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To avoid going around in circles as it’s clear you are one that will disagree with me lots here, lets just agree to disagree.
It’s clear that either:
a.) You don’t main a druid who searches for zerg fights and can force a push by downing half their frontline (this alone carries my weight)
b.) You just don’t care and are set on your own concept of a druid (which is perfectly fine, to each their own)
c.) You are just unaware as you have yet to come across a good druid that is NOT running a meta build, therefore not knowing what they are capable of (as I am also aware that meta druid builds are not that great in ZvZ fights…but I also never run meta…custom builds ftw)
Either way, looks like we are going to have to agree to disagree. Either way, fight a good fight mate
There is no druid build capable of “downing half their frontline” unless their frontline has all decided to afk and lets you free fire on them.
Taking it as a literal sense, then yes you are correct, however if you take it for the slight exaggeration that it was meant (as in I can down many frontline, thus helping the push to a great degree) then this stands true.
Again, many people grab a meta build and I am not arguing that all druid builds are capable of this feat that I am claiming, however to say that all druids are not capable of this feat is expressing either how many people use meta builds, thus not built to help much in a ZvZ, therefore helping create this misconception (its like saying all guys/girls are the same…which is untrue), or it got to the point where people have a permanent bad taste that it doesn’t matter how well a ranger/druid does as they will be dismissed against regardless.
Either way, I’ve been thanked from many people for doing what I do and it brings me great joy to be able to down 5 ppl at once despite the lack of strong aoe. As stated, I will just keep doing what I am doing. If you are red, you are dead, plain and simple
Any who, round and round we go so TAG, you are it.
My statement stands.
Ranger/druid can self buff for a large burst on a long cooldown but for a zerg fight you’d need GS to ensure it connects and it leaves the ranger extremely vulnerable because of the traitlines and blown cooldowns it requires. Longbow doesn’t work against organized groups. Too many of our weapons lack cleave and have low dps.Yes rangers can go glass and rapid fire into a pug zerg but the second a few players get organized and start rotating their blocks the ranger is kittened.
Must be the good thing about the tiers ive been in for the last few months…Maybe none have been that wise to do so. 11k – 12k (backline) and 8k (frontline average) rapid fire every 8 seconds to 5 ppl at a time up to 1500 units (after starting with a barrage to negate some front lines aegis). I suppose 8 seconds is a fairly long cooldown for that much damage, standing front to mid.
Seems like another agree to disagree case here.
Hey smurf… i love where he says longbow doesnt work against organized groups lol.. that made me giggle.. I mean come on..
Their zerg standing there enpowering, stacked ready to charge, two druids jump up (from our lines) and barrage them, rapid fire into them and they turn and run because they see 2-3 of their backline drop instantly (i know you have seen me and catt and others do this so many times on TC) and the enemy zerg freaks out, scatter and try to regroup… its comedy gold. Meanwhile, our main tanks see the downs, yell CHARGE!!! and we mow them over like bowling pins..
Am i bout right smurf ? heh
Thing that gets me is “I have no cleave”
To cleave is to hit multiple people at once (with 1 hit). Marksmanship provides my LB with just that. I can knockback and root 5 people at once. Last night during a ZvZ at SMC I took out 4 people with knockback + rapid fire + a couple of AA (while I had quickness). Took less than 3 seconds to do it (druid, DH, rev and tempest). I would say that’s cleave damage. I may not have hit as hard as some classes but again, doing my job and where I run Marauders, retal damage was nothing. Again, im only here to show that Druids are nothing to be scoffed at in a ZvZ scenario if they know what they are doing.
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The ranger is fine. The ranger’s frontline is what’s kittened :P
smurf, barrage doesn’t really do that much damage to a frontline or zerg-based group. They should be out-healing it almost passively. Again, I think this issue is a lack of understanding of just how far organized play counters the longbow and makes it self-inflicting in most cases.
Barrage is to help strip aegis, not really for damage, that’s kinda my strategy behind that
While I understand (and not arguing) that frontline druid/ranger is kittened (in fact I agree almost 100%), and there are better classes that do certain things, however for what the ranger/druid has to offer reminds me of an engi…jack of all trades sort of deal.
I don’t always stay in front most of the fight, however I do typically start at the, or near to, the front (mid fight I stay near the mid, or close enough to pierce to their backline). There is projectile hate (which once up, im quick to swap weps and once down I swap back) but not everyone in a zerg runs it (which is where selective targeting comes in).
My overall debate, is that druids are not useless and can carry their weight in a ZvZ if/when played right with a set up / build that is based around it (or close to). Im not saying that druids are or should be the #1 pick, but not to be scoffed at either. This is what I set out to prove when I roam in WvW and find a ZvZ, and from the outcomes and positive things said to me (even when im streaming/recording for references), I am one that does carry my weight for what I bring. I do see my fair share of bad druids that are clueless and druids that are great (these I love to see/face as I learn from them).
All in all, if a Druid knows how it works, and is having a good run in working it, then druids can be a valuable ally in a ZvZ (again, not stating #1 but at the same time, its not at the bottom and if a player knows how to play in a ZvZ setting, then they should be regarded as valuable).
That’s all I am trying to get at.
Anywho, fight the good fight guys, time to jump in WvW now I am revved up for some fun
To avoid going around in circles as it’s clear you are one that will disagree with me lots here, lets just agree to disagree.
It’s clear that either:
a.) You don’t main a druid who searches for zerg fights and can force a push by downing half their frontline (this alone carries my weight)
b.) You just don’t care and are set on your own concept of a druid (which is perfectly fine, to each their own)
c.) You are just unaware as you have yet to come across a good druid that is NOT running a meta build, therefore not knowing what they are capable of (as I am also aware that meta druid builds are not that great in ZvZ fights…but I also never run meta…custom builds ftw)
Either way, looks like we are going to have to agree to disagree. Either way, fight a good fight mate
There is no druid build capable of “downing half their frontline” unless their frontline has all decided to afk and lets you free fire on them.
Taking it as a literal sense, then yes you are correct, however if you take it for the slight exaggeration that it was meant (as in I can down many frontline, thus helping the push to a great degree) then this stands true.
Again, many people grab a meta build and I am not arguing that all druid builds are capable of this feat that I am claiming, however to say that all druids are not capable of this feat is expressing either how many people use meta builds, thus not built to help much in a ZvZ, therefore helping create this misconception (its like saying all guys/girls are the same…which is untrue), or it got to the point where people have a permanent bad taste that it doesn’t matter how well a ranger/druid does as they will be dismissed against regardless.
Either way, I’ve been thanked from many people for doing what I do and it brings me great joy to be able to down 5 ppl at once despite the lack of strong aoe. As stated, I will just keep doing what I am doing. If you are red, you are dead, plain and simple
Any who, round and round we go so TAG, you are it.
My statement stands.
Ranger/druid can self buff for a large burst on a long cooldown but for a zerg fight you’d need GS to ensure it connects and it leaves the ranger extremely vulnerable because of the traitlines and blown cooldowns it requires. Longbow doesn’t work against organized groups. Too many of our weapons lack cleave and have low dps.Yes rangers can go glass and rapid fire into a pug zerg but the second a few players get organized and start rotating their blocks the ranger is kittened.
Must be the good thing about the tiers ive been in for the last few months…Maybe none have been that wise to do so. 11k – 12k (backline) and 8k (frontline average) rapid fire every 8 seconds to 5 ppl at a time up to 1500 units (after starting with a barrage to negate some front lines aegis). I suppose 8 seconds is a fairly long cooldown for that much damage, standing front to mid.
Seems like another agree to disagree case here.
To avoid going around in circles as it’s clear you are one that will disagree with me lots here, lets just agree to disagree.
It’s clear that either:
a.) You don’t main a druid who searches for zerg fights and can force a push by downing half their frontline (this alone carries my weight)
b.) You just don’t care and are set on your own concept of a druid (which is perfectly fine, to each their own)
c.) You are just unaware as you have yet to come across a good druid that is NOT running a meta build, therefore not knowing what they are capable of (as I am also aware that meta druid builds are not that great in ZvZ fights…but I also never run meta…custom builds ftw)
Either way, looks like we are going to have to agree to disagree. Either way, fight a good fight mate
There is no druid build capable of “downing half their frontline” unless their frontline has all decided to afk and lets you free fire on them.
Taking it as a literal sense, then yes you are correct, however if you take it for the slight exaggeration that it was meant (as in I can down many frontline, thus helping the push to a great degree) then this stands true.
Again, many people grab a meta build and I am not arguing that all druid builds are capable of this feat that I am claiming, however to say that all druids are not capable of this feat is expressing either how many people use meta builds, thus not built to help much in a ZvZ, therefore helping create this misconception (its like saying all guys/girls are the same…which is untrue), or it got to the point where people have a permanent bad taste that it doesn’t matter how well a ranger/druid does as they will be dismissed against regardless.
Either way, I’ve been thanked from many people for doing what I do and it brings me great joy to be able to down 5 ppl at once despite the lack of strong aoe. As stated, I will just keep doing what I am doing. If you are red, you are dead, plain and simple
Any who, round and round we go so TAG, you are it.
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How do you think a shout/survival hybrid would fare (dual ranged options)
I understand that the boons are better on the wh and there is 2 forms of stealth with sword/wh vs. LB only having one. Still good condi cleanse and despite the vine surge removing immob, its the hard CC’s I come across a lot so I replaced Guard with Lightning Reflexes. If CA coodlown wasn’t touched I wouldn’t care so much.
Please let me know what you think? (I swap between Entangle and SotP pending on what I go up against)
I also realize that the stealth from LB isn’t as realiable, however 1500 range is too much to ignore and where I can get a good 10k+ rapid fire burst, I can’t swap.
Although the defensive part of Wilderness survival is def welcoming to Druid right now.
Please look/help my build senpai
You have a pretty solid build there, man. Living the life on zerkstyle!
You have more condition cleanse than my build due to Wilderness Knowledge, pretty solid.
The only change i’d make there is the sigil of incapacitation. I really don’t see a reason to have those since you are running both ranged weapons, so you won’t have any issue hitting your targets and is not like they can runaway from you on longbow since you can trigger ancient seeds anytime you want once they are on the run. I’d swap those sigil for air or blood, tbh.Longbow is a great weapon, i use it sometimes also. My only beef with it is that its a projectile weapon and everyone run reflects in WvW and i don’t know why.
Keep up the good roaming, man.
Heya and thanks for taking a look at it (im the dude who commented on your YT vid about going staff/lb and asked for your opinion there but ist easier for me to ask here, lol).
I chose that sigil do to other druids/zerkers and anything that stealth that have more mobility than I to help keep their speed down so I can stay ranged as much as possible as I do best at range. I was thinking endurance instead for the protection on dodge, however if someone does run (as lots of people do, especially those durned teefs, I want to be able to slow them down so I can catch up and kill em (where I don’t have sword to go ballerina to catch up).
I personally hate dueling druids (prior to this build) as it always ended up in a stale mate and I wanted to be able to 1 up them. I don’t know many good druids to spar against tho so I don’t have much practice. I see other classes more in WvW.
Ah ic, so you do have a purpose behind the incapacitation sigil. So keep it on, for sure.
Strange, i run mostly into druids and mesmers nowsday.I see lots of them as well. Usually get 3 out or 4 wins with them. Hopefully some day I can run into ya and learn from a druid that I know is better than me so I can fight ya and learn. Druid isn’t in the best place but I will be darned if I let mine die.
#Druid4life
We are still in a good place. Whenever you think we are in a bad place, remember of all necros’s nerf since day 1. lol
We can setup some duels for practice if you feel like doing it. Are in against JQ ? Msg me in-game whenever, better than we flood this post.I was facing JQ last week but all I found was zergs.
With the build, do you think that the sigil I chose is a good enough reason to keep it or do you think that endurance or another one is better suited for the set up?
Was also debating this…closer to yours but a bit different:
Aw, missed by 1 week.
Honestly if it was me running that build, i’d still swap the incapacitation over something else. Probably air or blood.
Regards the build, i think the survival one is stronger since you are running with 0 boon duration.
I usually use blood and air. I may just use something for now and see if I need more DPS or healing. Thanks for your input and I will look ya up. (may have met ya in Auric Basin and already have ya in my list lol).
How do you think a shout/survival hybrid would fare (dual ranged options)
I understand that the boons are better on the wh and there is 2 forms of stealth with sword/wh vs. LB only having one. Still good condi cleanse and despite the vine surge removing immob, its the hard CC’s I come across a lot so I replaced Guard with Lightning Reflexes. If CA coodlown wasn’t touched I wouldn’t care so much.
Please let me know what you think? (I swap between Entangle and SotP pending on what I go up against)
I also realize that the stealth from LB isn’t as realiable, however 1500 range is too much to ignore and where I can get a good 10k+ rapid fire burst, I can’t swap.
Although the defensive part of Wilderness survival is def welcoming to Druid right now.
Please look/help my build senpai
You have a pretty solid build there, man. Living the life on zerkstyle!
You have more condition cleanse than my build due to Wilderness Knowledge, pretty solid.
The only change i’d make there is the sigil of incapacitation. I really don’t see a reason to have those since you are running both ranged weapons, so you won’t have any issue hitting your targets and is not like they can runaway from you on longbow since you can trigger ancient seeds anytime you want once they are on the run. I’d swap those sigil for air or blood, tbh.Longbow is a great weapon, i use it sometimes also. My only beef with it is that its a projectile weapon and everyone run reflects in WvW and i don’t know why.
Keep up the good roaming, man.
Heya and thanks for taking a look at it (im the dude who commented on your YT vid about going staff/lb and asked for your opinion there but ist easier for me to ask here, lol).
I chose that sigil do to other druids/zerkers and anything that stealth that have more mobility than I to help keep their speed down so I can stay ranged as much as possible as I do best at range. I was thinking endurance instead for the protection on dodge, however if someone does run (as lots of people do, especially those durned teefs, I want to be able to slow them down so I can catch up and kill em (where I don’t have sword to go ballerina to catch up).
I personally hate dueling druids (prior to this build) as it always ended up in a stale mate and I wanted to be able to 1 up them. I don’t know many good druids to spar against tho so I don’t have much practice. I see other classes more in WvW.
Ah ic, so you do have a purpose behind the incapacitation sigil. So keep it on, for sure.
Strange, i run mostly into druids and mesmers nowsday.I see lots of them as well. Usually get 3 out or 4 wins with them. Hopefully some day I can run into ya and learn from a druid that I know is better than me so I can fight ya and learn. Druid isn’t in the best place but I will be darned if I let mine die.
#Druid4life
We are still in a good place. Whenever you think we are in a bad place, remember of all necros’s nerf since day 1. lol
We can setup some duels for practice if you feel like doing it. Are in against JQ ? Msg me in-game whenever, better than we flood this post.
I was facing JQ last week but all I found was zergs.
With the build, do you think that the sigil I chose is a good enough reason to keep it or do you think that endurance or another one is better suited for the set up?
Was also debating this…closer to yours but a bit different:
How do you think a shout/survival hybrid would fare (dual ranged options)
I understand that the boons are better on the wh and there is 2 forms of stealth with sword/wh vs. LB only having one. Still good condi cleanse and despite the vine surge removing immob, its the hard CC’s I come across a lot so I replaced Guard with Lightning Reflexes. If CA coodlown wasn’t touched I wouldn’t care so much.
Please let me know what you think? (I swap between Entangle and SotP pending on what I go up against)
I also realize that the stealth from LB isn’t as realiable, however 1500 range is too much to ignore and where I can get a good 10k+ rapid fire burst, I can’t swap.
Although the defensive part of Wilderness survival is def welcoming to Druid right now.
Please look/help my build senpai
You have a pretty solid build there, man. Living the life on zerkstyle!
You have more condition cleanse than my build due to Wilderness Knowledge, pretty solid.
The only change i’d make there is the sigil of incapacitation. I really don’t see a reason to have those since you are running both ranged weapons, so you won’t have any issue hitting your targets and is not like they can runaway from you on longbow since you can trigger ancient seeds anytime you want once they are on the run. I’d swap those sigil for air or blood, tbh.Longbow is a great weapon, i use it sometimes also. My only beef with it is that its a projectile weapon and everyone run reflects in WvW and i don’t know why.
Keep up the good roaming, man.
Heya and thanks for taking a look at it (im the dude who commented on your YT vid about going staff/lb and asked for your opinion there but ist easier for me to ask here, lol).
I chose that sigil do to other druids/zerkers and anything that stealth that have more mobility than I to help keep their speed down so I can stay ranged as much as possible as I do best at range. I was thinking endurance instead for the protection on dodge, however if someone does run (as lots of people do, especially those durned teefs, I want to be able to slow them down so I can catch up and kill em (where I don’t have sword to go ballerina to catch up).
I personally hate dueling druids (prior to this build) as it always ended up in a stale mate and I wanted to be able to 1 up them. I don’t know many good druids to spar against tho so I don’t have much practice. I see other classes more in WvW.
Ah ic, so you do have a purpose behind the incapacitation sigil. So keep it on, for sure.
Strange, i run mostly into druids and mesmers nowsday.
I see lots of them as well. Usually get 3 out or 4 wins with them. Hopefully some day I can run into ya and learn from a druid that I know is better than me so I can fight ya and learn. Druid isn’t in the best place but I will be darned if I let mine die.
#Druid4life
