Guild Wars 2

Send a few back to Dh then ):.

Now’s the time to come to Dh! We have many skilled roamers and excellent sea/oceanic coverage so if you’re na you won’t have to worry as much about what happens when you go to sleep.

clint.5681:

Arius.7031:

clint.5681:

Arius.7031:

For Dh we have only received individuals as far as I’m aware, no major guild transfers. We have, however, lost incredible amounts of people to HoD, SF, and CD.

Who did you lose to SF

Guild called [food], small roaming guild of really good dh players. Trust me, you were very lucky on that transfer in specific. HoD can have all our baddie zergballers, you got some good Dh roamers :/.

Well I guess you and Skull should just slide on over here with food and join our WvW and pvf team.

Hmm. 100g up front and I promise to consider considering it for further consideration. Possibly.

skullmount.1758:

Arius.7031:

clint.5681:

Arius.7031:

For Dh we have only received individuals as far as I’m aware, no major guild transfers. We have, however, lost incredible amounts of people to HoD, SF, and CD.

Who did you lose to SF

Guild called [food], small roaming guild of really good dh players. Trust me, you were very lucky on that transfer in specific. HoD can have all our baddie zergballers, you got some good Dh roamers :/.

We’ve lost [food] now as well? All of them, or some?
My morale is really wavering now. I don’t want to leave Darkhaven cause I’ve been here since launch and there are still some really great people on DH, but man this is really demoralizing and making me think about it now.
If we don’t get/have anyone, we’ll never be able to do anything.

HoD got FIN, BRL, and a few pugs.
SF got food.
DB (I think) got VoC, though idk how old that is. I miss them so much ):.

Bad stuff but Dh’s sea and oceanic are mostly affected and SotD is definitely staying so we still have a shot. Dun give up!

clint.5681:

Arius.7031:

For Dh we have only received individuals as far as I’m aware, no major guild transfers. We have, however, lost incredible amounts of people to HoD, SF, and CD.

Who did you lose to SF

Guild called [food], small roaming guild of really good dh players. Trust me, you were very lucky on that transfer in specific. HoD can have all our baddie zergballers, you got some good Dh roamers :/.

For Dh we have only received individuals as far as I’m aware, no major guild transfers. We have, however, lost incredible amounts of people to HoD, SF, and CD.

Banzie.5248:

Going off server time here (PST, sorry)

I generally, and my server generally views it as following.

Ocx(Oceanics): 12 AM-4am PST
SEA (South East Asia): 5am-7 or 8 am PST
EU (European): 10am-2pm PST
NA (North American): 3pm-10pm PST

There a few in between hours where only certain countries/guilds can run in due to geography. Russian guilds for example cover one of those in between hours or so, so are highly sought after.

TY you’re amazing… you keep helping me lol.

Berserk.7186:

Just want to clarify that Sorrows Furnace is NOT tanking, we were doing fairly well until Tuesday when the transfers happened. HoD and CD got pretty kitten big….. We are still doing great in the battles.. its just that all of our buildings are now forever paper.. and holding buildings dictate the “winner”… so yeah.. I hope you guys get to experience these servers first hand in the near future.. so you may be enlightened xD

Nobody outside of NSP players think you’re tanking bro. We get it. Unfortunately NSP seems to have a massive population of people in complete denial so good luck convincing them.

Can someone give me the exact range of times each time slot covers? E.g. NA covers 0-6 GMT (just an example, not meant to be correct). I’ve always generally understood but would like to finally know the exact specifics of when one ends and the other begins.

Dinks.2478:

Jeknar.6184:

All this NSP talk about having no people remind me of ol’ Sorrow’s Furnace saying they were roflstomping T8 by pure skill and not superior numbers…

Ah the memories…

But back on the topic we have here: NSP is in a very delicate position… NSP is too weak, to take on HoD/CD (And problably all silver league, except maybe for SoR), and NSP is too strong for FC/DH (And likely the entire bronze league, except maybe for SF)…

NSP is currently ranked as 15th (As it been for the last 3 weeks), thus, being on silver league spot. Also being on 15th made transfers free for NSP until the day prior leagues opening (March 27th).

Being able to easily win over 2 of the 3 top bronze, and being able to receive people for free until the league start, I belive its clear that NSP should (like it or not) be on silver league, along with the other two silver league servers that received free transfers (HoD/CD).

Why should Sorrow’s Furnace, a server that didn’t received the gift of free transfers, be pushed to silver instead of NSP? SF never even ranked above 16th for its whole history, and I don’t belive the time is now (as NSP is much more fitting for it)…

Also, NSP think they were the only server that was rolled over for being one of the last places of a league? DR/Kain/ET, CD/IoJ and SoS/Mag also had 9 weeks of other servers kittenting over their heads just like you, so don’t come cry to me about how unfair your situation was because you were not the only one on it…

Yeah, kitten NSP, only your server is allowed to actually have a chance. Nobody cares about the free transfers, nobody is dumb enough to transfer to a losing server.

He’s on ET. You think they have a chance? Okay.

DaMikenatr.7041:

This thread is filled with so much hatred. Every server has been through tough times lately, but rather than throwing it in each other’s faces, why don’t you respect each other. This has turned into an argument of “my server is worse off than your server” and it’s disgusting. The population between bottoms of tiers and top of tiers is absurd, we’re all aware of that. This tournament has terrible timing and has also done even more terrible things to the population differences, but that doesn’t mean we need to beat on each other about it. We’re all here to have fun and get some good fights. I sympathize with whatever server does end up at bottom of the silver league, but whoever it is, do what you can. With they way it’s set up, it’s not like you’ll be fighting the best of silver if you’re the worst of silver (best and worst no longer going by rating, but the most recent performance in the tournament). Who knows, it may not be weeks upon end of getting ROFLstompped, it’s hard to say. But don’t sit here and discount other people’s servers or hard work. Everyone’s trying all that they know how to make do on these terrible situations, just keep doing what you can.

It’s unfortunate but that’s how it’s going to be. If we get accused of tanking we have to either accept it or try to show we’re not tanking. We really are dying, big time, and getting accused of tanking intentionally is just insult on top of injury… we can’t help losing population and shouldn’t be insulted because of it.

Snowreap.5174:

the final assignment of which servers will be in which leagues will be done at the end of the matches that start tomorrow (i.e. on March 28). it would not make any sense to do it any other way.

the rankings from March 14 were only used to determine server transfer prices after the March 18 patch.

if NSP does badly next week (or SF does very well) they could still end up in Bronze league for the tournament. but if they do well and hold onto their current #15 ranking, they will end up in Silver league.

-ken

Please no.
Please. No.
P. L. E. A. S. E. N. O.

Dinks.2478:

IncognitoP.1648:

yup. this is what arena net envisioned with the wvw season 2 tournament.
a bunch of hate between players of different servers, and servers intentionally trying to get into bronze so that they can get first place with no effort.

No, they envisioned a bunch of people buying transfers to the top servers for top tier rewards. I just want a legitimate chance to win, but too many servers are tanking on purpose to drop into bronze and NSP will pay for it.

-FC hasn’t recently beaten nsp.
-SF has not recently beaten NSP, and does worse against hod/cd than NSP did.
-Dh just experienced a mass exodus and even before that wasn’t beating nsp weeks before leagues were announced.

Who is tanking? Where is your evidence?

Dinks.2478:

We have 16 people in Vigil Keep, real healthy PvE that makes for. The fact is that I have never had a queue for WvW on NSP ever. And last season was 7 weeks of losing. NSP had no right being in silver league then and they have no right being in silver league now. The problem isn’t that somebody would have to take our place in silver, the problem is that the season shouldn’t even be happening until anet balances WvW and can figure out a way to reward people for playing without encouraging server stacking even further.

Okay first off, I never said your PvE was healthy… you’re straw manning my position. I said it’s healthier than Dh. 16 is so bad? Try 5 like Dh had in my pic. You deserve to be in silver league more than any bronze server… if you’re not in silver league, another server has to be. You can try very hard to ignore that fact, but you’re currently beating the 2nd and 3rd strongest bronze servers to a bloody pulp, it’s not even remotely close… and you’re almost certainly stronger than the current king of bronze (SF).

I can agree that seasons probably shouldn’t even be happening. BUT since they are happening, NSP deserves to be exactly where they will be: in silver league.

Dinks.2478:

Arius.7031:

Now this isn’t meant to prove our PvE is more dead than you. Just to show that, judging by the available data (WvW score/current ppt, population in most populated zone of pve, etc…) you probably are more populated than we are and therefore most probably in better condition.

Excuse me, what does vigil keep have to do with anything?

I’m directly comparing the most populous pve zone on both servers… NSP has about 2x the amount of people at the exact same time. That means you’re probably more populous than us, and more populous will generally imply healthier PvE. It follow that NSP probably has generally healthier PvE (not certainly). It shows that NSP is probably bigger than dh, especially considering you current own everything of ours in EB now too lol.

yanoch.7051:

Arius.7031:

Now this isn’t meant to prove our PvE is more dead than you. Just to show that, judging by the available data (WvW score/current ppt, population in most populated zone of pve, etc…) you probably are more populated than we are and therefore most probably in better condition.

Your party discussion seem pretty interesting in those SS. I don’t get why all the hate.

Hmm probably shoulda blacked that all out lol. What do you mean though, who has hate for what?

Now this isn’t meant to prove our PvE is more dead than you. Just to show that, judging by the available data (WvW score/current ppt, population in most populated zone of pve, etc…) you probably are more populated than we are and therefore most probably in better condition.

Dinks.2478:

Arius.7031:

UndeadCorp.2198:

And they are leaving….why. Think kitten the lesson of SOR and their “elitism” Arius. Now they are a ghost server. You and I have to ask ourselves this then. Why have no major NSP guilds left? Why are we so consistent? Why do our regular PvE people come in, from time to time to help? It’s because we appreciate the help. We don’t snap at them “why the kitten are you in pve get yo lazy bum over here.” Co-erce them to be part of a greater thing.

Didn’t xoxo leave your server lol? Dh is a pug server, we don’t downtalk our pugs… we’re all pugs. It’s the elitists who left lol, not the people who were victims of elitism. It was the guilds that left (the major guild fin and minor roaming guilds), only a few pugs left, it was mostly our loss of guilds that hurt (though pugs are starting to seriously leave seeing how bad dh looks).

Also lol, we drew on our PvE base to win leagues… I ask that you go back and read threads on the topic if you doubt that. We’ve always had a good relationship between wvwers and pveers, pve players come help when we need it and they know we appreciate them. The problem is when you start seriously running out of players… which we are. Our PvE is sub par, our WvW has no major organized guilds participating in it (which pugs do like to have), and we’re getting spawn camped by NSP who doesn’t let on the karma train (not blaming you, it’s perfectly fine, we did it to you, it’s just the truth). Things aren’t going do well for dh right now, and people don’t appear out of thin air.

Your PvE is subpar? NSP is probably the worst server out there for PvE. I had to guest to accomplish most of my living story meta achievements because we don’t have the population to kill a lot of the world bosses more than once or twice a week with set times and dates. Our players are all very casual. We have a few WvW guilds and a lot of randoms who join randomly. We are not a good server and we don’t have a big population. I don’t know where you get your facts from, but they are not facts.

Okay. I’m gonna post a pic of our vigil keep in this post, then your vigil keep in the next post. Directly compare them. At this point in time you have aprox 2x the people compared to Dh in vigil keep, and currently own almost our entire bl.

UndeadCorp.2198:

And they are leaving….why. Think kitten the lesson of SOR and their “elitism” Arius. Now they are a ghost server. You and I have to ask ourselves this then. Why have no major NSP guilds left? Why are we so consistent? Why do our regular PvE people come in, from time to time to help? It’s because we appreciate the help. We don’t snap at them “why the kitten are you in pve get yo lazy bum over here.” Co-erce them to be part of a greater thing.

Didn’t xoxo leave your server lol? Dh is a pug server, we don’t downtalk our pugs… we’re all pugs. It’s the elitists who left lol, not the people who were victims of elitism. It was the guilds that left (the major guild fin and minor roaming guilds), only a few pugs left, it was mostly our loss of guilds that hurt (though pugs are starting to seriously leave seeing how bad dh looks).

Also lol, we drew on our PvE base to win leagues… I ask that you go back and read threads on the topic if you doubt that. We’ve always had a good relationship between wvwers and pveers, pve players come help when we need it and they know we appreciate them. The problem is when you start seriously running out of players… which we are. Our PvE is sub par, our WvW has no major organized guilds participating in it (which pugs do like to have), and we’re getting spawn camped by NSP who doesn’t let on the karma train (not blaming you, it’s perfectly fine, we did it to you, it’s just the truth). Things aren’t going do well for dh right now, and people don’t appear out of thin air.

UndeadCorp.2198:

One last thing. And this is my final say on this. I respected Darkhaven. I really did. For 5 weeks, when we were in dead last in most of times. I thought “what a worthy rival.”

We are getting hit bad, and were outnumbered most of time. The groups that usually just do PVE went back to do PVE, and only the regulars were in there, defending against an endless tide. We didn’t break. Each reset night, our guilds would ask if any PVE had time to assist us. These “so called pugs” I watched fight your zergs. Sometimes we won. Mostly, we lost. But these “untrained Pugs” you were talking about Arius, they stopped a 60 man FC zerg in their tracks. Three times. That was three times, they allowed the regular upgraders to get the time needed to fortify towers and the keeps. They are more important than you can ever consider, you and I, especially in our so called “low tier” battles.

And now, now you guys dare to make a thread called “DH dying we are so doomed”. Forget it, you aren’t even able to be considered our rivals after that stunt. I even saw a recruitment thread with flat sentences, monotone. Please. Help. Us. And that was it. Are you serious?

Uh you’re making a bit much out of this… I said beating pugs with guild zergs isn’t impressive, I never said pugs aren’t worth anything or anything like that. Pugs are the backbone of most servers (not sf/nsp though lol). I’m not saying they’re bad, they’re just not really expected to beat guild led zergs.

Also, you have no idea how many people Dh just lost if you think we’re having an overreaction to it. We’ve been through SO MANY mass exoduses that, by now, we’re pretty capable of not having an overreaction to them… We’re not overreacting, we’re not trying to be overdramatic, we’re scared that our server is going to DIE (as in fall to kaineng’s position). The transfers are NOT over, my guild is very probably leaving and so are many others… we’re scared of our wvw dying and it’s pretty plausible at this point that it will. Sorry bud, our threads are justified.

Dinks.2478:

You just claimed NSP has consistent coverage. You’re the biggest liar I have ever seen. NSP has a decent amount of people for maybe 2 hours during primetime.

Hourly PPT average:

Time FC NSP Dh
0:00 – 00:59 187 327 180
01:00 – 01:59 208 328 166
02:00 – 02:59 198 320 177
03:00 – 03:59 178 332 185
04:00 – 04:59 153 358 183
05:00 – 05:59 127 375 193
06:00 – 06:59 154 353 189
07:00 – 07:59 182 321 191
08:00 – 08:59 211 301 184
09:00 – 09:59 236 275 184
10:00 – 10:59 243 267 185
11:00 – 11:59 172 332 192
12:00 – 12:59 181 330 184
13:00 – 13:59 157 321 217
14:00 – 14:59 204 283 209
15:00 – 15:59 181 310 204
16:00 – 16:59 196 293 206
17:00 – 17:59 192 306 197
18:00 – 18:59 218 309 168
19:00 – 19:59 176 331 187
20:00 – 20:59 200 345 150
21:00 – 21:59 202 354 140
22:00 – 22:59 179 346 170
23:00 – 23:59 187 344 164

http://www.gw2score.com/server/Darkhaven

Facts, they hurt. There are no hours during the day where you don’t average 270+ points. 80% of the hours you’re well above 300 ppt on average.

Game over.

UndeadCorp.2198:

Where are your non-pug zergs then.

They left… mass exodus, remember? We have NO guild zergs of any kind anymore. Our largest guilds can barely be considered large roaming guilds insofar as how many wvw members they field.

Don’t call them pugs. It’s insulting to your own people. On NSP, I scold those who call our fellow-to arms Pugs. Them and Us. NO, sure there are regulars, like me who wvw everyday. But, those who come in to assist, I would never call PUGS. That’s just insulting Arius. Respect your fellow combatants more. Where will your server be when the “pugs” leave? I am quite certain I was, a so called “pug” once, just like you were this …half baked conception of a thing called a “pug”.

I respect your view but I think you may have misunderstood me… I’m calling them pugs to drive a hard dichotomy between organized guild groups and non guild groups… anyone who is not running in an organized guild group is a pug. It means “pickup group”, iow, it’s another way of saying Dh players band together without necessarily planning ahead for it.

Everyone started new, and everyone knows what it felt like to be steamrolled. DH beat us 5 weeks in a row. I do remember that well. And now, you guys made a topic titled “DH, dying?” Don’t kid yourselves. Reminds me of SOR’s we play for fights threads.

What? You realize we just lost multiple guilds, including our only guild zerg right? Are you saying that we didn’t have a mass exodus? I’m confused… you realize you can easily prove it by asking the people who left themselves right? In fact, it’s being discussed over on GW2wvw matchup thread right now… we lost fin, voc, food etc… IDK what your point is, but if you’re trying to say we aren’t dying or have no good reason to believe we are, you’re dead wrong lol.

If you are going to treat your fellow servermen as “useless untrained pugs”, small wonder they will leave you. I don’t need to argue any further, we both have our points that was well said. But from my point of view, I don’t believe I was lying, just from my perception of the events of this morning.

Fair enough, lying may be a harsh word so I’ll just say I believe you were incorrect.

Dinks.2478:

Arius.7031:

UndeadCorp.2198:

I agree with Dinks. Nsp this morning just took SM from DH who had wrested it overnight. Then a 30 man zerg from DH went to take it back. Guess what we did. We went to DH BL and took your garrison with 25-30 people.

You should of been able to stop us. By the time your zerg came back, your doors were down, and you have the spawn advantage. It was about a even numbered fight with 30 vs 30. Guess what, your unorganized zerg got hit. Hard. You can blame it all you want on transfers, but I would kitten your inner leadership instead. When we were trebbing DH bay. We didnt just stand around and stare while our two trebs were firing. Our tagged commander led us on running a tight stack/formation follow him drill. Our numbers are more even then you think. Your losing spirit will only serve to make your server spiral downwards. Even when we were in silver, we fought, and fought hard. We learned to drill, and we learned to fight against overwhelming odds. .

You are wrong or lying. I was THERE. I was the one on the treb who called EB. I was the one who destroyed your rams AFTER our zerg arrived, they wp’d in while you PvD’d the door down… Our zerg was in there, manning 4 sup ACs, 3 ballistas, a cata, and a treb all pummeling you. Do you honestly think you’re good enough to beat us at equal numbers, with us having respawn advantage, siege, guards, etc… Admittedly you did a portal bomb to bypass the cata, though the acs were still hitting you.

And when you attacked our keep in EB, and was near capping it, we stopped you. Guess why? On TS, our commander was alerted to the impending invasion, and we were able to come back in time to save it. As soon as we hear the call, everyone drops what they were doing, and rushes to save the high tiered structures. You didn’t save your BL garri like that. You guys took SEVEN minutes to respond. SEVEN. That’s a death sentence. You didn’t even have siege going at your gate.

Yeah, you’re wrong. We got wind of your attack as outer was at half from I think it was 3 sup rams, our zerg arrived in our bl about 1 min later (again, I was the one who discovered your attack, I called EB)… you telling me it took you 6 mins to down outer? You were either not there, are lying, or you’re clueless. Take your pick.

Sure we do have big zergs at certain times, but your servers have big zergs at certain times too. Even when you have 40-60, quite kittenbeaverbuilt useless if your 40 is an unorganized mess, and our 20-30 just steamrolls you with less numbers because we ram into your thin, unorganized, unmotivated kittens.

Oh good on you, your trained guild zergs beat pug zergs! Bravo. Also, we do the same to you fairly often… NSP pug zergs are notoriously bad. I’ve seen FC crush you massively outnumbered, I’ve seen Dh do it… we all do it to each other.

So if you are so good and we are so bad, why are you losing? Stop throwing the match and climb to silver where you belong. Since we’re so bad we should be in Bronze. We are in fact that bad, and we have even smaller numbers than you guys. But you’re arguing both sides of the argument and being ridiculous.

You’re bad with a large pop for a bronze league… We’re bad with a smaller pop. Oh Dh is bad too, don’t let my criticisms of NSP make you think you’re unique in your badness. SF, Dh, NSP, all terrible. NSP is just terrible with large numbers AND consistent coverage (for bronze). SF is at least bad with just an overwhelming prime time. Dh is just bad.

Dinks.2478:

ScaryHydra.3165:

Dinks.2478:

ScaryHydra.3165:

I get it. You all like being able to do anything you want in WVW due to a huge discrepancy between WVW populations of all of the servers participating in the fight. You don’t want to go to Silver because you all won’t be able to hide behind numbers anymore but have to rely on actual skill to do as well as you all are doing now against the small WVW pop. servers.

You obviously have never WvWed in your life. NSP has NO population. You’re dumb as bricks. NSP doesn’t hide behind numbers, NSP doesn’t have numbers. You’re so ignorant it isn’t even funny. All the skill in the world is useless if you are playing zergs 5 times bigger than you. But you wouldn’t know that because you’ve never stepped foot in WvW apparently.

Yeah I didn’t see the NSP blob trying to camp the DH or FC spawns the last few nights. I also didn’t see NSP attack kitteneep while it was fully upgraded and defended by about 20 people and take it with a massive zerg of easily 60-70 people. I also didn’t see NSP zergs of 30-40 trying to take the kitteneep and getting their butts kicked by a force half their size. You’re right I don’t WVW at all, except for the all the time I spend in WVW (probably more than 3/4 of my time on the game). It’s not me who doesn’t know anything, but you. I love collecting NSP bags after their failed zergs try to fight us in an open field battle and I love watching NSP run back to their towers/keeps when trying to spawn camp FC so we get in range of your siege. NSP has the manpower to do anything they want to in Bronze; you know it, DH and kittennow it, all of Bronze knows it. Like I said, you only want to keep rolling over servers easily and not have to actually fight servers which can field as many people as you.

Once again, you’re full of kitten. Just stop because you sound pathetic. You’re losing to a server with inferior numbers to you and you can’t even admit it.

Hate to burst your bubble as a neutral observer… NSP has at least 2x as many people as FC on throughout the day. At least. It’s not even REMOTELY close between you two. I won’t comment on Dh because I’m obviously biased, but you definitely outnumber FC hugely.

UndeadCorp.2198:

I agree with Dinks. Nsp this morning just took SM from DH who had wrested it overnight. Then a 30 man zerg from DH went to take it back. Guess what we did. We went to DH BL and took your garrison with 25-30 people.

You should of been able to stop us. By the time your zerg came back, your doors were down, and you have the spawn advantage. It was about a even numbered fight with 30 vs 30. Guess what, your unorganized zerg got hit. Hard. You can blame it all you want on transfers, but I would kitten your inner leadership instead. When we were trebbing DH bay. We didnt just stand around and stare while our two trebs were firing. Our tagged commander led us on running a tight stack/formation follow him drill. Our numbers are more even then you think. Your losing spirit will only serve to make your server spiral downwards. Even when we were in silver, we fought, and fought hard. We learned to drill, and we learned to fight against overwhelming odds. .

You are wrong or lying. I was THERE. I was the one on the treb who called EB. I was the one who destroyed your rams AFTER our zerg arrived, they wp’d in while you PvD’d the door down… Our zerg was in there, manning 4 sup ACs, 3 ballistas, a cata, and a treb all pummeling you. Do you honestly think you’re good enough to beat us at equal numbers, with us having respawn advantage, siege, guards, etc… Admittedly you did a portal bomb to bypass the cata, though the acs were still hitting you.

And when you attacked our keep in EB, and was near capping it, we stopped you. Guess why? On TS, our commander was alerted to the impending invasion, and we were able to come back in time to save it. As soon as we hear the call, everyone drops what they were doing, and rushes to save the high tiered structures. You didn’t save your BL garri like that. You guys took SEVEN minutes to respond. SEVEN. That’s a death sentence. You didn’t even have siege going at your gate.

Yeah, you’re wrong. We got wind of your attack as outer was at half from I think it was 3 sup rams, our zerg arrived in our bl about 1 min later (again, I was the one who discovered your attack, I called EB)… you telling me it took you 6 mins to down outer? You were either not there, are lying, or you’re clueless. Take your pick.

Sure we do have big zergs at certain times, but your servers have big zergs at certain times too. Even when you have 40-60, quite kittenbeaverbuilt useless if your 40 is an unorganized mess, and our 20-30 just steamrolls you with less numbers because we ram into your thin, unorganized, unmotivated kittens.

Oh good on you, your trained guild zergs beat pug zergs! Bravo. Also, we do the same to you fairly often… NSP pug zergs are notoriously bad. I’ve seen FC crush you massively outnumbered, I’ve seen Dh do it… we all do it to each other.

Dinks.2478:

ScaryHydra.3165:

I get it. You all like being able to do anything you want in WVW due to a huge discrepancy between WVW populations of all of the servers participating in the fight. You don’t want to go to Silver because you all won’t be able to hide behind numbers anymore but have to rely on actual skill to do as well as you all are doing now against the small WVW pop. servers.

You obviously have never WvWed in your life. NSP has NO population. You’re dumb as bricks. NSP doesn’t hide behind numbers, NSP doesn’t have numbers. You’re so ignorant it isn’t even funny. All the skill in the world is useless if you are playing zergs 5 times bigger than you. But you wouldn’t know that because you’ve never stepped foot in WvW apparently.

There are these things called facts and evidence. You may want to look into those. Better to let those control your beliefs rather than what you WANT to be true. NSP has overwhelming numbers for a bronze server. Everyone in this thread is telling you that, but you refuse to listen.

Tolkien.4810:

Anet must know that they had a terrible idea with that. Only the 4 last bronze servers should have free transfers. Very smart, congratulations.

I’m only happy because archeage is coming this year, no more reasons to play gw2.

/thread

Yeah, having free transfers to t5 may have been a good idea for LEAGUES, but that was a bad idea for WvW. It’s going to hurt the already hurt lower ranked servers. It’s not just Dh that’s losing, guilds from pretty much every bronze server are leaving, I heard inc for example left AR.

Thankfully for most other bronze servers, they were lucky enough to have free transfers…

Dinks.2478:

Arius.7031:

Dinks.2478:

ScaryHydra.3165:

Dinks.2478:

ScaryHydra.3165:

Well right now NSP is rolling over the servers they are fighting (DH and FC) simply because the sheer number of NSP WVW players in WVW at all times of the day. NSP is able to field way more people than almost all of the servers in Bronze. So do you want an easy match in bronze rolling over all the servers except 1 or 2, or would you like to be challenged in Silver?

First of all, right now NSP is rolling over servers because servers are throwing matches to get into bronze. Second of all, since the rewards for this season are based on your servers position in your league, I’d rather be in bronze and actually win then come in last place on silver because you “wanted a challenge”. There is no challenge, there is only crushing defeat. We went through 7 weeks of this bullkitten last season. We got lucky and came in second place twice and 3rd place 5 times. The only reason we came in 2nd twice was because IoJ(I think it was IoJ, I know whoever it was we came in 2nd both times playing them) happens to be just slightly worse off than we are and even that was very close. So yes, I’d rather roll over bronze for 9 weeks then be completely outnumbered and outclassed for 9 weeks of humiliating defeat.

As someone who plays on FC I can guarantee you FC isn’t throwing their matches, instead we are fighting outside of our keep because NSP keeps trying to spawn camp us after their zerg that outnumbers us 4-1 rolls over the entire map.

Ha, you must have 3 players if NSP has a zerg 4 times larger than you. We can hardly fill our eternal battlegrounds. I’ve never had a queue time on NSP.

You literally just took Dh garrison (which that was wp’d, heavily sieged up, and had our full zerg defending it before you got in) 50+ people at 7am in the morning server time. Our zerg was maybe 20 people, so 4x is not totally inaccurate coming from FC person which does not have as many people as Dh.

Wow, you people are so ignorant to reality.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/World_vs._World_Season_1

NSP has NO business in silver league as proven by Season 1.

I like how you completely ignore the substance of my post, and simply claim we’re ignorant to reality. What exactly am I ignorant to? Now be specific!

Sorry buddy, your server is stronger than every bronze server, you should be in silver league for that reason alone and that’s a fact. The fact that you were in the same bad position last time means nothing… if we’re all being forced into something, exceptions should not be made, that’d be unfair. IF you’re not in silver, another server has to be, who is it? The servers that you’re spawn camping, taking 300+ ppt almost all day and reaching 500+ ppt regularly? You really think they should be higher ranked than you?

Sorry, you deserve the rank you got as proved by your ability to beat fc/dh who are the two strongest servers in bronze other than sf.

SotD is an excellent and well respected guild on Dh, I highly recommend joining them if you’re in their timeslot!

Dinks.2478:

ScaryHydra.3165:

Dinks.2478:

ScaryHydra.3165:

Well right now NSP is rolling over the servers they are fighting (DH and FC) simply because the sheer number of NSP WVW players in WVW at all times of the day. NSP is able to field way more people than almost all of the servers in Bronze. So do you want an easy match in bronze rolling over all the servers except 1 or 2, or would you like to be challenged in Silver?

First of all, right now NSP is rolling over servers because servers are throwing matches to get into bronze. Second of all, since the rewards for this season are based on your servers position in your league, I’d rather be in bronze and actually win then come in last place on silver because you “wanted a challenge”. There is no challenge, there is only crushing defeat. We went through 7 weeks of this bullkitten last season. We got lucky and came in second place twice and 3rd place 5 times. The only reason we came in 2nd twice was because IoJ(I think it was IoJ, I know whoever it was we came in 2nd both times playing them) happens to be just slightly worse off than we are and even that was very close. So yes, I’d rather roll over bronze for 9 weeks then be completely outnumbered and outclassed for 9 weeks of humiliating defeat.

As someone who plays on FC I can guarantee you FC isn’t throwing their matches, instead we are fighting outside of our keep because NSP keeps trying to spawn camp us after their zerg that outnumbers us 4-1 rolls over the entire map.

Ha, you must have 3 players if NSP has a zerg 4 times larger than you. We can hardly fill our eternal battlegrounds. I’ve never had a queue time on NSP.

You literally just took Dh garrison (which that was wp’d, heavily sieged up, and had our full zerg defending it before you got in) 50+ people at 7am in the morning server time. Our zerg was maybe 20 people, so 4x is not totally inaccurate coming from FC person which does not have as many people as Dh.

Dinks.2478:

ScaryHydra.3165:

Well right now NSP is rolling over the servers they are fighting (DH and FC) simply because the sheer number of NSP WVW players in WVW at all times of the day. NSP is able to field way more people than almost all of the servers in Bronze. So do you want an easy match in bronze rolling over all the servers except 1 or 2, or would you like to be challenged in Silver?

First of all, right now NSP is rolling over servers because servers are throwing matches to get into bronze. Second of all, since the rewards for this season are based on your servers position in your league, I’d rather be in bronze and actually win then come in last place on silver because you “wanted a challenge”. There is no challenge, there is only crushing defeat. We went through 7 weeks of this bullkitten last season. We got lucky and came in second place twice and 3rd place 5 times. The only reason we came in 2nd twice was because IoJ(I think it was IoJ, I know whoever it was we came in 2nd both times playing them) happens to be just slightly worse off than we are and even that was very close. So yes, I’d rather roll over bronze for 9 weeks then be completely outnumbered and outclassed for 9 weeks of humiliating defeat.

Dude I’m on Dh… we just had a mass exodus… you don’t have a clue what you’re talking about, don’t speak unless you have a clue on what you’re talking about. We’re tanking because we lost our only major wvw guild (fin) and tuns of pugs/roaming guilds (e.g. food). NSP was beating Dh and FC weeks before seasons were even announced, and since then the disparity between our pops has only grown larger.

Straegen.2938:

I think SoR has lost more population than all of DH and then some. Being a lower tier server you can obviously lose some population and fall a tier but that is widely different than a mass exodus that SoR has/is going through.

If anything it is likely DH is experiencing the same problems as a server like BP. We have seen some guilds transfer off and certainly some general WvW attrition but it is only a reduction not an exodus.

BP losing a few guilds is nothing compared to what Dh experienced (relatively speaking, since we only had 1 serious wvw guild and they just left)… This is an exodus, not the largest in our history (looking at you abys/se) but possibly the most disastrous unfortunately.

Heizero.9183:

Has GoM gotten a lot of transfers? Or are the other servers in taht tier just losing population? When I was on GoM WvW was nearing extinction on that server.

Nah, GoM beats the t8 servers pretty much by default and is one of the strongest t7 servers (probably the strongest). GoM still gets stomped when they move into t6 lol, not many transfers as far as I can tell.

Crunk n monkey.3749:

Gold – Jade Quarry, Tarnished Coast, Blackgate, Maguuma, Sea of Sorrows, Dragonbrand.

Silver – Fort Aspenwood, Stormbluff Isle, Isle of Janthir, Borlis Pass, Yak’s Bend, Henge of Denravi, Crystal Desert, Sanctum of Rall, Sorrow’s Furnace.

Bronze – Darkhaven, Ferguson’s Crossing, Gate of Madness, Devona’s Rest, Northern Shiverpeaks, Kaineng, Ehmry Bay, Anvil Rock, Eredon Terrace.

Seeing the downward spiral that SoR is in, they should actually be in Bronze during the Tournament, but their rating won’t be low enough for quite some time. Shame. It will be close to between Dragonbrand and Fort Aspenwood when it comes to the Gold/Silver league cutoff. Same goes for Sorrow’s Furnace and Northern Shiverpeaks when it comes to Silver/Bronze. I would throw Ferguson’s Crossing into the mix, but after hearing they are purposely tanking so they can stay in Bronze (and try to get free transfers).

Why would you think FC is tanking? We’ve defeated them every time we’ve met them for months now and they’re currently ever-so-slightly ahead of us… how on earth does that equate to them tanking?

Including something just to include makes for preaching and poor story telling. It’s like a Christian demanding a monotheistic God be present because they want their beliefs to be represented and shown as valid… that’s just utterly ridiculous. If you’re not trying to, essentially, use media to preach your message, why aren’t you fighting for the inclusion of interracial couples in the spotlight? So it seems to me, people who want this are obviously just trying to use video games in order to preach their dogma…

If anet can finds a natural, non-forced way to include a male gay couple, sounds fine to me. That doesn’t mean we should include them just for the sake of including them… that’s just being preachy.

Really, every good roaming server has zergs. AR is your best bet, they run a lot of smaller guild zergs and less full on pug zergs. Otherwise (IMO), your best roaming/havoc servers are Dh and FC. Dh is known for having a lot of players for our rank, hence being zergy. FC is known for having less, but forming massive zergballs with what they have.

OP, you can’t dismiss opinions due to bias. That’s a problem a lot of people have… A proposition can be true or not, even if the person making it is biased towards the truth/falsity of said proposition. So say I were to tell you “I’m good at working on computers” say for a job interview, would you dismiss it because I could be lying due to my personal bias towards getting this job?

Instead of dismissing opinions, what we need to learn to do is weigh the available data in support of opinions. Just dismissing every opinion is stupid, and this is a game after all… their prime concern is making sure people have a positive opinion of the game.

Fighting AR and DR is killing my soul. AR is good but doesn’t duel. There are good players on DR (mostly from [ohai] and sometimes [so]) but almost none of them duel, and their roamers are all warriors and rangers… So. Boring. Gimme FC/NSP! Those two duel.

Narsil.6579:

Arius.7031:

EFWinters.5421:

Darek.1836:

FC unofficial duelers server (I heard TC has a lot too? haven’t been there so idk)
SF unofficial gank server
DR unofficial thief server..
GoM unofficial cyah later when new PvE content comes out server
AR unofficial perplex everything server
Ebay unofficial we’re the new kaineng server

FC is the perplex everything server. They all believe they are top notch at roaming because of it too.

So true. Made me laugh cus it’s soooo spot on. I love FC, don’t get me wrong… but they spam a lot of super cheesy builds (that usually involve plex), then get it in their head that they’re better skill-wise than everyone else by a country mile.

I MISS YOU!! ima start grating the cheese when you get back home, come visit us DH

Lol you’re op without cheese. PU Mesmers are fine, Tensas are broken. NERF.

Darkhaven isn’t empty and we’re not dying… we’re far larger in overall population than our WvW rank suggests. Gendarran very frequently has a rather lengthy queue since the recent patches hit, let alone LA…

All in all, no the game is not dying, thousands of people play every day on the one (relatively small) server that you’re on, and there are 50 other servers…

Nuzt.7894:

Its sad but true, currently I would say the only servers that actually fight are SF, FC, AR, and GoM provided theres no superduper PvE thingy happening. The rest have become tower humping garbage, with the exception of Kain of course who I just feel bad for, even if they came out to fight both of them would die in seconds.

Hmm I’d say GoM doesn’t really fight unless it’s [who] or [ash]. Personally, just my experiences, they run constantly. AR and FC definitely fight. SF has got guts when it comes to zergs, I’ll give them that… but roaming? Have to disagree.

insanemaniac.2456:

Arius.7031:

Halo.8976:

So… Do you have less or more 5 people on lower tiers?

You’re not serious, are you? o.o

i think he was
its cute

Can we keep him you think? Will Anet let us?

Straegen.2938:

T8 is a sinkhole and T7 probably isn’t far behind. The WvW pops seem to be shrinking and the upcoming leagues are probably going to make it worse. Time to move up if you want a good fight.

Last time every server got massive pop boosts despite the transfers. IDK how it’d make it worse.

Halo.8976:

So… Do you have less or more 5 people on lower tiers?

You’re not serious, are you? o.o

lmperdigao.2567:

https://soundcloud.com/arenanet

And yes, it’s awesome.

Thank you my friend! Again my compliments to the musicians behind this… was so perfect for the battle.

When you’re fighting Scarlet’s prime hologram on the drill, there’s music that I don’t recall having heard before in GW2. I looovvveeeeeeee it, awesome job to Anet! I was wondering where I’d be able to find and listen to this (probably while playing GW2). Can anyone give a guy a hand?

EFWinters.5421:

Darek.1836:

FC unofficial duelers server (I heard TC has a lot too? haven’t been there so idk)
SF unofficial gank server
DR unofficial thief server..
GoM unofficial cyah later when new PvE content comes out server
AR unofficial perplex everything server
Ebay unofficial we’re the new kaineng server

FC is the perplex everything server. They all believe they are top notch at roaming because of it too.

So true. Made me laugh cus it’s soooo spot on. I love FC, don’t get me wrong… but they spam a lot of super cheesy builds (that usually involve plex), then get it in their head that they’re better skill-wise than everyone else by a country mile.

Both have their strengths and weaknesses. I prefer GW2 myself for a host of reasons, but only a fool would deny that GW1 offers a lot of what GW2 does not. But, for me, even though the combat lacks the depth of GW1 (in every conceivable manner), it is much more enjoyable (fun, entertaining, etc… not more cerebral/interesting, more FUN) than gw1.

Other things like the addition of massive scale PvP (WvW) adding a whole new layer to the game; art direction being more unique/interesting; zones being filled with a lot less tedium (things to do everywhere, pois/hearts/dynamic events); not everything being instanced; almost fully voiced; so many different types of endgame pve content (dungeons, fractals, world bosses, dynamic event grind, straight up monster grinding e.g. reef skelk, mining routes etc…); multiple races each with dozens of armors that generally look distinct between the races… I could go on.

All in all, I think they are two different games. I just personally prefer GW2.

Loboling.5293:

Arius.7031:

You can always come back to Dh. It really depends on your view of “empty”. Pretty much every map will always have 1-2 roaming parties in it from Dh, as well as 1-2 round the clock pug zergs (1 in eb, and often 1 in a bl). Dh has very well rounded coverage compared to other servers in our area, so if you’re looking for a server lower down I’d definitely choose Dh (biased but I think the reasons are solid regardless).

Well, 1-2 roaming parties of 3-8 could almost run around for hours without bumping into each other if they are unlucky. If you were around on DH during the great desolation, maybe you can compare. Have things improved since then?

Also, between CD, NSP, and HoD on t5, which has the nicest community?

Edit: added the same question for t4.

Between, BP, YB, and IoJ, which has the nicest community on t4?

What would you consider the “great desolation”? I’ve been on Dh since the start, playing off and on though. I mean 1-2 roaming parties from Dh, probably 1-2 from each other server as well (depending on the servers). But yeah, low tier there will be times where you don’t find fights. If you’re playing prime time and roaming, there is no shortage of quality small scale engagements.

skullmount.1758:

Arius.7031:

SNIP

Once per hour, on the hour.

Wait, so we can stay in the whole time now? No getting kicked at 50 after?

Correct, and you can wp directly there (to the three wps that are usually accessible).