Guild Wars 2

Oh the rage!!!11!!1!!

Lt Latency.7415:

You know What I would do if I was a dev company. I would never tell anyone any thing about future plans EVER!!!!!

If the second something small changed a bunch of people can roll around kicking a scream after playing 600 hours to get their money back. It’s too risky.

This is why game companies lock everything in the vault and don’t tell people what they are working on.

The ONLY thing you do is hurt the industry as a whole. It a HUGE risk for companies to build and try new things cause some times they don’t work and they still need to make a profit.

GW2 tried to be more then a WoW clone, For that at least they deserve 60 bucks.

Why the rage?
And it’s not small change. It’s a huge change. In game’s philosophy. They did try to be different than WoW-clones, for 2.5 months. The moment they started to turn their back on this ideology, that’s when people have started asking for refunds.

John Lucier.5486:

Ballistic.4531:

That’s not compromise. I love both PvE and WWW in this game. Even next to all the bugs and unbalances, I still love them. So, this compromise would be to grind two times? Once for PvE gear and then for WWW gear?
Sorry, but that doesn’t sound like a compromise to me.

Perhaps reading what I wrote, and not just picking out 2 words, would in turn make it so you can respond and not look very ignorant. Thanks

I read your post and got from it that you are proposing the same solution as other games. More specifically, gears only available in PvP.
Sorry if I misunderstood, but that’s what i got from your post.

Booning.5476:

So the solution is to make the game even more like wow? Gob smacked!

Quick someone run out and get me 200 ciggies – I have an idea on how to cure lung cancer.

Hahaha! Thank you! Haven’t laughed this hard on these forums in a while.

That’s not compromise. I love both PvE and WWW in this game. Even next to all the bugs and unbalances, I still love them. So, this compromise would be to grind two times? Once for PvE gear and then for WWW gear?
Sorry, but that doesn’t sound like a compromise to me.

Tifa Lockheart Ex.9614:

Been hanging around the forum to see if any dev will respond to all these frustration, so far its been quiet.

Same here. Grasping for a straw.

Namu.5712:

uhhh because the new dungeon is progressive? you don’t even need the new gear until like level 11 lol.

Until being the key word. You still do need it at some point or you are locked out of the content.

Namu.5712:

So why would you think that any new additions wouldn’t follow this trend?

Exactly what I’m thinking. They will follow the same trend and deepen it even more.

Namu.5712:

Or did you forget they are trying to cater to both,

They are doing very poor job atm.

Namu.5712:

let casuals run the new dungeons with no requirement, while progressive type players that reach a certain progression level will be required to have the gear to move deeper in….

Up until this point everything was open to all the players. With this dungeon, if you don’t have certain gear you are locked out of the content. Even you say so. Here I’ll quote it again.

players that reach a certain progression level will be required to have the gear to move deeper in….

Namu.5712:

It’s only logical that it follows the same trend that we saw with the introduction of progression dungeons.

It’s far from being “the only logical” trend. Oh and you call it progression I call it treadmill. But it’s the same thing. Just wanted to get that out in the open.

Namu.5712:

Again why do you think they would deviate and lock casual players out of pve content and make a gear requirement when the current content introducing the gear makes sure that there is no requirement? What is the basis of your doubt?

First of all, they already are locking casual players from certain content, even you said so (I quoted on you on that).
Secondly, they deviated from “publicly advertised philosophy” already so what makes you think they won’t do it again? It’s only logical they will do it again. It’s even easier this time, they never said anything out loud.
Thirdly, they are not catering to both types of players. They are catering to their “most dedicated” ones. (I can’t quote them here, because automatic infraction and post deletion is then imminent – learned that the hard way).

Fortuna.7259:

Ballistic.4531:

Fortuna.7259:

show me a bird that does not ever do so.

Penguins.

(sorry, I just couldn’t resist)

Cute, but off the mark. The question is about a bird that flies without ever flapping its wings, not about one that doesn’t fly.

It’s a technicality and meant as a joke, but touché!

bigbobpataki.4796:

They made a comment a week or two back that they plan on adding full sets. Until I see pictures of the set, or they say that after all of this community outrage they still plan on doing that, it is speculating to me. You do not know their plans after a patch like this.

That being said, they have been doing a very poor job at communcating with us.

Well, they can pretty much say anything they want at this point, I won’t trust them.
They said that this game won’t have a traditional end-game, gear treadmill, content gating… But we do, and I got burned. But not again.

Namu.5712:

Chances are that they will be progressive just like they are now and you wont need the gear until you get to a certain level of progression in the new dungeon…… just pointing out the obvious.

I’m sorry I might be missing something, but how is that obvious?
Chances are once people in GW2 have accepted the treadmill they’ll go and implement it so that you can’t even go near the new dungeon if you are not in full certain set.

bigbobpataki.4796:

Ballistic.4531:

bigbobpataki.4796:

Adding new rings and back pieces that are slightly better then existing ones certianly changed the whole philosphy of the game huh.

I’m guessing you don’t know the game’s philosophy prior to grinding treadmill was introduced.
Yes – it did change the philosophy of the game.

I do, and I was why I bought the game. That philosophy is not dead, at least not yet. The new ring/back pieces are as much of a “treadmill” as legendaries are. Now, if we had full sets of ascended gear I would agree that the philosophy has been changed, but until that day arrives, I think speculating one what is to be on little to no evidence is sillly. Yes they have said that they will eventually add full sets, but who knows when that is, and even if they plan on doing that still with all the outrage.

What’s the difference between introducing few better items and full sets? You still have to go after better gear, be it full set or “just” a few items. Better stats are still better stats.
It doesn’t really matter how long it will take them to introduce entire sets, but it is coming. No doubt about it. They said so. It’s not a speculation.
So, the philosophy is broken with just a single item, it doesn’t require full set to break. You either do as you say you will, or you don’t. It’s that simple.

Arreyanne.2683:

There probably wont be another tier of gear added.

However they are planning on adding new tiers of Infusions. Infusions are the mechanic they have stated that from this point in the games evolution will be the bases of all new content.

The Infusions will gain in power (stats Agony resistance, etc) and continue to be a bigger time sink

No new gear just new Infusions

What’s the difference when infusions have stats on them (beside the agony resistance)? It’s the same thing.

Fortuna.7259:

show me a bird that does not ever do so.

Penguins.

(sorry, I just couldn’t resist)

bigbobpataki.4796:

Adding new rings and back pieces that are slightly better then existing ones certianly changed the whole philosphy of the game huh.

I’m guessing you don’t know the game’s philosophy prior to grinding treadmill was introduced.
Yes – it did change the philosophy of the game.

BlueprintLFE.2358:

Is it going to continue with this design philosophy?

Of course it is. That’s the new Anet’s philosophy. Either grind every day 10 hours per day or buy from cash shop. Game for casuals all the way!

dirtyklingon.2918:

you are about to learn the full power of their respect for quoting and linking their own words bro, nevermind using their holy names in vain.

LMAO! The sad part is that it’s true.

Logun.2349:

I’ll also ask this, allot of people are raving about how much fun the new dungeon is ….. so would it instantly be less fun if it was just for cosmetic improvements with Agony as the only upgrade?

I’m guessing they wouldn’t know as they wouldn’t try it out, because they would have no “feeling of progression”.

Ganzo.5079:

Ballistic.4531:

Fiennes.9568:

Irnhide.3428:

When you have a forum full of angry and upset and frustration…. its not a minority anymore.

Until you have figures showing how many people actually post here, versus those that don’t, you have no business really, saying that it is not a minority

True. However, same goes the other way. We also don’t know if it really is a minority.

but, if we take the forum as feedback, we cant say that the majority of player asked for a new stats tier. and without an in game survey, the forum is the only feedback they can use…i guess.

Again true. However, I’m not sure who said that majority asked for a treadmill.

Fiennes.9568:

Irnhide.3428:

When you have a forum full of angry and upset and frustration…. its not a minority anymore.

Until you have figures showing how many people actually post here, versus those that don’t, you have no business really, saying that it is not a minority

True. However, same goes the other way. We also don’t know if it really is a minority.

Eveningstar.6940:

Money is a bad metric for measuring the value of the game. If you ask me, “Did I get my $60 worth from the game?” then the question misses the point.

Time is much more valuable than money. Money comes and goes; time is a permanent investment. The time I spend in the game—not the money—reflects my passion for the game, and my personal investment in the game.

So the bigger question is: What do you expect out of a game that you’ve invested 500 hours in?

And taking $60 as the value is also wrong. Many have given more, (in some cases) much more money to the cash shop. So it’s not really “only” $60.

Kolache.3964:

The only far-fetched possibility I can imagine that would keep me playing is if they somehow split up the servers. If they converted X-number of “Manifesto” servers out there that locked ascended gear/infusions, then gave these servers their own WvW group, then the kitteny version of GW2 could go on it’s merry linear progression way while the promised GW2 happily stayed behind.

This just isn’t happening for the simple reason of future content. That means they would have to develop two different and separated contents. I just don’t see it happening with current setting.

Sykper.6583:

There is a lot of hate going on in this thread and although I agree largely with many of the points listed, like the manifesto being breached or content shifting towards grinding…why aren’t we offering a discussion on ‘how to make the new content work’ as opposed to ‘the new content should just be tossed’?

People have already proposed many ways how to mitigate this in this and other threads.

Sykper.6583:

The only, real issue that came with this patch isn’t really the fact that the Ascended gear was a step up in stats

That’s far from the real issue.

Sykper.6583:

if anything the stats are as A-Net said, a tier between Exotics and Legendaries

And this just isn’t true. Legendary and Exotic weaps had the same stats. So there can be no stat-gap if they are identical in terms of stats. What Anet said is that they weren’t equal time-wise and that they wanted to close that gap. Although, which gap is beyond me.

Sykper.6583:

People might have assumed the stat changes weren’t going to be that different, well that was an understatement.

Nope. People have assumed no stat changes at all.

Sykper.6583:

No, the real issue people are having is the fact you can only get this kind of gear through dungeons.

Again, that’s only one of the issues.

Sykper.6583:

What A-Net should have done, their biggest mistake was not from day 1 of releasing new content was implement vendors or some mechanism that you could get Ascended gear through other means.

That wouldn’t fix the underlying problem, but would be a step in the right direction. Although I’m not expecting any new steps in the right direction, as it seems to me that Anet lost it’s compass.

Sykper.6583:

Better yet, make it similar to how you get Legendaries and force you to hit multiple levels of involvement, maybe on a slightly lesser scope. For example, you could use karma to buy items that would act as materials with T6 materials to craft said gear, OR spend WvW badges on items that merged with current exotics for an upgraded ascended item…and so on.

Some people never wanted to create a Legendary. So, IMO this way you would be forcing them into something they don’t want to do – And this was the entire premise of this game. Not forcing you to anything you don’t want to do and still have fun.

Sykper.6583:

I feel A-Net wanted to fix the cry for end-game, but only resulted in gathering hate from every non-PvE dungeon player. Speaking from a player who likes the new dungeon I believe A-Net shouldn’t have neglected to allow players to explore different paths to this new tier…

Not sure if you remember, but this game was advertised as having no traditional end-game and that “entire game is an end-game”. People seem to be forgetting that. More importantly Anet seems to have forgotten that.

Columba.9730:

(no it isn’t).

dalendria.3762:

Hopefully, they will release additional changes soon to the existing content and bug issues.

I learned that word from gPotato. It’s never good.

Traxous.2304:

Just curious as to where every1 is?

Trolling the forums, not playing.

Tifa Lockheart Ex.9614:

It is a win, with GW1 when the game stop selling, they created costume and personally I didn’t mind dishing out a few buck to look awesome. I get to look cool anet get to make money, it is a win win.

Buying costumes and buying gear from the cash shop are two different things. I’m all in for the first one.

Pay to win? Hell no!

Edit: but since I’m not playing anymore and if they don’t want to go back to original ideas for this game, they might as well introduce this. I won’t be around.

dalendria.3762:

Fractals is new so it should be real easy to get a group within the first few weeks. Why are people now reporting that they cannot get a group after only 2 days?

Because the system works.

This guy was so vocal prior to GW2 release. Why isn’t he saying anything now? Is he still around?
Some people on the forums speculated that he left, but since these are speculations only I’m curious as to why he isn’t saying a word anymore (if he didn’t leave).

Ganzo.5079:

to avoid this hamster wheel you have another choice, the B2W option to craft a full set of legendaries because, legend will always be the BIS items.

How do you know legendary will stay as the best? At some point they might go “Oh, look. 50% of the people has crafted a legendary. We need Mega-Legendary gears now.”

What Anet should do (order is not important):
1. Delete Ascended gear.
2. Edit Infusions to have only Agony resistance.
3. Add resistance slot to exo gear.
4. Make a public apology.

But people have stated this already in these forums many times and I highly doubt it will ever happen.

You would be right if it weren’t for the fact that infusions have additional stats on them, and not only agony resistance.
Also, I would have no problem with this dungeon if all they did is added infusion place to existing gears, WITHOUT additional stats. There is no point in adding higher-stat gears and infusions with stats for your running the new dungeon (because they have to scale difficulty in the new dungeon to reflect higher stats) except for giving you a carrot to chaise.

warmonkey.8013:

You don’t get people to give you money by making it painful if they do not. You get people to give you money by making them have fun and WANT to give you money.

Bulls-eye! And we were giving them money as a support to both the cause and their good work and for making a fun game.
This isn’t the case anymore and as many have stated “My wallet is closed from now on”.

I expect them to stay loyal to their preachings.

You’ll get an answer from them only in threads thanking them and praising them. Doesn’t matter on what as long as you have only positive to say, that’s where they’ll answer.
(+1 infraction for me for this reply)

Zenith.1234:

Rhyse.8176:

Adding this which I just learned:

Lord Funk over in the Threadnaught mentioned that the new jumping puzzle is called “Under New Management.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-vCstPnTd4

I think we may be on to something here.

Wonder why the puzzle is called “Under New Management”? lol…

BUY-4373, Subdirector Blingg, Under New Management…
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Thoughts-on-Ascended-Gear-Merged-threads/page/203#post780596

ASB.4295:

A golem named BUY-4373, an NPC named Subdirector Blingg, and a jumping puzzle named Under New Management.

I’m sorry, but those references are too coincidental to just be funny. Thanks for letting us now, ANet.

Oh my… Guess I shouldn’t hold my breath then…

Eh… So apparently new dungeon isn’t resetting.
Imagine what happens if you make a break of a week or two?
Not going to get a group for it any more. Everyone else will be on the level 50+++ and they aren’t going to run lvl1 just for you… Eh Anet, you couldn’t have came up with the worst mechanics, couldn’t you?

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Concerned-about-weekly-fractal-reset/first#post776705

William Fairfield.1428:

… invalidating all of the work that those who had already received those skins had done.

LOL!
How about a comment on invalidating other stuff? Just LOL.

Snoring Sleepwalker.9073:

gwawer.9805:

To the people who are saying “I didn’t buy this game to grind dungeons I just wanted to stroll about in the world and do my thing and enjoy dynamic events la la la”…

Are you actually doing that? Are you actually going back to zones and re-experiencing the events and the world? Or is this just an ideal that you wish you could do, but never actually could get yourself to do?

Maybe this is why Anet is being flexible now with their original philosophy, because they see that despite their own ideals of having players go out into the world and just “having fun” people simply don’t do that anymore.

Yes I was.

I was too.

/signed

I’m still checking these forums to see if Anet would issue a statement about all of this, but somehow I don’t think that’s what we’ll get.

Fortuna.7259:

Ascended gear (with infusions) will be as strong as exotic gear tier is

Sorry, but you got it wrong. Asc gear will be stronger. There are even some percentages on the forums how much stronger they will be, but I won’t pick any of them as I’m not sure which one is correct.

Vermillion Hawk.9037:

Did your exotics really just become obsolete? Are they now absolutely useless? Are other new dungeons going to use the Agony effect? The answer to all three is no.

You ask and you answer?! Interesting way to discuss something with other people.
Guess I know now how your discussions look like. Disagreeing with you = bad.

Filled. Good luck!

Vermillion Hawk.9037:

Sales does not necessarily mean active players, but they certainly precipitate them. Looking stupid to prove a point will get you nowhere.

You should really start listening to your own advices.

Vermillion Hawk.9037:

What DegoLocc says is true. Players who enjoy the game are probably going to play the game instead of waste time crying on the forums.

But since you guys like numbers, let’s do numbers. If one takes the sales figures (well over 2 million) into account, and say that maybe for every person who cries on this forum, there are 3-4 who share their opinion, that’s a mere fraction of the total people playing this game.

Give up the number crunching. You are bad at it.
You’re telling me that there are 2 million active people on right now? lol
I’m telling you there is less than 100 of them. My point is as valid as yours. No proof no nothing. Just tossing numbers out there.

EdwinLi.1284:

Ballistic.4531:

I think the choice was easy. All that they should’ve done was to follow their own manifesto. Simple as that. So whoever gets angry because of it, it’s not their problem.

That is the sad part. No matter what they did people would of made it their problem.

I get your point, but it wasn’t me (us) who asked for a manifesto. It was them who published it as their own vision and guidelines. Users (some of them) bought their product because of that manifesto.
Again, I get your point and it is true. There will always be dissatisfied customers. But all I’m saying is that when it comes to decisions like this, that’s why you have manifesto for. So you won’t kick your customers in the ribs (majority, minority that’s open for debate).

EdwinLi.1284:

The way I see it Anet is stuck pick which side to satisfy. This first one that is happening now is the new Endgame dungeon and Ascendent gear.

Before release….

1) A lot of people complain of lack of real endgame dungeon and a long term goal other than legendary weapon

2) The other lot complain the game doesn’t need some long term goal and being short is fine even though you’ll finish the game sooner than you wanted and get bored but what they need is to release the other part of the map we can’t explore yet.

Anet had to choose between one of these 2 angry mob of fourm community and they chosen #1. Now #1 is satisfied but now #2 is raging like a angry bull who can only see red.

A you can see Anet will be constantly stuck between 2 angry community groups and no matter what they do they will start a rage fest no matter how hard they try.

I think the choice was easy. All that they should’ve done was to follow their own manifesto. Simple as that. So whoever gets angry because of it, it’s not their problem.

I’m really hopping for Anet’s post explaining all of this, but to be honest I don’t think they will. If they do I would be the first in line to log back in.
But I don’t think they will.

Shooopa.5632:

People actually playing the game instead of grinding dungeons 24/7.

That’s asking for too much! Crossing the line there.