Guild Wars 2

Why is it that a larger than average guild raid such as VOTF should find themselves at the head of this debate?

Now im not intentionally trying to be rude here but it’s obvious this patch has kittened up the fun you have in your raid, but was this not the purpose of the AC buff to assist smaller forces with fighting against larger groups?

It’s a catch 22 people complain about zergs everywhere but any fix will of course then change reward and fun for those in large guild raids also, but what about those who want fun although they can’t avoid facing a large guild raid?

What can we do? Anet gets it’s balls chewed no matter what it does because every change will always effect someone in a way they don’t like it.

Nerf heart seeker and stealth no one will play thief

Nerf rewards or dampen down effectiveness of server zergs like Vizunah in an attempt to break them up then the French go berzerk along with many of the large guilds in the game also.

We will never have any balance only constant compromise that leaves one group happy and another upset.

personally im running x6 ruin of the Necromancer for the added fear duration.

Rabid as Necro already has a high base value of HP between 18-19K at level 80 without gear so toughness and condition damage are your friend precision may seem pointless without power however in a condition build where some traits rely on a crit for extra bleeds etc and on say sigil of earth it speaks for itself.

Dawdler.8521:

Piken Square remain totally packed since the free transfers came upon us, when Anet is all their wisdom decided that the highest tier PvE medium server with dominating WvW players and guilds did indeed desperately need more people joining the server to make it high and balance it with other servers. Anet knows why people migrate to other servers and it must be to balance PvE population for sure, it has nothing to do with WvW does it?!

Sigh…

Piken wasn’t the highest tier medium server you have SFR with a stronger population of WvW compared to it’s PVE in tier 1 all though winning consistently for a few weeks also found itself at the end of free transfers crippled the whole server and now they want to drop down to tier 2 but your right it seems wasn’t a decision to improve WvW but to strengthen PVE numbers.

qweman.5298:

ibra.2317:

any hints !?

try to join any of guilds in Piken, and you will enter maps with priority

That won’t help if there are queues even guild members get caught the only solution is to attempt to beat the queue by logging in just before prime time hits full swing just before 7pm CET or 6pm if your in the UK.

Aneu.1748:

With the ability to put 12 arrowcarts on a single door, adding poison to an arrowcart resulting in 33% less healing, increasing arrowcarts damage by 80%, with arrowcarts being so easily built with such small amount of supply required and increasing the time within which bleed stays on you from a cart… how do you think this is a positive addition to WvW?

I cant even … Im utterly dumbfounded at why someone at arenanet would think this is a good idea…

referring to your screenshot now you better hope all those sites can be completed now within 2 mins or they will be destroyed no more supply runs to finish build sites.
not to mention what are the chances of having 14 players spec’d for arrow cart upgrade in an average encounter?

I agree with the op Viz more than likely spent their points on guard damage to help with their PVE/door action hehe

thiagoperne.7340:

Wrex.6798:

As the title says, give us a tier reset so we can fight some new opponents!! This constant facerub is getting boring fast at the moment and is very detrimental to the game.

//Wrex

It’s not Anet’s fault that many guilds from your server decided to transfer and you are getting facerub now. I don’t think reset tiers is the solution, not at all.

Anyway, once you drop tier you will be facing new and respective opponents due to your server population that you have now. WvW ranking system perfectly working.

Ah but it is ArenaNet that chose to allow free transfers to medium population servers that some how also included the winning server in tier 1 when the tier was stable and more balanced don’t think anyone in SFR found the result funny in the slightest.

This is a welcomed change the true WvW players wanted it removed altogether and now there’s a compromise.

So where’s this 5th DS skill? i was under the impression it would come with this patch now we got to wait till the next round of class balancing.

Although i may make small digs at viz for blobbing i wont openly go as far as blame them for the whole mess. It is ArenaNet that have developed WvW to be persistent 24/7 and Viz have beaten every one else to the post in representing the largest portion of coverage.

Remember Blacktide with the old Xaoc and commander Max and Russian off peak coverage? there was much kitten about the Russians night capping everything back then.

The difference between us and Viz is the fact Viz has a dedicated night and daytime force that matches their prime time, On the other hand our servers routinely have fixed guild raid times that when finished 99% of the time result in an empty bl.

Last night was a good example on Deso bl we where getting to the point where we where actually making good ground then our 2nd commander vanishes off the map taking his raid to another bl or called it for the evening leaving us with only one force that couldn’t be at two places at once and everything fell apart.

There’s no handover or wind down on bl’s too many times it’s simply a case of leading guilds on a map just vanishing into thin air in the heat of battle, this is the problem us International servers suffer really bad from, were guild raid dependent when there isn’t one on a bl or they log off for the night there is no leadership or coordination for friendlies who stick around.

Viz’s organization appears to not be guild raid dependent they prosper on harnessing the friendlies as pug commanders and can allocate commanders to cover shifts to gather pugs from around the bl’s you see no matter what time of the day there is never a shortage of friendlies scattered around the maps what there is a shortage of is people to shepherd them up and into a map hopping force.

Viz blobbed all over Deso bl tonight not once did they break up apart from the few camp flippers of 2-3.

To a fellow Necro from Viz or SFR can’t remember lol at Gods you can’t use your minions against me running away and failing to attack by the time id caught up with you id killed every single one of them trailing behind you and you thought the centaur camp would help bad move, if your going to run away at least send your minions at me as a distraction as they where in your case as effective as a wet paper bag.

We too all helped Anet proposed a points reset everyone got up in arms and forced them to shelve it.

Yes it was only a band aid and eventually we would have ended back at square 1 but it took 8 months to accumulate to this point and more than likely the same time period to return by then hopefully a fix to the glicko system would have been found.

Reset raid on Deso Bl AFTL lead the push to defend our homeland 1 AFTL commander leading the friendlies the other leading the guild raid awesome input from everyone and some of the best fun in a while fighting viz fire with fire.

http://youtu.be/dNoQapE_hoQ

Hold on how big is a zerg? because if were talking about 40+ my original post is relevant if were talking less then like others say your group needs a balance.

(its been a long time since i herd of a zerg in tier 1 we have Blobs much bigger lol)

Support orientated builds with classes tend to take PVT as their damage output takes a back seat to their need to stay alive long enough to support others.

If your build is damage orientated but you require more survival then you can mix stats going full with any gear is highly discouraged as with putting all your eggs in one basket with offence you have compromised any defense outside of skills or utilities.

My guardian is full PVT with Knight jewelry he doesn’t need to kill fast but merely survive long enough to support allies. On the other hand my Necro is full precision toughness and condition damage im condition spec so power is not needed but some of my traits proc of crit like my guardian hence precision and my base health is quite high so don’t need vitality but the guardian does due to low base health compared to warrior.

My best advise is to look into what you really want from your class mix and match stats to achieve those goals do you require crit chance well aim to hit the 50% mark then slot the remaining slots with more defensive stats like toughness and vitality etc, really there is no cookie cutter way to gear your character you gear it to do the job you want it to do.

If your actually part of a zerg or blob gear stats are irrelevant hence you will find many up leveled characters and poorly geared lvl 80’s at the heart of the zerg it’s whole function is merely to flood opponents with players to win an encounter so to that end tbh the size of the zerg outweighs gear stat choice.

Lukemia.2581:

does anyone really not complain about necro wells? to break a zerg up. I see a zerg coming at me I throw down all of my glamour (feedback, null field, and viel) for every enemy that enters the field gains 2 stacks of confusion. For every person that leaves it they gain 2 stacks of confusion (to each glamour field). IF everything is perfect Most of the group has 6 stacks of confusion, some may have more depending if they went back in my fields and came back out.

The two only offensive wells are tick based and the damage can be limited by stepping out and going around the red circles like most forms of AOE. The answer to your question is in your very own statement you can apply and stack confusion both on entering and leaving the only way to counter is to simply not attack anything for it’s duration people can fight through the initial tick of wells, when it comes to confusion your well advised to not even bother especially if your a glass cannon.

Osicat.4139:

Hi

As wvwvw turning atm organised groups lost a strong tool to be effective versus number 1 spamming blobs. I understand it felt unfair that one class would be the only to carry a tool to counter enemy zergs. Even if its sad to lost several viable and fun build and see two 1 h weps become unviable I have some understanding of the other classes, frustration.

Still as it looks now the mindless blobbing gets close to impossible to counter unless you have a simmilar blob of nr 1 spammers.

To keep wvwvw interesting its time to remove the AOE cap, this would force guilds to use more advanced tactics, spread the attacking force over a wider field and use a front force and a defending tail instead of one big pile. A smaler force would be able to keep a larger in chocke points ala 300 style and the terrain would have bigger impact.

It would also be a reason to use long distance aoe forces and keep em guarded in the back or on high ground versus big enemy teams.

/Osicat

Edited some spelling, sorry english not first langauge.

As simple as it sounds it will only bring additional problems to remove the cap unless Aoe damage takes a nerf otherwise ranged glass cannon and ranged aoe condition classes and builds will over dominate.

The next time you encounter this Mesmer tell him where to shove that crutch he speaks of lol.

I sense a Superiority complex from this mesmer rank 40+ in relation to having his kitten handed to him by a rank 19 necro, obviously he forgets his own class has not a single but a set of crutches Confusion and clones.

Ignore him he is kitten that his great build didn’t have a counter for yours simple as that just live in the glory you wiped his kitten m8.

Good Job every Deso on home bl tonight, AFTL assigned a second commander to lead friendlies whilst the other lead the guild raid it worked out well everyone followed our lead and by the tone on map chat most people enjoyed themselves.

Thank you all for a great night even SFR and Viz

(Im sure videos of the evening will follow at some point)

Cottage Pie.6215:

Wemil.7052:

good job desolation alliance you kicked guilds because they didn’t agree with you? I would never kick a player for that kind of reason:)

what is this?

yeah im asking the same question, nobody kicked anyone out if Wemil your to imply VOTF’s departure is in direct relation to a conflict of interest within Deso Alliance would that then apply to all the big names who departed SFR?

No Free transfers screwed your server over and that has had a knock on effect not just for you but for the rest of us in tier 1 many guilds came to test themselves against skilled opponents which many have departed leaving this match stale.

When it comes to Viz and many other servers it’s the Pugs that form the bulk of the blobs and the reality is neither us or commanders can stop or at least convince every one of them not to play the way they want to if they have fun in a blob no one elses point of view is valid no matter how loud you make it.

Now since WvW currently has no limits regarding rewarding people in WvW no matter how large their group size is there is no form of incentive to play any way different than the status quo it is simply an issue of morals do i A: run in a smaller group that may have less skill and die against equal numbers limiting my personal gain from WvW? or B: tag with a large group where sheer numbers can possibly counter my lack of skill or others and ensure i make a decent profit and WXP gain during my game time?.

The moral answer would be to choose A and learn from your experience and adapt but that is a personal choice, in a world of virtual people for many this virtue doesn’t apply you don’t have to give a kitten what others think and only what is best for you just like hackers many selfish people will cut corners wherever they can find them.

The only way such people stop is when their fun is consistently broken to the point they have to change the way they play and as habits are hard to break this sometimes mean they may decide to quit playing instead of adapting to another less efficient way of getting their kicks in the game that their use to this is why people rage quit when their OP class in a game gets nerfed etc.

Xispeo.1706:

edit : I guess when you will drop you guys will start to say that T1 is nothing, that T2 is the only true T1 match, and so on. Keep that way guys, makes me laugh.

Iv been Tier 1 with BT down to piken Square in tier 4 due to an inability to recruit new members for my small guild at the time right through and up to tier 2 with a new guild then back to tier 1 with Deso.

You will actually find for those who have been in tier 1 and tier 8 there is indeed a stigma attached to both, other tiers in the middle can be much more balanced as opponents change frequently enough to pose a fresh challenge and have to adapt.

Tier 1 just like tier 8 are very prone to stagnating there is only one option available to servers in both tiers for tier 8 up and for tier 1 down and not both. So why then do many servers in tier 1 not tank to middle tiers? well simple their populations are too large to compete in mid tiers without overthrowing the balance and ruining the game for everyone else tier 2 is the only valid option.

Tier 2 Viz has never visited since making it’s way to tier 1 so will never understand its not a loss but an alternative option from the status quo in tier 1 and very much balanced population wise with the average tier 1 server the opponents are no easier to fight but are more equally matched with close point gains and no outright dominating force.

In tier 1 you can’t move along the over dominating force you merely have to either match it or exceed it no one International server has managed this for long enough without burning out because of the accumulated points off the back of your servers success since launch required to bring you down the lead gap is too large for
a few months focus what you lose from our prime time you can easily make up off peak as you do with your coverage.

The only real change to level the field due to this issue was the promised reset that would have wound us all down to an equal playing field to start fresh but it was scrapped for whatever reasons that could have breathed fresh air and hope for everyone especialy tier 1 and tier 8.

OP is right the best method of currently gaining WXP is moving with a blob and with this knowledge more people are forming blobs 30 people tag 1-5 players they all get same WXP reward regardless even commanders are starting to switch their tags off to shake of those that are not putting the effort in but merely leaching WXP off others.

We need a new mechanic for distributing who earns WXP in these situations scaling down player tagging and kill reward in multiple tagging situations in large scale combat could help to break up blobs into smaller groups that are rewarded for doing so rather than rewarded for holding hands and lagging the map out, two birds with the one stone.

good job very amusing

Mighty Ice Arrow.9268:

Roll Ranger.
Kill them all.
Mate I can’t care less about your problems, you are worried with 1v1 in WWW, I hope you arn’t in SFR, if you are, get back to PvP as soon as you can.

Go back to our matchup thread and stay out of this thread if you don’t have anything constructive to say don’t say it at all.

Nowhere in WvW is 1v1 avoidable unless you stick to a blob like glue wait till everyone wipes and respawn with the blob, there are times you may have to respawn and have to make it alone to regroup with your raid and run the gauntlet of enemy thieves on the way offering them a welcomed distraction from their routine slaughtering of Dolyaks and sentries.

Leorcyn.1063:

Empyre.2531:

We were trying to get GvGs going. Every day of the week. (= A)

Seems to me you were not trying hard enough, cause you didn’t GvG everyday of the week, as far as I know.
Maybe developping a tool would have been a good thing to help organize GvGs ?
Of course, it is less of an ego-boost to develop a tool than to boast on the forums “the mighty RG guild will allow you peasants to fight against the lord, under our conditions, when we see fit”.

@Axle : tbh, most of the “national server players” thought the european servers would be stronger, because they have a larger pool for recruitment, have access to more coverage, etc …
The leaderboards still show two EU servers and only 1 national server in T1, so it is not that unbalanced.
And I don’t think France, in particular, revolves around nationalism to get the server together. It is a very fine line to play on the nationalistic feeling of people here in France, and although I’m sure it would work perfectly in the UK, it’s not the way to do it here. From what I heard, nationalism isn’t Germany’s cup of tea either.

Cultural divide and language barriers are difficult factors to get around with EU servers many times misinterpretation leads to unintentional drama that drives a wedge in communities.

Our populations are hard to stabilize faces come and go so regularly it is very difficult to maintain any organisation in the long term many non English speaking players may find it very difficult to coordinate with an EU server that primarily uses English to communicate and are more inclined to move around than say in a national server.

It’s not about recruitment but retention that is playing a big part of building and maintaining communities it is all good in saying getting more players is fine but when that involves the whole process possibly breaking down any organisation formerly in place where guilds and players that had formed bonds together and honed coordination amongst themselves in a routine and rather than building momentum the server stalls or falls as a result of that routine breaking down with guilds & players departing and being replaced with new the process must begin again.

International servers have a much harder time of it than you may think we’re constantly building and rebuilding every few months were never quite sure if the same population fighting this week will be the same population next week everything is in constant flux so were forced to live for the moment and the individual fights rather than points and this may too only add to our problems as it creates an unwillingness to hang around when things don’t go well.

Maybe im right maybe im wrong i can’t truly claim to speak for everyone but personally i feel National servers are stronger as a community and much easier to organise just through personal experience. Despite this i do enjoy having been around people of mixed nationality as iv met many new friends even if at times were not on the same wave length or understand each other all the time.

There will not be a day that an international server will stay strong. The EU with so many cultures and languages is a confusing place communities hang on thin ice where a simple misinterpretation can become an insult and it fractures.

The problem is there is no glue that binds international servers together our communities are forever a half baked concept with so many new faces switching for old etc there is simply no loyalty that can hold a community intact long enough to organise into a strong persistent force every time the bulk of the community has a make over by an influx or departure it’s back to square one in rebuilding for the issue to repeat itself a few months down the line.

National servers are naturally stronger as a community they can call upon their nationalism to glue them together to leave or fail could be seen to turn your back on your own country, never underestimate the strength of a server united under one flag.

If there was an official UK server you would bet your kitten the majority of the UK would take up root on it and establish a core community that would remain fixed in place because it gives you pride in representing not just your server but your country. But we don’t and just like other nationalities were fragmented and split to the four winds and mercenaries for whatever server takes our fancy.

Due to this lack of common ground both through language and culture for example UK players and other nationalities cannot do a Viva le France like Troma or a Winston Churchill “we shall fight them in the fields” because it simply doesn’t reach out to the hearts of the community as a whole. International servers lack pride sadly the truth is to many populating them the server means nothing it’s just a name and if you’re unhappy with your current match or server performance rather than take some time out it’s too easy to swap it for another name.

National servers like Viz don’t behave the same way as us much of their population stays intact and merely goes inactive only to be reactivated by a rousing speech etc from time to time when there community is at it’s lowest to raise morale their population doesn’t repeatedly hop around multiple servers with no fixed abode looking for the best fights, or a better gaming experience Vizunah may not have the best skilled players or may not play the way many expect them to but they know how to keep a community together to much our envy, they take the rough with the smooth and i give them respect for that.

Good job Deso on Viz bl with outmanned buff you fought and defended well… Hills flipped a few times to SFR with their sneaky mesmer who we eventually caught and executed not once but twice leaving neither Viz or SFR to take Hills alone.

Viz got it in the end but by sheer luck that our small defensive force was over stretched with fighting SFR who quite surprisingly despite their numbers jumped ship after viz showed up you kittening cowards lol

Viz your guys are getting lazy twice we came to Cragtop first time we took it undefended second time the blob came to it’s aid and both times no defensive siege tut-tut. I must say tonight being outmanned wasn’t all so bad it didn’t set us back too much and with no repair made a good profit for once heheh.

Thank your lucky stars siege griefing and spying is your only problem Tier 1 EU had a fair share of DOS attacks on community and guild TS shutting them down etc lol

Mighty Ice Arrow.9268:

OK. I think you are sincere you deserve an explanation. Please take in consideration that I play 98% of my time in EB, where it’s far more easy (due the configuration of the map) to analyze this situations.

When we got back to T1, we concentrate all our attentions in VS attacking only them, and paying no attention to Deso map (I don’t agree with this strategy, but I was main stream, and I can’t do anything about it).

Let me describe watt was happened wen for instance we attack a T3 VS tower, we already know that we are going to suffer one attack from Deso in one of our T3 towers, now you say “Well played Deso mates!”. Wrong!!!

Why it’s not well played? Because if we don’t have forces to defend our tower, we leave the attack and come to defend (we can’t sacrifice potential points for a T3 that we already have).

Watt Deso should do was to attack another VS T3 structure, and make them split, or abandon one of them.

Now you are thinking that I’m giving you lessons. I’m not. Because wen VS attack one of our T3, Deso many times as attacked other of our T3. In conclusion, Deso know how to play, but don’t do it all the time.

The situation with SM was ridiculous to, there was one day were we killed more than 24 trebs in overlook, and maybe 6 in Anza.

This is not coming from a casual player, but from a guy that spent many hours in EB.

You’re coming from the perspective of an EB player m8 that whole map is built around converging all 3 servers against each other on one map and between there and home bl is the usual haunts of many a random that most often outnumber the organised guild raids tbh i half expect EB to be a cluster kitten as many do there what they wish.

Home bl’s are a different kettle of fish designed to attract the attention of the opposing servers against the defenders they have their citadel and an advantage and invaders have their spawn camps in each corner on the other side, im sure we all go there for the common goal of putting pressure on the defenders.

However in comparison to your issue in EB we have SFR groups avoiding Viz on viz bl and fighting us instead the only sizable force on the map to push them leaving Viz the ultimate winner in the long term. i know we’re competing against each other but think of the term “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” There is no need for alliances just smart thinking in certain situations, if you go to the enemies bl to pressure them is instead pressuring the other invader when you can’t take viz alone such a wise decision nobody wins but the defender.

The point of my message is everyone does it we all blob we all seem to double focus even if it’s not a wise decision but we’re all human except viz robots lol and can make some really bad judgment calls not to mention the commander is one person the blob of pugs are many with their own individual mind and will in the end do whatever they want to, any half respected guild will kick those who do not follow orders but for the randoms there is no solution, " you can bring a horse to water but you can’t make it drink".

Mighty Ice Arrow.9268:

Axle.5182:

Our bl is often a mess and outmanned before 6pm gmt unless one of the larger guilds like VOTF etc are present to hold the randoms who frequently hang out there together, besides that there never really is a moment in the evening i can say deso bl is not overwhelmed by iether SFR and Viz who take it in turns or all at the same time to keep the pressure on.

Sometimes i don’t even have room to fart bouncing back and forth like a jack in the box i expect many deso feel the same on home bl the other bl’s i can’t comment on so i wont.

Ok you want to find more people from Deso. Just go to EB, and if VS as SM build a treb to hit them, just because your friends only build trebs wen SFR as it. Then join your friends attacking SFR, the number1 EU server.

We are not the number 1 EU server anymore? So the previous excuse that Deso was attacking us just because we are the number 1 isn’t true?

PS: I miss the days when Deso are not allowed to have trebs against us in EB, because they will be shortly destroyed.

Ok you’re falsely distinguishing between opportunity and focus, i was on viz bl tonight and do you know what? every time we left hills with scouts in the safe knowledge SFR where outmanned and no threat, you’re all back into the bl again and banging down south gate no longer outmanned whilst were engaged with Viz, we fight you off and you go outmanned again this repeated itself 3-4 times during the evening.

Not to mention avoiding any conflict with the Viz blob and letting us handle it in fact you joined in a few times to attack us not to mention ninja hills helping Viz, double standards or taking opportunities?

We focused Viz on their bl their the new no 1 and if you SFR guys want to come in and pick fights with us instead of viz and get in our way you’re asking for trouble, i’l take the moral ground here and say fair play you took the opportunity but it doesn’t matter what i think does it? you cannot get down off your high horse to accept opportunity plays a big part of any servers actions.

Tbh the reality of it all is nothing said here will ever result in change, we come on here to either praise or share our dislike to something and for once im going to agree with the Viz people in saying nobody cares what we think. For many including myself this thread has merely become an outlet for anger and insult where people just switch off as a result were all talking to a brick wall if we think we can make a difference.

Jmikeydarby.3105:

Vizunah doing what they do best. Using stupid amounts of siege early in the morning.

As a fellow Deso player i personally can’t slam Viz for doing this for some reason whoever was on Deso during prime time failed to build defensive siege to counter this sort of thing or people in general failed to refresh them.

I hate to say this but i now believe we have 1v1v1 for a reason to facilitate the 3rd party choosing temp sides if need be and preventing any one server from completely dominating.

It’s obvious International servers find it difficult keeping loyalty and consistency of coverage whilst everyone one of us has so much freedom and choices to move servers back and forth compared to regional servers the EU has 2 international servers in tier 1 whilst the french only have 1 they will always find it easier to maintain coverage in this situation as theres only 1 choice for french speaking players who want to play with other french without a language barrier in tier 1.

This would explain why Viz is filled to the rafters with Pugs because they are the single most option for bandwagon players from the french community and Servers like Sfr and Deso’s populations are mixed and in constant flux and hard to maintain in the long term, guilds and players come and go week in week out for many reasons like language barrier,more attractive servers or tier 1 is unbearable due to balance or lag etc we just have too many choices available and the slightest upset sends people packing to the next best thing.

Shifty.3412:

Axle.5182:

Im not aware of guilds leaving Deso recently, think most are burned out from extended hours and out of hours raids trying to better use what little coverage we have.

Time to have a think about what guilds you have left then.. :P

Come on then Shifty enlighten me?

Can’t do anything about it in the UK officially back to work/school was yesterday no more holidays for us whilst the french are on holiday.

Im not aware of guilds leaving Deso recently, think most are burned out from extended hours and out of hours raids trying to better use what little coverage we have.

Wow AFTL is getting such notoriety that Viz resort to calling in the blob from garrison to kill 7-8 of us we feel honored it requires such numbers to halt our advances lol

Who says we bandwagoned for an easier life in tier 1?. Hardly easy doing this night in night out compared to tier 3 but hey we still keep turning up anyway, gotta get our hands bloody despite the odds even if it’s our own blood

Deso outmanned in every bl but EB the only bl with people and a single commander everywhere else is Green, thank you for the opportunity for a potentially great night lost for choice at what to take back

Sird.4536:

Also I will like to add that with the removal of culling why do you run with commander tags. There is no need to if your running a guild raid.

Problem as iv mentioned before is the random to guild raid ratio, there just is too many random players in WvW compared to decent sized guild raids meaning that commanders under strength or with guild members in queue often have to tag up to make up manpower but are unable to control the influx it may possibly generate.

Its a catch 22 have no tag and randoms who out number the guild raids either can’t or wont coordinate off their own initiative and anything beneficial for the server other than kill a few dolyaks and farm sentries or RP/AFK in spawn.

graverr.6473:

Also bow to AFTL that before you guys joined the bl tried to take things in their own hands only,thing that is rarely seen in t1 anymore.We were not that many ourselves but having probably other 20 friendlies along might have resulted in "miniblobing"you.Yeah i said miniblob since i miss a word for the concept of only half a blob atm :p

Our guys are just crazy my logical thought process often questions how our 15 guys can attempt to take something like a well defended hills in tier 1 then i remember success is based on our intentions and in most cases it’s to be a pain in the kitten to the other servers.

I do not think any commander supports blobbing but are merely a victim of their own success if they do well many want to get in on the action and tend to home into the commander with the biggest force that may guarantee that so in my eyes it’s the large ratio of randoms to regular guild raiders who are a large part of the problem

Commanders of large guilds are now turning their tags off in a hope it will help break up the blobs and spread the manpower out more with other commanders with smaller raids. does it work? in some sense yes but defeats the whole purpose of owning a tag.

Our bl is often a mess and outmanned before 6pm gmt unless one of the larger guilds like VOTF etc are present to hold the randoms who frequently hang out there together, besides that there never really is a moment in the evening i can say deso bl is not overwhelmed by iether SFR and Viz who take it in turns or all at the same time to keep the pressure on.

Sometimes i don’t even have room to fart bouncing back and forth like a jack in the box i expect many deso feel the same on home bl the other bl’s i can’t comment on so i wont.

omphin.1752:

Heres the truth.

Desolation: a PVX server with a strong presence in WvW. Stable an stubborn like a donkey never gives up and much of the time plays for fun. Often having zero queue times during the day for WvW with around 5 and sometimes 10 mins queue at prime time.

Vizunah Square: WvW server with excellent recruitment. You think you beat them and they bounce back. Thier structure with pugs is what keeps them at the top. Fantastic community that mixes and works together, they have perfected the points game and tactics for winning.

Seafarers Rest: WvW Server which gained alot of organised guilds and dominated first place in tier 1. Done over by Anet allowing free transfers to the winning T1 server which made it near impossible for this server to play effectively since it was built on guilds and not pugs. Queue times became unbearable for some guilds and they left. SFR will rebuild.

Any trolls that can argue with this?

Nope seems it’s a very rational sum up of EU tier 1 servers although id add that deso would be playing possibly too much for fun because we haven’t generated enough awareness or interest in scoring points by flipping and holding things for the tick and getting left behind by our opponents.

Of course it’s going to be much tougher fighting a server alone in a 3 way environment, if SFR in it’s previous state didn’t have Deso bl and Deso forces in EB you too might struggle to keep up with Viz flooding you with pugs.

WvW has never been about 1v1 the 3 way action helps to spread forces out and prevent concentration of numbers on one map,when there’s a queue on bl’s it’s a case of which side can switch forces around efficiently to exploit situations, and this is something Viz is good at.

graverr.6473:

Axle stop with your delirious rabble please.No one on Piken joined SFR because it was winning and you know the truth better than anyone.We all left piken because the core guilds there didn’t want to fight and wanted to drop to t3-4 while the rest of us wanted to fight and you guys did everything to hold us down.We just decided it was best for everyone to split since we clearly had 2 different goals.All the respect for AFTL and ex homies but from what are you posting seems you are only trying hard to get a spot in the top 5 Deso trolls.

Wich makes me wonder .if you guys really wanted to hold everyone down to get in t3-t4 for less blobs how come you decided to leave Piken anyway just after we split ways and how come you chose the most blobby tier of all?

Wow hold on there don’t get your knickers in a twist i didn’t nor AFTL hold you back we too where unhappy with the situation although we where cautious about leaving as it was a last resort we did consider joining SFR but we decided it was ready made and strong and our efforts would be overshadowed and pointless it wasn’t in our best interests to follow you guys.

If you remember correctly i was one of those voices against manipulating the match ups and said Piken should stop trying to control things and let the server settle where it’s performance takes it. Im in tier 1 because i prefer to be somewhere where performance defines placement and not the personal opinions of a few community members who do not favor adapting their ways or fighting out of their comfort zone.

In the end of the day call me a Troll Graverr but who is it that keeps coming on here with delirious rabble about Deso/Viz Alliances etc.

You can take it as an insult if you wish however you and i both know you cannot claim 5 weeks at the top purely on your old crew, we AFTL have held our raid consistently on Deso bl since we joined and in that time we can see the impact the presence of these guilds have in affording excellent coverage if you truly held the same population coverage as Piken you would would be severely out capped outside of prime time, we all know we cannot compete with Viz purely on prime time gains.

sIN provided an overlap from prime time to late night early morning on piken and im guessing they do the same on SFR, ECL also would extend their hours, BOON and RG hold mostly full prime time Raids up until midnight with a few extending beyond that in the pug groups.

You have dropped because some of these guilds have left with all this free transfer kitten leaving gaps and forcing you to spread your remaining forces out where before you could equally concentrate forces you see unlike pugs guild raids are self sufficient you point them to a bl and they get on with things and don’t need direction.

Do not deny the influx of a few hundred organised guild members opposed to the same number of random pugs cannot send your success soaring because if it happened tomorrow to Deso id say the same thing to them or anyone for that matter.

We joined Deso whilst it was in tier 1 not because it was winning we where in disagreement like many of the guilds that joined SFR with the Piken community in regards to pushing the server to it’s potential we fought JS and SFR blobs for a few weeks the whole experience had a negative impact on many of the Piken community they didn’t like the play style of blobbing and wanted to fall back to equal fights, the loss of many big raids to our opponent SFR was a sickening blow to morale.

We slipped down to tier 3 and Afterlife found our experience in tier 2 against JS and SFR had hardened us to a point where fighting Gandara groups etc felt too easy we sought a community that can share our views and give us a challenge to develop as a guild and not join our former allies on the current SFR at the time.

Mortix.9725:

Axle.5182:

Mortix.9725:

Papawan.1952:

SFR couldn’t win without PRX back then, and couldn’t win without bandwagon guilds now. Your server is the type to collapse if you don’t have a chance of winning.

RUIN is insignificant history – Deso climbed back to T1 without them and have stayed here consistently.

you wanna talk about bandwagoning after votf,gh,afterlife and the others joined your server? don’t feel atleast bit stupid?
your server will be remembered as THE server who got most silver and bronze medals,as long as VZ is in T1 you will never ever win,you do understand that?
you can take some comfort in SFR being bellow you atm ,but our 8 gold medals is something you can only dream about. even if we drop to T8 lol (which will never happen no matter how much you wish for it )

That comment is irrelevant those that hopped onto SFR in one week where 4 full 20-30+ man raids the most competitive guilds of Piken square and more than capable of drastically turning the tide of battle compared to one 15 man raid in the same week to deso Afterlife.

thanks for the praise,i’m sure people from VOTF,GH,Afterlife and The Unnamed appreciate you saying they aren’t as good as RG,ECL,sIN and BOON.

You forget i am from Afterlife and fought alongside RG,ECL,sIN and BOON on Piken and apart from RG with their many travels we all sort of take pride in the fighting spirit we evolved from being the RP underdogs on Piken.

It is not a case of saying who is better im talking about a sheer numbers influx in a short time the four guilds to SFR where all large guild raids that coordinated a move together an influx of a few hundred organised players and not pugs onto one server within a few days to fight prime time will have a very drastic impact, in effect they can populate and hold entire bl all on their own.

Mortix.9725:

Papawan.1952:

SFR couldn’t win without PRX back then, and couldn’t win without bandwagon guilds now. Your server is the type to collapse if you don’t have a chance of winning.

RUIN is insignificant history – Deso climbed back to T1 without them and have stayed here consistently.

you wanna talk about bandwagoning after votf,gh,afterlife and the others joined your server? don’t feel atleast bit stupid?
your server will be remembered as THE server who got most silver and bronze medals,as long as VZ is in T1 you will never ever win,you do understand that?
you can take some comfort in SFR being bellow you atm ,but our 8 gold medals is something you can only dream about. even if we drop to T8 lol (which will never happen no matter how much you wish for it )

That comment is hardly comparable those that hopped onto SFR in one week where 4 full 20-30+ man raids the most competitive guilds of Piken square and more than capable of drastically turning the tide of battle on their own compared to one 15 man raid in the same week to deso Afterlife, the proof SFR shot clean out of tier 2 and to the top of tier 1 in a very short time frame, the reason Viz is back is not because they even left more so the piken guilds that have now gone are not there to keep the pressure up and the remainder of SFR no longer blessed with a surplus of large organised guilds to keep viz and deso on the back foot on multiple bl’s.

Cherish your medals but please don’t gloat we all know that any EU servers will always follow the path of Blacktide and enjoy short lived success due to migration and stacking ever changing guilds that dilute the established community causing eventually internal drama etc.