Guild Wars 2

Tbh with the outflow that preceded us leaving Tier 1 im surprised Desolation didn’t crash and burn like Blacktide did when the same happened to them.

That’s purely down to the efforts of those few guilds that remained albeit small guilds that came out from the shadow of the larger guilds like IRON and VOTF etc that left us for greener pastures.

For those of us who remain on desolation that have ignored the call of greener pastures to continue to stagger across the war torn desecrated no man’s land that others can no longer stomach, Listen to this as long as there are players still willing to fight many will endeavor to step up to the mark and offer leadership and stand shoulder to shoulder with you.

There will be a day that the good old war cry “We Will Desolate” will ring true again"

The weekend means nothing Deso held superiority over the first weekend matched with SFR and Kodash once the week started SFR took over and trumped everyone.

It’s early days to predict a victor in any matchup, let’s wait and see what the remainder of the week brings everything could turn on it’s head who knows?

Guardians are all mostly doing WvW it’s where they really shine with retaliation and AH

Just remember there are no longer tiers in WvW guys so no more referring to tier 1-2-3 etc just RNG.

I have a guardian and my opinion is the damage aspect once the bl issue is fixed should be fine however it’s not the damage itself but the multiple sources from many players in a zerg that’s the killer the only professions and builds safe are those focused on single target DPS.

Yeah skill lag was mad for us too i was getting eaten up by retaliation couldn’t even get my healing skill to pop once not even skill 1 worked at times. We had two commander 1 from [GOD] running their guild raid and [AFTL] commanding the pugs to defend garrison the place had broken doors everywhere no supply left and camps dry as a bone, we had individuals out scouting for supply everywhere in an attempt to get the doors back up and keep your reinforcements and kodash out if we had of failed and resulted in a 3 way in that lord room i dare say we would have crashed the map lol.

With that many broken doors there simply was no other alternative apart from [GOD] there was no other guild group big enough to plug the gaps we had ECL in the lord room running rings rnd us on the ramparts and you guys beating the south inner it was chaotic to say the least but thankfully most of deso kept focused on the task at hand instead of becoming a headless chicken.

Is that supposed to be a troll attempt? lol where you there did you not like the underdogs rising up against you?

What did you expect to find when coming to Desolation bl a Map filled with multiple guild raids of 20-30 for some GvG? surely after these few weeks you would have taken your heads out of the clouds and learnt that we as a server can no longer facilitate that but still a few want to moan regardless.

always ones sided with you if you win with superior numbers not a peep out of you until the shoe is on the other foot then it becomes unfair.

who was in Deso bl tonight? flipping epic eh?

ZD/BOOM and ECL on a two pronged attack on Garrison, all hands on deck for deso to hold it to the end as no supply for a smaller defense to keep the doors shut place was like swiss cheese all night long. Pushed one group out find another breaking in another door lol eventually we had most of the SFR zergs plus Deso zerg inside the lord room chasing each other up and down the ramparts we managed to deal with ECL and the remainder of ZD eventually jumped out.

Good job Deso peeps especially to those who searched far and wide to gather supply for repairs Kodash used the breathing space well to cap most of our camps and any left where dry as a bone.

And thank you SFR for the epic clash really had us on our toes although im sure many of you where probably getting frustrated after repeated attempts to wear us down. before any QQ arises please remember between EB and home bl Pugs roam and blobs occur there are very few guild raids to be found here especially our home bl and if so only two regular guilds with no more than 20 players, [AFTL] had a good night and handed over command of the bl to [CLAW] for the remainder of the evening with a rather exhausted smile.

Of course SFR would like to be matched with Piken Square again the two servers are guild raid focused the only difference is SFR is still stronger and would roll over them due to coverage so it would only benefit both sides in getting a bit more GvG on the go.

Victory.2879:

We got back SM again – only to finally lose it when our numbers dropped right off.

Worst thing today was CON asking people to move out of EB to another BL just so they could get their ‘private raid’ going. Not sure that really helps the server or the image of your guild- hopefully it was a one off and not a regular occurence, it really does put people off playing in wvw. And then you drive away players who will take over after you have had your fun..

Probably a better idea to take your ‘private raid’ to one of the other BL’s – we did this with great success and a lot of fun on FSP with AoA- trying to do a raid in prime time on EB was always pretty impossible as you wouldn’t get guildies in and we would never ask people to ‘go to another BL’ as that shows a complete lack of respect for others.

I can understand the ‘no tags’ idea to encourage people to join TS, but is it working, or are people just thinking ‘ho hum no tag, let’s run around retaking camps, oops there goes another tower’?

Bear in mind also there are a large number of people who cannot use TS for various reasons, so if your not showing a tag you’re probably losing a lot of the server strength and negatively impacting the score.

Having said all this, was a good day of wvw for me, some epic fights, and those golem raids on the keeps were just awesome!

Maybe this was better posted up on the SFR community forums m8 as it’s an internal issue.

Jee wizz been bouncing about Deso bl like a yoyo thanks to the the relentless efforts by SFR and Kodash, then SFR zone in CoN to repel us from taking hills was a good evening all

Retaliation stacks duration so you can get more out of it having like mentioned above multiple sources, but yes it is supposed to be broken on some maps.

Just employ the services of a pocket guardian to give you your own source of retaliation, my guardian and my friend with his necro together had a field day vs 3-4 on a tower wall with an AC they literally stupidly killed themselves and the AC lol

Aikanaro.2609:

Lost all respect to the Desolation players now. Your actions with the cheating mesmer from guild “PvP” is just silly. Hacking in the combat, teleporting inside lord room in bay – what is it? You are not repoting it, but using his exploits and trying to take keeps behind our backs. Bleh.

We do report people just because a few players from mostly unheard of guilds took the portal doesn’t mean it represents the whole server. dont make assumptions that we don’t report, you and your friends more than likely had a better idea if something suspicious went on and have a report button too so use it.

It’s the zergs causing the lag the servers can’t handle the population clashes in top tiers hence why only key 1 works as it has priority over everything else for these situations.

It’s easy to say that 66% of other servers don’t have a problem however if those in top tiers can’t WvW and it doesn’t get fixed people will flood down to those 66% and bring the lag with them.

laquito.5269:

Haven’t seen a SINGLE solo roamer on SFR or Deso’s side within a week. So annoying to see all this blobbing and group play everywhere.

To do such a thing would compare those individuals to those who live in jumping puzzles, they contribute very little if anything to the server effort. If your in a guild that is WvW focused your expected to roll with your guild and not go off and do your own thing when your guild is raiding. The only alternative for those who enjoy 1v1 is roam outside of guild raid times.

I have no general ill feeling towards SFR, servers primarily focused on guild raids always get bad attention by those servers who rely heavily on pugs was the same with piken Square and Black tide back in the day, and it will be the same for us if we ever recover our losses.

Possibly Anet’s messed up resets on Friday that split servers all over the shop made the situation worse that night i know for a fact those already in Desolation in home bl where still matched with Kodash but those Queued and zoning in ended up paired with Riverside and Abaddons mouth for about 5 mins resulting in messing up servers bl allocation. Despite that for those 5 mins many im sure felt we where better matched than the status quo.

Hebril Amolebin.9817:

Axle.5182:

SFR send ZD’s, CON, ECL 3 of their best and largest guild raids all to Deso bl to farm pugs GG lol

Honestly we spread on all maps and initial plan was them to be on sfr I think but once we jumped the maps we got transfered randomly after the restart joinn kodash bl moved my raid to SFR bl . But yeah strange reset nice fun and random js ect before the restart didnt stay after the second restart:D but on sfr we had 4 commanders on 1 point and Deso and Kodash only faceless blobs gg and you blame us blobing we had 4 different independent groups of 20-30

I dont accuse you of blobbing but with Deso not having any single guild in that bl with anything close to 20 facing off against multiple 20-30+ raids which tbh it’s a numbers game we can’t compete with. In the face of this smaller raids have no choice but to join forces an example of how under strength our guild raids are is on friday when you had CON and ZD in garrison it took 3 commanders to form that blob of ours that involved nearly everyone present on the bl.

Bottom line Desolation does not belong in tier 2 in it’s current state we have pugs but lack strong guilds with numbers who can roam and coordinate, it was a different story in days gone by when we had Votf, IRON and sadly many other guilds who we lost that had the numbers to face your guild groups and keep you occupied. Unfortunately two 15-20 man PVX guild raids plus pug group isn’t going to cut it on a bl dominated by three of SFR’s professional WvW guilds, it’s not your problem its ours hence i say we don’t belong here but further down the tiers for now.

Last week Deso caught SFR’s Russians with their pants down they will not make that same mistake again.

After the first reset i queued back into what i thought was Desolation bl only to find myself spawn into Abaddon’s Mouth bl with Desolation matched with them and Riverside.

The craziest thing was we where actually speaking to what appeared to be Germans from either River or Abaddon through map chat that where as shocked as we where that 1 we where matched together and second that we where sharing map chat lol

SFR send ZD’s, CON, ECL 3 of their best and largest guild raids all to Deso bl to farm pugs GG lol

I do not understand why Troma you even bother m8 one person should not need alone to prop up a server if so it shows major failings within your community and no sooner you take your eye off the ball for a mere moment it will all fall apart again.

The true lesson to take away from the Viz situation like many other servers is with great success at any cost comes a hefty price. Vizunah would have benefited like many other servers much better had it had access to fighting more varied servers other than only stacked super servers from the start.

Rather than let the server fall and reorganize naturally and adapt new tactics and a fresh approach to WvW individuals merely throw a lifeline to keep the status quo that many dislike about Viz on life support for a while longer to the next time.

Let go guys no one can predict letting viz fall out of tier 1 will spell the end of the server, you might even find if you shed excess baggage it may work out better in the long run.

That’s if you even have Deso to fight on reset, isn’t the new bracket and random draw system not being incorporated from today? Tbh it’s anyone’s guess if it’s the same matchup or different

Dual.8953:

BrimstoneAshe.5043:

Terrahero.9358:

Thor.1756:

autoattack with 1-chain. if it hits an enemy in stealth, it will proceed to the second skill in the chain and you will know you’ve found an enemy.

Also, isn’t there something called a stealth trap?

And then three Thieves pop out of Stealth, insta-down you, and stealth finish you while your allies are wondering “gee what happend to Thor?”

Bingo! We have a winner!

And we’re assuming Thor has no common sense and wouldn’t say were he found them?

neither would it matter they would be long gone, its’s hard to catch up with heart seeking thieves bouncing off into the distance while every other class has an asthma attack trying to keep up.

Did anyone even see the thief? from the video he was either in perma stealth or culled out or not rendered by you client due to your settings.

If in deed he is in perma stealth that is just kitten how can you fight or target something you can’t see further more how is that balanced? sure i can see tell tales of stealth application but he is long gone from that spot rather quickly.

Not to mention thiefs skill steal fear and use it against you

How about if you want something that is not exclusive to necro but not accessible by all classes introduce a condition that effects stealth.

You can kill two birds with one stone there firstly DS has space for an additional skill and it also makes sense whilst in DS to assume our shroud could give us the ability to either see through or reveal stealth whilst we transverse the world of the living/dead.

Secondly it will help to quell the issues people are having with thiefs and stealth having a few classes with access to such a counter in the form of a condition will make allot of people happy after all everything must have a counter to be balanced and conditions can all be cleansed.

Guardians have allot of damage mitigation, Aegis being a big one it completely nullifies the opening strike of a rotation or chain combine that with virtues, armor values and toughness, retaliation and regen capabilities of a guardian and after a few strikes most thief’s get the hint this aint going to be a quick fight and so not worth the effort when there are many quick kills to be had elsewhere.

Basically in a nut shell thief’s go for quick kills deny them it and they quickly lose interest and back off easier, said than done for other classes i know. Condition necro’s with high toughness and HP do tend to fair better vs thief but still not very forgiving for making a mistake unlike a thief who can stealth and start again.

It is all a lie Troma is really coming to Desolation to utilize his great talent in rallying up broken spirited men and woman to fight with determination and valor.

Stand bye!! for the second coming of the zombie apocalypse were going to paint the world green muhahaha lol

Morthan.5439:

Axle.5182:

If you truly do have Troma now on SFR i feel sorry for the guy part of his whole withdrawal from Grand Cross was down to the inflammatory nature of some of it’s members towards others who seek nothing more but to argue the back legs off a donkey for the sake of an argument and tbh you can find similarities within the vocal few of the SFR community here too.

OMG guys……… you take these forums waaaaaay too seriously! Jeeeeeesus…. I now understand why this tread fills with hate, ppl take it seriously….
This is a gaming forums, and a tread about 3 rival servers fighting over each other. This tread is destined to become trolling and provocative, and to a cretain extend even flamatory. Just take things a bit more loosely and laugh at it just like I do

The only way to avoid not taking it seriously is not even bother reading it… pitty i can never take my own advice lol

If you truly do have Troma now on SFR i feel sorry for the guy part of his whole withdrawal from Grand Cross was down to the inflammatory nature of some of it’s members towards others who seek nothing more but to argue the back legs off a donkey for the sake of an argument and tbh you can find similarities within the vocal few of the SFR community here too.

Fenrir.3609:

Grok.6714:

SFR Alliance would like to welcome Troma from ex Grand Cross.
Things are already improving on our side, thanks to his involvement in organisation activities. Deso, instead of whining, you should also look for a competent community leader.

We’d like to thank DRQ for the efforts until last week, and we wish him good luck wherever he may chose to go.

You are right ofc in that people should look to get their own houses in order instead of whinging about what others are doing.

But it’s a bit rich that SFR people are telling others to “stop whining”, given that since the inception of this thread, some SFR forum users have been the biggest culprits of it.

Good point if i remember correctly the first negative posts to enter this thread where from some kitten SFR people over Desolation capping night and day calling us Vizunah’s little brother etc purely because your Russians took the weekend off or something.

You lose people u moan now you win and people still moan it’s a catch 22 from mostly the same few individuals it was the same in tier 1 with you guys you have some pretty socially screwed up kittens in your community as we all do. Ultimately you reap what you sow, when a few outspoken individuals start wrecking the mood in this thread over coverage it’s inevitable that others will retaliate when your coverage is back and ruling the bl’s. Those first few inflammatory posts are now proven as nothing more than the pot calling the kettle black.

Hold on her people most are missing the point… explain to me why it requires a purchased consumable and supply just to counter a game mechanic? That would be the equivalent of forcing people to buy a consumable in order to strip retaliation.

It’s been a pain since this new patch firstly being unable to build anything other than golems and secondly lag has got worse instead of better possibly some sort of memory leak on the servers or something dropping packets.

Had fun fighting some similar sized guild groups with our guild raid tonight can’t remember names mostly skirmishes on supply camps on Deso bl.

Will be hilarious to see SFR back fighting viz again too if the new system works the way im guessing, tier will not dictate who your matched with but merely your rank and im guessing all current tier 1 and 2 are fair game for a mix and match

Im sure many have tried running smaller guild groups on but frankly it doesn’t always go both ways or last for very long. I remember a situation on reset where we attempted to split a SFR group up from garrison by sending a distraction force consisting of a 15-20 man guild group to Bay by the time we had made it into lord room we were descended upon by a large force consisting of both [CON] and [ECL].

It is situations like that from all servers that teaches smaller groups to stack up. I don’t like it either but unfortunately people are very good at adapting to losing in situations the minute a single group encounters a bigger group it can’t handle it will naturally adapt, eventually all groups become blobs and small groups become extinct rather quickly.

Im guessing SFR believed that with the departure of Jade and the introduction of Deso this matchup would be a whitewash for them lol.

Desolation was not and is not in freefall just to clear up any misconception. we haven’t waited to tier 2 get our house in order that process had already begun weeks back in tier 1 whilst still fighting zombies.

So if SFR believes our arrival in tier 2 signifies we are weak and in a state of disarray you’re mistaken, it is true were not as strong as we once were many of our larger guilds were lost during the zombie apocalypse war but for those survivors that rode out the storm their will and determination couldn’t be any stronger.

If you truly think the situation is bad then you can only thank your lucky stars we don’t have the IRON Triangle on Deso anymore or the situation would be much worse for our opponents, remnants exist for example IRON [Hall] PVX and the creation of a new WvW guild from those that stuck with Deso Eternal Invictus who much of you face regularly on EB however they no longer are connected to the original IRON they now forge their own independant future.

But then i guess any Deso player coming on here attempting to explain our situation or justify this match is wasting their breath Haters will Hate regardless.

And Sjaakie no the other maps will not join EB we don’t have the luxury of a border hopping blob like SFR nor have i witnessed any call to do so as it would be pointless as it often has a long queue attached to it.

Hold up here guys were quickly going borderline into slipping into the same kitten forum manner that turned the Deso,SFR,Viz thread into a torrent of abuse .

Everything started off so nice then someone says the wrong thing then it escalates and goes downhill from there nip it in the bud please.

We’re all hypocrites many claim that they play for the fights and not the points but yet that would mean night capping should have little significance on those individuals. If people truly just care about the fun of open field fights they shouldn’t care what happens outside of their raid times.

Within almost every matchup servers have a night capping force some bigger than others this alone does not destroy the matchup, what does is an example of Vizunah that will dominate night and daytime and hole up inside their tier 3 objectives during EU prime time.

This is not the case in tier 2 ownership of objectives and control of maps varies frequently throughout a 24hr period.

I was rather shocked after last nights reset hammering to 3rd place from Kodash and SFR to awaken to a complete role reversal with Deso in the lead and stomping around EB at 8-9am GMT.

Im guessing people were on the Red Bull all night should have drank the stuff myself as after a hard days work and 5 tins of Guinness i fell asleep after 2-3hrs lol now go have a well deserved lie down and conserve your energy for the fights to come

P.S someone please shoot that Kodashi flying warrior who thinks he is a duck in SM contesting the waypoint here is my tribute to you my feathery friend lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7V7deGPlQpU

Galdosch.4328:

Thimill.9162:

…Btw, congratulations Elona for this week.
Nice organisation and motivation again.
Especially Aegis and GD….

Thx but its not one guild or two. Every single player on Elona makes this victory possible. So thx for every man or woman who played this week for our server.

Sorry for my english.

No need to apologise m8 it was a good translation

olleN.2356:

Desolation are just spectators and ain’t doing anything.

Where do you hang out on the bl’s are you only allowed out at special times of the day?

Deso in no sense is sitting on it’s backside must i remind you despite only having the capacity to man 1 and a half bl’s we can still show viz a thing or two about fighting whilst losing a war.

Friday reset one of [TLA] commanders leading the half populated out manned bl that is Deso successfully trolled the hell out of viz attempting to hold bay and actually did a victory lap before capping by opening both south and north outer, despite your number advantage you were merely walking loot bags. Even so whilst we did a mesmer sweep Elona came knocking on south outer and they too were sent packing.

Later that evening on EB [EXG] made swiss cheese of SM with 4-5 trebs and took the cap in the time from the new build warning till the game was pulled down.

Tonight another example we got news an Elona group was heading to Gods supply camp from the west the [AFTL] led group intercepted them just outside the archway and wiped them and went straight on into a viz group coming up from the path where the jumping puzzle is after about 5 mins of fighting your bigger group = more loot bags.

My guild has collected quite some footage whilst defending our bl that contradicts your claim. Yes we cannot win the War but we do not take the inevitable drop in tier lying down, we still bring the numbers we have left to fight multiple fronts, we face Viz in the East and Elona in the West and at times all at the same time, we have no reinforcements to call to save our Kitten like Viz, what we have is all we’re getting.

Elona have my respect they do not degrade us with petty comments like yours and they show true skill in the field they respect our position in this match as a small WvW populated server holding the line against unfathomable strength of opposition.

Iv been on a few servers in my time GH,BT,PS but not once have i witnessed such staying determination that represents the population of Desolation in refusing to back down quietly when the war is lost.

AndrewSX.3794:

Suggestion: Freeze siege timer as part of outmanned buff.

i was just about to mention something similar you beat me to it lol

or at least increase the despawn timer, the way i see it outmanned buff players have a hard enough time distributing out what little numbers they may have to flip camps etc and when it comes to taking larger objectives they most often have to ball up just to compete even in a single engagements with an enemy server.

Offering a longer despawn with outmanned buff will help in freeing up players to get on with actually fighting off an enemy rather than having to choose whether to fight or disengage to refresh siege every 30 mins. Those without unmanned buff are more than capable of sparing a small number to refresh siege.

Sounds pretty useless to remove the trading post (avoided TP in fear of confusion with toiletries lol) What is the thought process behind that then? not to mention it ninja’d it’s way into the patch.

Surely it’s not to cut down the reward for zerging im pretty sure zerging went pandemic after the WXP introduction and if anything this just makes everyone else suffer in an environment where WvW rewards are slim in comparison to PVE

Actually from a personal view of the one and a half bl’s we deso can fill i play on the half part which is our own bl and despite being outnumbered and no queue our guys work very hard despite losing fights due to the numbers game any Elona that we meet have been great opponents and i would not say those we have encountered are lacking any in open field.

EB may be a different story as traditionally both home bl’s and EB field the greatest amount of pug groups this can amount to all sorts of coordinational mishaps and shenanigans.

I will go as far as saying Viz groups on our bl have an over reliance in pushing the number odds in their favor before engaging similar sized forces and the pugs are too quick to break ranks and flee if things don’t go their way.

The only way many of us hold out as much as we can on Deso bl with our numbers is through pure aggression, those who want to flee are restrained, we die we re-spawn and come back to the fight, if we lose something were straight back on it even if we have to face rub the doors we try to keep the pressure on best we can.

Enough of this defeatism talk Desolation still fights on within it’s capacity to do so if we drop tier we do so with it at the back of our minds. As long as there are people still showing up every evening on the bl’s commanders will continue to lead them to the fight.

I had a viz thief def a player and not a mesmer clone the other week teleport onto the ramparts to kill all the defensive siege.

def feel that u need to fraps every thing you do these days just to ensure you get evidence as screesnhots don’t always show the full picture and are easily critizised lol

Yeah let’s not start getting too personal about nationality guys, this is a game, virtual warfare in a game cannot be held in the same context as real life.

satkis.7021:

Dayra.7405:

[X] Leave T1 as fast as posssible?
[X] Play a normal match?
[ ] Revenge on Viz?
[ ] Show the newcomer that you are still stronger?
[ ] ….

Hi, answered my opinion
We are playing even now but because of the obvious reasons can’t do it 100% now. And I mean 100% of the power we currently have with only few WvW guilds.

While we try to play as normal match as we can it isn’t possible at the moment. Tier 2 is still our destination. Elona sure brings a fresh wind to t1 so we warmly welcome you! I wouldn’t mind little doubleteaming against vs either!

There’s a rather huge point gap to shed that iv found out desolation simply can’t pull off any time soon. Also with SFR now going to tier 2 they have the possibility of holding poll position and tanking their way to keep from bumping back up.

Deso with its inferior coverage and manpower can compete when there are strong opponents to spread population out, since SFR’s demise this hasn’t happened and Viz can stack forces on individual bl’s to run over both of us. That is why these last few weeks have been pants.

I welcome Elona as a strong opponent that will hopefully break the status quo of the last month or so where Viz have had free roam of prime time and don’t have the luxury of stacking and forced to fight two opponents again.

Dayra.7405:

Hi Deso’s, what’s your expectation/wishes for next week?
For example:
[ ] Leave T1 as fast as posssible?
[ ] Play a normal match?
[ ] Revenge on Viz?
[ ] Show the newcomer that you are still stronger?
[ ] ….

Thanks for info (and if it has no other sense, every answer helps to fill the 100 pages)

Answer:

Play a normal match, there is no sense in giving up dropping out of tier 1 is still far off in the distance even if we tried, business as usual and we welcome a fresh face to the tier 1 resistance against Viz.

Za Drots pain train all over Deso bl bashing the poor pugs ouch!!!

Viz and SFR [VG]we could handle an organized large guild raid on the other hand proved too much where you guys been hiding? lol

Under Web.2497:

Spiuk.8421:

Alaclis.6579:

graverr.6473:

Meh .Have fun with your coverage and bragging wars it is all you have in t1 with current meta.I feel sad for players stuck in it’s gameplay.
While the rest of us enjoy THE REAL WvW from tier 2 to 8.

They should just rename t1/t9 to PveWvW and t2-t8 PvpWvW.

Sure ! I like ur real WwW.

https://dviw3bl0enbyw.cloudfront.net/uploads/forum_attachment/file/65824/gw135.jpg

https://dviw3bl0enbyw.cloudfront.net/uploads/forum_attachment/file/66428/gw029.jpg

LMFAO

Lmao looks like T1

Aye many of those that didn’t like the situation in tier 1 just created the same thing in tier 7 it’s ok when the shoes on the other foot isn’t it? yeah ROS will at least move out but 2 other servers gotta suffer like SFR and Deso until then.

AC’s are working fine the only people suffering the most are large pug and guild groups cuz your all to used to stacking on top of each other.

Maybe now you will spread out viz didn’t tonight and paid heavily for it but despite that in about 10 mins of AC directly on top of the zerg i still only got 5-6 bags most shots being blocked or out healed but it split the group or forced them to bugger off so in effect id say AC’s are not as OP as people make them out to be.