ZD’s im starting to agree much of the frustration is misplaced, your arrival apparently coincided with a drop in SOR’s coverage, connected i cannot prove as i have had reports that SEA coverage was taking a hit before your arrival many of the late SEA players may have found themselves eventually exhausted facing you at the end of their shift and are now less inclined to push themselves on into early EU this may have been the last nail in the coffin for those who believed we where capable of tanking the gap till EU built up numbers to take over.
Truth is with my hand now firmly on my heart not all but much of this negative attention you receive is based on our frustration with ourselves.
I play EU i have no influence on SOR especially across multiple time zones my presence is but a blip on the greater effort that is SOR as a whole IRON hold the influence and respect of the pugs when they are active morale is high.
The only thing i can say is SOR stop relying on others to cover your absence, each and every player regardless is part of a gear train in a transmission within it’s timezone. The map commanders are the drivers the more gears the smoother the ride, if you don’t wan’t to play your forcing the commander to drive in first or worse stuck in reverse. Likewise no commander means a stationary vehicle idling and wasting fuel (time and potential).
As it stands at the moment AFTL with a group of 10-15 not 25+ as some people state appears to be the first EU guild into battle now facing blue maps including our own and BG in numbers waiting for us outside our spawns. I don’t blame them they are bored and if there is a fight to be had during EU they know laying in wait for SOR’s EU to log in is what they must do.
AFTL runs havoc however not recently due to an absence of map commanders and were attempting to prop maps up solo not good as we are getting burned out leaving spawn and returning within 5 mins unable to rally sufficient numbers to break out and setup a defensive position to work the map. Some days we fair better but with SOR there is no consistency throughout the week in coverage and attendance Monday was great for us two blobs SOR and BG fighting over Briar tower on SOS bl next day the complete opposite just a BG blob uncontested with SOR thin on the ground.
With Wrex’s absence IRON appear to be less flexible in providing commanders for maps and the population issue across the maps is keeping them from being able to assist us as they can’t be everywhere at once propping up every 10-15 man group facing greater numbers.
However AFTL’s stance remains the same, sheathing weapons and sitting out WvW is out of the question. Rallian’s you either stand with us or simply get out of the way! blunt i know but if people choose not to fight that is their prerogative not ours.
Why didn’t you run “measly” 3 man groups to counter?
(not meant as combative; but if supply was the name of the game at that hour??)
The leader of the group of 6 people that where doing just that found himself having to tag up and take his group to defend against BG he only got about 10 additional people to follow him, BG had a group of 25-30 + sufficient solo/small roaming parties to contest supply lines. We had to consolidate what we had to defend garry and keep BG off our towers.
UK is EU west starting at 10am server time and we don’t hit full representation until 11am server time (7pm for us) ZD’s being EU east reaches full numbers before we start and only starts to break down as were gaining momentum but tbh recently we have logged in to situations where everything has been flipped and or reinforced and our job is pretty tough with BG having such an advantage.
We simply do not have the capacity to run multiple groups with sufficient numbers to tackle all those objectives, EU for us lately is a dead zone where were struggling to get more than 10 people on some maps to follow a commander whilst out manned.
Proof today on SOR bl we logged into a blue map we gathered about enough to take garry back and only because BG was busy flipping HILLS from SOS we did not have the capacity to simultaneously defend or attack towers whilst keeping our supply lines open from measly 3 man groups from SOS and BG.
Absolutely well done guys this is what should dominate this thread the video clips of awesome fights whilst holding respect for your opponents not the PPT/ stacking QQ.
Your video is truly an inspiration to all of us still fighting on the field and not the forums
In all fairness Bull coming to SOR if they can field similar numbers to at least COIN is a good thing. This will give BG’s larger EU guilds a reason to split up instead of focusing the only single guild IRON that can fight them 1v1.
JQ yes have less EU but they have not relied on EU to win and they don’t require it they are the strongest overall and not in a single time zone. From an EU guild perspective going to JQ would be a horrible experience finding yourself facing not Just SOR’s IRON, AFTL, WIK but also BG’s ZD’s COIN, HB, PLX, EU guilds are not emotionless robots we seek opponents and allies and a sense of community in equal measure.
Hence AFTL came to SOR we are too few to face large organised guild groups we had to ensure that we could maintain our havoc role and not get sucked into having to merge into a blob with the server every day to fight such guilds. With IRON present and COIN supposed to be it’s nemesis on BG we could work as a guild and provide the service we where designed for dealing with our counterparts unfortunately ZD’s dropped in and knocked things out of balance i guess.
There are only two reasons why EU guild would transfer to NA server
1) Stack the server
2) Fight other Eu guilds
IRON you ought to be ashamed of yourself for doing 1) when there wasn’t any reason for 2), and now you flame ZDs because they are transferring for reason 2) ? Talk about pot calling the kettle black.
Fight other EU guilds? What guilds are you talking about? There’s no EU guilds in NA except for IRON.
nope no other EU guild…. except AFTL ohh a HIC (i think thats the name of the other sor eu) and Rage who merged with IRON along with KISS or what about JQ’s EU of Tofu and Soul Reapers and Merc
add to that BULL transferring and possibly others and it creates a very healthy EU population in NA servers
kitten we should stop giving doors the names of EU guilds
Wow don’t drag WIC & AFTL into this individually we only field around 10-15 and we especially AFTL do not hold hands with larger guilds nothing our opponents can’t handle im sure.
Guys don’t take guild tags alone as an indication of server strength, BG has possibly fewer but individually much larger guild groups which often results in now many one sided fights.
IRON for a fact is the only SOR EU guild with a force bigger than 15. Everyone could trash talk them all day in revenge for their forum warriors (who represent themselves not the guild when they do) but for us they are the only guild big enough to stand between our small teams and 2 large forces BG can now muster in ZD’s and the COIN, HB, combined blob.
IRON are not in full shape at the moment their leader and most influential commander Wrex is very ill at the moment and those who are standing in are doing their best, i ask that people be reasonable and take this into account i for one on behalf of AFTL wish her a speedy recovery and return to the fight.
Has BuLL finished transferring yet? Can’t wait to fight them, heh.
Yeah and what about WIC? Has the SoR community scared them off already?
WIC where in EB earlier
That’s great to hear Hope their transfer to SoR goes smoothly… I saw a few BuLL earlier there as well.
WIC seem to have roughly the same numbers as us 10-15 maybe less they did follow us for a while when we where in EB but we where totaly outnumbered with buff i don’t think they enjoyed our kamikaze tactics on tier 3 towers, don’t blame them got a bit tired of it ourselves lol
One guild can’t effect guilds outside of it’s time zone, EU mustered what it could to hold SOR bl and later moved into SOS where we fought BG from mid to late EU on the bottom half of the map hoping SOS would reclaim their garry and portion of the map and give us a 3 way.
It didn’t happen SOS thought it better to attack Bay than reclaim garry and got chased off. Anyway was great fun amongst the zerg wars with BG’s COIN/HB, PLX/PUG zerg getting too focused on Briar, PLX breaking off and bum rushing IRON you pulling back to the ruins to build siege and AFTL diverting to cap lake then portal bombing your siege when you left your rear exposed there was def some enjoyable two way pushes and fights.
Thanks everyone for a great EU prime experience this is what it’s all about nobody hiding in the closet SOR EU maybe consolidating it’s numbers a fair bit but standing together, want more of this
Dat 10 ptt. Maybe Indo should give a speech of something to pull it together..
Maybe you should sell a few guilds and even out the numbers eh?
I’m sorry. Didn’t know SOR lacked coverage during NA prime, because that’s when we way pointed your garrison. Maybe we should send over some bg guilds to teach you guys how to believe again
lol advice from BG?? all that would be is “Put together a warchest and Buy/Hire moar guilds” BG tactics OP
Even if we didn’t do that, if we had known it would have caused so much QQ and tears from SoR, we would definitely have done it before itself.
What’s 1000 Gold when compared to the priceless reactions we have been getting from SoR…
I hope that your season 1 chest makes you feel like you worked ‘hard’ and ‘earned’ it., and maybe the prizes will be worth the price you paid for it :P yours truly
Again, even that will be dwarfed by the satisfaction of having reduced SoR to tears. An added bonus would be causing SoR to implode. That would be the real icing on the cake
And why would you want a T1 server to implode? To have less competition. So I guess you do not care about competition and just want easy win.
Truth is if SOR does indeed implode BG can kiss goodbye to it’s SEA/EU reinforcements just as quickly they are proud and respected guilds they are here to fight players and aint going to tarnish their guilds reputations with boring pve door.
I don’t care what the turn out in SOR is during EU but AFTL raids 5 days a week consistently and will continue to do so either join us or Faugh a Ballagh ( Irish for “clear the way”) iv got 10-15 people not afraid of who or what we face
ZD’s is having the same effect as IRON when they arrived no one will notice small guilds such as us on the field but a 40-60 man group on the other hand well speaks for itself.
I don’t expect many if any new large EU guilds will stay in NA servers past leagues many of them fled because of the effect the league had on them in EU and will return when things settle down after.
For now we might as well enjoy it while it lasts i guess in a few months time we will be back to QQ about SOR stacked EU and whatever gripes we had before etc.
ZD’s will be gone back to SFR by the end of the League when their native home settles down and they can fit back in, SFR did the very same thing as BG which resulted in ZD’s departure in the first place learn from SFR put some control measures in place don’t try and stack time zones or you will find native established guilds will get fed up competing to avoid queues and jump ship.
Saying that ZD’s and Russian guilds do indeed have a timezone edge over the rest of EU guilds their normally well established and had time to work maps by the time we log in placing us immediately on the back foot until we gain numbers. By that time they are wrapping up this was the same back in the EU so i can back up IRON’s claim on that one.
I thought SoR were “in it for the fights” and “don’t care about PPT” but yet IRON keep running away and avoiding ZDs and spend more time on the forums here PVkitten.
You know well that BG were significantly outnumbered during SEA and EU timezones by both SoR and JQ, one single guild from Russia joining BG has changed that, one guild has destroyed all your own EU guilds, one. Not 4 or 5, not even 2 or 3, one new guild has IRON running with their tails between their legs.
How many guilds from Europe have SoR got in the last couple of weeks ? Was it not 2 new EU guilds absorbed into IRON for a start ?
Less QQ on the forums, get yourself in game and fight ZDs, they’ll more than welcome it if it’s fights you want. Unless it’s not and you prefer to keep running away from them and hiding behind the forums and other excuses…
TLDR; Less PVF, more WvW, stop the QQ, BG got one new EU guild, one.
Hold up there some of us have been fighting ZD’s losing ofc due to the numbers difference AFTL had them split between taking the treb and our main force out on cragtop SOR bl or stopping us knocking the NW gate in on garry on Wed unfortunately Thursday is our day off.
However i have noticed since the weekend EU has been under represented i don’t know why but if im supposed to know im sorry but i missed that memo, as a guild were not afraid of ZD’s had far too many run ins with them back on desolation to know we can’t beat them with 10-15 but we can be a pain in the kitten and that is all we expect facing such an opponent.
Just because a profession is popular does not necessarily mean it needs a nerf.
It is a perfect world that everyone should roll a balanced mix of professions each one has a unique play style that may not appeal to everyone.
Warrior is one of the 2 close combat orientated professions that are a must in any organised group in WvW Warrior and Guardian are the main two front line professions with their heavy armor and survivability guardian mechanics are focused much more on support than DPS whilst Warrior has flexibility to cater to many situations and roles.
It is the warriors flexibility that makes it popular many of the other professions hem you into specific builds and play styles i play both a warrior and guardian at lvl 80 in WvW. I command with my guardian and i often have to stick with a support orientated builds in order to stay alive long enough to keep the lead in any fights and provide support to my group. Warrior on the other hand is more forgiving in regards to its higher HP pool that allows me to mix things up a bit and try different roles whilst maintaining a level of survivability. My guardian does not due to a low base HP pool so i can go from 21K HP in support to 15-16K in full DPS whilst with the warrior i can maintain 19K in knights and berserker.
When it comes down to it flexibility and the ease of transition between builds in other professions is what’s lacking for me the Warrior is closer to where it should be than any other profession Anet needs to pick the remaining professions that are lacking up rather than nerf others down.
Ok SOR bl was a mess entering EU time more than likely due to ZD’s presence so AFTL swung into action to provide a distraction and a second attack avenue on other objectives first fell Cragtop then sunny hill first few attempts on garry failed because we lost co-ordination with the commanders as TS went down, but eventually we managed to support the commander trebbing from Cragtop and splitting ZD’s from attacking it and dealing with us ramming the NW gate. We got it then ZD’s seemed to have been pulled away to fight elsewhere and we got almost everything back.
Nice fights we seriously don’t have the numbers to compete with ZD’s but i hope we at least where a pain in the kitten.
Good job everyone in SOR bl to those that stuck with it and kept the pressure up however keep an eye on the bloodlust buff don’t get sucked into a fight without it and handing points out like candy please.
BG switched the goal posts stacking EU above and beyond if they had not have done that i would have agreed JQ would have been an ideal destination but SOR is in a better position of countering them at this stage than JQ.
Wait what? No disrespect, but it was SoR receiving even more EU players and in advance of and during league. It has been clear for quite awhile that SoR had the solid EU numbers advantage. Did ZDs change that all by themselves?
You guys have seriously overestimated our guilds numbers IRON is the single strongest represented guild we have during EU the other two are small havoc 10-15 each, I think there has been more concentration on the number of guild names appearing in the SOR roster than the actual total number these guilds have brought and or fielding. i know every single one of your EU guilds from across the pond an average estimate HIB is a bit larger than AFTL with maybe 20, COIN 25-30 and ZD’s can field about 30-35 possibly now around the same as COIN after the move, i think that’s more than enough to Counter IRON and whatever small groups we have. this ofc doesn’t take into account all the fragmented guildies and random pugs both servers have in groups from different time zones for us they make up the brunt of our bl population though during EU.
I actually enjoy BG having numbers, it just means more bags for us. Been farming them while they have greater numbers and superior blood lust all night, numbers doesn’t equal skill which is shockingly noticeable with BG. PtW also doesn’t require skill… But BG would know nothing about that right?….
These SoR guys are beyond kitten and moving rapidly into prolapsed bowel level of whining.
Actually i think i agree with you lol
When bloodlust came out it made the whole point of bags as a boasting tool became irrelevant. Example you can get as many bags as you want but if the other side gets more points for it’s stomps who really won in reality?
Those who are playing the bloodlust guerilla warfare tactic are the real winners they are amassing more points than many of us are bags and driving the results of this league.
I believe Bull is doing the right thing and scouting servers like we did before moving across and not just taking any one servers word for it. What a server wants and what a guild wants can be two different things you gotta think of the compatibility of your guild with that of the server and guilds your playing alongside.
BG have now had their EU fill wither they agree or not is irrelevant, SOR is now 2nd in EU coverage and JQ last however saying that JQ’s lack of EU hasn’t actually held them back from coming first in rnd 1 as their other time zones have managed to make up for the loss.
The way i now see it any further EU reinforcement to BG is overkill that will get boring quickly any to JQ will result in a combination of a few blow outs vs inferior opponents then a final 3 way where bull would get all of us facing them.
BG switched the goal posts stacking EU above and beyond if they had not have done that i would have agreed JQ would have been an ideal destination but SOR is in a better position of countering them at this stage than JQ.
Regardless im glad the decision is being handled the way i would expect from a professional guild such as Bull they will make the decision themselves based on their own observations and not of any one elses.
That is actually the true situation on SOR all week i have been focused on consolidation on a map whilst BG runs rampant capping and holding blood-lust whilst ignoring our keeps and towers and open field fights.
In reality BG have not been interested in our objectives Blood-lust is their priority as they can then pull back to a heavily reinforced objective such as bay or hills and farm gullible people for points. The proof is in the pudding if they are playing the defensive on a map blood-lust is a must and they will send the zerg to disrupt 5-10 man groups who get in the way and force them to go open field and risk their own troops to the same strategy.
Im not sure where people get these assumptions that SOR has had superior EU numbers from. In the 4-5 weeks iv been here apart from facing SOS,TC and SBI it is BG that has been the most consistently on top Only IRON as an EU guild has the numbers on SOR to make a difference and that’s only one map at a time.
Now even if it was so what would be the problem? as im quite confident in saying JQ and BG dominate other time zones for example from about midnight on there’s a gap in our coverage for a few hours where it’s a two horse race between JQ and BG.
It is not ideal that BG would overestimate SOR’s numbers and desire more and more EU just to counter an imaginary list of SOR EU guilds, you don’t need RK, ZD’s Bull, Coin all guilds that can field good numbers just to counter a 40 man group of IRON and certainly not a 1- 155 man group of AFTL the 2 guilds very rarely even work together on the same map, wouldn’t it have been better if some had of gone to JQ and at least attempted to balance things out?
BG i mean no offence but you guys come across like your are afraid of the monster in the closet that doesn’t exist. the only additional reinforcement SOR has had before the league was two EU Havoc sized teams that don’t individually have the numbers to get noticed much on the maps they play on in comparison to what they face.
I know JQ may have still something to say about it but guys ZD’s was the last guild i expected to move away from it’s native SFR that it has passionately fought a very long time for that server, the EU arms race and leagues have brought many issues to long established and organised guilds getting to play the game as a guild and the way they want to.
There are still guilds out there who would consider moving to NA the only thing holding them back is not knowing what to expect i.e wither they will have opponents to fight and or they can be a noticeable contribution to your community.
For instance if my guild came here only to find itself facing random roamers and paper keeps & towers regularly with no defenders we would be on the next boat home.
Quite the opposite we face HB,COIN, FOO, MERC and now ZD’s and many more both similar numbers and far superior with a blob of random’s in the mix not to mention tier 3 keeps and towers with 10+ AC and trebs inside. If people think EU time on BG, SOR and JQ is pve door you are greatly mistaken everyone fights hard for what they gain during this time.
Don’t even bother you will only go and set off the anti EU protesters again and we won’t hear the end of it for weeks if not months lol
Having ZD’s here can only be a good thing. Good for BG, good for their oppenents.
I understand that fully m8, many of us EU guilds are merely turning to NA just to get a chance to play the game because to be honest we are being pushed out of playing during our prime time due to many hours of Queues on all bl’s within a single 6hr prime time window.
We have come to the top 3 servers not because it’s an easy ride but the pure fact those servers have strong opponents during our sociable hours that we can stomp and get stomped by in equal measure and were not pushing any native guilds out of maps unlike some of the band wagon guilds on some EU servers.
We are trying our darndest to get EU just hard when you don’t have large EU guilds. JQ has SR and Tohu which field less combined than IRON or ZD’s do. This makes it a little harder to find EU guilds for JQ but we are definitely trying.
Was a pity Desolation Vanguard imploded there you could have had a guild able to man 1 and a half bl’s all on their own.
I have a solution to this lack of roamers give us the ability Anet to switch between 2 pre-configured builds and armor sets out of combat at the switch of a button then il happily indulge in some 1v1.
Until then it’s like watching paint dry dueling with my guardian in support build or out dps’d on my warrior.
Not bothered about this league in the slightest, just enjoying competitive action and fights.
True it’s 1 battle in an endless war, once we go back to normal matchups the only thing you have to show for it is a dolyak finisher and some short term bragging rights.
Why do the EU SoR guilds talk so much trash in this thread ? Only amateurs need to belittle and disrespect their opponents. Act like you have been there before or better yet just show a little class.
Who’s talking trash? oh yeah were being provoked by moaning individuals with “EU pve door this EU stacked that”. Those players don’t even likely play during EU if they did they would understand no one is pve dooring anyone during EU in this round.
I ask the same to you what gives a group of players the right to belittle and disrespect their opponents over players from other nationality? Not all servers treat other player from different time zones as second class citizens. no one moans about Asians and they too are not on the same continent as you.
I give respect to those fighting us in the bl’s without question and give credit when it’s due not to those who come onto a forum to QQ about how kitten it is that were playing on an NA server.
Just to reinforce my point how can there be pve door when everyone has queues in EU? there where fragments of BG’s EU guild [COIN] on their bl and likewise fragments of JQ guilds that normally play in force during EU meaning they couldn’t all get in together on one map due to queues.
Just going to say glad SoR added more EU guilds to combat our 10 mans in this timezone! Doors op?
Wait what? this time zone is mostly a zerg fest all around i have yet to see many of these so called 10 man groups you speak of what do you do with them sit them inside tier 3 keeps and towers and man the 10 AC on the gates as scouts then when another 10 man group attacks it call in a rain of arrows or bring in another 30 to stomp?
Stop with this pve door nonsense neither SOR,BG,JQ are short of manpower during EU
Yesterday JQ had a respected defence force inside Bay on BG bl that neither SOR or BG could combat with their own forces till more players came on later and BG had a response time of 5 mins on any objective on that bl with a group of 20+.
Also SoR EU consists of IRON with about 40 on the offence
20/30 AFTL taking another bl or joining with IRON
Then the rallians filling the other two remaining borders with 20 orso
Yeah make that no more than 40 [IRON] who also run commanders for the pug groups and 15-20 [AFTL] who run havoc for the the above and other pug groups on the bl’s and you have the brunt if not all of the EU guilds active on SOR. The entire backbone of SOR EU is made up by Rallians from other time zones who are dedicated players who have chosen to extend their game time by staying later or joining early.
If a server doesn’t make it where they would prefer to be that is their own fault for either setting their goals too high or for falling short. Bottom line servers that make it to where they want to be it doesn’t matter they obviously earned it one way or the other it is no ones right to dictate who should be where.
People don’t listen to the Trolls it’s obviously in their best interests to downplay an opponents server whilst on the other hand placing their own in a good light.
Truth is do your homework meet some of the community and make an informed decision for yourselves
With a blowout match like this week’s, all our fairweather players and pve commanders are out in force and they all want to go to EB for whatever reason. In a normal T1 matchup this would never happen >.>
I know im taking a break this week with my guardian and leading my guild raid with a lvl 30 up-scaled warrior lol
Isn’t this the guy whose app got rejected by IRON so he transferred servers and started having this odd obsession with SOR?
lol iron the guys who run from eu competition to pve door on NA server. who would want to join a guild like that
EU competition please advice me where such competition on par with NA Tier 1 exists? you can’t simply because EU tiers are really messed up Tier 1 servers are horribly imbalanced due to many factors i.e national servers (French, German, Spanish) etc. EU created the Meta of blobbing out of the population/coverage imbalance and is the only place in Gw2 where a rank 2 server will face a rank 15.
See personal attacks in regards to EU transfers to NA don’t really stand unless you know your facts and if so you would understand that more pve door exists in EU due to the existence of a single over stacked prime time than NA where no matter the time of day local to you there are equal opportunities to face opposition.
Regardless you still have the least coverage. JQ literally annihilated SoS. It got to the point where most SoS players didn’t even bother trying to make progress on the map; they just wanted to avoid JQ’s zerg while maintaining a decent cap rate. SoR may be winning, but the margin isn’t anywhere near what JQ did to us. Are you saying that BG is more likely than SoR to beat JQ … ?
You do realise JQ where more than likely trying despite facing an inferior server? when we seen who we where facing this week we where like ok guys just let’s chill and have some fun.
Anyway why is anyone even moaning about the blobs? it’s not like anyone’s on the wrong end of a blow out match this week or is it the fact there isn’t a definitive lead between any server and there is very little room for error so people are outside of their comfort zone?
You should thank your lucky stars you even have matchups such as this i have spent a year being locked in stale matchups where by the end of the weekend the winner was already decided.
Further more guys this is probably the last time such a contested matchup will exist till the end of the league so make the best of it and stop moaning.
The picture of IRON is next to a node, not a tower and you barely see the edge of them. Keep playing the political game and win over IRON so you can actually win with a 2v1, because there is no way you would ever win an even fight.
Well you see that is the point irrelevant to how many there where the pic provided didn’t back the statement up, that would be like taking a picture of 10 people capping the sentry outside vale supply camp and claiming it a blob because the actual blob is inside the camp and not in the picture you know they are there but us looking at a pic don’t see that.
It was cute how you built 3 AC’s as well as having your blob.
The numbers needed to create a “blob” are getting smaller and smaller. Soon running any more than a 5 man will be considered blobbing it up.
In before the calls of 7 man mini blobs everywhere. But in all seriousness guys, stop using blob as a substitute for zerg just because it seems like the cool thing to do. 30 isn’t a blob, any numbers above 50 can be considered a blob – so if you call SoR blob inc and its like 15 guys I’ll give you a slap upside the head if you are on server.
The below image is a blob – the pic of IRON is not one of them
Now there’s a familiar face from the EU DVG from Piken square they field about 50-60+ on average a blob on their own without the randoms
Iv missed SFR and it’s forum warriors couldn’t miss the opportunity to poke some fun and raise a few blood pressures A big hi from across the pond Piken keep up the fight
