Guild Wars 2

Craptrain.7203:

The answer to the first is none.

The answer to the second one is not. Lots of balance changes have been made due to sPvP whining. Heck, go to the sPvP sub-forum now and you can see dev posts ASKING for people to suggest balancing changes. No joke.

And saying that no games have been balanced due to 1v1 dueling complaints is incredibly naive.

I will not argue that, hence why I said “I hope the answer is ‘None’” and I will say that is a bone headed move by a DEV to do such things.

I am not a huge fan of dueling. You will never see me spend hours standing around in a circle fight clubbing.

The thing is I see no harm in adding it as long as the two conditions I stated before apply: an ignore feature and Anet having the stance that it will never be balanced.

Craptrain.7203:

Banono.4597:

Craptrain.7203:

Big no to PvE dueling.

The last thing we need is a bunch of people who lost duels due to poor builds, wrong food choices, or being undergeared coming on the forums to whine about how X class is OP because they lost to it. It’s bad enough that we have noobs from hot join doing this, and there food is absent and gear is standardized.

You want to duel? Go to a dueling PvP server. At least there’s a semblance of balance there.

People are complaining that there isn’t dueling. So, by that logic we should add it to shut us up, right?

If QQ is a reason to exclude something, then lets first just scrap the living world idea because 50% of the threads here are someone not liking something about it, get rid of thieves, get rid of ascended gear… I could go on.

If Anet were to add this I would expect two things.

1). an ignore feature.
2). A post saying “Here it guys! Keep in mind this is NOT a supported PvP mode and will NOT be balanced.”

Answer me this question: what balancing has happened because of a lack of dueling? Now answer this one: what balancing has happened because of QQing on the forums?

Maybe you see my point now? See how horribly you misinterpreted it?

I would hope the answer would be “None” to both of those questions.

The first one because obviously it doesn’t exist. The second one because people QQ on the forums about EVERYTHING. Paper says scissors is OP, scissors says rock is, and rock as you probably have guessed wants that paper nerf.

Again this is not some radical new idea. It has been in MMOs since forever, and none of them balance their game for 1v1. You can go into those games forums and watch most the QQ oon the subject get shut down with that very fact.

Craptrain.7203:

Big no to PvE dueling.

The last thing we need is a bunch of people who lost duels due to poor builds, wrong food choices, or being undergeared coming on the forums to whine about how X class is OP because they lost to it. It’s bad enough that we have noobs from hot join doing this, and there food is absent and gear is standardized.

You want to duel? Go to a dueling PvP server. At least there’s a semblance of balance there.

People are complaining that there isn’t dueling. So, by that logic we should add it to shut us up, right?

If QQ is a reason to exclude something, then lets first just scrap the living world idea because 50% of the threads here are someone not liking something about it, get rid of thieves, get rid of ascended gear… I could go on.

If Anet were to add this I would expect two things.

1). an ignore feature.
2). A post saying “Here it guys! Keep in mind this is NOT a supported PvP mode and will NOT be balanced.”

Atlas.9704:

Oh don’t worry I won’t take offense because I’ve already stated my mind on it.
In fact my post history still reflects that even in earlier discussions about this.
I just always want to make sure that if such a thing is put in it will be done correctly and will benefit the game modes so players have a richer experience.

I for one might never play duels, but if WvW finally received an update for instanced dueling or even if Arenas could allow PvE equipment I’d say “good on ya”.

Sadly though I give this thread a day before it gets merged into the other duel thread lol.

lol I am sure it will and a few infractions handed out for something (I always seem to get infractions that make me wonder how there are trolls still alive in here, but I am getting off topic here… Uh oh!)

I just want to be able to have quick and easy duels. I know we could make duels happen in Spvp, but it is lame. As mentioned different builds and gear, but also you have to buy the tokens, make the server, get in the server and what if you want to duel your necro buddy after a few rounds with the warrior friend?

It is just a pain in the kitten , you know? Being able to just right click, pick duel and 3 seconds later you and a buddy are going at it, just sounds so much better and will be used so much more in my opinion.

Atlas.9704:

Banono.4597:

I have heard people say “I don’t want to see people fighting in my PvE world.” and to that I can only say; How do you live with costume brawls?

Costume brawls which rarely, if ever show up on the PvE map, but mostly in Lion’s Arch?
Seriously I don’t remember ever seeing anyone do Costume Brawl outside of Lion’s Arch because they know of the dangers that reside in doing that “outside”.

I just simply shrug because they aren’t in the outside game world, but rather an instanced area. Which is why I recommend that any dueling component be put in a instanced spot.

You are exactly right. People tend to avoid areas that will interfere with what they are doing.

So, just like how right now people can costume brawl all over Tyria but don’t. Duels if implemented will be centered around a few select areas that favor uninterrupted 1v1 fights.

My point is, it is not going to hurt anyone if they add this. I get it a lot of people hate PvP and that is awesome for them. Give those people ways to ignore it, but to me it seems selfish to openly try to shoot down something another group of players would love to see all because YOU (Not necessarily you, Atlas) don’t like it.

@Diekido – By all means let those kittens taste the hammer. If they are harassing someone they should be gone.

Hell Avenger.7021:

Panda Shepard.1248:

Celtus.8456:

it creates a certain community

Yes, it does. That’s part of what I’m afraid of.

Just let there be an option to be turn off dueling requests and not see duels happening. I don’t care otherwise.

it promotes kitten mentality or school yard bully mentality. There is enough of that in WVW, where 29 years old act like 16 picking on others.

May I see evidence from one of the many MMOs that has allowed open world dueling that this sort of behavior is normal? Because this seems to be a big fear for the anti dueling crowd, and I think it is a straw man, as I have played many MMOs with this feature and it has never been a problem.

Again, I am sure there will be a few cases of people being jerks. It happens on the internet for many reasons, but you know something beautiful thing about this game? You can ignore them or report them for harassment and POOF! Problem is gone.

I have heard people say “I don’t want to see people fighting in my PvE world.” and to that I can only say; How do you live with costume brawls?

Wryog.5073:

I got a reason better than “but balance”. Ever thought what would happen if duels were made official? A bunch of qq posts would flood the forums about how imbalanced this game is for 1v1. Anet are just saving themselves from a huge headache. 1v1 the ability for eles to instakill/instadown people would be OP. Mesmers would be ridiculous. St unlock warriors would be just lolmode. At the same time those are relatively balanced in the rest of the game.

Sorry, I don’t get your first sentence. As it seems to be contradicted two sentences later, but the Pro Duel people are right. Just look at the WvW forums. The cries for nerf are already there.

Do you really think people have a problem with thieves in WvW because they are amazing in sieges? Or because we have so much utility? Nope, they want thieves nerfed because 1v1 they are one of the best.

I have played just about every major MMO ever and most of them had the option to duel.
Were they balanced for it? Nope.
Did people QQ on forums because they got smashed by a class better suited for 1v1? You bet.
Did I see the horrible game changing things alot of people in this thread are saying will happen if this is implemented? No.

So really guys… Let them eat cake!

“I have done ALL event achievments so far. ALL of them.”

To be honest I think that quote sums up your problem.

No one asked you to do them.
They are there for people who do enjoy the mini-games to get some AP.

Sorry, for generalizing here, but in my guild the most vocal people against all these frequent updates are people who like you have done all the achievements for every update. How you guys don’t get burned out is a testament to your love for this game, so do I like do and cherry pick what you do in-game.

I hate jumping puzzles! I refuse to do them.

Am I mad they have tons of achievements linked to them? No, because I can still do the things I do enjoy in game.

The living story is not pulistzer prize winning by any means, but it does advance the story and the updates for this game are so frequent you can have a patch or two not be your cup of tea. Because in two weeks there will be another one and then another one and then another one…

ProphetSword.5427:

I really don’t care if others want to duel. Each person finds their own enjoyment in games like these. But, if it was ever implemented, the only thing I would demand is that there be an option to “Ignore Duel Requests” so that people like me don’t have to be bothered by it.

But, seriously, if a couple of people want to kill each other for kicks, go for it.

More people should be like you!

I would probably rarely use the feature, but as long as you have a ignore option, why not? It doesn’t prevent you from doing what you like, and might bring in some new people and give existing players one more thing to do to avoid burnout.

The only bad thing I can possibly imagine is QQ from sore losers, and as long as Anet is not stupid and balances the game for people 1v1ing, I can just ignore that problem literally.

I don’t see what it could add to the game even with a opt out option. People will expect you to turn it on, and it will breed elitism.

This is of course my opinion which could be wrong, but please tell me what it can add to the game that can’t be achieved with some ctrl+clicks.

No, god no!

If someone needs to know what gear people have for speed runs they can just ask. All adding this feature will do is make the game a cookie cutter you must have this gear and build to ride, and F all that.
I use almost full zerker and rarely die (I play da thiefz gud!), and with inspecting I can see it now “OMG change your gear!” “Your build is terrible!”.

Might as well add gearscore while your add it. I know that I am using a slippery slope argument but really inspecting is all that is needed to make such a system.

Please start making light/medium variants for any new skins. The one skin fits all skins are always heavy looking and look terrible on anything but heavy armor users.

I don’t know about the whole “The game is turning into a platformer” deal, but I personally hate JP’s and avoid all content in which I have to jump platform to platform.

You could lose your account tot he hacker and get banned for gold selling. That is probably the worst case scenario.

Traveller.7496:

I tried it, but the PvP mystic forge did not accept any of the PvP skins. I don’t care for medium/heavy armors or weapons I don’t use, but I would like the chance to get different light armor pieces for PvP use, if just for stuff like Sanctum sprint.

You need to salvage them with the PvP kit, and then you can use the mats salvaged in the MF.

One thing I have noticed with most new armor skins , is that they tend to favor heavy armor users when they make a “One size fits all”-type skin.

As a medium armor user I am always passing up the cool new stuff because it simply looks out of place with everything else I am wearing due to being very bulky like heavy armor.

So, I am hoping this thread can bring some attention to this. I know the Anet devs are not going to go back and re-do the old skins, but going forward please Anet, start making some light and medium variations.

I say go to the mists, check out the PvP locker and preview them all with the 3 pieces they have made already to see which set you like better.

I know I have.

ko killer.3692:

Shout out to Moon, OTSB, and Flux for the lovely teebagging and rams you through on my body

I am sure they did it to be meanie poopoo heads, and it had nothing to do with your mate spamming /laugh.

Fujikura.6754:

I only request one thing and that is for TC and FA to show some small respect. I have noticed today so far there are a few guilds on TC one with tag INCV I believe that will /laugh when they kill players. This will be like a 40 man zerg versus 15-20 people on SoS. Granted were not as strong as we used to be because of players migrating to other servers. When I kill players and it was a good fight they deserve respect. Please /bow

Pot, I would like you to meet my friend kettle. Yes, I know he is black in color…

I was in SoSBL last night and it seems you guys love your emotes too from what I seen. Only real difference is you do them to people who are still alive then run back into the garrison.

Edit; Not that any of this matters, since it is probably done for laughs, just saying, don’t call out the two other servers when you guys are doing it too.

xDudisx.5914:

You are talking about open field battles, its completely different from focus all your forces in DB towers.

What 3 waypoints are you talking about?

The 3 clustered near Pangloss. Now, that I think about it, I am pretty sure those are from the jump puzzle, yeah?

I never go in those things.

xDudisx.5914:

looks like FA and TC like to work together agaist DB. No its not because we are in first place, it happens even when we are in second or third. of course its not the entire server but I wonder if some guilds from FA and TC are using the same ts to plan atks in DB.
When TC get SM FA almost never atk them, even knowing that is hard for them defend their land and SM. when DB has SM FA and TC will atk SM and our 1/3 of the map

I am not even going to touch the content in your post, because it is too silly, but what is with the three extra contested WP’s on your map?

Same here. In the middle of WvW and then POOF!

My friend last Friday was going to buy this game and decided to check the forums out before taking the plunge and read a post just like this one and decided to spend his money on something else. Because he read this game is dead in low levels.

Yesterday he was over and told me about how he wants to play the game, but not if he has to “grind” alone for a month before he could have fun with others because he feels the point of an MMO is to play with people, so, I did a test.

I let him pick any spot on the world map and I would teleport there and we would see how “Dead” the game really was. After about the fourth waypoint he just shook his head and said “I am never reading forums again.”. He is buying the game with his next paycheck.

Every WP I used had at least one guy standing AFK in the spot you spawn and others running around nearby doing events. If the game feels dead you are just on the wrong server.

Ungood.3054:

I would be amazed if WvW ranking was even considered when a player who enjoys PvE picks a server. Friends > All other things.

Very true.

I was talking about anyone picking a server in my post. (Making up numbers here.) 9/10 people who pick a specific server picked it because they know someone from there and the other 10% would fall into that “Special interest” category.

That is why the first question is confusing since OP doesn’t want people to answer with the real reason why they picked the server they did.

Question number one doesn’t make much sense. People have to pick a server and being with friends and guildies is easily the number one reason with special interests such as WvW standings, RP, or event farming being a distant second.

The rest of your questions seem to be asking why don’t people flock to WvW. While WvW is easily my favorite part of the game it is not for everyone. Things like having a rig that can’t run that many people to just generally hating PvP (Alot of people dn’t like to compete with others in video games.) are all big reasons why there are more PvEers than WvWers. Lastly some people just need a carrot dangled in front of them and WvW has none.

As been said 100 times. You buy it for the looks. This whole thread reminds me of this scene from Don’t Be a Menace.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uIiDwSt0FQ

“You don’t like? You don’t buy.”

No idea what the Op is talking about. My server is full of people all zones all hours.

With that said, as much as I love new people TC is pretty full, so if you do pick a new server try the other ones suggested, unless you are into RPing then by all means get over here!

Sitting in chairs.

/crossarms
/hands on hips
/smile
/nod (Kinda in game but the emote says “Character agrees.” just a nod would be perfect)
/sigh
/giggle (Laugh is in, but a quieter giggle maybe covering their mouth.)
/toast or /drink (Pulls out a cup and takes a drink.)
/crouch (Maybe they just take a knee, since /kneel is a bit submissive looking with the head down and on both knees.)

And lastly stances from a chest out heroic pose. To a slouched relaxed one. Just something to give a little extra character to our characters.

penatbater.4710:

I often see people RPing in open world. I wanna try to join them, but they seem to be rather intimidating, and they seem to be in their own world already :|

There are some people that are in their own little worlds when they RP, but alot of people would love more characters to jump in while they are RPing.
If you haven’t tried this already, I would suggest posting a quick emote in /e letting the people know you are in character some along the lines of “Banono weary from the road stops to catch her breath by the fire.” (Or something that fits where ever you may be.).

When I RP in the open world I see alot of people run up, stop and stare for a few minutes before running off again, and I am not sure if they are going AFK, just an observer, or wanting in.

@Knight. Thanks for making this thread. I hope maybe we can get a Dev response on if they do have any plans for us RPers. Because we are some of the easiest people to please. All we need is some pretty clothes, a few animated emotes, and a troll free environment to entertain us for years.

knight.4379:

Rhysati.4932:

RP is everywhere on TC. I don’t have the faintest clue how you could not be finding it. There is a very strong community of large RP based guilds that worth together in one big community. We have ministers, seraphs, criminals, business owners, noble houses, etc. RP is very much so alive and well and I frequently run into people RPing in the weirdest of locales.

Look in the taverns in DR and Ebonhawke. Look in the taverns in Queensdale. Those seem to be the most popular locations that I have seen, but there is frequently RP throughout the world.

Please refer to my previous comment. Do you really see Rpers in Orr? In WvW? In
Gendarren fields etc? Idk where your playing but I see no RP in those areas.

I have personally RPed in Gendarren Fields, and it lead to others joining in with me and my friend, but this was before guesting was put in. The other two places you mentioned are a bit different.

Orr on TC just doesn’t make sense. It is supposed to be the scariest place on Tyria with Risen totally over running it, but instead in game with all the guesting and farming going on, it feels more like we are invaders of the last refuge for the Risen playing whack-a-mole as soon as they come up out of the ground.

I was able to RP a little in WvW, but PvPing and emoting is tough and the people hardcore into the WvW ranking get all pissy over it.

I really wish Anet would give us an official RP server. One with a naming policy and strict rules against trolling. Because the last time I did open world RP it eventually turned into emoting in party chat because RPing in /e or /s was like a dinner bell for trolls.

In my experience with MMO’s the squeaky wheel gets the grease, so I suggest us RPers get more vocal or else we will just fade away to other games. We want more emotes, more social clothing, and the biggest one for me is a place where like minded people can be free of those who only wish to ruin our fun.

I predict alot of flames and jock riding coming soon to this thread, but I’ll bite.

My vote (I am from TC by the way.) is for Commander Commander Jadon. Not only is his name fun to say, but he is a good leader and can take control of a map. Also I like guys in pink.

@OP, guild missions and a new SPvP map is only a week away, as far as population goes Lions Arch on my server sends me to overflow every time I zone in (Tarnished Coast is my server.), and I never feel alone while running around in the world.

My advice is maybe change servers if the population is leaving more to be desired and see how next week goes with the guild and SPvP updates.

phaneo.4597:

How about Mae Young and her lovely child she gave birth to at almost 90… “The Hand”?

YES! YES! YES!

GreyFreeman.2516:

Oh, yes. The Naked Zerg did, in fact, happen.

Yay!

Someone posted a picture. I was kicking myself for not taking a screenshot. Thanks for the fun night in TCBL everyone there, enemies included.

Jayne.9251:

Lol share with the class … I haven’t logged back in yet.

I think he or she is talking about how after we took Hills. We stripped down and swam to the Bay for a naked zerg.

I came here expecting pics.

Facepalm…

OP, if you show someone that picture and they think it’s a in game shot you have some special friends. It is just a picture showing off the massive exodus of refugees from a disaster, nothing more nothing less. Like Regina said it is to convey a mood for this update.

Let me guess ask you something. Do get mad at CGI trailers? Were you disappointed when SWTOR showed epic lightsaber duels, and in game was nothing like it? How about WoW when they had Ozzy and Mr T in their ads? Did you make a post demanding a Night Elf Mohawk?

Because most people find auto attacking a mob and having it die one hit boring. Most MMOs you “outlevel” an area and don’t go back because of it.

But you are right the term “Fun” is relative, but for most people face rolling mobs in low level zones gets boring fast hence them now being more with the adjustments. I for one agree with the changes and find them more fun.

I love this game because unlike WoW, me and my friends can play whatever content we want when we want.

I don’t have to grind a dungeon 30 times for a piece of gear just so I can do the next one. I don’t have to play like its a full time job to be competitive in PvP, and I can finally RP without feeling guilty because I am not “Progressing”.

I really wonder if people like the OP like playing MMOs or just like feeling more powerful than us casuals.

Even non color blind people can benefit from this. I find myself squinting sometimes in places like CoF to see the red circles over the reddish brown surfaces.

I do not see any reason for this not to happen.

Sam.9157:

UnderdogSMO.9428:

JoshuaRAWR.4653:

Pretty poor if that is the first event to introduce this patch.

“Fix some Signs, ok that’s it, wait now.”

Only day one dude. And if its anything like every other event thay have had in this game thay gradualy get bigger and bigger (unless your talking karka but that was so busted)

Day one or not, if all it is really is what the guy says “Fix some Signs, ok that’s it, wait now.”, that’s really really awful for an mmo in 2013 launching a new event with a patch.

P.S. The event is bugged on Tarnished Coast and doesn’t work in Diessa at all.

I am on TC and was wondering where the in-game letter was. Thanks for letting me know it’s bugged.

I WvW for the sake of having fun. It is my favorite part of this game with RP a close second. I guess I do not need a carrot dangling in front of me to enjoy myself, but if they wanted to add more rewards for WvW I am all for it.

SoggyFrog.4170:

If they are working on the problem, then there’s not much good telling them that there is one. They’ve said they are and they’ve said it recently. It also sounds like they’ve decided on an approach which means that proposing alternatives is unlikely to expedite the solution.

You realize there is no system in place to make transfers paid, and that shutting down transfers altogether just has its own can of worms, right?

This is a forum to discuss WvW and right now it has a HUGE problem. Don’t reply and bump these threads if you are tired of them, because people are not going to stop talking about it untill it is dealt with. We still don’t even know what they are going to do and when. So stop pretending this issue is fixed.

Edit; for the last bit, no, I did not know that, but that is not the players problem. They should have had some forethought and realized make something competitive people will exploit it anyway they can. Switching to the “winning” server is as simple as exploits can get.

Rhonin.1687:

oh yea, I loved the part “We’ll also be working on a number of other WvW features we’ll talk more about in the coming months once they’re closer to being implemented!” the most…MONTHS…ofcourse that can mean tomorrow, but come on, anyone in here that think those fixes will be here before christmas?

I really can’t understand what you mean with this post. Can you type it a little more clearly? I am being serious, because I too find the “We’ll -TALK- about more in the coming months” frightening and funny all in one.

I guess for Christmas we will get to know what they are doing…

SoggyFrog.4170:

The glue factory is making arrangements for the dead horse.

Thanks for the link, but we know they are looking into it. They told us they were over a month ago, yet here we are. My server is finally by the stars being perfectly aligned having a decent match-up, but it really is just by chance with the constant population shifts.

Drett.7564:

Please leave the dead horse alone

This dead horse is stinking up the joint and should be removed. I have not been around the last week, but it seems like the jury is still out on this… Which is pretty sad.

Am I the only one who hates Reddit’s format? Makes trying to glance over things almost impossible.

How is it surprising? TC is the NA RP server, so lets not even look at the fact that most RPers hate PvP by nature and look at it this way. We have another element that is keeping our players busy and not in WvW, and its called roleplaying. Most servers have a good split of PvE and PvP, TC has Pve, PvP and RP going on at all times. Yes, the server is full, but I have not seen a queue in the last few days of playing in the BL’s and only during primetime is there one for EB.

What are we looking at? Like many have said, I see a decent match, and I am jealous… Good luck blue!

Nabrok.9023:

Nevron.9413:

The bigger problem it’s generating is that the recipient servers are dominating their current match-ups due to the influx, making the current server ratings completely irrelevant in the determination of the match-ups.

That is an issue, but the ratings are moving fast and servers are likely to move up and down 3 to 4 places in this match. It’ll balance out.

And yes, we have groups of guilds/alliances moving together, but I don’t think we are seeing every single guild on one server moving to the same other server (which would be pointless). I think this is fine, we don’t need everything distributed equally among all servers. We just need to have groups of 3 to 6 servers that are roughly even.

It has not balanced and in fact keeps getting worse each week. What is happening is a bunch of guilds join a server bring that server to tier 1 then due to long queue times, Bandwagoneers, or just kitten and giggle drop down a tier or two, and start all over again. This is a process that is being repeated over and over, and the main reason is free transfer.

Mog.1589:

Nabrok.9023:

Overall server population is not necessarily related to WvW population. A lot of people in this part of the forum seem to forget that.

Can I have some of what your smoking? Please do explain how server pop has nothing to do with WvW. I will try to not laugh when I read it.

He does speak truth. Alot of servers are full and have barely any WvW presence. What the free transfers is messing up is the ranking, so there may never be the close fights that were intended.