Guild Wars 2

Zacchary.6183:

Kudos to OP.

I am putting this thread in my siggy.

Lol thanks man, Honestly I just posted an opinion and some people who will go unnamed, jump on it like a dog in heat.

Personally I don’t like soldier runes for shouts. You should pick up the trait Pure of Voice. Does the same thing as soldier runes but coverts conditions into boons. Also with healing power, it’s great. I stack Clerics all around and man I can say I love it. I run + ~75% boon duration so I have 100% protection up time Mace+shield/scepter+focus. So many blocks. You still deal decent damage to people attacking you. But back to healing. I love it because effects almost everything we do. Run 2 sigils of energy on your weapon sets and spam roll for heals while avoiding damage.

Leo G.4501:

You guys are at this BS again!? It’s like you people have nothing better to do in your lives than whine.

Daecollo.9578:

@Donut.

Don’t say Vague terms like “PvE” Tell me which dungeon this is best at.

Don’t you dare go accusing others of being vague as you could be the definition of the term. You and a lot of others will spout Warriors are the worst. Period. If that isn’t a vague generalization of the profession’s capabilities, I don’t know what is.

No, are YOU at it again? Warrior has 0 builds for tPvP and if your entire group isn’t running DPS builds in PVE then the warrior will flop like a fish out of water. Go ahead. Try running CoF Path 1 with the Glass cannon spec with a Pug group that aren’t speed running. There is No survive-ability. Warriors are great in some pve with but with a lot of circumstances taken into effect.

Zelulose.8695:

This is what I’m talking about. More people complain about mesmer than any-other class and the people who play masmers keep trying the horrible excuse that their class is no good in group fights.

I’d have to say thief gets many more complaints then mesmer on any given day. That being said. Mesmer is doing more then well. I would be so bold as they are the top dog and have been for a while. a Phantasm Mesmer has just Stupid damage output and can burst my bunker guardian down pretty quickly. Why be a bunker anything if something can, Immobolize, add conditions, and do a bunch of damage all in less then a few seconds. Some mesmer builds are EASY mode because all you have to do is sit back and shatter shatter shatter while you kite and teleport away. I don’t think any mesmer can deny that we have it pretty easy.

Callahan.3180:

Many elements went into play on this one, mainly terrain play like usual. Still, some of you wanted to see me vs a mes. Even though he isn’t that great, he got the drop on me major. I still managed to outplay him. HD+full please.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OUYhhVS9RE

Great job man! Looking forward to running with you again hopefully later.

bladie.5084:

WereDragon.6083:

i’m a P/D thief and I can’t kill D/P thieves.

Nobody can kill a D/P thief.

I am D/P and I have been killed. Therefore your statement is flawed

Ralathar.7236:

Bacon Please.8407:

Ralathar.7236:

Bacon Please.8407:

Ralathar.7236:

Bacon Please.8407:

The best way to beat a thief is to play a thief. This is coming from a warrior main and let me tell you, it really works.

I play a thief as well. Their frailty is exaggerated as are their “counters”. The only thing my glass thief fears is binding blades.

Then perhaps it is your playstyle as an engineer and not the the thief. Personally I would of never used turrets against a thief. I would of probably went grenade or bomb kid.

Honestly it doesn’t matter what kit, build, or class I was using. He was at 5% hp with high stacks/durations of multiple conditions, stunned, and immobilized. The only thing I didn’t do is instantly spike him with glass cannon DPS. I wouldn’t advise being glass cannon to counter thieves either.

Again, some fights you won’t win. My warrior can’t kill a mesmer but my thief eats then up. My thief has a hard time killing guardians but on my warrior i destroy them. I’m not saying that an engineer can’t kill a thief. Change your playstyle. What runes are you running, gear, traits etc. perhaps you aren’t setup for 1v1 while the thief is .

So what kills a good thief?

Clearly not what you are running. What traits, gear, runes are you trying to run. Again i would never run turrets against a thief and hope to win, the fact that you got them down to 5% is beyond me. Personally on my engineer I run Elixers with Tool kit and a rifle. The block you get from tool kit can save your butt and it also has a lot of high damaging utilities. With your rifle and tool kit you should be able to keep away/pull thieves to you.

Ralathar.7236:

Bacon Please.8407:

Ralathar.7236:

Bacon Please.8407:

The best way to beat a thief is to play a thief. This is coming from a warrior main and let me tell you, it really works.

I play a thief as well. Their frailty is exaggerated as are their “counters”. The only thing my glass thief fears is binding blades.

Then perhaps it is your playstyle as an engineer and not the the thief. Personally I would of never used turrets against a thief. I would of probably went grenade or bomb kid.

Honestly it doesn’t matter what kit, build, or class I was using. He was at 5% hp with high stacks/durations of multiple conditions, stunned, and immobilized. The only thing I didn’t do is instantly spike him with glass cannon DPS. I wouldn’t advise being glass cannon to counter thieves either.

Again, some fights you won’t win. My warrior can’t kill a mesmer but my thief eats then up. My thief has a hard time killing guardians but on my warrior i destroy them. I’m not saying that an engineer can’t kill a thief. Change your playstyle. What runes are you running, gear, traits etc. perhaps you aren’t setup for 1v1 while the thief is .

Sunflowers.1729:

Bacon Please.8407:

Ralathar.7236:

Bacon Please.8407:

He used his skills wisely just as you did. Congrats, he ran away. you won.

That is a draw just like it is with every other class, and I don’t get my prize money.

I could pull a draw on any class. Especially warrior. After hating on thief from such a long time, it is a lot harder then many other classes. I thought when I first started playing It was gonna be faceroll easy but it is the hardest class i’ve played yet, the only class i haven’t played is ranger. That being said. Some fights you just won’t win. Some fights you can’t win. if you got him down to 5% chances are he had one hit left and used his ohcrap button to escape. So yes, I would say you won.

You just picked the class with the second best escaping ability and say that every class can ‘pull a draw’.

Where’s my Engineer’s 1200 range teleport? Why can’t every class have as good an ‘oh crap’ button as stealth + Shadowstep/Infiltrator’s Arrow?

Bacon Please.8407:

The best way to beat a thief is to play a thief. This is coming from a warrior main and let me tell you, it really works.

I have a Thief. Nobody can catch me, not even another Thief. Stealth lets me literally walk away from every encounter that I don’t want to fight anymore/cannot win.

Engineers and thieves are two entirely different classes. It is like comparing candy to steak. Both can be tasty and have their appealing characteristics and neither are better then the other. I’ve seen an engineer face tank a well coordinated team of players and down two of the 5 before escaping. I Can’t say I’ve seen a thief operate that well other then a few assorted videos here on the forums and ever there it looked like the people that were being killed had no idea what they were doing.

Ralathar.7236:

Bacon Please.8407:

The best way to beat a thief is to play a thief. This is coming from a warrior main and let me tell you, it really works.

I play a thief as well. Their frailty is exaggerated as are their “counters”. The only thing my glass thief fears is binding blades.

Then perhaps it is your playstyle as an engineer and not the the thief. Personally I would of never used turrets against a thief. I would of probably went grenade or bomb kid.

The best way to beat a thief is to play a thief. This is coming from a warrior main and let me tell you, it really works.

Ralathar.7236:

Bacon Please.8407:

He used his skills wisely just as you did. Congrats, he ran away. you won.

That is a draw just like it is with every other class, and I don’t get my prize money.

I could pull a draw on any class. Especially warrior. After hating on thief from such a long time, it is a lot harder then many other classes. I thought when I first started playing It was gonna be faceroll easy but it is the hardest class i’ve played yet, the only class i haven’t played is ranger. That being said. Some fights you just won’t win. Some fights you can’t win. if you got him down to 5% chances are he had one hit left and used his ohcrap button to escape. So yes, I would say you won.

He used his skills wisely just as you did. Congrats, he ran away. you won.

Mix of Val and Knights with zerker trinkets

Callahan.3180:

Lighter.5631:

TheGuy.3568:

Lets point out a few things here. First off war is bad at 1 v x so that’s our situation. WvW is always open to getting jumped by many players. blind isn’t OP but it can be if a class gets enough of it. If you are going to go full melee and roam I would have to suggest Sw/Sh and GS.

As far as what the Op asked (blinded at the worst time). It happens often enough to make it a pain.

let’s point out that warriors are also bad at 1v1.

Not as bad as rangers lol.

not sure if trolling or if …

They are still very obtainable. Obtaining these dyes is not a need to play this game it is simply aesthetic. You can still purchase them while they are on the trading post. So everything seems fine to me.

Latinkuro.9420:

that is one pitiful warrior :S
8k 100b is fail. this is why magic find should be modified to not be a main stat replacement.
karka are easilly solo-able for a properly spec’d zerk warrior
worst of it all is he actually says crit dmg doesnt matter lol.

made me laugh when he said press 2 to win and died, guess you found out it ain’t that easy, in other words you still need to know how to play the class properly and be a decent player.

I’m pretty sure the whole point of the video was a joke.

I agree, loot bags should be placed in the inventory along with chests. -.- missed a steel chest because i jumped down from a keep and it got stuck in mid air and could not loot

Frankly I just couldn’t get over the fact that some pathetic talking plant is this thing im supposed to follow. Should of been destiny’s edge. I would of been happier having the skritt lead us through the campaign

Callahan.3180:

TheGuy.3568:

Lets point out a few things here. First off war is bad at 1 v x so that’s our situation. WvW is always open to getting jumped by many players. blind isn’t OP but it can be if a class gets enough of it. If you are going to go full melee and roam I would have to suggest Sw/Sh and GS.

As far as what the Op asked (blinded at the worst time). It happens often enough to make it a pain.

I’d rather not use a GS. I’m just surprised there’s nothing a warrior gets to counter it. I know swinging once helps, but with a hammer that’s a long swing time.

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Sight_Beyond_Sight

This was in GW1. Why not have something similar for warrior in GW2?

You have a play style similar to my own and a similar build to what I run. I would suggest Isolating one of the uplevels and falling back briefly using your sword to jump away from combat and get back in there when they are trying to get him up. Personally I ran gs/hammer or axe+shield/hammer. The greatsword is great for getting in and out really fast. Best of luck to you, I’ve stopped playing this class pretty much other then CoF and switched to main my thief.

Use a longbow or Rifle. Personally like longbow for fire field + Blast finisher= might. Try to keep him where the protection totem spawns so you can aoe everything down at the same time.

I just hope something changes before Elder Scrolls online comes along otherwise I will go play a warrior in that game.

We aren’t asking for anything ground breaking. Just not to delete our important threads and try to censor us. The mods should be held accountable.

Because a thread is derailed does not make it irrelevant. A better way to handle a flood of irrelevant posts is to simply isolate the posts and remove them, not by removing an entire topic that has potential to grow.

Leo G.4501:

Bacon Please.8407:

Keep deleting our threads about warrior suggestions. Two pretty significant threads have been deleted by mods when all they were talking about were ideas for new skills, traits, and adrenalin usage…

The recent example you outline had zero suggestions for new skills, traits, etc. This thread lacks suggestions for new skills, traits, etc. They both amount to “Why do the Moderators hate me?” and they will be locked.

Both threads were completely about adding new traits. Are you daft? Perhaps you have mistaken the threads I am talking about because they were very clearly ideas of new traits and skills.

Keep deleting our threads about warrior suggestions. Two pretty significant threads have been deleted by mods when all they were talking about were ideas for new skills, traits, and adrenalin usage. However they have been deleted. In another thread

Moderator
“Good afternoon players!
As the thread does not add anything about “Warriors” and it complains about moderating actions, we proceed to close it.
Thanks for understanding!”

So why are you deleting the threads about us trying to better our class. The mods are oppressive and abusive with their power. They very clearly show favorites to other classes

Olba.5376:

Now you’re making the Warrior look like an Ele with longer cooldowns.

Not a fan of the idea.

How is it anything like ele other then it uses f1-f4? It doesn’t give you new skills and only ONE can be activated at a time. It’s not like you can face roll all 4 of them and activate all the bonus. It is different mechanic.

To me the stances being F keys makes more sense. They add more diverse ways to play the warrior while not necessarily overpowering them. Back in guildwars1, I used my warrior the most and often ran stance warrior with gladiator’s stance being the elite. I think this would allow us to open up new builds because we might not so heavily have to rely on greatswords possibly even a tone down of hundred blade base damage. Who knows?

I feel stances should play a huge role for warrior.

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Blackbird.4382:

I think assassin-type classes tends to draw in more of the e-thug individuals than other classes. It’s been that way in virtually every MMO I’ve played. While healers, casters, support, and tank classes typically need each other in more of a team-play dynamic, stealth classes have always been the easiest to “solo” on. So those other classes pull in more “team” oriented people, and assassins or stealth classes pull in more of the anti-social e-badasses.

Now that’s not to say everyone in each group fits this, so don’t get your panties in a wad if you’re not an e-thug but enjoy assassin classes.

Ok, going to test this profanity filter because I don’t know this kitten thing frickin’ works.

FYI, there are professional thieves like Ocean’s 11 or the US Congress; and there are thugs — there’s a lot of very distinct differences between the two archetypes and thugs are not thieves, they’re bullies.

Typically e-thugs rolls warriors, not thieves. Thieves and Assassins in any MMO requires a brain that e-thugs don’t have.

In short, I totally disagree with your observations.

the e-thug reveals himself

Good one. So true, so sad.

You should be fine. Nothing against the rules of lending or giving people gold. However who ever is borrowing the gold should know thakitten is not Anet’s responsibility to get the gold back to them if the deal goes sour.

I used to main warrior up until a few weeks ago. Hundreds of hour, hundreds of gold spent on multiple sets of gear, runes, weapons, sigils. Just rolled a thief and a mesmer. They both outclass my warrior on everything. Will proabably never touch my warrior again until they either revamp it. Thief and Mesmer is where it is at for pvp and wvw.

join the bandwagon

Travlane.5948:

Bacon Please.8407:

Travlane.5948:

Sir Vincent III.1286:

It’s funny that you found Elementalist easier to play than a Warrior or Guardian.

Nevertheless, you are right that you can’t just pick up a Thief and face roll with it but once you master the profession, the profession is perceived to be OP.

There’s no way we can win this.

So basically, we just entrust ourselves to the wisdom of Anet balance team that they will do the right thing and at least hear us out before making a drastic decision.

IMO, the changes on FS/LS is just a bone they throw at the dogs just to stop them from barking for a while.

true…or a deflection from the SB/mug nerf…..20 nerfs in a row with no upside….is bad for thief morale. could be a bone…or a distraction/trade

you just got boon hate, stealth reverted back to 3 seconds, and all your signets reworked. You focus all on the bad

we got stealth reverted in pve only….a nerf that shouldnt have been done in first place hence it going back to “normal”…normal means normal…not a buff :P and everyong got signets reworked…(one of ours is null and void active now assassins signet) so we got boon steal on a slow/weak dmg set which is very nice dont get me wrong but its 2 major major nerfs for 1 good buff. or to be realistic like what 25 nerfs in a row to 1 boon hate buff? :P

ok change stealth back to 4 seconds in pve since you so ungrateful. they didn’t have to change it back, it is a buff. So what if everyone got signets reworked, they could of excluded you.

Travlane.5948:

Sir Vincent III.1286:

It’s funny that you found Elementalist easier to play than a Warrior or Guardian.

Nevertheless, you are right that you can’t just pick up a Thief and face roll with it but once you master the profession, the profession is perceived to be OP.

There’s no way we can win this.

So basically, we just entrust ourselves to the wisdom of Anet balance team that they will do the right thing and at least hear us out before making a drastic decision.

IMO, the changes on FS/LS is just a bone they throw at the dogs just to stop them from barking for a while.

true…or a deflection from the SB/mug nerf…..20 nerfs in a row with no upside….is bad for thief morale. could be a bone…or a distraction/trade

you just got boon hate, stealth reverted back to 3 seconds, and all your signets reworked. You focus all on the bad

DanH.5879:

PVE
thief:
1.traps suck big time
2.venoms have to small range for sharing
3.burst is meh
4.dps is far behind a warrior
5.mobility is NOT so very good without 15 in acrobatics
6.let’s say that the lowest hp/med armor combo compensates with stealth to stay alive, but the new “dont drop agro on stealth mechanic make things difficult”
7.almost NO boons, no team support except stealth res
8.blindness ineffective at bosses, also 1/2 duration of vulnerability&weakness
9.shared initiative system on all weapons

warrior:
1.banners 600 range: 2 super boons up for everyone in party !
2.invulnerability
3.top dps
4.highest hp/heavy armor
5.good condition remover (remove 1 condition on shout+ Shake It Off!=2 on 1 skill, Mending-remove 2 conditions then heal etc.)-contrary to “low condition removal” stated by a-net
6.good bursts
7.boons like 3 might stacks and fury for everyone in party
8.mobility via rush and other skills
9.switching weapon sets you get fresh skills

Warriors have no Invulnerability on ANY skills. They can block direct damage for 4 seconds, every 90 secounds, but CC, pre-existing conditions, and new conditions still effect them.

3 and 5 controdict each other because you can only choose one of those and frankly warrior tank sucks which is why you see more heavy DPS builds

6 Again Do you want the burst or the tankiness

7 For great Justice is a great skill but it has it’s limitations, now with the buffs to signets you will probably get more bang for your buck packing them instead

8 Rush is a greatsword specific build.

9 Yes we get different skills as we switch to different weapons, Just like guardians, necromancers, mesmers, etc

Nearly everything you said is circumstantial and out of context
IF you want to play Supportive warriors such as investing heavily into banners or shouts you lose ALOT else where.

each time you gain a bar of adrenalin would be perfect. it would give me a reason to actually USE my adrenalin so I can keep refreshing my bars. I almost cried with joy when I saw that suggestion.

It just seems more classes have alot easier access to protection while we don’t have any.

So if i poke you with a stick, will you completely shatter into a million pieces?

timidobserver.7925:

Bacon Please.8407:

Aza.2105:

Bacon Please.8407:

I had never mentioned gear anywhere in my analyses. Both as tanks, the Guardian will be able to provide more utility and more heals then the warrior can. You don’t see level 30 fractical groups advertising for tank warriors. That being said. I am not in anyway asking for a nerf to guardian. Me personally, I am asking for a grand master defensive tree trait that procs protection, it seems very surprising to me that warriors don’t have one considering they are heavy armor. I will not take over your forums, this is the guardian forums and I am discussing warriors.

No, not true. Guardian can not heal the group for 2k hp x3 with shouts. And warrior probably has better regen with their adrenal health, healing signet and perma regen from banners. Guardian can not provide offensive buffs, warrior can. The banner buffs are huge, guard can’t give the group benefits from: banner of strength, tactics, discipline and defense. Is that not utility?

Even warrior can have a pure of voice like trait with their warhorn:

Quick Breathing Warhorn skills recharge 20% faster. Warhorn skills convert 1 condition into a boon.

vs

Pure of Voice: Allies affected by shouts convert one condition to a boon.

I ask again, what utility is warrior missing over guardian? I know you aren’t asking for a nerf but you have to show actual facts and comparisons. Because looking at the skills, mostly everything guardian does warrior can do it also, albeit a bit differently.

Okay, lets play.

My dodge roll heals for around 1.2-1.4k and I use sigils of energy on both wepon sets so I dodge atleast once every time i switch. So lets say 4 times.

When I switch to staff I can constently spam 12 stacks of might with 100% uptime because of my boon duration build as well as that nice 2.4k heal to the area around me. I switch to Mace Shield to knock enemys away and pop shield for another ~1.2k heal. I haven’t even popped utilities yet. WIth traits I pop my virtue of resolve for another ~2.5k heal. Now I’m selfish and usually use Shelter, but lets say I switch to healing breeze, Don’t even know the heal on this. Hold the Line another 3k In regen because i have so much boon duration and healing power. all the while I am rolling around the battlefield healing everything in my area. Not to mention the retaliation, stability from stand your ground and Save yourself taking All conditions into myself and converting them to boons with pure of voice. After all that I popped renewed focus and pop virtues again if needed.

Well, other than support, you are mostly useless. They should probably chain CC you when your stability is down and then kill everyone around you.

You are implying I would be the only guardian or support in the group. I have so much stability i hardly ever get CC’d. Please refresh my mind, How is support from one of the best supporting classes useless?

Aza.2105:

Bacon Please.8407:

I had never mentioned gear anywhere in my analyses. Both as tanks, the Guardian will be able to provide more utility and more heals then the warrior can. You don’t see level 30 fractical groups advertising for tank warriors. That being said. I am not in anyway asking for a nerf to guardian. Me personally, I am asking for a grand master defensive tree trait that procs protection, it seems very surprising to me that warriors don’t have one considering they are heavy armor. I will not take over your forums, this is the guardian forums and I am discussing warriors.

No, not true. Guardian can not heal the group for 2k hp x3 with shouts. And warrior probably has better regen with their adrenal health, healing signet and perma regen from banners. Guardian can not provide offensive buffs, warrior can. The banner buffs are huge, guard can’t give the group benefits from: banner of strength, tactics, discipline and defense. Is that not utility?

Even warrior can have a pure of voice like trait with their warhorn:

Quick Breathing Warhorn skills recharge 20% faster. Warhorn skills convert 1 condition into a boon.

vs

Pure of Voice: Allies affected by shouts convert one condition to a boon.

I ask again, what utility is warrior missing over guardian? I know you aren’t asking for a nerf but you have to show actual facts and comparisons. Because looking at the skills, mostly everything guardian does warrior can do it also, albeit a bit differently.

Okay, lets play.

My dodge roll heals for around 1.2-1.4k and I use sigils of energy on both wepon sets so I dodge atleast once every time i switch. So lets say 4 times.

When I switch to staff I can constently spam 12 stacks of might with 100% uptime because of my boon duration build as well as that nice 2.4k heal to the area around me. I switch to Mace Shield to knock enemys away and pop shield for another ~1.2k heal. I haven’t even popped utilities yet. WIth traits I pop my virtue of resolve for another ~2.5k heal. Now I’m selfish and usually use Shelter, but lets say I switch to healing breeze, Don’t even know the heal on this. Hold the Line another 3k In regen because i have so much boon duration and healing power. all the while I am rolling around the battlefield healing everything in my area. Not to mention the retaliation, stability from stand your ground and Save yourself taking All conditions into myself and converting them to boons with pure of voice. After all that I popped renewed focus and pop virtues again if needed.

Cloud Stryfe.4058:

Have I ever speak about boonhate or last patch? People have to stop to play a warrior berserker and say “guardian can resist more”. Want a build for the Warrior that can be very good in WvW?I can give you on pvt if you want , then you can tell me if warrior it’s so easy to be destroyed by a guardian

Also, I don’t run berserker by the way, I run Power, Toughness, Vitality with a 2 peices of Valkyrie. I can’t think of a decent warrior is wvw or spvp that use berserker. Have a good day sir.

I had never mentioned gear anywhere in my analyses. Both as tanks, the Guardian will be able to provide more utility and more heals then the warrior can. You don’t see level 30 fractical groups advertising for tank warriors. That being said. I am not in anyway asking for a nerf to guardian. Me personally, I am asking for a grand master defensive tree trait that procs protection, it seems very surprising to me that warriors don’t have one considering they are heavy armor. I will not take over your forums, this is the guardian forums and I am discussing warriors.

Cloud, you go to to the warrior forums and complain there saying that any buff to warrior providing protection would destroy guardian, then a day later you make this thread. I primarily play Warrior and then Guardian. I have less then a 50 hour difference in play time between the two classes. My Guardian could DESTROY my warrior in all cases. For warrior to invest in Boon Hate they need to dedicate 30 points into what some describe as the worst trait tree. The class specific stat that we get from the line after investing these 30 points is 3% burst damage. That is less then, count them, 1 stack of might, on our burst skill. Even then boon hate is circumstantial because if you have protection up while fighting anyone, The damage increase becomes almost useless. Warrior is a heavy armor class but yet lacks a lot of ways to mitigate damage aside from Endure pain 4 second block of direct damage (90 second cool down) Conditions still apply, Conditions still do damage,can still be knocked down, and CC’d. The other being Shield stance Block for 3 second 30 second cool down. Other actions cancel this ability. Conditions and CC still apply. My guardian trumps this in EVERY way. Shelter, Focus, Shouts, aegis, protection, regen, vigor,Roll heals, I could go on but I would hope you see my point. NO ONE is asking for guardian to be changed AT ALL. Guardians are in a great place right now and are one of the most balanced classes out there. They are very group friendly and provided some of the greatest support in the game as well as function. They are a multi-roll class that can offer alot to the table. So Really, I don’t understand what your issue with giving warrior any type of look at. This last patch was a joke for us. A cruel joke. What we got was a circumstantial damage boost for a heavy trait investment and turtles defense turned into 3 seconds of regen (10 second cool down) Hardly noticeable.

Leo G.4501:

Could it be a new effect, like Mesmer distortion?

Yes it can. Which ever you want to suggest. Everything is open to discussion

Yaki.9563:

Cloud Stryfe.4058:

Lol people have you ever played a warrior full shout with soldier’s runes? He can heal more than a guardian , like 1500 for shout (instead of about 1000 of the guardian) and loose 1 condition for shout with a less recoil of skills respect a HE -shout guardian.

Try dodge healing for nearly the same amount every 5s, plus regen, plus protection, plus virtue heals, plus all the other crazy stuff they can get like wall of reflection. Warrior healing isn’t even close to Guardian healing (though War can get superior passive self-heals).

pretty much this.

I run a guardian that roll heals for more then any warrior can get with shouts. Plus I run runes of energy so i just swap between weapons and get 4 heals for about 1600 all while dodging, not taking damage, not even using a utility. I’ve never fought a warrior and even had the slightest thought of “oh he was kinda tanky” or even" he was healing for alot" Because it just doesn’t happen. Warrior tanks are jokes honestly.

A lot of great suggestions so far, keep them coming. I really liked the idea of implementing deep wound from Guild-wars 1. Maybe we could see some Dev feed back if we keep going.

Cloud Stryfe.4058:

You want protection?ok so you can have the same hp pool of the guardian if you want it , I think that warrior can’t have more power – more hp – all the weapons and protection too… Well you can have it too but if Anet want that I think that they can delete the Guardian-class.

If you think giving warriors a little bit of protection in a Major or grandmaster trait would break the guardian class then I don’t know how you play guardian (if you even do). I have much respect for guardians. Right now anet believes them to be in a pretty balanced spot, the only thing that i think they need to work on for guardian is the zeal trait line as it is pretty lacking. But over all they are one of the best classes around. Tell me how you think that giving warriors protection would make the Guardian-class obsolete? Warriors can not provide the amount of support, boons, sustained tanking, that guardians have.

PearlGore.7419:

Oh for god sake we dodge to much now? Just remove us from the game and be done with it, next month it will be that we get medium armor, month after that we do damage! Nerf it…

Worst PvP gamers I have ever seen.

i’d be okay with removing thief from game.

see ya, don’t let the door hit ya on the way out

TheGuy.3568:

Chesire.9043:

I’ve been running Shake it Off and Great Justice in sPvP with soldier runes for my power build and it’s (so far) the best condition management I’ve found without sacrificing that final utility slot for SoS and I’m playing around with Precision signet right now. The only drawback to my build that I’m honestly displeased with is that while having to use two utility slots to manage conditions, I have very few CC options and don’t get many chances to land my HB burst.

Would be nice if our elite signet had passive condition removal or boon removal with a short CD instead of the Adrenaline gain. Warriors have so much Adrenaline gain right now it’s ridiculous. Or Rampage drumped all conditions and either elite made you immune to Cripple/Chill/Immob for it’s duration (or a short duration in the case of the Signet).

Just a few ideas to spit ball without much thought into them.

Like I said in my OP there should not be a need for runes. It should be in the traits and the utilities. I am not saying we cannot beat condition spec ever. What I am saying is that we really don’t have counter play for it. Pure condition or condition variety builds (necro and engineer) we have no answer to. Even if you run shouts with soldiers it wont work.

Your ideas make sense though. With all that adrenaline traits that would get us to use it would be nice. Either way condition management for our class needs some looking at.

Pretty much this

If warriors were given one added boon, what would you want it to be? Why?

For me personally I think i would want protection. As a major pvper and wvw player I fee; as though I lack a lot of sustainability and feel that a little bit of up time with protection would go a long way.