32 all at max level (not sure on this, heard someone say it but I’m too lazy to recount each path in my mind).

Zones: 37 for WoW, 25 for GW2 (not counting cities for either game)

GW2 zones are filled with content from a density standpoint, for exceeding in quality that of WoW at launch. WoW may have had more zones, but they were less densely populated with cool/interesting stuff.

Elthurien.8356:

We’ve always had off peak players, we just took a little longer to organise a formidable force. Darkhaven gave us motivation to make a stand. Sorrows Furnace cowered while we fought back.

I don’t know if they cowered, I think we just demoralized them a bit. They were number 1 server almost certainly, Rall and Dh were behind, then suddenly we’d undo their work every single night, and gain a massive lead. I don’t think they wanted to put up with that, so a lot of them lost motivation, some moved and such. SoR though, has really impressed me, they’re really giving our night crew a run for its money, and we’re actually starting to lose steam at night.

If it helps, Deepnoizer, multiple Dh people shouted in chat at the same time that they just lost a tower they knew was completely cleared. That stuff is still happening, so it’ll balance out in the end I think.

Dinks.2478:

Alturus.6874:

So I’m looking at the map right now and I’m so angry that SF and SoR are “day capping” us!!! They wait till our largest force is offline and then “PvE” all of our land… If they were serious they would come at us when we have all of our people on, but instead they are just gonna “day cap” us……

Sound familiar???

Not really complaining, because quite frankly we are taking a BEATDOWN in there right now but DH WILL see you all tonight. We’ll be there with bells on, hope you hold onto something…..

SF and SoR are fighting each other in the day. DH is waking up when we’re all asleep and PvEing the map. Don’t compare stuff that is completely different.

Also DH has a day time presence that does defend their stuff. It isn’t a huge group but it is there. Meanwhile some servers like mine are just empty at night.

Yeah, that’s why SoR was ahead for most of the night. Because we’re rolling over them without resistance and they’re beating us. That’s why SF has led us for a little while too, because we’re destroying them so badly!

Were you even on during this night?

I agree Elthurien! But when you find the half naked Norn, I’ll have to kill you, nobody touches the half naked Norn while I’m around!

My honest observation, is that Darkhaven is slowly earning the hatred of both servers for night capping. Not the whole servers, mind you, just certain individuals. That’s why some of these people keep persisting with accusing our entire server of hacking, and making a big fuss over it (not to mention the gloating in this thread).

“DH players taking every opportunity to hack inside EH and cheat our orb out.”

Do you have evidence that it’s happening repeatedly, and by more than just a handful of people? Or are you, yet again, lumping everyone in with a few bad apples? Also no, what does our attacking a keep do to help the hacker steal it? In fact, if we’re going to attack the keep (and thus take it, seeing as we outnumber y’all by a massive amount as you all claim) then why would we have a hacker get something illegitimately that we were going to get legitimately? That makes no sense. And no, I’m most certainly not in on it, and I don’t think there’s any evidence to suggest there is an “it” to be in on anyways. Just one or a few hackers causing trouble.

Again, I’m going to have to ask that you read what is said in the picture. It is quite clearly phrased, the Norn is not talking about Mesmers inside keeps (for the record, I’ve been left inside a keep multiple times, most servers suck at clearing them), he quite clearly makes the point that it’s one who gains entry illegitimately — not one who waits which is perfectly acceptable. The person in the pic goes on to respond by confirming that they know who the person is, and that they know he does it. So, now, you have arrived at a conclusion that is gained through faulty logic (that Dh as a whole was in on it), while we have strong evidence that suggests your server is in on the Mesmer’s cheating.

Yet, for some reason, I don’t even care. I don’t come to trash your server about what you’re doing that isn’t right… I recognize that most Rall players are perfectly legit, I respect them, and I like fighting them. Yet you guys continue to generalize and accuse, jump to guilt based on weak evidence that you’ve clearly interpreted in a less than ideal way. Do you see the problem?

So yeah, bragging about winning is silly. What I did was to show you that we didn’t need the orb to beat you, which you said we did, perhaps it was condescending, that’s about it. Good job SoR and SF, you’re putting up a great fight, apparently neither of you are exactly empty during the night time!

Although I’m sure that happened a couple of times, the screenshot clearly shows different. The Half Naked Norn was clear to specify he’s talking about the Mesmer’s cheating to gain entry — not just waiting inside of the tower (read the top) and your member quite clearly admits that this was the case as well he admits that your guys took advantage of it.

More than that, it happened to us many times that night, so unless you strategically hide Mesmers in every tower you capture, it’s unreasonable to say it’s because we don’t scan for enemies.

I was not going to post this, because I was trying to keep this civil. But, now I’ve been taunted, here it goes: https://twitter.com/HalfNakedNorn/status/252984653567381504/photo/1/large

Also, you’re losing your lead, our night time crew has only now started to group together.

But anyhow, yeah, I shouldn’t have been condescending, for that I apologize. You shouldn’t have been generalizing and immature (I should suck an egg, for telling you to not lump our server in with one hacker). Last night, we were getting the Mesmer Portal used against us by SoR. I withheld saying this because I don’t want to demean your server, I love your server, but now I shall in light of the fact that you felt the need to boast.

spartanx
As a Darkhaven player, I wanted to let you know that it’s very impressive the way SoR is doing at night/morning. You guys have really stepped up your game, and now it looks to be a really, really close fight between us two. I was sure Darkhaven was gonna win, but I did not count on SoR being so successful during the morings/day — you guys are kicking butt.

That is what is great about our match up, each server is learning to improve where it is weak, to make a more well rounded WvW servers. I know it has helped Darhaven, after the third day of the first matchup we got our night crew going, and now I’m starting to see prime time improvements (though we’re still clearly outmatched vs SoR and SF still).

PotatoOverdose.6583:

The problem really isn’t any single server, it’s mechanics. If you have a decent night crew (aka Australians on a NA server, French Canadians on a Euro server), significantly more so than the other servers, and you’re at least half way mediocre during peak hours, you gain 6 hours (more or less) of solid scoring while competing with the other servers during the remaining hours.

Now this advantage can be overcome with solid effort, as SF did in the first round. But staying up late isn’t something everyone can do, and it’s not something that can be done everyday.

Due to current mechanics, the results are as follows: Whichever NA server has the most active Australians (or general night crew) wins. I don’t see this as something that can be readily fixed either; maybe have score scale with combined participation from all 3 servers?

I agree with your post, but I do want to add one thing a lot of people do not know about Dh. Our night time crew is mostly NA, we do have a good amount of Oceanic, but our leader and most of the group itself are night-time players dedicated to making Dh a stronger server. Our night game was severely crippled, as Yak’s Bend demonstrated, so we improved. I’m not saying we don’t have a lot more Oceanic then the other two, I don’t know if we do or don’t, but a lot if not most of that zerg is NA players.

YaHiKoDrG.3467:

Also don’t call out SF because they are the “vocal” ones in this thread.. it’s a problem on other matches it’s just this thread is designed for these 3 servers.

It has been pointed out in many threads on gw2guru that primetime players do no win WvW matchups so you really aren’t helping anything by saying SF is a strong primetime server because that just means we lack during the important hours of a match.

It would be so much better for a match if the scores weren’t displayed just give us 1st 2nd 3rd. for those SF/SoR players kittenmember the match vs. Fort Aspenwood when you lose so much ground each day the match becomes more pointless. ArenaNet needs to find a way to not add to the demoralizing of players thought out the week

I’m not talking about other matches, I’m only talking about this match, so why wouldn’t I call out SF? I’m not throwing sprinkles on top to make people feel better. I’ll be polite, but I’ll also be honest. Most of the complaints directed against Darkhaven (and not the system in general) are from SF.

I’m not trying to “help” anything, my opinions will likely not be heard by the devs, and if they are they likely won’t care. I’m trying to make sure that my feelings are known — I respect SF as a server and have no ill will towards them. It’s illogical and pointless to rage against something that is fair and to be expected. Blame what deserves blame, the game itself, if you have a problem. Dh is not to blame for the game’s design or SF’s lack of night time capability — the game’s design and SF are responsible for each respectively.

Really, I don’t get the point of your post in the slightest — you may have quoted my post, but nothing you said really addressed my post. My post was saying that players raging against DH need to stop throwing blame onto others and accept that the problem is their own. It’s not DH’s fault SF can’t do anything during the night. So seriously, why did you quote me? Our posts really aren’t talking about the same thing.

That’s a perfectly fair criticism, I don’t know how anet could address it, but yeah it’s a game design problem. My problem is with the people who flat out trash talk DH because we can zerg at nighttime when they (usually SF) cannot.

Guys who don’t like Darkhaven night capturing, I’ve noticed these are mostly SF players. I respect your server greatly, and it’s like my third favorite server ever. But I’m going to have to be brutally honest with you. Stop blaming others for your shortcomings. It’s not that DH is some unstoppable juggernaut of destruction at night, it’s that you guys are completely absent. So, if you’re one of those whining about DH nightcapping, think about it for a moment, and realize that it’s not our fault that you are incapable of defending yourselves.

Edit: Again, not trying to sound rude. You guys, when you actually try, are great during prime time. Just trying to call it how I see it, so some of your guys will stop playing the blame game for their server lacking a night time presence.

Dinks.2478:

Lurko.7185:

And SoR and SF don’t zerg during the day when our night crew goes to bed and retake everything? riiiight.

DH has a NA and Oceanic presence. SoR apparently has managed to muster some kind of night game this week apparently, tho they are most likely just overexhausted NA players who want to have a fair chance considering DH is still winning despite their alleged being “outnumbered”. But not enough to compete with DH. SF has no night game to speak of. If you look at that correctly, it is a 3 way fight in the day time, and a mostly DH dominated 1 way zerg machine at night.

Yes, Darkhaven dominates for about 6 hours, then morning comes and Sanctum of Rall zergs and dominates for about two hours. The rest is tossup, I don’t think you’re seeing quite how nuanced this is. We may dominate night time, but the nighttime we speak of starts at around 12am PST, and ends around 6am, after which Sanctum of Rall has a decisive advantage. And then, after that, Darkhaven faces consistent disadvantage in numbers. So really, night capping is the only way we can even the odds (or push them in our favor).

So I’d suggest, that you’re right, it is a 3 way fight during the day. But the “night” only covers about 1/4 of the day, leaving the rest of the time as a toss up (with some of it being dominated by Rall, and Darkhaven being disadvantaged the entire time).

Also no, Darkhaven is still way ahead. Giving this will answer your question and demonstrate my point. SoR takes over shortly after we leave every night. Essentially, they “morning cap” rofl.

Dinks.2478:

It is a mindless zerg, I don’t have to be in it. You require no mind to take a defenseless keep or 3 or 6 or 7 as you do every night because SF has no Oceanic presence.

Most of our presence comes from NA, though we do have a decent Oceanic presence. Additionally, SF (you may forget) is not the only enemy Dh faces. You’re right, your server does not have a decent presence at night, Sanctum of Rall however does a decent prsence. They’re a very well rounded server, and we’ve actually caught them outnumbering our zerg two or three times (I haven’t been in the zerg for two nights, don’t know anymore really).

Also, not requiring a mind is not the same as not having one. Our zerg is not “mindless” (not having a mind), and Sanctum of Rall sometimes (not always) puts up a good fight, so it’s not just steamroll without thinking. In fact, we’ve had our siege sites destroyed a couple of times by SoR, they’re very capable.

Dinks.2478:

Arius.7031:

Niim.9260:

I do not think folks are demoralized, so much as taking a week off. It takes a lot of effort to fight SoR all prime time and try and keep your points ahead far enough that it wont be erased by DH farming our guards all night. Lot of folks put in a hard effort last week and now they are attending to other things or just having fun killing folks

Demoralized fits your description of the situation almost perfectly. To be completely honest, Sorrow’s Furnace isn’t even doing too well against Darkhaven during primetime, so I’m at a loss as to why you wouldn’t say “a lot of effort to fight SoR and Dh”. Sorrow’s Furnace will take the lead on occasion of course, you server is far more populated than both SoR and Dh, you have a queue even when you’re demoralized! Darkhaven rarely has a queue, when it does it’s only in one borderland generally.

It seems to me the problem isn’t really with people taking a break, because you’re actually still outnumbering us during the day. So the problem (I think) does not lie with less people in SF playing (because you still outnumber us regardless of less activity), but more with it being less important to fight because you know Dh will take it all back and gain another 5-10k points overnight.

@Ashanor
I’m not from Sorrow’s Furnace, so I can’t speak to specific details of the server. I can tell you, however, when they’re playing at their peak they’re virtually unstoppable (in our matchup). They’re (for the most part) great sports and they have a good population without it being ridiculous like HoD and JQ (this means less queues, but probably a small one). Overall, while I’d love it if you came to Darkhaven instead (can’t help but mention that XD), Sorrow’s Furnace would be a great server choice for you and your friends.

You’re either clueless or making things up. SF has no queue on any of our maps except EB. And our EB queue is at most 5 minutes right now. We are tired from having to work extra hard to take gigantic leads during the day just to survive through the night with our whole map being taken by a giant mindless zerg with no enemy to even resist them all last week. I think we earned a break, and anet made it perfect for us to relax since we already defeated the current match-up.

It’s funny that you mention we have meet resistance, when in another thread SoR players are specifically bragging about how they’ve resisted us on multiple occasions. It seems you’re the clueless one. Regardless, I’m Dh, not SoR, my information was drawn from Niim’s post above mine (so he’s clueless too huh?) and the fact that your server is far more populated than mine (and, according to you guys, mine is split between oceanic and NA), so you outnumber us very heavily. So whatever, yeah I may be wrong, but Niim claims 15 minute queues “especially” in EB, which means they’re present in other borderlands too sometimes.

Also, it’s not a mindless zerg, you’re not in it, you have no clue what you’re talking about yet again. At least get some info from a person in that zerg before you label it. It’s actually a very smooth operating zerg of random people.