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Constructive discussions would imply there is other side (in this case Anet) who listens and responds (is actively participating in a discussion).
How much has Anet been active in these discussions?
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It is a cosmetic upgrade with higher stats.
This by definition isn’t cosmetic upgrade.
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They are doing it now. Everything gets either deleted or merged into see of other posts. Just enough to loose any sense.
It’s so nice to read that people allow other people’s opinions to be heard.
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So, Chris Whiteside was telling the truth. They have no plans to trot out new treadmill gear every three months, because they don’t know now fast the locusts can consume the content. Every couple of weeks should do it.
Me likey!
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On the bright side
No such thing in this mess.
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… they have to try to meet the needs of ALL their players …
To say it in your own words
Get over yourself.
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Are we gamers really so shallow that all we can think with is our wallets and not our love for a game?
The gaming companies only think with their wallets. I honestly thought Anet would be different. So why not give them a taste of their own medicine?
Every company i n existence is like this thats how our economy works you know welcome to reality my friend,.
I know, but thinking only with their wallet isn’t the same as wanting profit. Two completely different things, my friend.
Thats probably true but companies today do everything to make more money they sell weapons, destroy our eco system, child labour and so on who cares about a gaming company “lying” about some virtual items. there is always way way worse stuff going on out there and its getting worse.
So why are you playing a game when there are children suffering? There are far more important things to do in the world than have fun. Why aren’t you out there helping the starving, abused, suicidal, eco system…?
Why should i ? It’s in our nature to destroy ourselves.
There is no point in trying to change something that cannot be changed.
I actually typed the whole logical argument against this, but then realized “Why should I?”. No point in trying to change your opinion as it cannot be changed. And besides we are all self-destructive.
This world needs more people being frank and less people being offended.
Are we gamers really so shallow that all we can think with is our wallets and not our love for a game?
The gaming companies only think with their wallets. I honestly thought Anet would be different. So why not give them a taste of their own medicine?
Every company i n existence is like this thats how our economy works you know welcome to reality my friend,.
I know, but thinking only with their wallet isn’t the same as wanting profit. Two completely different things, my friend.
Thats probably true but companies today do everything to make more money they sell weapons, destroy our eco system, child labour and so on who cares about a gaming company “lying” about some virtual items. there is always way way worse stuff going on out there and its getting worse.
So why are you playing a game when there are children suffering? There are far more important things to do in the world than have fun. Why aren’t you out there helping the starving, abused, suicidal, eco system…?
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This is my first and probable last post. First of all I can’t thank you wonderful, thoughtful, cogent, principled and dignified people for bringing attention to this issue. It’s one I’d not considered and I feel so enlightened from having spent the time reading your thoughts on this duplicitous development. I hadn’t realized the specifics behind a concept like “the treadmill” and all the varying ways it adversely effects players. I had been eagerly awaiting the launch of GW2 for the past two years though not extensively as many of you. It was exhilarating creating my characters at midnight precisely August 25th. I thought of all the fun that was soon to be had. For that first week I found friendly, funny, and above all decent helpful people helping others, a true community. That abruptly changed post launch. First red flag. I began having WoW flashbacks upon reading some of the garden variety cruelty so readily typed in the map channel. So quickly it had changed. Regardless I plunged on steadily leveling 4 “mains”. I tried moving to a different server and luckily found friendly people once again. Then came the bot trains. Second red flag. Seeing the same professions being used to farm seemed to invalidate the notion that all professions were equally footed and skill alone would determine their success. Naked bots for gods sake, extremely insulting to my Mesmer taking far too long to kill the creatures these unarmored things were shredding in seconds. I pondered my build, I tried consulting other peoples builds to no avail. I didn’t mind it, it felt like I was crafting something and just needed the right recipe. It was a fun diversion. However, intrinsically, and I may well be utterly wrong, I felt lied to. As someone hilariously and sadly accurately summed up the situation in another post (I’m paraphrasing) “anyone playing a warrior need only roll their face across the keyboard to outperform my character”. This latest update however has broken whatever trust I had in this company. I’m utterly disgusted. I feel terrible for all the beta testers who gave their time, energy, and enthusiasm to perfect this game. It appears merely from perusing this now merged thread there was a lot of communication going on between the participants and the developers. The contrast to this silence regarding the treadmill is insulting. What has done it for me however was finding a post regarding Magic Find :https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/MF-Gear-in-Dungeons-Contribute-less-get-more in which a Game Designer responded within an hour of its posting. See it for yourself. The OP is questioning the fairness of Magic Find in dungeons, the response he receives is a sales pitch pointing out the wonderful new addition of Magic Find via Ascended gear in the Fractals. My friends they don’t care. They are going ahead with this full press. The jaded side of me feels they used the beta GW1 fans as dupes to saturate the opening of the game. Your usefulness wore off after only 3 months it appears. I say this in full candor and forthrightness regardless of its lack of diplomacy. I hope it doesn’t result in an infraction, however it is my opinion based on what I’ve seen over the last 3 months. I am sorry if this is offensive to anyone but it is my observation and is absolutely fallible, but I now believe it. To end this positively I’d just like to again thank everyone who took the time, energy, and insightfulness to write in this merged thread. You’ve shown me the world isn’t full of selfish, short-sighted, essentially voraciously greedy people. Your dignity and principles are the best examples of what it is to be a human being and I can’t thank you enough for having the courage and resolve to address this betrayal.
Get ready to be torn apart. As soon as you attack any parts of Anet this is what happens by both mods and the “other side” of the community.
I’m so getting infracted for this comment.
But other than that, I agree with what you’ve said. Well put!
This world needs more people being frank and less people being offended.
Are we gamers really so shallow that all we can think with is our wallets and not our love for a game?
The gaming companies only think with their wallets. I honestly thought Anet would be different. So why not give them a taste of their own medicine?
Every company i n existence is like this thats how our economy works you know welcome to reality my friend,.
I know, but thinking only with their wallet isn’t the same as wanting profit. Two completely different things, my friend.
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Since apparently this is the feedback thread I’ll post my opinion on this thing here.
Grab a cup of coffee and start reading: 200 pages, 10k posts, 112k views. Think it says a lot.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Thoughts-on-Ascended-Gear-Merged-threads/page/1
This world needs more people being frank and less people being offended.
Are we gamers really so shallow that all we can think with is our wallets and not our love for a game?
The gaming companies only think with their wallets. I honestly thought Anet would be different. So why not give them a taste of their own medicine?
This world needs more people being frank and less people being offended.
we can dodge xD
You’re right! That makes everything better now! Haha!
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The massive amount of untested content / bugs were fine, the ramptant hacking / botting / cheatting was ok, but the day Arenanet turned on their manifesto I actually felt pretty terrible.
This! I was actually here to stay. I would look away from those problems this game has in hope they would eventually fix them, but this is just plain wrong and goes against everything they stood for.
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If not…well the game wont die, but it will fall into the gaping void and blend with the other thousands average MMO’s.
It’s there already. What’s the difference now between all other MMO’s and this one is beyond me.
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A) this thread is about to be merged with the other. There’s no point starting new threads.
B) Who cares if they allow crafters to make the gear? Who cares if you can get it in wvw? The biggest problem is that the power plateau was supposed to be incredibly easy to reach, and now it is not. The -only- compromise that would be acceptable is the complete removal of the Agony mechanic (which is content gating and gear treadmill all in one) and if there has to be a new higher tier of gear stats wise, that anyone wearing currently max level gear will have it automatically be upgraded into new max level gear.
So much this.
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so time to man up every one and stop whining like little girls.
I would be the first one to “man up and stop whining” right after Anet “mans up” and apologize for this mess/broken promises/false marketing/broken manifesto.
But it ain’t happening. So deal with it.
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When is the time we can tell Anet “We told you so!”?
People have been warning about this as soon as the news spread about new “stuff”, before actual patch was applied.
So since we are seeing all of the warning come to pass, is it the right time now?
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Reduce Ascended Gear stats to Exotic Equivalent and give Exotic equipment Infusion slots as well. Change method of acquiring precursors. Honestly I’m surprised that they cited players hitting a legendary wall and quitting and didn’t address that wall at all.
This.
This plus a crow eating apology for lying to me prior to my game purchase and trying to deceive us by not notifying us of their intended abandonment of their manifesto the moment the decision was made to go ahead with building this monstrosity of a patch might do the trick (If I can mange to cool off some over then next few days).
This.
4) more communication
With this, i think a can reconsider my position, everyones make mistakes.
And this.
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But www was not intended as an equal-playing ground. It was supposed to be dependent on your PvE gear.
And capping the stats to exo ones would go against what they said www will be.
Oh wait… We saw that before!
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Yeah okay, re-reading that it certainly looks like they’re going to be introducing further ascended items with each new major endgame encounter. Oh dear.
They’re clearly not thinking this through thoroughly enough. There is a way to provide a sense of progression, just by introducing increased gear aesthetic variety. As long as something is best in slot, people will chase and chase gear just to regularly attain a distinctive and unique look.
And if they want there to be prerequisites to dungeon entry, then sure, have a all gear with a slot that takes interchangeable items that one has to grind for. That also represents gear progression, but the emphasis is different – rather than being about chasing a wholesale hike in stats in order to be top geared it’s about being “attuned” to specific dungeon mechanics (not in the WoW sense) in order to mitigate that dungeons specific effects.
That, to me anyway, makes sense as a way to move forward – have a flat level of ascended armour, ramp up the choice of gear aesthetically to give people something to chase should they so wish, but make the dungeon effect that requires mitigation purely temporary, something you apply to existing gear. That way, the devs can think up new and fiendish ways to have us rushing around without feeling we’re having to make stupid little incremental base stat increases just so we don’t get left behind.
Job done. Right?
I completely agree with you! There are so many ways to keep the game fresh, interesting and to cause the feeling of progression with players that doesn’t include gear treadmill.
Sadly, they aren’t asking for any hints, suggestions or plain help. No matter what the mods say – it’s the way it is.
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Just get used to it. We aren’t getting any responses from them. Except for plain PR talks. Unfortunately, but that’s about all we are getting.
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I’m interested to know how long this new tier of stats has been on the cards. It does seem like a big u-turn, this isn’t something they’ve designed and implemented on the fly in the last couple of months, right?
My thought exactly! And why haven’t they said anything about it while developing new items and the idea itself? (It’s rhetorical. It’s pretty straightforward why they haven’t said anything)
I’ve not been keeping up with the rage and I’ve deliberately kept away from the ascended details beyond the basics. All I know is that defensive infusion is needed to counter agony and ascended items with infusion slots are a bump of stats on exotics.
That being said, does this not imply that this tier is now the top tier of gear there will ever be, that it’s required for the agony mechanic that we’ll see in future endgame instances and as long as you have ascended items slotted with infusion you can compete in them?
And if that’s the case, that hardly represents power creep, it’s just the unveiling of a final tier of gear that will always be needed for this style of dungeon?
From Linsey Murdock’s Blog post (https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/linsey-murdock-unveils-new-high-end-ascended-gear/):
“…The first end game mechanic we will introduce is Agony…”
So he sais they will keep introducing new mechanics later on. Who sais you won’t need new “ascended items” to fight off new “agony mechanics”? This is just one of the issues we are having.
See, I said I wasn’t clued up. And that’s because ANet aren’t communicating their full intent very well at all. They could resolve all this rage by confirming that this is the case, then all the bad feelings would go away.
They aren’t communicating, period. After 200 pages, 10k posts and 112k views in the forum topic about ascended gear they haven;t said a single word.
On german website they said they can’t promise that because they would again be called liars. So, no. This is far from last tier they’ll introduce.
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It’s a done deal. even if this change causes a mass exodus, and huge drop in revenue, they can’t go back on it now. Look at SWG. Instead of admitting they were wrong and reversing the changes, they allowed the game to close.
What we have now, and going forward is GW2. Nothing is going to change that now. If you are so opposed to this change that you can’t live with it, then I would start looking for another game.
the only way I could see for them to reverse this would be to create new servers that had different rules. Everyone starts at 80, there is no leveling. Everyone gets access to the best gear immediatly, of every type. All zones are level 80. There is only end game crafting and you buy the right to craft from vendors. Progression is cosmetic based only.
Trading post is seperate from original servers. overflows are seperate from original servers. No hosting between server types.
So you are proposing to split the community even more?
I also think they won’t revise or revert to anything. Heck, they won’t even issue a statement about all this. I don’t expect them to do anything other than be quiet about all this mess.
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My god, the things people say over a few new items. I’ve never seen crying this pathetic ever, over such kittening little things.
I think you’ve entirely missed the point.
Yeah he did.
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Btw I am not running new dungeon all over gain to get Ascended gear, I am running it to gain material and fractal weapon drops.
So its not about higher stats, but about the skin, loot.
Areanet could simply make ascended gear on pair with exotic and only add the infusion slot for pve progression. Problem solved
Yep, but this is like split the players in 2 factions: dungeon runners and all the others.
All this ascendant project is a mess. Its ok to add new skins hard to get (for all i care, they can be without stats… so i have to buy the trasmutation stone if i like to use the skin) but not a new stats tier. The easy way is simple make ppl infuse the existing gear… so you can keep you Items, your runes, and you can add infusions.
ALL WILL BE HAPPY WITH THIS, instead of split players.
Yes, but this isn’t going to happen. So basically we got pushed out of our game. As someone already said on the forums, if I wanted to play a treadmill game I’ll go to other games who had long time to perfect treadmill methodology.
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IMO, the whole game never left beta.
+1
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I dont see your point here. Guild Wars is about skill more than about gear.
He was being cynical. And GW2 is not about skills anymore. See few posts above.
There are skilled and bad players. Ofcourse that skilled players want to run with skilled players and not carry over unskilled people, who die at every encounter.
Agreed. But I thought skill =/= gears so why ask for full exotics then? Skill has nothing to do with having exotics on you… Sorry if I misunderstood your words.
Come on .. what are you angry here about?
Not beeing good enought? .. Dont get this
People like you are saying skill =/= gears (which I wholeheartedly support!) and then you come and ask for best possible gears under pretenses “that skilled players want to run with skilled players and not carry over unskilled people, who die at every encounter”.
It’s usually people asking for full lvl 80-full exotic group that needs to be carried over. And this comes from my experience with those kind of people in this game.
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… But I’m not.
I hit 80 and got all my exotic stuff set up. That meant, until today, that I had reached a stage where I can pursue whatever stupid thing I feel like doing at any given moment. That’s awesome. Do I want to explore the map? I can do map completion. Do I want jumping puzzles? I can find some jumping puzzles. Do I want to do WvW? (Yes, yes I do, constantly.) I can go do WvW.
For the most part, I don’t have to give two kitten about what the rewards are, because I have the stuff I need and now the stuff I’m getting is gravy. That’s fun. It’s relaxing. It’s liberating. I played GW1 for, like, five years in this mode.
Except now I’m not done building up my character, because we have ascended gear to grind for. And it’s quite the grind. Siiiigh.
Unfortunately, this is something you can’t explain to some people. The liberating and relaxing feeling I get when I log in without the need to grind, grind, grind… No rush to anywhere, no rush for anything… Just enjoying!
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Quoting AN’s manifesto proves nothing anymore.
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GW2 players are not opposed to change. We are opposed being lied to.
Siggied!
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i didnt claim he did know… but you sound so certain when you said he wasnt the majority. my point was that everyone shoudl be carefull claiming “facts”, him aswell as you…
But he was so certain that he was speaking for the majority!
While I do agree that none of us really know who is in majority and who’s not, I didn’t see you quoting him and asking him the same question about proof (like I haven’t to the other guy as well).
And “facts” are something that you can see been thrown around on these forums a lot, especially during last week or so, from all “sides”./agree
/friends?
/of course
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(I won’t quote this time so no one would feel obligated to answer)
Exactly the point. If they new that they would (at any point in time when they started to develop this new content) deviate in any way from what they said and how they marketed their product, shouldn’t they have came clean and told the community about the new changes in direction?
Because I really, really don’t think they came up with this idea 7 days ago.
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i didnt claim he did know… but you sound so certain when you said he wasnt the majority. my point was that everyone shoudl be carefull claiming “facts”, him aswell as you…
But he was so certain that he was speaking for the majority!
While I do agree that none of us really know who is in majority and who’s not, I didn’t see you quoting him and asking him the same question about proof (like I haven’t to the other guy as well).
And “facts” are something that you can see been thrown around on these forums a lot, especially during last week or so, from all “sides”.
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they changed their mind and found this to be a better direction for THEIR game
And they designed and coded all of the new content in less than two months?
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I’m sorry, but no you are not.
hmm.. how do you know? source on that?
And how does he know? Source on that?
Smart questions deserve smart answers.
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What manifesto? All I see now is just a well written PR sales talk, and apparently it worked very well.
Unfortunately it did work well…
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on behalf of the majority
I’m sorry, but no you are not.
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They are increasing stats on Legendary items. No more optional-anything. Legendary weaps are a must, and soon Legendary armor as well.
thought that wasn’t due for several months (next year basically) after they drip feed us the rest of the ascended armour etc when they introduce ascended
Well tomorrow or in 3 months, there isn’t much difference from my point of view. It’s still coming and is still making old gears obsolete. No more “I choose what part I play” phylosophy. It’s becoming “Anet chooses my playstyle for me”.
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imho This is not vertical progression it is horizontal. They are increasing stats of gear already in the game.
please show me where exactly in game right now are the items with ascended stats?
im sure they dont exist, but please show me…
They are increasing stats on Legendary items. No more optional-anything. Legendary weaps are a must, and soon Legendary armor as well.
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Ascended items are presumably intended to fill the investment gap between the two. i.e. they take a while longer to get than exotics, but not as long as Legendary items.
So in 3 months we will get new tier, Intense gear which are introduced to fill the gap between Ascended and Legendary. These Intense one will take longer than Ascended but less than Legendary.
And then in another 3 months we will get Primal filling the gap between Intense and Legendary… Rince and repeat…
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I pretty much have to say the same things as others. It’s a disgrace! Big fat disgrace!
I’m wondering since Ascended is higher tier than exotics and since Legendaries will be stronger (stat-wise) than exotic/ascended, why is Legendary made from Exotic weapons? With this new “mid-tier” shouldn’t the receipe be changed to create Legendary from Ascended? I won’t really be surprised if they really do that. Nothing can surprise me from them anymore.
They said “no new tiers every 3 months”. But they also said “no gear grind”. I’m expecting new tier in mid-february.
As others have stated: I can’t trust Anet anymore, after they lied to me in the face!
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I’m playing a necro and this has also happened to me in TA trying to shoot Blossoms. Even though I’m on same ground level as the flowers I get Obstructed message. I’m using a scepter.
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Huhu…. I’ve been using wells for a while now, and I haven’t noticed this. I saw mobs healing themselves but I saw no green numbers around them.
Wow! Do we have a skill that isn’t broken?
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This has been reported on the forums before
But the post got buried and no reply from the mods. So I’m guessing they’ve missed it.
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I have two bugs when I visit the forums list.
First is that Bugs forum is in German, but I saw forum mod already replied to that.
Second is that User forum shows no description and no title.
Here is a screenshot.
[img]http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/2654/forumbugs.png[/img]
If it helps, I’m using Opera 12.02 build 1578 on win7 64bit
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I switched servers hopping that this SP wouldn’t be broken on the other server, but it is. Any chance this will be fixed any time soon?
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I read that some people “fixed” this by going to Chantry of Secrets or teleporting to a city. Don’t know if it will work for you.
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I think they are, but with so many more important bugs, I don’t think this one is on their priority list. Then again, who knows.
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