I do apologise if i have rocked the boat i admit i was a bit shocked by the news of recruiting NA players to SFR but maybe you two should argue this one out in private it’s obviously a tad personal.
okey you got it a lil bit wrong. sfr got a community if you didn’t now oh wait you don’t because your not in it.
if some guild just randomly join sfr we will just not give them slot if they ask we will not support them we will totally ignore them.
that is what a community is. a large number of peoples working together making agreements supporting each other communicating.
:D
Sounds a bit like an exclusive gentleman’s club tbh your offering NA invites but at the same time claiming you wont accept any unless they make their case first hand however i can’t see you running out of night cap slots any time soon unless your worried they may encroach into your morning karma train and create queues.
SFR has nothing to fear but free transfers leave the NA guys in peace i wouldn’t wish that incredibly boring shift upon anyone not even the Russians not until other servers could put up a similar fight to make it interesting.
In NA things are more balanced over there with the top 3 servers equally matched to give each other a run for their money they have more than one prime time unlike EU servers and no matter the time there is always a hard fight to be found.
EU guilds that have moved to NA have found a place where most of their opponents also have overlapping coverage 10am-2pm PDT the opposite could be said about NA players coming to EU covering 2am-6am GMT+1 those poor souls will have nothing to fight except a few scouts and a rag tag of exhausted pugs suffering with insomnia fuelled by an over indulgence of caffeine products, ofc you will be contributing to PPT but there will be no fun in doing so unless your into Karma trains.
Tbh it would be a different story if EU was similar to NA in coverage but NA player and guild integration into EU servers really hasn’t taken off very few have such players and guilds in any meaningful numbers if at all to make it competitive during their playing time for most NA players will populate a dead time zone lacking challenge and competition the move would be better justified by re-branding yourselves a PVE guild and farming Champions.
Iv missed SFR and it’s forum warriors couldn’t miss the opportunity to poke some fun and raise a few blood pressures A big hi from across the pond Piken keep up the fight
Why would’t anyone not want to out blob SFR during prime time? looks like the only valid tactic of making up points against the new NA night capping presence your actively seeking to create for the league. everyone else should to do the same and balance the playing field that will make things much more interesting and less frustrating when the time comes.
Axle Gizmo – Officer & WvW Commander
[AFTL] Afterlife – EU – Sanctum of Rall-hypocrite?
Btw, no NA players here, just 5 or six russians, im not sure.
It actually shows how quickly SFR get’s defensive eh?
You are all very much disillusioned if you think EU players in NA are night capper’s id say late morning early afternoon capper’s but definitely not pve door specialists except one difference to EU we actually have plenty of Asians, EU and NA opponents to fight during this time something NA players will find rather difficult to find covering 2am-6am hehe
Why would’t anyone not want to out blob SFR during prime time? looks like the only valid tactic of making up points against the new NA night capping presence your actively seeking to create for the league. everyone else should to do the same and balance the playing field that will make things much more interesting and less frustrating when the time comes.
Or everybody could just move nightcap in NA when things get little bit tough.
So much you know then? NA don’t have night capper’s there are multiple prime times SEA, OCEANIC,EU and NA and they overlap in fact fighting during normal EU prime time there actually equates to 10am-2pm GMT+1 not sleepy time and very much as competitive and as tough if not more so than an EU prime time but without the multiple queues lol
Why would’t anyone not want to out blob SFR during prime time? looks like the only valid tactic of making up points against the new NA night capping presence your actively seeking to create for the league. everyone else should to do the same and balance the playing field that will make things much more interesting and less frustrating when the time comes.
Personally i only play within EU prime and despite what many will claim to be night capping iv seen anything but it all 3 servers have a strong presence the only pve door i encountered was taking hills from BG on SOR bl but JQ [Foo] rushed in behind us and ninja capped it lol
Later JQ had a tier 3 bay locked up like Fort Knox tried a few times to enter and got knocked back by the huge defence effort on the objective lot’s of diversionary tactics also with random tower, garry tagging to lure us away from the real target etc thankfully we had scouts on some of those objectives.
Despite what goes on outside of my EU prime this is a pretty tight matchup in my opinion the outcome is not set in stone everything seems to change at a moments notice thank you everyone for making it so. EU gold league table will be a 1 server blow out with SFR the No 1 stacked server now also actively recruiting NA guilds and players to supplement it’s strong Russian night capping team to not just win but dominate. Now since the majority of EU servers only have a single prime time unlike NA those players joining will be the true definition of night capper’s and pve door specialists who will encounter little more than a few scouts and a small rag tag of pugs.
WoW SoR that truce with JQ last night and the double-teaming seems to have backfired, GJ to JQ for jumping ahead of SoR to second place XD
There was a truce? I’m confused, lol last night all HzH and EMP did was push SOR garrison. LOL
Yup before i logged JQ and SoR had hit BG heavy on all maps we were down to 4 camps across all maps and 1 tower and 1 keep. So yup clear there was a truce since both servers hit BG at the same time on all maps. Normally JQ still lose out when they did passed truces with SoR, this time it was SoR that lost out and slipped to 3rd.
I think someone has their tinfoil hat on a little too tight. You’re the person yelling “We have spies” in /t as well aren’t you?
Dont believe i was talking about spys? I was talking about server’s making a truce to double team another server which is a legit WvW tactic. Maybe you dont understand this but thats fine.
Also if you’re seriously saying spying on other servers TS/map etc doesnt happen then you clearly dont WvW much. All servers have outted spys on there servers including people who have tried seige capping/ draining supplies to help other servers. Only last week BG finally got a guy perma banned for that, thanks to a dev spotting him walking lems off a cliff.
Relating one to the other is not saying one is the other.
As for a truce, considering all yesterday we focused mainly on SoR to push them below us, not seeing a truce there, now trying to keep BG towers paper is a smart tactic, not a truce. Now as for SoR focusing you, I can only guess they view you as the larger threat.
True if their actions on SOR bl during EU time has anything to do with it, Tier 3 Bay AC and trebs everywhere capping the south half of the map and zoning merc in to roll over our smaller capping forces i think at that point [IRON] arrived but was then needed elsewhere so couldn’t stick around was a pretty tough few hours for us we where border line out manned the loss of a few individuals is all it took to swing us over.
Who would rightfully want to be in the gold league? now that SFR are actively recruiting NA guilds to cover it’s off-peak it doesn’t just want to win but completely dominate all coverage which of course it didn’t need to because no EU can currently compete with it for No 1.
Guilds leaving was a combination of factors the nail in the coffin was due to some childish idiots who attacked both the community forum and TS simultaneously with DDOS attacks sending coordination between guilds into chaos and uncertainty. Desolation im sure will bounce back when it finds some solid ground in which to rebuild i wish it the best of luck for the future.
My own guilds departure was a hard decision to make were a small Havoc guild fielding no more than 15-20, with firstly [DVG]’s departure leaving us the prominent guild defending our bl then [COIN] leaving spreading the other guilds out to fill the vacuum we found ourselves isolated and a huge strain placed on us with the additional lack of communication created by the DDOS attacks our resources and manpower where stretched thin lacking large numbers facing nothing but blobs we sadly saw a reduction in raid attendance that we could ill afford to lose in maintaining our role on the field.
A JQ blob chased my lone mesmer last night OC time because I had the gall to take one of the ruins from them on SOR. It was almost funny to see a whole zerg divert to take down 1 mesmer.
That’s no difference than a SOR blob which chased my 1 uplevelled necro tonight right? So far, it’s as simple as seeing red is like seeing bags. Go after it whether it’s 1 or 100.
I think they where doing your server a favour up levelled characters are seen as rally bots for blobs. Secondly even single players can be dangerous in capping bloodlust buff and because the buff makes stomps count to the scoreboard everyone is a target irrelevant of level or threat if it’s got a red name tag it’s a point for the team
Paid or not, you transffered to the most stacked server in NA (Not timezone, bracket)
It was the timezone, bracket we came for not the stacked nature of the server as a whole. We had been approached over the last few weeks from representatives of JQ,BG and SOR so we sent out scouts to these servers for a week to run with guilds get a feel for the community and bring that information back to vote on.
The decision was based on the compatibility of [AFTL] with these servers and in particular during our timezone, were a havoc guild we don’t field large numbers so we don’t stomp around maps and hold the line like larger guilds. It was also a strong factor that we had some guilds we have worked well with in the past and know how we operate as this would speed up our integration and effectiveness that left a strong pull towards SOR with [IRON] and BG with [COIN].
From our findings all three servers are in fact in an arms race against each other so no matter what side you choose your going to get flack from one or both of the other servers who would wish you to believe you would have been better with them, no offence to any of the other servers you have great communities but we voted with what was in our own interests as much as the servers themselves.
Were not here for an easy ride and so far we haven’t gotten it were here to stomp and get stomped in equal measure and learn what we can to better ourselves vs roamers and similar sized havoc squads something that has quickly died out in the EU top tier bracket where the Blobs now primarily rule supreme and individual guild raids have become a thing of the past. Don’t get me wrong were are not disillusioned into thinking NA servers are the opposite we do not wish to be forced to be a blob guild nor feel forced to be part of such and NA for the time being primarily playing outside of NA prime still facilitates the opportunity for us to play the way we want.
You left out the other part of the message where it said most have transferred on their own, only a few are left.
Exactly no one actually asked for help someone kindly just made the offer, were all mostly in off our own backs in the case of AFTL the only people we don’t have are those who haven’t been online the last week or so to make the move and a few we left behind to deal with admin on the other end those people are covered already by us however i believe the core of both guilds are up and running with 30 RISE and 20 AFTL
First real encounter tonight with former Allies [COIN] we waved with our group of 10 and got roll stomped lol oh well i guess we deserved it keeping one step ahead and giving you the run around for a while on SOR bl not that you where looking for us ofc we where just doing what we normally do flip stuff back behind the blobs and larger guilds due to the end of the week Karma trains etc.
Indeed, IRON is a strong force during European prime time. However, other EU guilds exist that weren’t listed.
Afterlife [AFTL] is now one of those guilds albeit were currently not long on the server and still dealing with admin and getting our numbers organised and into a routine.
I will not pretend to understand what BG was like and what it is now but i will give you credit from what i have seen personally you guys have still got considerable numbers despite all the doomsayers. Leagues have been postponed for a few weeks and there ain’t much at the moment worth the fight over PTT tbh so it’s natural some guilds and servers are hanging back and consolidating themselves.
So much tension going on in this thread i cannot keep up with all the posts and the history behind it.
I suppose it could be worse you could be say in an EU server matchup thread with one international server vs two national servers that all don’t speak the same language then your just iether talking to yourself most often than not or things are miss-interpretated through translations and upsetting people unintentionaly lol
Desolation has lost a fair number of guilds to either NA or to the EU Server Piken – and most of the forum warriors we have along with them.
That’s not the reason it’s quiet on this thread m8 it’s because JS and ER are both national servers and apart from a few they often prefer to discuss matchups in their own tongue and in their own section of the forum, that leaves an international EU server like Desolation mostly forced to talk to itself but does not reflect much about the matchups in general.
All these EU players coming across to talk trash whilst avoiding prime time in their own servers….
all it relates to is where the server is based for latency purposes.
Actually I believe both the NA and EU servers are located in Austin, TX.
Not exactly there are two registered IP’s NA traces to Austin Texas, EU in Frankfurt Germany however both do report back to a central data centre for ArenNet in Austin Texas but it doesn’t handle the EU’s server data Frankfurt does.
Ofc correct me if im wrong but that is my understanding
All these EU players coming across to talk trash whilst avoiding prime time in their own servers….
You what? there’s more decent action here during our prime time than there is back there. Have you actually been on a tier 1 EU server? if not you should try it then you will know were not avoiding anything but boredom of being night capped by crazy Russians.
GW2 WvW in EU is a disaster because EU cannot play 24hr WvW coverage that NA servers can and further more are more stable, and this is the model Anet want’s to create. Personally i find playing here outside of NA prime time more of a challenge and despite what you call EU trash talk Servers belong to Anet and everyone is free to be a part of whatever server they want NA/EU doesn’t matter all it relates to is where the server is based for latency purposes.
So stop being Xenophobic towards European players from across the pond we have a soul too lol
Wow SOR bay did i just witness all of BG that could fit on the map outside the south gate a bit overkill is it not?
You can keep your bags, as were still winning the war whilst you stand around flexing numbers and gathering loot bags lol
Welcome to SoR and thank you for the bags.
Oh, and btw – You must have missed the part in the SoR welcoming letter, that SoR do not care about PPT, and only play for the fights.
But congratulations on… uhm… Winning…
P.S. I’ll just leave the pre-edit quote here, so my post makes sence
No it still don’t make sense SOR do not play for points but play for fights? your mixing SOR up with BG me thinks either that or your being sarcastic lol
Yeah thanks for the bags too i managed to make up my K/D ratio from attempting to charge blob groups earlier in the evening with a group of 5 by sitting on the mortar what a force multiplier like shooting fish in a barrel your dropped it once i re-build it and rinse and repeat.
Wow SOR bay did i just witness all of BG that could fit on the map outside the south gate a bit overkill is it not? You can keep your loot bags that was a total lagfest and contributed very little in the end other than what i perceived as a defiant protest at our gate whilst everything around you was abandoned.
Personally i would have put those numbers to better use rather than all in the one place but i suppose everyone has their own agenda.
It’s rather interesting that us Europeans as a minority seem to have the loudest voices when it comes to matchup threads lol.
Im not taking sides but if you make an accusation best to back it up with evidence that way it doesn’t drag on till next week with, “they did this, no we didn’t …. blah blah blah” lol
I understand anyone who knows me will call me a hypocrite but im very much on my best behaviour fresh server and fresh start and all that
[IRON] and [COIN] behave we do not want to have to spend the rest of this week trying to keep you guys split apart a bit of rivalry is fine let’s keep it as civil as possible we came here to fight not act as referee lol
Oh and EU guilds are not all band wagon guilds iv personally not come here to win tbh im here to fight and stomp and get stomped by better opponents the role of a havoc guild is one that often bears no personal reward throwing yourself into a superior numbered opponent to slow them down is frustrating to say the least, taking on a tier 3 tower with inferior numbers to distract opponents the fact is were nuts that is what we choose to do be it 10 vs 100 we manage tasks blobs can’t and have done so for a long time many of our previous servers can vouch on that and the ultimate reward goes to the servers effort our personal reward comes from having good opponents to clash with we just help by doing what we enjoy.
But it’s like a few hours in a 24hr coverage game here in NA there are many guilds from just as many time-zones contributing to the end score everyone has their part to play.
Lol bg’s new blob commander beatrix getting so kitten over constantly getting wiped that he has to pull an entire map blob to lag out the entire eb and cause massive rubberbanding. hilarious. his agenda to get revenge on us after he emoed out has gone down the drain. he’s getting smashed in 1v1’s. he’s getting smashed in 2v1’s. and now this map v 25 ? lol you’re funny dude. the level of hurt butt that dude displays is epic. keep up the good(?) work. we’re getting so much loot that we have to stop and empty our bags ever 10 minutes lol
Havoc squad reinforcements en-route looks like we got ourselves a blob convoy to de-rail
Pret, sorry yourself and IRON got pushed off the map of EB tonight mate (community event tonight). We actually film all our Guild raids (that are closed), so the propaganda your trying to spread that were getting ‘smashed’ isn’t going to fly. Please don’t go down that road, you guys are better than that (I hope?). Sorry didn’t lose my stacks tonight, we did trade wipes back and worth on Sunday I will agree, but then again at our first few clashes you blobbed, used spies to know exactly where we were and generally display un-sportsmanship behavior. We actually came here because EU was stale, not for you, sorry
P.S Axle Afterlife is a real guild? Thought you guys just specialized in propaganda posting? Are you giving lessons to Pret? (P.S Axle I still <3 you)
#shotsfired
#zerokittensgiven
Oh and it begins already and were only on the server what 2-3 hrs lol AFTL haven’t even begun raiding yet. Havoc guilds are the unsung heroes m8 we don’t need to spread propaganda actions speak louder than words this post i commented on was actually the first mention of you guys iv seen on this thread so i hijacked the post to introduce ourselves to the matchup not exactly a poke at you guys. (P.S) <3 u too hehe
If you mean welcome to blob warfare it’s exactly the same in the EU will be fun fighting alongside and against some former allies [IRON] and [COIN] and in general
looking forward to meeting new faces be it alongside or at the end of my Hammer
Lol bg’s new blob commander beatrix getting so kitten over constantly getting wiped that he has to pull an entire map blob to lag out the entire eb and cause massive rubberbanding. hilarious. his agenda to get revenge on us after he emoed out has gone down the drain. he’s getting smashed in 1v1’s. he’s getting smashed in 2v1’s. and now this map v 25 ? lol you’re funny dude. the level of hurt butt that dude displays is epic. keep up the good(?) work. we’re getting so much loot that we have to stop and empty our bags ever 10 minutes lol
Havoc squad reinforcements en-route looks like we got ourselves a blob convoy to de-rail
Awesome vid it seemed a lost cause when entering home bl outmanned and with nothing our own but we managed to turn it around with a good mix of offence and defence. For any fellow Desolation in doubt you can clearly see we have still got the fighting spirit and that vid was with no big guilds just a small one and a normally PVE guild and the support of the random players.
Thanks to [PAYA] a former PVE guild taking the plunge into WvW you did good guys
What’s happened has happened and will have to run it’s course, it’s not all doom and gloom and end of the server stuff. Were tired with coming last against Gold standard servers, before all this we teetered on the edge of silver and gold we had to make a choice which side of the line we could realistically compete in.
Yes guilds left but if it’s any consolation this should ease our opponents minds that if we do reach silver we hopefully will be on a level playing field having shed a fair bit of weight out of our prime time and out of hour coverage.
It don’t help either when all your community tools TS and Forum is faced by relentless DDOS attacks these last few days, everything has had to be pulled for the time being. Talk about hitting a community when it’s down eh?.
Best of luck to the guys dealing with the situation we gotta ride out the storm.
Deso will be rebuilding until Anet makes WvW appealing to the PvErs or PvE suddenly gets boring, then Deso will have an army of PuGs again. Aslong as FG, GoD, INVI, Coin, TLA, AFTL, EXG and sorry if i missed any, stick around we can still put up a fight during prime time
Yeah and those Abbadon blobs on deso bl tonight saw for themselves that as long as we AFTL and the guilds above are on a map we wont roll over even if AFTL did have to be told to calm down on the PPT a bit we started with re-capturing Garry and got a bit carried away all whilst outmanned on the map most of the evening lol.
Thanks to [PAYA] for distracting the enemy blobs we had a few good moments where we could support you in a pincer move on the blobs and to [GoD] who showed up later, and to all the randoms who attended tonight.
It’s like what was said in map chat when somebody commented were out manned they have a blob and Screenager replied we will keep fighting as long as you do.
We have footage of the fight in Deso still very much alive and i can’t wait till it’s posted up here for all to enjoy cheers Abbadon and BB for an epic night.
That’s nice to see it’s a very rare thing these days
Tried something similar from time to time but i always get bad results, first time jumped up and down got miss-interpreted as a challenge for a dual i guess second time waved and got set on before i had completed the animation and 3rd time i stood still and got miss-interpreted as an easy AFK kill so many mindless killers out there lol
Well.. some guilds want to drop to silver league, what is totally bullkitten ofcourse. Yes we are a bit outnumbered but I was trying to get some good guilds to here and I have said that to some of our community.
These guilds wont come if we are not in the gold league, but hey! We lost 40 DVG! We are so bad now.
Sorry deso, but do you even know how silver league will be ? Boring fights, No players to fight…
I rather die 1000x then to go in silver league..
Brave warriors in Deso, very brave.
/ashamed
Magnetron please take yourself over to our internal forum and you will find my response to your post.
Was some funny stuff going on in Abbadon bl last night with [AFTL] taking the helm and [CS] and other small guilds like [ARTE] i believe in support.
Didn’t quite have the numbers to sustain any real pressure on either opponent so we focused on holding bay sieging up etc, every time we tried a push on Abbadon we where heavily outnumbered and they would retaliate by breaking through N gate and pushing through to S and back out to cap vale camp and drain our supply down.
Nice to see some old faces like [siN] from BB glad to see you guys still as large and formidable an opponent as always poor Carcasstro from AFTL felt like he had a target on his back all night lol.
As we wound down our raid for the night we where replaced by the Pain Train from EB led by Ins but even that proved no match for the combined efforts of siN and BB forces in Hills and later the huge 90+ blob of Abbadon determined to take Bay our relief force got held up engaging [siN] at vale just as you where on the inner gate, oh well was fun whilst it lasted and thanks to everyone for putting in the effort and to our opponents for giving us a pasting.
Nice match up. I hope we shall meet deso again this reset, and reset after reset, basicly the same amount of resets as vizunah had you. Those tasty tears of dispair…
Fighting Viz was tears of joy m8 the bags just rolled in you would even get them long after a fight where half would run away, there was this one time i was scouting in a tower and 5 bags and a chest just appeared rnd my feet how Nice
As harsh as it may sound to my own server would you pay 1800 for an unreliable clapped out motor that could break down at any moment or 1000 or less on a practical, more reliant and economic model? The way things are going that is an example of the choice people are making, it is purely up to guilds and individuals playing on Desolation to get their heads screwed on and improve our image into a positive one.
Here’s a tasty fact mostly every guild that has come to desolation in recent months involved some form of financial support in doing so, we simply can’t attract large WvW guilds in because they cant afford the entire transfer costs on their own.
It’s correct if a guild really want’s to move it will find the gems to do so but if that cost is exceptionally high there better be a good incentive for doing so. Deso has a very active PVE community but you can guest to enjoy that the big question mark hovering over us is our WvW performance in these mathups if somebody is going to pay 1800 gems they will expect us to compete with SFR and Viz, nobody will expect to pay that to fight in mid ranks when there are plenty of medium pop servers with a price tag of 500 gems who can put up a strong fight in those brackets.
I would agree possibly DVG could have done a bit of scouting before moving. saying that it’s departure will be felt on our bl’s, hope everyone is now prepared to take up the slack?
To be quite frank i applaud your server for having the ability to bounce back i really do but i would hang fast on getting on your high horse and calling us all terrible, with your efforts and success you have inadvertently created again the very thing that brought you down and if i should be as bold to mention the phrase free transfers we know what comes next We cannot yet rule out that these will not return at some stage.
btw the price to get to sfr is like 50+g so your excuse is lame…..
How is that lame? the cost fluctuates depending on the current Exchange rate of gold/gems when i first transferred to desolation even then at 1800 gems it cost 43 gold as the months have gone by the value of gold has depreciated quite allot either way you are a cheaper.
The only thing that has ever hampered Desolation from taking share of transfers is that dreaded 1800 gem transfer fee in today’s exchange rate that is like 70 gold per head it is the primary reason we get very few transfers , people want to win and they compare that with the cost involved to do so SFR and other servers are a way more attractive option to these people it’s not all about organisation and skill.
SFR can maintain much higher coverage and numbers with a smaller cheaper to transfer server because you have a greater full time WvW vs PVE/X population. I very much believe if all the WVW guilds left Deso it would still very much be a High populated server that speaks volumes in how much of the total population the WVW players actualy represent lol.
