Guild Wars 2

coso.9173:

is it that hated? I think it looks entertaining. I’ve always been a big fan of a more strategic approach rather than UGH KILL FAST. and this definitely requires a strategy and a preparation. it’s like setting a trap with a glass of water on top of the door and wait giggling till someone opens it and gets soaked XD

Pending on what toon im on, I make it a point to kill ghost teefs when I see em. Saw 2 roaming the other day but me and a rev buddy of mine smoked em. They were better 1v1 than 2v2

AikijinX.6258:

Update: I have the video Edited and ready to be shown. I just need to add some finishing touches.

I may have peed a little in excitement lol.

Odokuro.5049:

Looking for the appropriate build for the, “Never leaves stealth once”, “Trap/Condi spammer”, build.

Yes I know it’s stupidly easy to use
Yes I know it may make me fall asleep using it
Yes I know people will more than likely report me for, “Hacking”.

But, I want be that guy who people HATE seeing in WvW, and who better to do that, then a build that allows you to stay in stealth 24/7 even in combat, while delivering pain/bombs onto targets, ect.

Thanks!

Once ya get revealed, you have 1.28s to bail or be killed xD

And a tip…dont use SR…its easy to reveal or knock ya out of it.

Now if they remove the grandmaster trait that grants burn with crit and make it with straight up hit%, my build is set

Straegen.2938:

Bigpapasmurf.5623:

Its gimmiky and played by those either bored or just want to troll (I play this when im really bored in wvw) or by those that can’t thief (those that play it seriously). Its also typically a vanilla thief due to the traits it needs to sustain 100% stealth uptime.

There is a hybrid version that is a bit clunky but straight up deadly… it just got a very nice buff. After we tested it in duels we came away impressed. An average player has no prayer against it and a good player has virtually no chance to kill it even with a reveal.

I haven’t seen any other variation aside form the trapper and the dps “almost 100% uptime”

skystorm.9280:

Could someone please tell me what Ghost Thief is?

Its a thief build that utilizes 100% stealth up time. Mainly using the condi variant,using caltrops/traps and steal, all which inflicts no physical damage…thus never breaking stealth. You could technically kill someone/stomp and they will never see your character.

Its gimmiky and played by those either bored or just want to troll (I play this when im really bored in wvw) or by those that can’t thief (those that play it seriously). Its also typically a vanilla thief due to the traits it needs to sustain 100% stealth uptime.

Hitman.5829:

Don’t expect any valance patch on the thief, the developers love to play their thieves that is why they make the thieves strong.

Same could be said about Anets favorite child: Warrior

Def a buff for ghost teefs. Fought one last night…couldn’t quite kill me (HGH engi ftw). He tried me and a rev friend. After what seemed like forever we finally got him. He came back with another ghost teef friend so we fought 2. Killed em faster this time. They kept coming back and dying (after like 5 minutes).

I used to play a ghost teef when I was bored so not in any seriousness as its one of those builds you play seriously when you are no good as a teef.

They eventually roamed with a DPS zerker. THAT was a pain in the kitten .

Baldrick.8967:

Digikid.7230:

Example vendor for WvW: 100 unspent rank points + 500 badges of honor + 60 gold = 1 ascended weapon or piece of armor, that way theres something for long time players to dump points into, and get ascended gear at the same time!

Knock off the 60 gold part. Maybe 5 gold. Us wvw players are poor!

IMO I would say something like 20-25g instead (depending on piece…coats would be the 25g) would be fine. Upwards would be too much.

Scared me for a bit too, was a DD going after a druid and I thought I was being AC’d as there was red circles so I did a shadow step stomp and prayed I didnt die to them before I did my stomp,lol.

Couldn’t find the AC and was confused til I dropped my Pistol 5 and it was a red circle (5 times out of 6 it was a red circle).

This was in every BL

AikijinX.6258:

Bigpapasmurf.5623:

AikijinX.6258:

Thanks guys, and Bigpapasmurf I would gladly love to show you If you add me in game AikijinX.6258 I can go over some components, you may or may not have known about in terms of increasing damage while maintaining a good set of Vit, which honestly is pretty straight forward.

And Cygnus this is actually why I made a trailer like this to get potential viewers wanting more. Thank you for watching and enjoying! I will be releasing an extended version pretty soon this week!

I Added ya, i hope to catch ya on some day. Forgot to ask, you NA or EU?

Yes I hope to catch you sometime too! I have been dueling people nonstop this past week, a lot of people wanted to get a feel of the build and were skeptical that they themselves could actually be 1 shotted, until I demonstrated.

I am NA server. Playing on Maguuma. Although I am heavily considering an EU transfer in the future. Would like to spread my 1 shots globally hehe.

Sowing you wild one-shot oats huh? Hopefully I get a chance to get taught a few things before you do transfer (Im in SF)

EDIT: Just saw ya came online lol

AikijinX.6258:

Thanks guys, and Bigpapasmurf I would gladly love to show you If you add me in game AikijinX.6258 I can go over some components, you may or may not have known about in terms of increasing damage while maintaining a good set of Vit, which honestly is pretty straight forward.

And Cygnus this is actually why I made a trailer like this to get potential viewers wanting more. Thank you for watching and enjoying! I will be releasing an extended version pretty soon this week!

I Added ya, i hope to catch ya on some day. Forgot to ask, you NA or EU?

Hello All,

I am a “new-ish” Daredevil, have been trying to get into Daredevil again in WvW as I love the quick hit and spike aspect…almost adrenaline pumping when I fight others using it.

Over the last 2ish months, I have been tweaking my build (costing me a fortune in runes/sigils,lol) and now I am reaching o tuto the thief community so maybe save me some gold by having others look at my build and give solid ideas with good reasons.

This is what I am currently running. I do swap my DD grandmaster from BD to UC from time to time, unsure which is better, I love the speed boost of the dash, but the stealth combo of BD and xtra damage (when I land it) hurts. I also have a second build Ive been testing, more “balls to the wall” damage and same grandmaster issue.

I am asking someone look at both builds and maybe suggest something for each and explain why so we can open a discussion. The Rune is the same as teh extra vit and fero help me survive a bit longer and with near 100% crit chance (more on build 2 than build 1), it help me hurt them a lot.

First build (less DPS, more evade/survivability):

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vZAQNAoaan0MBFOhlOBGmC8PhFqia+6/+xvLBCgGwLE+gSA-TFCEQBI4IAQgHAg70HsRlgA4EA8j9HcoyP/p+DZA0HDA-w

Second build, more DPS, less survivability. Slower than build 1 when not using UH for dodge:

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vZAQNAoaan0MBFOhlOBGmC8PhlxiaO3D+ifbDLrO0bACgDA-TFCEQBE4BAggjAgDV+5P1fAwJAwd6D2oSwfs/AZA0HDA-

I don’t want to go full zerk as DD’s are squish enough as is. With build 1, I still get some swiftness on BD (6s) so its not as bad.

Any constructive responses will be really greatful

P.S. How to kill chronos (both DPS and condi)? … dem clones/reflect/evades/stealths getting in ma way.

Those fights are what I think of when I think Thief/Daredevil. Ive been trying to be half as good but the damage and vit, are you running full marauder? I woul dlove to at least know the build. Ive been playing my DD almost exclusively in WvW lately but can’t seem to pump out that much damage with that much vit.

TL:DR Teach me senpai

Digikid.7230:

Mylerian.9176:

Great for trolling enemy players that are trying to do the puzzle lol.

Do people still do the puzzle? Occasionally I go there hoping to mess with people but there’s never anyone around.

You are the kind of person my friends like to gank/attack. We never attack unless were attacked first. Golden rule…ppl are there for the JP, so leave them be to do it. I once saw ppl from 2 servers gang up on the 3rd cause they interrupted/trolled those doing the jp, lol…was fun to watch and participate. Reasons like that I tend to bring my pewpew druid or mes…lots of places to knock those trolls off from heights for an instant kill

Korgov.7645:

What do you miss out on when the enemy uses alt-F4?

The satisfaction of a stomp on someone you worked to down?

Starters, I very rarely play my necro/reaper. DO I like this skill…yes. Do I think its OP…heck no. It does have both a visual tell and a vocal tell. In a teamfight (playing vs necro/reaper) I may not be focusing on the reaper right away (although I do tend to lean toward them), and may miss the visual queue, however despite all the AOE/abilities…etc being dropped, I still do hear the vocal queue quite clearly. May also help to have more stun breakers (sometimes I carry 2/3 pending on my toon and build)

This is literally a l2p issue despite how it is argued. If you are NA and need to spar with someone playing with this elite, look me up. As I mentioned I dont play it much but I may still be able to help.

Vavume.8065:

Bigpapasmurf.5623:

The build looks interesting, so I may try it, however it seems to have a couple of flaws:

1.) Ranged pressure: (ie LB/Staff druid. You can be outranged and classes like druid have the stealth and mobility to reposition)

2.) Medium to heavy condi pressure: (small condi pressure you can eat, if a p/p engi gets half of his rotation off, you will drop)

3.) CC chains: I understand immob/crip you can clear/eat, however any half decent berserker, scrapper, staff rev will make it hard for you

4.) Projectile hate. This will shut the build down hard (focus tempest, scrapper, guard/DH…etc) Even shield berserkers if they read your rotations and time it, then follow up with CC’s and you are toast.

Despite all of this, I still am intrigued enough to try this and tweak it enough to at least remove 2 of what i listed. Thanks for the build.

When you try the build you will find that :

1) No one is out ranging you since you can re stealth at will and reposition yourself within range.

2) I have 5 condi clears, Escapist absolution, Shadow embrace (which I can get access to easily) and then Hide in shadows and shadowstep, both of which can quickly counter heavy condi bombs, and sigil of cleansing on my bow, so this build is about as anti condi as you are ever going to find on a thief, condi builds cannot kill me, the only build that is an issue is condi reaper, due to them throwing my condi back on me.

3) Just switch refuge for bandit defence.

4) Yeah projectile hate is a problem.

For me the biggest flaw in the build is actually any other build that runs heavy condi clear, because that will neutralize whatever you do.

I agree with some but not all:

1.) With the broken targeting system, any channeled attacks (such as rapid fire, unload…etc) will still connect when if you go stealth during it, thus possibly still downing you.

2.) With any condi build I play myself (obv not everyone plays the way I do) when I build condi builds, I build them for heavy sustain. I had this build tested by myself and a friend of mine, and mu non daredevil condi sustain was too much for the daredevil. (that and I tend time my bursts/bombs)

3.) going vs berserkers, BD will only get you so far as chain CC will still get you. Just needs to be timed after BD (this was part of my test)

4.) Agree

If it works for some, thats great and I hope to come across this as it is an interesting build. Like any build it has its weakness but it seems that its true to the daredevil way as 1 mistake and its game over. Imo, its too high of risk for the reward but i applaud someone making/tweaking a non meta build and I hope to see more from ya.

Nightingale.8364:

To those who are saying that “amulets reduce variety” i’d say that you are wrong. At the moment once you are in wvw and have farmed all your gear you have no way of changing without going back and re farming all the “new” things you want. You are stuck with 2 maybe 3 viable builds that you can run. With an amulet system you could change in a matter of seconds, allowing you alot more freedom and adaptability to different situations.

Thats the beauty of Ascended…little/no grinding as you can change the stats. People can also buy exo if they needed and asc is not as difficult to make as some people may think. With an amulet system you can’t fully “mix and match”. If I want 2 soldiers, 2 valk and 2 zerker stats on my armor alone, and I can’t due to the ammy system, thats restricting my build,. thus reducing diversity of builds but not allowing mixing/matching stats, even tho its not min/maxing, as a thoerycrafter, sometime sits about min maxing but finding fun builds that can work. Thats what makes WvW better for a thoerycrafter as its the only place to really test a full potential of any build vs actual players (aside from guild arena ofc but playing vs the same ppl over and over gets boring)

The build looks interesting, so I may try it, however it seems to have a couple of flaws:

1.) Ranged pressure: (ie LB/Staff druid. You can be outranged and classes like druid have the stealth and mobility to reposition)

2.) Medium to heavy condi pressure: (small condi pressure you can eat, if a p/p engi gets half of his rotation off, you will drop)

3.) CC chains: I understand immob/crip you can clear/eat, however any half decent berserker, scrapper, staff rev will make it hard for you

4.) Projectile hate. This will shut the build down hard (focus tempest, scrapper, guard/DH…etc) Even shield berserkers if they read your rotations and time it, then follow up with CC’s and you are toast.

Despite all of this, I still am intrigued enough to try this and tweak it enough to at least remove 2 of what i listed. Thanks for the build.

Hello,

While I only have 1 full set of Ascended gear, as an avid thoerycrafter it gets expensive testing builds, needing to make/but armor sets/runes….etc so this would def save me a lot of gold….however as some have stated, this would reduce build diversity, not only to min/max (which many many people do and enjoy as it give them the most of their build). Imo I prefer to use different stat combos and thats more important to me than losing gold for getting gear.

This wouldn’t “break” WvW if what you are suggesting gets implemented, however for those like me that enjoy making builds and testing them, but no matter how you look at it or what is said, the diversity will drop and builds will almost be as stale as in PvP.

I find builds limited in PvP, even when we had more ammy’s to choose from. Thats why I don’t PvP but WvW…freedom to make the build the way I want without restrictions (and I know for a fact there are those that feel the same way)

I commend your idea and appreciate you trying to find ways to enhance/change WvW in a positive way, however I am going to have to do the Canadian thing and politely disagree and apologize for such.

You looking for condi engi or condi scrapper? personally ive been playing condi engi for 2+ years in PvP and WvW (also what game mode you looking into).

To each their own, although some ppl like the toolkit kit for the pull/confusion burst. At least 1 pistol is a must (although 2 is optimal). if I remember right, some run firearms/alchemy and tools or inventions. There was about 3 on metabattle but no wthere’s 2 (albeit i find FT not very strong as a condi wep, but more as a dps wep, but again…to each their own. Maybe I havent fought any good enough FT condi builds to make me want to look into it again.)

Elixir gun seems popular by a lot of players as well as healing turret and Elixir S. For elite, I don’t see many outside mortar (i see a couple Elixir X from time to time, although in about 80% of my encounters, it is more of a hindrance due to the small time of the moa transformation, and its easy to kite the main transformation, although tornado is ok in a team fight. also Juggernaut is better if spec’d for DPS).

Supply crate has a high CD but I run it myself as it has good utility when vs outnumbered or out skilled fights…but again…to each their own.

You could go to Metabattle.com and get a starting point as there is 2 condi builds and you can tailor the build to your playstyle. I also stream my condi engi from time to time in case you need more ideas (albeit I do PvP and WvW)

Anywho, hope this helped at least a bit.

I am intrigued by you responses, but not so much of your gloating ( “from an actually good player”) but you seem to be more helpful toward the general community so I have a question.

Best class/type of build best for going against a party that has 3-4 DH’s, at least 1 being a burn DH?

I don’t know if its because the best build I have even made wkitten on by Anet during that patch or if I legit agree as that totally is what I believe as the definition but I totally agree with this.

+10

Digikid.7230:

I always thought Elixir X could be something like cleanse all condis currently on you and gain all boons, fits more into the theme.

Thats kinda like Elixir C mixed with the Mesmer’s stolen item. Tbh the RNG on the transformation shouldn’t exist. Most people don’t run Elixir X as it’s a gamble on what form you will get. For the CD cost on it, you should at least know what you are going to become. I think the tornado is nice, but still pretty weak and easy to condi down (even without stability). The Juggernaut is nice when ya get it.

Imo the Elixir X (if keeping as a transformation elixir) should have it own unique transformation. Keep the toss ability the same. Whatever it transforms to, maybe give it resistance instead of stability. If going have a new ability (as opposed to transformation) It could be a condi removal, but make it an aoe around the player where it either cleanses or transforms condis to boons (maybe max 5 ppl or max 5 condis) , but also any baddies get their boons corrupted (max 5 again). Be a nice lil counter to the Plague/Epi combo issue ppl are complaining about that is imbalanced.

Maybe my idea is crazy or maybe not. Maybe its a good general concept but needs a bit of tweaking. Who knows.

LUST.7241:

- Currently running a Engi condi build in PvP is a super risky choice…however, it really isn’t a threat because how easily it can be avoided, ignored, or cleansed.

While I agree that it can be cleansed, and only ignored if you are a class with multiple cleanses (DH/survival druid…), and to some degree, a bit risky, however to say we are not really a threat, that I must disagree with. I’ve ran my condi engi build that I built for 2 years now (something close was JUST put on metabattle not too long ago, however on the site its not optimized for what it can bring, but everyone has their own playstyle).

Ive even beat plague reapers (albeit not a majority of them, but more than any condi class should). There is def a threat and ive got lots of vids to show it. I also agree that blowtorch needs to be re-looked at (and what you said that was the issue is very true), however the rest can probably be left alone. Condi engi’s can be a threat, however I Can honestly say that every single one I have come across (aside from 1 condi scrapper who caught me by surprise whom was pretty good themselves) were beat. Some simple mistakes in the build, wrong timings and 1 that was probably running it for the first time. I guess I should be thankful that ppl don’t see us as much of a threat. Makes the fight in our favor.

TL;DR Like any build, even this one can be a threat in the right hands and to give us the element of surprise (by having the mentality that we are not really a threat) makes it fun for us. The Metabattle build isn’t that great, and after testing condi engi for 2 years, there is a better set up than whats there (but everyone has their own playstyle).

Either way I will kick butt in WvW and PvP with my build I have been using for almost 2 years. Was never meta (or close to) until very recently (and it’s still different enough). I had a scrapper that was able to easily 2v1 and could def 3v1, however anet took a big ol metal bat and beat it to death (RIP Bunker Busting Butthead). Since then, ive never really went back to scrapper…just my vanilla engi.

I love using it. The condi application is awesome and it helps my build with positioning (especially while stealth)

Anet has confirmed many times (once to me as well) that Courtyard isn’t begin changed and may go away. That begin said, I would love for it to make a comeback. It was my fav map. No capping BS and no 2nd mechanic. Just straight up comp vs comp where team strategy wins.

Sins.4782:

Get rid of the bursting sigil. It’s been bugged for ages and doesn’t actually change with your condition damage stat, so it’s basically worthless. Also, Healing Turret >>> Elixir B, and Bunker Down is still too good to even consider anything else in that slot.

If you are referring to my build, I find it better with my play-style to have my set up and about the bursting sigil, after testing it with the golems, I do get the increased damage. The elixirs can be swapped for others as see fit so it can lean to many play-styles (I do swap to Elixir C from time to time)

If you are not referring to my build…uhhh…ummm…errrr…carry on mate.

Since Anet “Scrapped” my scrapper build (pooped on it violently…like ate Taco Bell and Mcdonalds at once bad), ive gone back to my vanilla engi (slightly modified to go vs HoT builds) and its carried me from Bronze to Gold so far. Plague reapers are a pain (learning to fight vs these). No problems vs scrappers or zerkers. Thieves hate me, condi classes wanna be me (that sounded almost good didnt it?)

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vdAQJAqalcTh+uY5Vw+Kw6FLsFVYKeRxmYHNFPB4HWiBAA-TJhMABg+AAUuMAA7Pw6JAAA

For a Vanilla, it holds its own quite well. Only real pain, as mentioned, is plague reapers. Ive 2v1’d and has a couple 3v1’s (2v1’s I got recorded on my twitch/upcoming build vid). Good if you are bored, good if you want to try something different, good if you want to not be meta. Good if you are hyped on go-go juice (energy drinks).Saw someone close to this once (2 utilities and 1 wep off) and it still rocked them down.

Have fun

Took me a bit to get out of Silver (currently 4 points into gold so 1 match can drop me back into silver).

Silver, I feel, is where I should have started (was in bronze…bad preliminary). Bronze wasn’t much of a challange, silver was good. I heard gold isn’t that great so im happy where I am (although I still need 4 more days of 3 matches for the achievo in year 2)

Also, I am using a vanilla build despite havign HoT and used it throughout the season (minus 2- 3 matches where druid would be better for the team)

YOU CAN DO EET!

I fthey are running trapper runes, you will only down if you have less than 18k HP. If they are running perplexity, then thats stronger.

I play ghost thief every once in a blue moon (when im bored in WvW and there’s lots of blobbing going on). GT’s do need 100%. Most of the time you can just run away as they need to keep their initiative for stealthing (as opposed to using SB5 to chase you down)

Necros are also a bane to them (especially staff). Condi transfer mark can be deadly to GT.

Stealth Traps are only a soft counter, as any semi decent thief can kite/gtfo before anything can happen to him.

Essentially if you stay and fight, chances are good you will lose. If you just go on your merry little way (after you cleanse their condi burst) then you could walk away alive.

And despite the fact I do play this (although haven’t on a couple months), I Agree it does need a balance/re-work, but where stealth is its class mechanic, its going to take a bit to make sure that it doesn’t screw up any other classes that can stealth.

Buddy of mine was decayed back to bronze from being a bit into silver. He can’t play everyday so it was sad.

I feel the same with Foefire in ranked xD

Map is so boring.

1.) Toxicity of a lot of the community (more so than in PvP and WvW). Having that 1 person in your group that all they do is yell at the party the whole match. They don’t realize that yelling at the allies makes things worse, not better (remember that), and makes them look like a moron. Also If someone is good at certain aspects (stalling caps/playing sides/decapping…etc), don’t yell at them. Yes mid is important, however getting 2 caps asap is more important. On the flip side, if you are always dying at far, leave it, don’t keep being farmable. If the team loses, its everyones fault, not just 1 person, YOU ARE A TEAM.

2.) Lack of communication that leads to a loss that could have been avoided by doing such. I tend to communicate where they are zerging or if someone is heading to a point, its a form of strategy. Very few times do others communicate. 4 ppl going to a point, call it out so allies don’t run in to their death.

I too run a P/P build, however i go vanilla engi (ooOOOoooo). I run Firearms (1.1.3)/Alchemy(2.2.1)/Inventions(2.3.1)

Utilities: Elixir H/Rocket Boots/Elixir S/Elixir U/Supply Crate

For WvW I run a rabid/dire mix
For PvP, I run Wanderers

When im close to my A game, the only class/build that gives me issues is plague reapers (still learning when to dodge/stealth through that), however the supply crate greatly helps vs them and even condi chronos.

This build is what I have been bringing through the league season and it has yet to disappoint and I rarely see any other condi engi/scrapper (only seen 1 other P/P and was scrapper and I bested him).

Only times I didn’t play my engi was vs 3-4 necro team…Not subjecting my engi to that lol….and vs 3 tempests (daredevil ftw).

Great ideas guys, please keep em coming.

volpenvieh.3201:

Same goes for the treb in Kyhlo.

+1 this

You can condi down trebs in WvW, why not PvP? lol

ApaWanka.2698:

Im agree with U that Scrapper meta build have a sustain and DPS unreachable for any other Engi/scrapper build.

Condi Engi is fun (I felt in love years ago with condi engi) but is not competitive atm. For casual roam in wvw is fine, is playable (even if is not great) but doesnt have a place on Pvp right now.

I am going to have to disagree with this as I have been using my P/P vanilla engi in ranked PvP for about 85% of my matches (unless im up vs 3-4 necros again…have had about 4-5 matches of major class stacking where my druid would be a better choice).

I may not get top kills all the time, however I win at least 80-90% of my fights and I have awesome mobility to move between points and can be a pain in the kitten to kill (i tend to pull more of them than us on a point. God help everyone if dire ever comes to PvP lol)

Its people thinking like this (doesn’t have a place in PvP) that throw ppl off guard when I fight em, thus get downed so I hope ppl keep thinking this way. Granted I have seen some not-so-great condi engis and fought/beaten them.

Granted like every build, I too have counters (Im looking at you plague/epi necros).

Also granted im not elite, or even close to, but I have used the build long enough to know what its really capable of.

Zippidy.1045:

I run Condi-bunker support. DS works really well since alot of builds in WvW are based to condi bomb you. as far as critical hits go with the right rotation you should be perma to kitten near perma proc so crits dont matter much. IMO test it out, see how you like it and go from there. you can always change your trait line and utilities as needed to something that may suit better.

Ive ran up vs 2 condi tempests since HoT and neither were that great condi wise which is why I never looked into it. I love condi builds myself. If someone had a good condi build I would love to see it, however I don’t think that that the tempest line has much to offer condi builds.

SO I am just getting back into PvP after a looong pvp hiatus. I hear people talk abotu farming ascended gear in PvP…how does one do that?

Those fights you start strong, half way you have a good lead (50-100 pts) then somehow you end up losing. sad face

a buddy and I are purely duo queueing teh season together. SO we all won and lost the same matched. Somehow he has more pips and rating and we don’t know why/how (especially the pips part).

Dawdler.8521:

Dirame.8521:

OR give us a way to strip boons other than to use throw mine.

Gyros stripping a boon or two when detonating would be neat. But Anet need to balance it in that case, so they will prpbably loose the damage, lightningfield and become stationary. But at least its purity of purpose!

Bigpapasmurf, I dont think I will ever meet you lol. Not that I wouldnt want too, its just that in my now 40 games or so played I have literally never seen another p/p engie. So chances of two meeting is about 0.

I saw a p/s condi engi today and it was refreshing. He didnt last long but refreshing nonetheless. I hope you do come across one and I hope its me (celestia machina is my engis name).

Hope you have some good fights

PierPiero.9142:

Bigpapasmurf.5623:

I am looking to get back into my tempest (currently main druid in WvW, looking to branch out a bit) and ive been looking into different builds that seems good in WvW. I love the damage that air OL provides but I also know that ele is squish so Ive been tinkering with build editors and came up with the following. It looks to combine good damage (tempests usually have natural good sustain), condi cleanse through shouts (as I know earth has a cleanse but I wont immediately remember about it and the condi spam In WvW today takes skill to fight against), earth to reduce DPS damage to me, auras that grant me regen and more damage reduction. Couple ways to get auras both passive and active, teleport for setting up OL from range and blinking on top of enemies. Fresh air cause air OL = OP. Only think is the lack of active safestomp (passive from earth)

Weps give invuln, projectile hate, CC, heals, might stacking and auras.

Let me know what you think, any good modifications that will increase the potential. Constructive criticism only please.

Edit: Forgot to add build…opps

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vFAQJAodn0XCVYidOAGYCcYilHATIAcA2gDlgMwL0dymZ/sA-TlRLAB+rEEA9APoeAL7PEvyPIUxhUARMGA-w

Thanks

TheReaIMC

I played something similar … but why dagger and not scepter ? Why not taking also diamond skin ?

Dagger was mostly for the added auras (as its kind of a fresh air / auramancer hybrid I am going for). It was a toss up between Diamond Skin or Stone Heart. I need to test if I can cleanse condis better or heal damage better… I think I can heal condis better but this is why I am here.

Dawdler.8521:

Bigpapasmurf.5623:

I will agree that condi engi/scrapper is superb in a +1 scenario, I will disagree about them not being able to carry when the bunkers suck, as I have been on the carrying (not carried) side of things. Plenty of 1v1’s and 2v1’s won. It appears that you have yet to see one that was capable of holding their own. Someday you will.

Something like a menders hammer scrapper can carry just fine, but a p/p condi build wont be able to stay on point for long alone. Whether you can fight 1v1, 1v2 or 1v3 is irrelevant. That’s not what carry a team (and believe me, I’ve lost matches 200 vs 500 with 500K/40% of team damage done). Even if you win eventually they will almost certainly have contested the point and lost your team 50+ points. That’s why they suck when the bunkers suck.

It’s the same for all +1 really. I just enjoy my scrapper because it’s not a super cheesy omni-reflect confusion mesmer or perma-evade cheese thief.

Well, that and I have Hope.

Glad ya have hope mate

I kinda hope I come across ya on the battlefield on my p/p wanderers vanilla engi. Ive def (on my mid to good days) carried some, fending points from 2/3 enemied, creating an 4v3, 4v2 on the rest of the field, capping sides when they are all fighting “sometimes mindlessly” on mid.

Being able to fight 1v1, 1v2, 1v3 in PvP is relevant as that’s 5/10/15 points to your team (per encounter, and that can really add up at times), you can pull a bunch of them off the field and on you and typically keep them there (nothing like ticking off 2/3 who keep heading to the point you are on to make a match fun (constant 4v2’s on the field ftw). Being able to fight outnumbered is “almost” as valuable as knowing when to rotate points when the enemy is zerging, or to avoid a point where its you vs 4. It all equals point accumulation.

Feersum Endjinn.4179:

What a ridiculous statement, thread is not incorrect, you just wish it to be.

Isn’t it funny how all those “telling” me that DH isn’t OP funnily enough play DH.. Wonder if they realise the irony in their statements? One DH I can deal with (as I said before), when you come up against 3 in 2 matches in a row, there is definitely an issue (especially as solo/duo wasn’t supposed to be about class stacking). I have a ranger who plays with me and even he says they are massively OP. Oh well, at least its only the DH’s that seem to think they aren’t OP.. Either way, imagine playing a class that boring..

Oh, I don’t bunk a point as although I could, that’s just boring af.

Lucentfir – Who gives a kitten about meta? This game is supposed to be fun, but when you get a class that can just sit there and do not a lot and still win, there is something wrong and the only class that can do that is DH, so yeah, there is something wrong..

I rarely play my DH and I can tell you they are not OP. Daze on traps can be a pain if you don’t have a way to trigger them w/o harm (clones/pets/Elixir S…etc). One thing people did a couple years ago (which worked more often than not) was to adapt and endure. Change something in your build or your play style to adapt to it. I know that with “meta” builds its easy to pick one up, win/lose and complain about things being OP when you lose while not changing the build because “meta is life”.

IMO if you are not willing to adapt, or haven’t made a good attempt to adapt (including changing the build or duel/spar friends who run similar builds to learn ways around stuff), then you have no right complaining as you haven’t tried to make the situation better.

Its like saying you run of real life money too fast…have you tried to adapt (make a budget / spend less / eat out less)? If not, then you have no right to complain as you have made little to no attempt to make the situation better.

All boils down to you can either try to git gud or go home.

Dawdler.8521:

PierPiero.9142:

Sorry but people don’t play scrapper for function Gyro. The real difference between scrapper with hammer and other builds is the fact that you have :
– great sustain , you get a lot of regen , much more than without scrapper
- damage and defense on the same weapon so you can have much better condi cleans from utilities .
U have much more sustain with hammer scrapper and you can stay on point. You can not do the same easily with condi engi and it is a huge difference in a capture game

Well I dont know about you but I definetly dont play p/p scrapper for the hammer.

Condi (scrapper or not) is not on point sustain. It’s a +1 through and through that does best when zipping between points doing drive by shootings. It’s a really hardy +1 too that destroys other +1 built classes (or in the case of low hp classes like thieves, 2 of them at once).

Problem is, +1 cant carry when the bunkers suck.

I will agree that condi engi/scrapper is superb in a +1 scenario, I will disagree about them not being able to carry when the bunkers suck, as I have been on the carrying (not carried) side of things. Plenty of 1v1’s and 2v1’s won. It appears that you have yet to see one that was capable of holding their own. Someday you will.

displacedTitan.6897:

Honestly just don’t play Engi in WvW unless its only for zerging and even then you are not very useful.

There is not a single engi build that can beat the meta roamers and its silly to even keep trying. I would love for someone to come up with a real build that can win but its just not possible right now. Other classes are able to deal more damage while having higher defences in both power and condi as well as reset a fight over and over. Really frustrating until you realize its not you, its the class and current game climate. Lets just hope for a change from ANet… oh wait they hate Engi so I guess its just GG.

Well to be fair, there are moments where its not the build but the skill. My engi (vanilla) has gone vs many HoT builds (including meta) and came out on top (in a 1v1 scenario, only chronos give me grief…and mallyx rev’s) Many tried but the win loss ratio is in my favor. Fares well in a 2v1, the odd 3v1 if I’m bringing my “A” game. This is also in WvW and PvP.

My guess is you either a.) Haven’t seen someone on an engi build who was skillfully capable of handling their own, even in a 1v1, or b.) You know someone who has that tried but failed (so again, skill/l2p issue)

There are some out there. Where a viable engi build that can 1v1 takes a bit of skill, you don’t see them often (or I guess in your case, its not at all)

Either way, they do exist, and maybe one day you will see one that will make a believer out of you