Guild Wars 2

Dsybok.1405:

Harbinger.8637:

I think most people are just upset on FC, since this was are last chance to get third in the season. Unless something crazy happens. However I doubt it, and the top three are pretty much set in stone. Oh well you win some, you lose some.

I have heard a lot of people lamenting this fact, but I kind of figured early on we would not get close this week. We lost by a hair when we last faced you and then we had a stronger 3rd server to balance things out. We do not tend to win when we get matched up against a strong server with a weak 3rd server.

We need to add 2-3 good WvW guilds to be competitive in Bronze, mainly in prime time and overnights. Our day crew is pretty good from what I see. Any Oceanics looking for a home?

I honestly think that’s due to you guys just not having as many people. It’s crazy how many you get while having such a low pop server (and crazy how little we get being so high). The fact of the matter is, you guys hit hard pound for pound, so when the other server is pulling it’s weight you can trade blows equally with the big guy. But, if the other server isn’t, that means the big guy can throw its full weight on you. Honestly, even then you guys give us a run for our money at many hours during the day

Sleepless.1906:

@Harbinger

I’m genuinely sorry for those on FC who are disappointed, but know that this week meant a lot to some of us too. When I got back during week 2 and saw how far behind we were, I put in 3 18 hour days in a row to help get us back on top. This was an important week for me, against a server I have a lot of respect for.

This. Seriously. That first matchup between us 2 and GoM was the best matchup I’ve ever experienced. I was so invested in that, I spent sooo many long hours, so many crazy sad gaming sessions trying to get the win for us.

PaganGamekittenDeity.5436:

Arius.7031:

Stanky.7134:

Hey DH, you’re still trash.

You’re from FC right? O.o Pretty sure it’s kind of ironic to be calling one of the top servers in the league, that is currently destroying your own, “trash”.

High PPT trash is still trash

Define “trash”, then.

Dsybok.1405:

Arius.7031:

Dsybok.1405:

Sera Phrim.9041:

Even though it was only for a minute, it was worth it.

Last night was insane, but you do know whether its by 30,000 points or 60,000 points you still only get 5 for the win right?

Well, one of the ways to get a sort of indication as to how strong a server is, is to see how much they beat other servers by. It’s not accurate, just a small indicator. Clint boasted that SF beat you by 100k in response to the notion that we could match SF. So what if we beat you by 100k too? We prolly won’t but it’s gonna be a pretty big win for us, which means that perhaps SF isn’t so far out of our league.

That said, I must say, out of all the servers in bronze, except for HoD, I respect FC the most. You guys are great at defending, you dutifully carry out boring tasks such as yak sitting/upgrading, you can run very coordinated zergs, and you know how to spam omegas. Good stuff this week IMO, even though the score isn’t so close.

You are right, but only through about Tuesday, the logic becomes flawed at that point. Once the finishing order is set, as it is in our matchup, a LOT of people check out for the week and go back to PvE or something else. There were very few of the normal FC people, and none of the commanders we usually have on last night, even Tuesday night was thin.

The 10 of us on our BL map last night trying to hold off 50 of you were asking all night where everyone was. Simple answer, we are coming in second this week pretty much no matter what happens, so there are other more productive things to do in their minds I guess.

Appreciate the respect though, hope you didn’t get your boots dirty wading through our bloody carcasses.

Well the PPT isn’t so much an indicator as the overall score. And if the overall score is affected in our matchup by you guys giving up (basically) by tuesday, should this not also be true for your matchup against SF?

I mean, just imagine, if you had been fighting HoD and finally got the upper hand, then one night during primetime you get on and get 600+ PPT. That would be awesome to you, no? You guys have been our rivals in the league thus far, the closest matchup for us. It feels pretty good to get such a huge PPT against such a competent opponent.

Dsybok.1405:

Sera Phrim.9041:

Even though it was only for a minute, it was worth it.

Last night was insane, but you do know whether its by 30,000 points or 60,000 points you still only get 5 for the win right?

Well, one of the ways to get a sort of indication as to how strong a server is, is to see how much they beat other servers by. It’s not accurate, just a small indicator. Clint boasted that SF beat you by 100k in response to the notion that we could match SF. So what if we beat you by 100k too? We prolly won’t but it’s gonna be a pretty big win for us, which means that perhaps SF isn’t so far out of our league.

That said, I must say, out of all the servers in bronze, except for HoD, I respect FC the most. You guys are great at defending, you dutifully carry out boring tasks such as yak sitting/upgrading, you can run very coordinated zergs, and you know how to spam omegas. Good stuff this week IMO, even though the score isn’t so close.

Stanky.7134:

Hey DH, you’re still trash.

You’re from FC right? O.o Pretty sure it’s kind of ironic to be calling one of the top servers in the league, that is currently destroying your own, “trash”.

Jeknar.6184:

Arius.7031:

3. Any zerg in a home BL will be dedicated to offense, while a zerg in an enemy BL is most likely focusing on offense. This means it’s less likely to defend/respond.

Because everyone is dedicated/focused to offense…

idunno wut u talkin bout sun.

Draygo.9473:

skullmount.1758:

Well there is only a 10,000ish point difference, which I think we proved can be closed and overcome. Maybe we try to help one server or the other by taking points from the one we don’t want second? (Probably won’t happen, but ehh)

Quick question:

When an opposing server own something in an enemy BL, why does your server seem to prefer to attack that objective first instead of focusing on one keep of the BL’s owner first?

Just something ive noticed.

Like ferg would own one keep on kain bl, and your zerg will go take a shot at it first before attempting any of kaineng’s keeps. Or like last night your server attacked hills twice in earnest before finally attacking (and taking) bay.

Don’t get me wrong, I don’t mind the loot its just that DH is bucking the norm of doubling up on the home team in their home bl and I’m kinda puzzled as to why.

1. It’s guaranteed to be paper.
2. It likely won’t be sieged up at all.
3. Any zerg in a home BL will be dedicated to defense, while a zerg in an enemy BL is most likely focusing on offense. This means it’s less likely to defend/respond.
4. Tons of situational reasons, such as PPT for one server being too high, trying to draw a zerg to a certain location/keep them there etc…

Not saying I think this is optimum, just that it has some benefits.

Gotta be honest here, I’m actually more interested in who is gonna get second at this point. Weekend was a pretty even matchup, but it just seems that Dh numbers over the weekdays are too much. FC hasn’t held a significant PPT lead for any significant period of time since monday morning. Kaineng, on the other hand, has, and they’ve been pretty consistently higher than FC. I’m very interested to see if Kaineng can upset FC for 2nd, though I doubt it myself.

Actium.8765:

Hey since I’ve been gone for the past 5 weeks can I get an updated list of guilds, commanders, guild leaders that WvW now so when I do get on i’ll know who to contact when I need help?

Thank you kindly. <3

I actually remember you from the forums and in game somewhat. Hit me up when you get on and we can chat man, I’ll give you the run down.

I’ll be on “Jorek Kell”.

Syryn.7591:

we try to handle it fully internally

Your ways are foreign to us. WE ARE DRAMAHAVEN. Feel our internal conflict!

Sleepless.1906:

Arius.7031:

Jeknar.6184:

Well, if they are a great deal of the off-hour coverage, we can say they are carrying the server… For exemple: I’d say [Dx] is carrying HoD, as if wasn’t for them, HoD wouldn’t win against SF as they would never surpass SF prime time and have no one to take advantage of SF off-hours.

In lower population servers, 1 or 2 guilds CAN carry a server if they are placed in the correct timezone…

But once they hit a higher ranked server that have a big coverage, then the “carrying” of those guilds would end.

The night time coverage is almost nothing but pug, fun contributes at that time but they’re definitely not necessary in coverage. From what I’ve seen, they’re mostly prime time. Not downplaying fun’s contribution, just saying our coverage isn’t due to them and we’re not being carried by them.

I wasn’t saying they’re night crew, I was saying ‘from’ and ‘to’, including everything in between. I’m Oceanic myself and agree that [Fun] have little presence in those hours.

My intended message was that DH is held together by many forces.

Just to be clear I was responded to jeknar, if that wasn’t clear my apologies.

To reinforce what you have said though, and to give some info to other servers about us, we’re a pug server lol. We have like 4 semi-large guilds, one of which is really big [BRL], and then a few other large WvW guilds. But, we don’t have super guilds with super coordation. anbu, fun, and brl will often show up in numbers and mess some people up but other than that Dh is 99% pug. That’s probably the only thing holding us back from being a match for HoD, TBH, that hurts our coordination. There are of course some guilds I may be forgetting, these are just what come to mind.

Jeknar.6184:

Well, if they are a great deal of the off-hour coverage, we can say they are carrying the server… For exemple: I’d say [Dx] is carrying HoD, as if wasn’t for them, HoD wouldn’t win against SF as they would never surpass SF prime time and have no one to take advantage of SF off-hours.

In lower population servers, 1 or 2 guilds CAN carry a server if they are placed in the correct timezone…

But once they hit a higher ranked server that have a big coverage, then the “carrying” of those guilds would end.

The night time coverage is almost nothing but pug, fun contributes at that time but they’re definitely not necessary in coverage. From what I’ve seen, they’re mostly prime time. Not downplaying fun’s contribution, just saying our coverage isn’t due to them and we’re not being carried by them.

Solstice.1097:

ChuckNorris.9413:

Solstice.1097:

i was in EB yesterday for about 5 minutes and saw our commander at durios trying to recap it. QL had just been taken by a DH zerg and danelon had just been flipped. So I called out they will be hitting langor. The commander stays at durios until orange swords pop on langor. Then what happens? The commander waypoints the omega to valley keep, and starts WALKING THE GOLEM to langor. Eventually s/he made it to the langor gate JUST in time to get the omega inside before it capped (losing the omega).

then I left EB for the night.

Is there a thread for venting about these turrible golem commanders? If not, there should be cuz I’ve got a million of these stories just from the past few weeks.

lol nah i actually feel kinda bad saying it because i dont mean offense to the person who is obviously trying the only way they know how.

but if they don’t get any better i’ll have to man up and start giving them lessons.

I’m JUST like you… we have a similar commander (always in a golem, always attacking SM etc…) that, while I don’t agree with strategy-wise, I feel bad talking about like this.

totalpwnage.6534:

Arius.7031:

ChuckNorris.9413:

Solstice.1097:

sounds pretty even I wonder if a lot of that is roamers or what because the most I’ve seen them take is the 10 minutes that they had 2 keeps once.

anyway good fights so far! (except sadly our EB has been consistently commanded by, shall we say, a ‘learning’ commander that has proven terrifically ineffective this week).

I’m guessing you’re talking about the commander that never leaves golems and that commander is the greatest thing that has ever happened to our opponents. I can’t even play in the EB when he/she commands because whoever follows is led to slaughter (usually trying to cap SM with one golem and a dozen or so pugs).

I do have one request: FC doesn’t like the double penetration. So please be gentle and take turns.

Wait… what? Are you talking about a Dh commander? You just described someone perfectly who commands in Dh… I’m not even kidding/exaggerating…

Beginning with an ‘L’ right?

Haha, you guessed it. I don’t jump on the “L” hate train, he’s been nothing but nice to me personally. And he commands a lot when nobody else can, so that’s helpful even if you think he’s bad. I’m just sayin that both sound incredibly similar in style loool.

ChuckNorris.9413:

Solstice.1097:

sounds pretty even I wonder if a lot of that is roamers or what because the most I’ve seen them take is the 10 minutes that they had 2 keeps once.

anyway good fights so far! (except sadly our EB has been consistently commanded by, shall we say, a ‘learning’ commander that has proven terrifically ineffective this week).

I’m guessing you’re talking about the commander that never leaves golems and that commander is the greatest thing that has ever happened to our opponents. I can’t even play in the EB when he/she commands because whoever follows is led to slaughter (usually trying to cap SM with one golem and a dozen or so pugs).

I do have one request: FC doesn’t like the double penetration. So please be gentle and take turns.

Wait… what? Are you talking about a Dh commander? You just described someone perfectly who commands in Dh… I’m not even kidding/exaggerating…

Solstice.1097:

he was saying fight night at the windmill. you will find plenty of duels on Thursday night.

[EDGE] is still up for a GvG. We are new to GvG so don’t be intimidated lol :p PM me

Ah didn’t see night. Still, my point stands, I like 1v1’s and I don’t want to only do it on one night. Not saying any other play style is wrong, just that I have mine and like it, which isn’t wrong either…

Dsybok.1405:

Arius.7031:

Dramahaven.

Anyways, this matchup has some pretty good roaming so far. My only issue is that FC roamers often have nearby friends that they run to/call for help if you try a 1v1 while roaming. So annoying.

Also, to the [Ren] engineer and warrior that always seem to be running around together, you guys are strong lol. Had many good fights with you.

I can’t speak to the rest of the server, but I am not interested in 1v1. I play the game for the strategy and the excitement of open field battles with larger groups , I don’t enjoy 1v1, I didn’t make my staff ele for 1v1, and I am not good at it anyway. If I see you I will run the other direction or run to where there is help. I don’t see this as being a negative, its how I choose to play the game.

If you want to duel, go to fight night behind the windmill! If you 1v1 someone anywhere else on the map, another person coming to help is the risk you take.

I wasn’t critiquing, whining, or insulting… I was saying that I prefer good 1v1 roaming duels. Also, you may be under the impression everyone duels at the windmill 24/7, they don’t, there’s almost never anyone there in any BL. You play your way, I’m not criticizing that. I’m just saying it’s not fun for my play style.

cheshirefox.7026:

nice troll train kaining

What’d they do? :o

Solstice.1097:

Arius.7031:

Solstice.1097:

it doesn’t help that KN has their attention on us. it’s what they did week 1 with HoD they just went for us cuz they were scared of HoD. I mean right now you have their bay and hills and what do they do? hit FC hills. lol

It’s actually interesting to note, that they’ve actually dedicated ever-so-slightly more manpower to our BL than to yours:

http://www.gw2score.com/server/Kaineng

Another interesting thing to note from said site, is that they’ve flipped Anz more than any other tower in EB (which is smart, it’s the most vulnerable tower in the map). So it seems to be the case that they’ve focused both about equally, and if anything focused Dh a little more.

i dont think that shows how much “attention” youre getting but rather how much success they’ve achieved.

example we’ve had to wipe KN zergs at our valley keep so many times I can’t count, but that doesn’t show up on those stats.

and in your BL several times they have left their spawn and ran a zerg straight to lake/tower on our side and tried to take those from US when south camp/vale/briar were never even flipped.

The first statistic tells you that they’re spent more manpower in our BL, regardless of success. The second was just meant to reinforce that notion.

You can see this by scrolling down on my link, you’ll see a pie chart showing how much manpower has been allocated to each BL. They’ve allocated 7.7% to ours, 7.6% to yours, it was 7.8% and 7.6% when I linked it yesterday. So it’s pretty much equal but they’ve ever so slightly dedicated more manpower to our BL. I think it’s pretty even lol.

Jeknar.6184:

Arius.7031:

Also, anyone else notice that Dh has like no presence in our WvW threads, yet some drama kicks up and dozens of people start posting? Lol O.o

Yeah, DH forum-warrioring is pretty lame… In our matchup at week 1, we had to stay in a 1v1 with SF, because DH forum warriors didn’t came out to play.

We used to have massive coverage when it came to forum warrioring, like 9 months ago xD.

Manaburn.4569:

Arius.7031:

Also, anyone else notice that Dh has like no presence in our WvW threads, yet some drama kicks up and dozens of people start posting? Lol O.o

It’s mostly because some guilds are tired of being trashed talked.

Haha, don’t think that’s it, most posters here haven’t been from fun :p.

Also, anyone else notice that Dh has like no presence in our WvW threads, yet some drama kicks up and dozens of people start posting? Lol O.o

neiliam.8614:

Quit with the drama llama DH.

- [DHE] Bronze Legend Thief.

Get back to owning everyone, we can’t have you wasting time here >:O.

Solstice.1097:

it doesn’t help that KN has their attention on us. it’s what they did week 1 with HoD they just went for us cuz they were scared of HoD. I mean right now you have their bay and hills and what do they do? hit FC hills. lol

It’s actually interesting to note, that they’ve actually dedicated ever-so-slightly more manpower to our BL than to yours:

http://www.gw2score.com/server/Kaineng

Another interesting thing to note from said site, is that they’ve flipped Anz more than any other tower in EB (which is smart, it’s the most vulnerable tower in the map). So it seems to be the case that they’ve focused both about equally, and if anything focused Dh a little more.

Dramahaven.

Anyways, this matchup has some pretty good roaming so far. My only issue is that FC roamers often have nearby friends that they run to/call for help if you try a 1v1 while roaming. So annoying.

Also, to the [Ren] engineer and warrior that always seem to be running around together, you guys are strong lol. Had many good fights with you.

Righteous.4307:

Jeknar.6184:

Righteous.4307:

Bronze league has proven to be a blast. Second and third place are still up for grabs to whoever wants it the most. SF has noticeably improved as a server over the last two weeks. DH, FC, GoM… if you have your eyes on taking second place from SF be prepared for a good fight. I would suggest that all servers bring their A game in any fight against any server regardless of how dire the situation appears. You might get wiped, but try to figure out why the clash didn’t go your way. Good communication, proper builds, effective scouting, roamers flipping camps/killing yaks, and maintaining proper priorities in the micro level (battles) as well as the macro level (map control) are what win your server victories over the coarse of a week. Keep it up everyone.

2nd and 3rd are solely reserved for SF and DH. We just don’t know who will get what. FC will lose their shot at third next week against HoD (just as GoM).

Your predictions seem reasonable, but nothing is decided yet. I wouldn’t outright say that 2nd and 3rd are decided. I can remember great fights with FC, DH, and GoM at different times. It will be a challenge for any of those servers to overthrow SF for 2nd, but it is possible. In my eyes 3rd place is still a toss up of who wants it the most. Also, to say that the other rankings don’t matter isn’t really fair. SF, DH, FC, and GoM have already been discussed here, but KN, DR, ET, and AR still have things to fight for. First, nobody wants to be dead last. Second, ANet hasn’t specifically said what the reward chest will hold. I personally hope that it has good loot for everyone who participated enough to get the key. Finally, I think that there are going to battles to enjoy and tactics to learn as Season One comes to an end. Everybody should be able to enjoy that.

Well, even if Dh lost to FC and lost to SF we’d still get 3rd so :/.

Solstice.1097:

Mooncow.6847:

“It doesn’t help that KN has their attention on us. it’s what they did week 1 with HoD they just went for us cuz they were scared of HoD. I mean right now you have their bay and hills and what do they do? hit FC hills.”

I still don’t get why you still say that. Week 1 probably upwards of 90% of our focus was on HoD.

This match up has been very fun so far

yes it has been very fun.

but from where I’m standing we pretty much leave you alone and focus on DH. if you’d do the same DH wouldn’t have ~13k lead right now.

players on your server have admitted the same thing so I don’t really care if you don’t see what I see (not trying to sound like a jerk just truth)

Eh, earlier on in the week we seemed to be focused more than you. Now you’re seeming to be focused. It seems they’re just picking the targets they think are ripe.

Atherakhia.4086:

So how’s our weekday crew doing? At work and curious if we’re closing the 10k gap any. Can’t check most of the other sites

ATM, Darkhaven is gaining more than we were on weekend. Going by hourly average found here: http://www.gw2score.com/server/Darkhaven

Interesting to note other statistics from said site, such as Dh gaining most of its points during the day just before prime time.

Solstice.1097:

Arius.7031:

Solstice.1097:

lol DH “wait until they go to sleep” was the only way you were going to get your hills back.

you’re lucky you outnumber us overnight or we’d hold it all week.

You’re right, when you outnumber us during the day it’s really hard for us to take back a fully upgraded keep that you’ve sieged to the max. Btw, you’re missing a few WP’s.

at least I get to wipe your zergs during the day.

you’re just banging on empty doors hope that’s fun :/

That’s not what it’s like at night lol. I play at night 1/2 of the time, and each server can field at least one decent sized zerg, as well as numerous roamers/roaming groups. It’s not always just player Vs. door lol.

I know it sucks to lose at any particular time. Can’t really blame us for having better coverage though :/.

Solstice.1097:

lol DH “wait until they go to sleep” was the only way you were going to get your hills back.

you’re lucky you outnumber us overnight or we’d hold it all week.

You’re right, when you outnumber us during the day it’s really hard for us to take back a fully upgraded keep that you’ve sieged to the max. Btw, you’re missing a few WP’s.

Sol.8341:

I think boasting that your guild is a pvdoor specialist is not too elite. Anyway, we know the one trick pony server : multiple omega golem rush in the dead hours. So desperate in bronze league against a server with such low population.

We didn’t use any golems and I wasn’t boasting, I was telling someone something we had done in this matchup so they know who we are.

Regardless, are you talking FC? They’re the ones who have really been spamming golems this matchup.

Wildchild.7502:

Well I hope to meet you guys on the field cause I don’t remember running across ANBU. Ever.

Cause so far DH didn’t impress me at all on the field except when they had their big blob to run all over us with your massive numbers.

Well, Anbu usually tries not to meet you… We were the guys who took Kaineng. Also, this is the wrong thread…

Solstice.1097:

hey Kaineng. DH’s BL is 100% paper. just sayin

Yeah, they were there, they know lol… Oh well, 10k lead, we got space to bounce back.

Wildchild.7502:

BC sends their regards to DH. Thank you for your upgraded Bay and Garri with both 1700 supply

BTW if you guys looking for a place to transfer, BC is recruiting Hardcore WvWers

If you’re gonna gloat, you might wanna do it in the right thread. Also, you do realize we took your entire BL with literally, LITERALLY, 10 people (on average), right? It was 4 or so anbu members and like 5 or 6 pugs… 3 keeps that were upgraded quite well. But look at this way, at least you got SM (and then lost it like 10 mins later)!

totalpwnage.6534:

Arius.7031:

totalpwnage.6534:

Ynot.8397:

I love the advanced darkhaven turtling tactics. The emote spam from the fun guild after sitting in a tower with superiors siege(balliastas and acs!) and more numbers is impressive. Glad you are using your numbers so well!

Ha, don’t think [Fun] limits their behaviour to other servers.. We deal with it constantly too so I feel ya bro.

Weren’t you in fun? Also, ur face is funny.

dats a srs accusation der :O but no I’ve never joined them and everyone knows my face is absolutely beautiful

It’s true, I was just being spiteful. Your face is beautiful. I thought I remembered seeing you in fun… my bad.

totalpwnage.6534:

Ynot.8397:

I love the advanced darkhaven turtling tactics. The emote spam from the fun guild after sitting in a tower with superiors siege(balliastas and acs!) and more numbers is impressive. Glad you are using your numbers so well!

Ha, don’t think [Fun] limits their behaviour to other servers.. We deal with it constantly too so I feel ya bro.

Weren’t you in fun? Also, ur face is funny.

Haha wow, now I’m seeing what people are saying about FC blobs. I don’t remember this from our matchup, maybe I just missed them lol. Good fights so far though, it’s far from over. Dh came back from 10k behind both GoM and FC so it’s not over.

Draygo.9473:

DH was ticking less than 150 for a while, only owning their keep in EB.

Wat.

Haha FC rushed our BL with golems IIRC. Good stuff.

Good battles so far! Dh came out really strong but both servers rebounded after a couple of hours to hit us back really hard. Great fights so far, hope it keeps up!

Solstice.1097:

DH’s blob in our BL is so big it makes my FPS go negative and my computer crashes

Blobbers be blobbin.

Good luck guys, this is the match up I’ve been excited for the most! Let’s put on a good show FC and Kaineng!

ptitminou.6489:

Arius.7031:

ptitminou.6489:

Arius.7031:

ptitminou.6489:

Solstice.1097:

problem is when people ask themselves if they did the best they could, they often incorrectly answer “yes” because they aren’t aware of what more they could do.

if they were aware, they would have done it.

if you’re not recruiting, you could be doing more. if you’re not helping train and encourage the less-experienced, you could be doing more. if you’re not promoting voice comms or on it yourself, you could be doing more.

the list goes on and on.

So i think the #1 question to ask yourself is: did you have fun?

We’ve got a recruitment thread up, clearly stating our number needs, guilds involved with WvW, the fact SF is the only server with mounts (note: mounts not included), etc.

We have a group of aussies recruiting too. Its not by lack of trying. By default the “Sorrow’s” is negative and uninteresting. Then there is the prohibitive transfer costs of 130g/22$ per person. Then there is the guesting and seeing how terrible SF is at PvE which discourages many PvX players interested in becoming 300% hotter. Then they hear about some guilds not being in TS. The reasons why it is not working are known.

At this point, I think a lot of the bronze servers can only be fixed by merging WvW populations, ie: everyone knows DH can only win by nightcapping, so they’d be a good match for SF. FC and DR would be a great match too since they are stuck up on using SoR tactics, which requires numbers to be effective. AR, KN and GoM would also be a good match giving them great coverage since KN is another nightcapping server.

Darkhaven’s Furnace
Ferguson And Devona (they could even story line this for that boring living world thing they do)
Gates near Kaineng’s Anvil

That way, all those who have any sort of warrantless attachment to the server cluster’s public name on which the character data they are using is stored on would be satisfied and we could have a more interesting league instead of just a few close matches here and there.

Darkhaven can only win by nightcapping? Excuse me lol? We have the third strongest primetime in bronze without question… We’re no SF, but come on… Ugh.

Yes, your prime-time is when everyone else sleeps. Probably the highest coverage time of all servers at 5am. Of course HoD is a close 2nd to you and their daytime rivalizes with DR and SF now, thanks to the free xfer to there and nowhere else in bronze… because apparently AR has players.

Dude, I’m talking about NA primetime. We at least match FC/GoM in primetime as was demonstrated and can be proven by looking at this link:

http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/46/117

Check the PPT during standard NA primetime. You will notice that Dh is close to the others, or leads, on most days. At the very least, it cannot be said that we have no prime time, we at least match FC/GoM. That may not be much to YOU, but that’s because you’re strong, not because we’re weak for a bronze server.

Upon looking at the evidence though, it seems like GoM may have the 3rd best primetime. IDK, it’s close.

The weak time you have is euro time, looks like ours. However, rivalizing with FC is meaningless. Send 20 people to back cap their 1 only and single huge 80 man zerg. But your 1am to 5am server time coverage, that is just huge and it was the source of most of your points.

Your points get decent from 11pm server time and last until 5am server which means you have got to have something going on other than a bunch of kids in mom’s basement in California. You still wont match HoD, we can all agree that they are stacked, but you’re probably second best in bronze in that time slot.

Go back to what I’ve said PT. You just conceded my point by not actually rebutting my claim. I said we had a solid prime time coverage, among the best in bronze league, if not the third best behind SF and HoD. So it is not “meaningless” if our prime time is better than FC. We’re not HoD or SF but we show up for primetime.

VOLKON.1290:

No Walking.6349:

Yup. Literally none of my toons have a need for it… I had the idea to replace my zerker exotic GS on my warrior with it…but it’s a power loss of 100… That’s too much power to lose.

Well, not really. That 100 power is really a tiny bit of damage increase, and the added stats in other areas give you a bit more survivability to counter it. But personally I prefer that, being more WvW than anything, so preference does count.

Not to mention ascended weapons have 50 higher damage than exotics by default (or so). So if he was using an exotic, then upgrading would only cost him 50 power (basically) and then he’d get a lot of additional stats to compensate, making it pretty well become worth it IMO (depending on build of course).

madchatter.7964:

Arius.7031:

On top of that, Dh has finally realized the value of defending stuff after our match with GoM/FC, our defensive game has improved by a large margin.

I think you mean our stuff. Defending our stuff. From us.

Lol! If it helps, HoD did the exact same thing to us right after we did it to you :P.

ptitminou.6489:

Arius.7031:

ptitminou.6489:

Solstice.1097:

problem is when people ask themselves if they did the best they could, they often incorrectly answer “yes” because they aren’t aware of what more they could do.

if they were aware, they would have done it.

if you’re not recruiting, you could be doing more. if you’re not helping train and encourage the less-experienced, you could be doing more. if you’re not promoting voice comms or on it yourself, you could be doing more.

the list goes on and on.

So i think the #1 question to ask yourself is: did you have fun?

We’ve got a recruitment thread up, clearly stating our number needs, guilds involved with WvW, the fact SF is the only server with mounts (note: mounts not included), etc.

We have a group of aussies recruiting too. Its not by lack of trying. By default the “Sorrow’s” is negative and uninteresting. Then there is the prohibitive transfer costs of 130g/22$ per person. Then there is the guesting and seeing how terrible SF is at PvE which discourages many PvX players interested in becoming 300% hotter. Then they hear about some guilds not being in TS. The reasons why it is not working are known.

At this point, I think a lot of the bronze servers can only be fixed by merging WvW populations, ie: everyone knows DH can only win by nightcapping, so they’d be a good match for SF. FC and DR would be a great match too since they are stuck up on using SoR tactics, which requires numbers to be effective. AR, KN and GoM would also be a good match giving them great coverage since KN is another nightcapping server.

Darkhaven’s Furnace
Ferguson And Devona (they could even story line this for that boring living world thing they do)
Gates near Kaineng’s Anvil

That way, all those who have any sort of warrantless attachment to the server cluster’s public name on which the character data they are using is stored on would be satisfied and we could have a more interesting league instead of just a few close matches here and there.

Darkhaven can only win by nightcapping? Excuse me lol? We have the third strongest primetime in bronze without question… We’re no SF, but come on… Ugh.

Yes, your prime-time is when everyone else sleeps. Probably the highest coverage time of all servers at 5am. Of course HoD is a close 2nd to you and their daytime rivalizes with DR and SF now, thanks to the free xfer to there and nowhere else in bronze… because apparently AR has players.

Dude, I’m talking about NA primetime. We at least match FC/GoM in primetime as was demonstrated and can be proven by looking at this link:

http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/46/117

Check the PPT during standard NA primetime. You will notice that Dh is close to the others, or leads, on most days. At the very least, it cannot be said that we have no prime time, we at least match FC/GoM. That may not be much to YOU, but that’s because you’re strong, not because we’re weak for a bronze server.

Upon looking at the evidence though, it seems like GoM may have the 3rd best primetime. IDK, it’s close.

ptitminou.6489:

Solstice.1097:

problem is when people ask themselves if they did the best they could, they often incorrectly answer “yes” because they aren’t aware of what more they could do.

if they were aware, they would have done it.

if you’re not recruiting, you could be doing more. if you’re not helping train and encourage the less-experienced, you could be doing more. if you’re not promoting voice comms or on it yourself, you could be doing more.

the list goes on and on.

So i think the #1 question to ask yourself is: did you have fun?

We’ve got a recruitment thread up, clearly stating our number needs, guilds involved with WvW, the fact SF is the only server with mounts (note: mounts not included), etc.

We have a group of aussies recruiting too. Its not by lack of trying. By default the “Sorrow’s” is negative and uninteresting. Then there is the prohibitive transfer costs of 130g/22$ per person. Then there is the guesting and seeing how terrible SF is at PvE which discourages many PvX players interested in becoming 300% hotter. Then they hear about some guilds not being in TS. The reasons why it is not working are known.

At this point, I think a lot of the bronze servers can only be fixed by merging WvW populations, ie: everyone knows DH can only win by nightcapping, so they’d be a good match for SF. FC and DR would be a great match too since they are stuck up on using SoR tactics, which requires numbers to be effective. AR, KN and GoM would also be a good match giving them great coverage since KN is another nightcapping server.

Darkhaven’s Furnace
Ferguson And Devona (they could even story line this for that boring living world thing they do)
Gates near Kaineng’s Anvil

That way, all those who have any sort of warrantless attachment to the server cluster’s public name on which the character data they are using is stored on would be satisfied and we could have a more interesting league instead of just a few close matches here and there.

Darkhaven can only win by nightcapping? Excuse me lol? We have the third strongest primetime in bronze without question… We’re no SF, but come on… Ugh.

Chuck Zitto.2367:

Not much mention of DR on here. Guess there isn’t much to talk about. I figured we would come in 6th place. I knew we had more pop/coverage than ar and et. I assumed we could beat k nig and we probably could in a different matchup but in this weeks match dh has been pretty much only been focusing us. Last night I finally saw dh hit knig a little bit but its kinda to little to late. Think dh just mad we keep trebbing precious stonemist and roll over them in any even number engagement. While knig just kinda sits in there corner doing nothing.

You beating us in even number engagements? Okay xD. No, we’ve actually taken Kaineng’s fully upgraded borderlands a few times now, ask them. We’ve also tried to on many other occasions but they can map hop pretty quick to defend, they’re simply tougher to take. Also, we took all of their EB yesterday, and THEN took all of your EB, not the other way around.

Solstice.1097:

It seems based on populations that almost everyone would win with 4 leagues in NA.

Diamond – BG/JQ/SoR
Gold – TC/Mag/SoS/FA/SBI/YB
Silver – DB, BP, Ebay, CD, NSP, HoD
Bronze – IoJ, SF, DH, FC, GoM, DR, KN, ET, AR

Under current system:

Nobody can compete with the top 3 so if they want to stack themselves, fine, just don’t make us other servers fight them. Maybe the monotony of being isolated in top tier will help disenchant some players with tier 1.

The bottom 3 of gold can’t compete for 1st, 2nd, or 3rd, while the top 3 of silver don’t have any real competition. Match these 6 servers together and you’ll have some fantastic fights.

Removing the top 3 from silver league would leave a highly competitive league.

Bronze league is already awesome and competitive. I switched HoD with IoJ because I believe HoD is stronger now. That could change but in the off-season we should have matches that cross those league borders to ensure we have the rankings right going into season 2.

Thoughts?

This is so win that words do not even describe. Diamond league would probably get pretty stale, but at least there’d be competition. Bronze is having a blast. It seems to me that FA/SBI are the primary cause of silver being so lopsided, so getting those two into a dif bracket sounds like a great idea.

I want this so bad, make it happen!

TakeCare.3182:

Yeah, that was me. I think I remember you too. We saw you a few times tonight, right? They were good fights and you’re a good guardian. Thank you for the compliment. That’s very nice.

Haha yeah I’m the one who got (quite fittingly) jumped all over when you guys downed me. /laughed on one stealth rezzing thief that I caught so I had that one coming xD.

Oh, no, you didn’t sound like you were attacking us. I get what you’re saying too. It’s not something you wanna experience your first time in WvW, for sure. However, after roaming through an empty map for what seems like a lifetime, the keep/spawn is usually the first place we go. It’s just the easiest place to look for a fight. For the most part, this matchup has been very zerg-oriented (again, nothing wrong with people who zerg). You find a group of 50 people or one person running alone. So contesting a WP and waiting for people to come out is one of the only ways to get a fight that isn’t completely one-sided. It’s unfortunate that it is that way, but that’s just how it’s been going. We wouldn’t do any of that if we were finding manageable groups elsewhere. I’m sorry if we traumatized a new WvWer. There is just very little we can do about that kinda thing. We’ll take what we can get. Regardless, that kind of thing is going to happen no matter who you fight.

Fair enough lol, I can see at least you guys seem quite nice in person. I’ll stop whining in the forums now ^^. Still can’t say I approve of such tactics, but to each his/her own. GL hope to see you guys out there again. Always good fights even if I don’t approve of where they take place lol.