Guild Wars 2

To go over a few things…

1.) Anet will unlikely (but I cannot say never) do duels in PvE…too close to what WoW does and Anet is trying to differentiate themselves from WoW

2.) For PvP template dueling, thats what hotjoin is used for and what people expect to do when they hotjoin (unless the room description specifically states its for dailies…red wins then blue wins…etc)

3.) For non PvP template dueling (so you can use food buffs) you can ofc go into a WvW match, however there was a “map” that was highly used for “Non PvP template dueling” which was the Colosseum area of Obsidian Sanctum (I remember dueling there a while back) and this area you don’t have to worry of getting zerged or people “accidentally” interrupting it.

or

You can use a guild arena if its with a friend of guildie (friends see if they can join your guild for this purpose). No PvP template here as well.

Bags of Denravi huh? Wasn’t that way earlier when we were bag farming you guys earlier

Oooh and the salt my 4 man group got when we kept beating a 7 man group in your home bl lol

But in all seriousness, I thought “Beast Gate” would be a super tough match up seeing where they are usually #1, however I was mistaken. I will say your havoc group/roamer guys are giving good fights. Had a fairly refreshing 1v1 one today and even made a friend / sparring partner.

coro.3176:

Yes, this is a problem, but it’s also a design flaw with Warrior.

Warrior beats almost any class/build in a 1v1 where the opponent stays to fight. The only way to beat the meta stance build is to kite and reset the fight until the Warrior’s defenses are on cooldown, THEN move in for the kill.

As a current WvW thief main, I can 110% confirm this. Resetting the fight is often strategic and sometimes crucial to avoid getting 1-shotted by a berserker (bad enough full glass teef hits for a little more then the passive heals during their god mode.) Waiting it out/resetting has become a must. Until War’s get toned down, this will never change.

I seem to be part of the minority in regards to the kit merging so you know what kit goes with what kind of build/ideology of a build.

Saw someone try a “ghost thief” today. I actually didnt see any trap delay (I did see them drop it and it triggered right away on me). Been seeing a ton of “perma evade condi teefs” lately gross right?

Meanwhile im sticking to my “ow it hurts now they ded” build. A friend moved to the perma evade and he stated (was funny actually) that he feels dirty and noobish.

I can see the actual HP of all NPC’s and things like seige/walls (things that have a standard HP model). It would be nice to see that of allies/PC enemies…but only works if they have a certain overlay running.

This is more of a QoL idea for some,

It seems recently I have been making more and more friends in WvW but they are on the opposing teams. Currently you cannot click on the player and right click their name and “Add Friend” but instead you add them to the block list, grab their ign and then whisper them/add them (after you unblock).

Seems a bit if a hassle to just friend someone who is on another server in WvW so…why doesn’t Anet just make it as easy as adding some random person in PvP/PvE? Where there is a way thats technically more work, no one can say that its to prevent salt (as ppl will whisper you anyway so using this excuse is bogus)

Its not a huge deal, but seems like something so simple made a bit more complicated.

Thoughts?

Crinn.7864:

Ryan.9387:

Crinn.7864:

How on earth did you manage to be interrupted while invulnerable?

I can’t think of a single thing outside of raid mechanics that pierces invul, thus no way to interrupt.

Are you sure you didn’t self interrupt with weaponswap or weapon stow?

A thief headshot me.

Ohhhhhh I think I know what happened here.

I’m guessing that the thief interrupted a skill right before you used renewing focus. This would have applied Pulmonary impact which is a 2 second effect that deals damage at the end. If the thief casts Basilisk Venom before the Pulmonary impact goes off then the Pulmonary Impact would have proc’ed Basilisk Venom on you even though you where invulnerable.

Or at least that’s what I’m thinking happened. I haven’t tested this.

Does that basi trick actually work? I know pulmonary impact will still do damage if its set before going invuln but never heard of the basi trick (may work for other venoms too)

Fat Disgrace.4275:

there is an activation time, you can notice it lot more on asuras as they jump in the air first then dart forwords. how ever the toolip dosnt show an activation time, flanking strike on thief has been head shotted/stealed to a few times in the past as soon as i use the skill.

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Flanking_Strike_

Pulminary Impact tho can realllly hurt when they interrupt. Damage doesnt happen right away but after about 2-3s.

Xanctus The Dragonslayer.2318:

K THEN.5162:

I’m pretty sure it’s Aang

U win the thread mate.

+9000 on this. Aang ftw

As mentioned by several, it was exactly what I thought. The thief got you right before the actual evade. I can see how you were mistaken, however to make things easier and quicker for next time, instead of calling it a bug or calling for a fix from the start, post the vid and ask people what happened and let the awesome community let you know what they saw

ps. gj on playing D/D

Xtinct.7031:

out of curiousity, any thieves still attempting to use traps in there builds? If so, how?

I have a DA TR DD build I play on occasion that uses the needle trap on heal trait, but no trap utilities.

Ive seen a couple condi teefs use needletrap and some try to be a condi ghost teef. Mainly saw it on some perma evade condi builds…still skillless but still prefer to fight that than ghost.

Jim Hunter.6821:

Zackie.8923:

yea, tournaments are the way to go to revive WvW. the reason they gave was absurd, IIRC they said they don’t want tourneys because they see a sharp decline of players after tourney ends.

i mean, issn’t that normal? a surge in players will result in a decline. nothing wrong with it. tourneys actually give a reason for interest of PPT

Tournaments gave a reason to bandwagon to select servers to guarantee a win.

If they just want to draw in pve players all they have to do is offer some unique items in wvw tracks (and prevent those tracks from working in EotM).

Answer: Close server transfers before announcing WvW tourney. Open it back up once its over.

DeceiverX.8361:

There should just be more opportunities for the thief to capitalize on being revealed, and many of the stealth traits should be changed to be applied upon gaining stealth, not just staying in it. This would let thieves balance stealth/reveal play well and reward not camping either styles which is largely either unfun (stealth stacking) or one-dimensional (reveal stacking for extra bonuses). A reveal skill should be used to deny stealth and nothing more, not to just shut down a majority of an existing class. And that class should have the opportunity to combat the further ailments of being revealed if it hinges its build on stealth.

One single revealed-oriented trait (RT) competing with one of the best traits in the game (Panic Strike) for an ounce of extra damage isn’t doing anything for anyone outside of PvE DPS environments. That was what I was trying to accomplish with my elite, but ANet insists on further punishing attempts to reveal oneself.

Zomg i would LOVE to have both.

Also, I would suggest to add something to teh Shadow Arts traitline to make it more used in non-ghost builds…

Second Chance: No cooldown on failed Stealth Attacks.

This would make some DPS builds consider using SA for this alone.(or hell, get rid of the CD to begin with)

Went against a small group today (abotu even numbers) and outof abou t8 of them, at least 5 were condi. Makes it hard for an old daredevil dog like myself to survive if I need to get close to them to down someone. Def had to switch a trait to do it. Still can’t complain as I have 2 toons out of 9 running condi.

Funny thing is I ran into a stealth trapper teef and wheni triggered one of his traps (needle trap), he stayed stealth. Pretty sure I have it on recording as well as it was only today or yesterday.

Just for the record, we talkin gabotu someone who throws down countless seige prints for fun (and without building)?

Ziggityzog.7389:

Im hoping they learn from this after turning their backs on a real chance at pvp. What happened to gw1 style of kill or be killed? This conquest crap of holding little circles does not work for competitive play I’m sorry. Balances can only do so much. The main issue is the 5v5 hold little circles mode.

This is why courtyard was fun…no bs points to contest just “kill or be killed” fun where players required to plan real strats to survive.

They don’t have the player base for ESL due to balancing issues and teh fact that the toxicity in PvP in insane (more-so than in WvW and there are more ppl in WvW). Its definitely no surprise and maybe this will be a wake up call for ANET and players alike (although im not holding my breath for at least the 2nd one).

We can blame Anet all we want but they only take half the blame…the players need to accept the other half.

I’d just be happy if they removed the CD on a failed stealth auto attack.

Spartacus.3192:

Put a Sigil of Draining on your hammer if you haven’t done so already. Increases your DPS and sustain. I like Sigil of Draining coupled with Sigil of Hydromancy for the chill.

Sigil of paralyzation works wonders as well. I use that and hydromancy

Depending on when they did it (could have used “Steal” as the evade was being activated (during the evade warm-up), or near the end of the 1s evade) it is possible.

Without some video documentation however we dont know the set up of that fight/retreating to be able to confirm that its something that needs fixing or not. As far as we know, it was a legit steal and you are a bit upset/salty at the situation.

I Appreciate the help with this build im looking for. I saw one today (tempest) using the rock shield summoned weapon…annoying af to fight and didnt hit nearly as hard as the build im looking for. I have a guildie that has a similar build but is very squishy (moreso than the one I fought) and he was running Air/Arcane/Water

Straegen.2938:

babazhook.6805:

One more time. You do not need to be in berserkr armor in order to do damage in a power build. Nothing FORCES this on people. You can do plenty of damage in a power build without traiting power, precision ferocity.

No build exists that can take down my condi thief or several bunker variants in other classes I run using PVT. Several classes in Dire can condi down just about any build on all classes including a few bunker ones dedicated to removing condi.

Condi in WvW right now is significantly stronger in small scale on most classes than power and it isn’t even close.

I troll power builds with a non-stealth thief condi build. The hardest hitting builds in WvW have maybe a 1 in 10 shot at bringing me down and that is almost completely reliant on the attacker being an order of magnitude better than my old kitten .

condi plague signet reapers must love you as well as any decent chrono running arcane thievery.

Straegen.2938:

A player should only get one Downed State every couple minutes. Resurrects should be removed from the game. Resurrects are one of the most unbalancing factors in WvW IMO.

If that happens, I am fine with removing fast stomps.

If they removed downstate, more ppl will be running powerbuilds or condi burst builds (more than they do now). Build diversity would drop as they would need to buff support/healing builds to compensate in group fights.

If they had a downstate every couple minutes, how would the in between time from the start of that timer to the end? No one downs or do they auto die?

JonnyForgotten.4276:

Impact Strike takes 3 blockable/interruptable strikes to get that instant stomp. It is also an elite skill and on a minimum 42 sec cooldown (when traited for a shorter CD). Not overpowered.

Its actually a 40s base cooldown, 32s traited

AmberUK.5380:

Two faced lords just side with anyone that shows up. Cannot trust them

You can trust them for at least the first 5 minutes of having a formal relationship with them. After that, they st their FB status as “its complicated”

Special shout out to all the great thieves out there that don’t have a spotlight shining on them. The ones that don’t stream or put their stuff on youtube. The ones that don’t have 1000 fans (yet) but could possibly beat one of the above mentioned “best”. I /bow to those “hidden thieves”

Ario.8964:

I was recently put in charge of the NA side of the guild with a few others. I’d love to get the guild active again however that will require a lot of people willing to actively participate in, organize, suggest, and promote events.

Suggestions and such are welcome when it comes to that stuff, but first we gotta rebuild our ranks and get people active again.

If someone throws me an invite (NA) I will gladly help getting the NA guild up and running. I also know a few thieves that may join as well (I know its not a thief only guild but with the tag TEEF, ill look at all my teef oriented friends). Ive held many ranks in different guilds so I may be of some use here.

Wolfric.9380:

yea base fresh air ele. Air/water/arcane or air/earth/arcane. Definitly feels good.
I would go with maurauder/celestial mix but up to zerker is possible (but too squishy)
So basically a mix of cele, maurauder, zerker or commander as you personally like.

scroll a bit down to:

WvW Core “Fresh Air” build

example:

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vFAQJAodhcMonhFOwzB8RM0AYTKoDMDrC5NMKIVgAwHE-T1BFAB4r+D77PQwJAAgHAgfKBVXPgVK/WHcAcWzCgLswCLswCGwszO7szKFQgjBA-w

can be quite tanky and is a boon machine. The more power damage you want the more you use zerker or marauder in your trinkets. It also stacks might and can do noticable condi damage as side effect. Arcane precision is mainly for the weakness and more damage.

They were using a scepter variant and they wee a bit tanky. Without might stacks they were still sustaining some very decent damage. Arcane makes sense as the damage from it (on arcane skills) can be pretty deadly. Thanks for this.

Hello all,

the ele was my first toon and I loved her…but she was weak in PvP and WvW so I moved on to somethign else.

Yesterday, someone in WvW sparked my love. It was an enemy and it was vanilla ele but MAN that burst hurt like a MF’er. Definitely running scepter and I think focus. Blocks/evades and was hard to burst down in a 2v1. Fresh air for sure, swapping to air dropped a bolt to my face and hit for a lot.

Rotations were so well timed it brought a tear to my eye as they smoked me and an engi in a 2v1. As mentioned, was def a vanilla but was way stronger than any tempest I fought (also has that aura or shield that negated attacks and the static shield)….DAT BURST DOE.

If someone thinks this may sound familiar, I would love to run this and possibly bring hope back to my ele again.

I appreciate any help with getting this build.

Personally I would love to see it…also mind you I play DPS non meta Daredevil and can down a lot…but have an issue stomping in the more outnumbered fights so it would benefit me greatly

Am I the only one that finds this thread funny? I mean there are more issues in WvW than the developers claiming objectives. Personally, I know a LOT of people that like to see it as it shows they are playing it and possibly taking notes. Funny how a lot of people are the “glass half empty” kind.

I hope to see more ANET people playing and enjoying their product. Don’t listen to the haters and enjoy the game you helped create and takes notes on what could use changing

From my experiences over the last couple years, just don’t go to Maguuma. It seems that 80% of the adolescent population that WvW’s resides there. I have heard good things from Sorrows Furnace and Ferguson’s Crossing (Both NA)

Am I the only one that doesn’t PPK for loot or reward track, but just the excitement of the hunt?

They could implement all they want, reducing EXP or loot or reward track…id still PPK as much then as I do now. Its the thrill of the hunt/kill for me. The loot/exp is just a small bonus to me…thats all.

I would consider changing servers again, however how is the coverage throughout the day and what tier have you guys been hovering around the last couple of months?

Rambitshouse.8712:

Aeolus.3615:

Xenesis.6389:

Swamurabi.7890:

It should have said, " Entrance into SAB is now in Eternal Battlegrounds"

That would have been hilarious, the general forums would have blown up, permanent queue on that map for 3 weeks.

can u guys image the Queues and the QQ (triple QQQ day) pver’s wanting to join sab while they have to fight for a structure and the other side defenfing people want to join sab but cant affor to loose it?

I’d love to see a mode where wvwers could come together as one, enter a raid in pve land and take over LA and DR.

The crying would be epic lol

Zomg this needs to be a thing for a day

Offair.2563:

Make condis reflectable, like people with power builds have to deal with it, then we can have a gut power vs condi discussion.

Necros (and a smaller extent Mesmers) and already do this, plus a sigil and at least 1 rune set that I can think of. Theres also the classes like war and mes and rev (and teef stolen ability from mes) that also have access to resistance and more classes that has evades and condi conversion (to boons) which negates most, if not all condi damage. The more boon duration a person has (and its a boon heavy meta) the longer the resistance, and the more they shut down condi builds..

But but but I love being revealed…revealed training ftw

Thanks for the info. I will surely look into this

GN: Shadow Celestia
Thief Type: Teacher/Artisan
Server: Sorrows Furnace
Experience with thief: One of my characters I tend to return to after trying out my others. I never use Meta builds but never have any major issues and any issue I do come across I tend to adapt an learn from it. I mainly use it for WvW/PvP (where I spend most of my time…aside from when festivals are around)

babazhook.6805:

Bigpapasmurf.5623:

babazhook.6805:

Bigpapasmurf.5623:

Ive started using Revealed Training recently and I must say, I am loving it (with D/P, there’s no shortage of revealing myself for that boost)

Try it with shadow trap

Theres been too many people complaining about LoS issues and it not working the way it should (I believe thats the same trap)

Do not worry about the long port.

Do not worry about the port at all. Drop it right on the enemy and the trigger goes off. You respond to the trigger and now have 5 seconds added stealth if you wish. fury and 10 stacks might.

If you do use it on a longer port it just takes a bit of practice to learn areas it can be used. I have used it a lot, just as example , porting from Bay keep gate to the sentry SW c on an enemy triggering it. I appear right behind the guy who is oblivious to my presence for a nice spike of damage.

You can also make like you running away, drop it and port behind the bad guy stealthed even as he pursues. No need to line up a backstab as you are already behind him.

I may have to look into this. I currently use Impairing Daggers atm which is really nice in keeping them in place for their deletion.

Nate.3927:

Bigpapasmurf.5623:

Xtinct.7031:

Here we go again, if It is not one thing about thief than it is another thing. This time we talking about what? nerfing impact strike elite?

I dunno, something about solo capping a t3 tower or something with using impact strike?

Why do you need impact strike to solo cap a t3 tower? All classses can do it. I can personally do it with only 4 because I’m pretty horrible with the other 5. But I’m sure people who are good with those classes can do it

My remark was meant as sarcasm. Guess it wasn’t that obvious.

babazhook.6805:

Bigpapasmurf.5623:

Ive started using Revealed Training recently and I must say, I am loving it (with D/P, there’s no shortage of revealing myself for that boost)

Try it with shadow trap

Theres been too many people complaining about LoS issues and it not working the way it should (I believe thats the same trap)

Hello Everyone,

I go by MC, and I am looking for another Friendly, easy going WvW/PvP guild to join.

For WvW, I am on Sorrows Furnace. My schedule is weird and I am usually when people on my other WvW guild isn’t (aside from 1 or 2 members) so I was looking for a 2nd WvW guild to call home. I spend more time here than anywhere else (aside from SAB or Wintersday events when they are around)

For WvW – I tend to be a Pugmander (Although I love to command when I have a chance to, wether a guild or pugs) and run Havoc when I can (prefer havoc as easier to move around maps), but usually run small scale. I would be looking for a guild that will give me permission to guild claim objectives. Guild siege isn’t a must but always helpful as it saves me gold/badges. I mainly run a heavy hitting Daredevil with a non meta build (tends to destroy most people) and a condi vanilla Engineer and a dual ranged Druid.

For PvP, last season I hit Diamond and stopped as that was my goal. I haven’t been as active this season but looking to get back into it with guildies. I pretty much mained the same classes as in WvW, similar builds (I don’t really do support builds).

I do have TS and I also stream my content on Twitch. As mentioned I Have a weird schedule at the moment so my online times will vary. Because I am also a part of other guilds for different things, I prefer one with minimal to 0 rep required (also working on a guild hall with a very small personal guild)

I have been a Guild Leader, Officer, Thoerycrafter, JP fanatic and WvW Commander/Calvary driver for CD, DH and SF.

If you think I may be a fit, please hit me up either PM in game or in the forums. If you want to see what I am like, please check my past videos out in my stream (heads up, I think I am funny…most of the time i’m not).

Ive started using Revealed Training recently and I must say, I am loving it (with D/P, there’s no shortage of revealing myself for that boost)

Xtinct.7031:

Here we go again, if It is not one thing about thief than it is another thing. This time we talking about what? nerfing impact strike elite?

I dunno, something about solo capping a t3 tower or something with using impact strike?

saberz.2946:

Bigpapasmurf.5623:

saberz.2946:

Anet can u give back the ghost trappers their stealth? Not our fault people suck against them. People whining because they cant kill them need to get good. I run a perm stealth theif in pvp and now i cant because people whining about notbeing able to kill them. in that case, you will take away engi gyro for stomping in down state right? take away grave digger OP damage from necros, warriors with that OP stun etc,. I mean, people complaining about not being able to take on trapper theifs is the exact same of what i am saying about other toons that i have that cant take on other classes becuase theyre too OP. people can whine just like I am but we did this work for our theifs and we get screwed.

Pretty sure you copied/pasted most of this from your WvW comment.

Knowing you play this build makes all the more sense. As someone once said, onlyu those that play it will argue it. To also quote my WvW post vs yours, this build is Toxic to WvW and in shed of this new light, its also toxic to the already toxic PvP. (Kinda funny actually as in the WvW thread, I pointed out your PvP toxicity before I saw this thread…nailed it)

I admit I played GT in WvW as a gimmick for a small period of time, got boring fast and learned to play a real build. A lot more satisfaction and pride downing someone using a real build than a fake gimmick one (inb4, my mallyx rev loves playing with ghost teefs, small effort, big payoff…tip for those that are looking for a nice counter play).

All this means is that you can either a.) Adapt and tweak the build or change it entirely, or b.) could complain on multiple forums. Imo learning to play a real build would be more rewarding as a player. If you need build ideas, look me up. I am maining a teef and can delete most builds pretty quick. Ill also help spar/practice until you get good.

OK but they have trapper runes with the 6th rune giving stealth for 2 seconds when laying a trap, therefore if i am fighting in wvw or pvp and i lay a trap i expect to get my stealth, due to the runes giving me it. It’s not my fault people condiser GT always in wvw, there is pvp as well. Or hell in PVE if we use it there too. People whine and kitten too much because they cant fight. gotta make fighting a GT fair. OMG get over yourself quit your kittening and get good. kitten

I understand your logic for wanting for stealth from traps , however you are fighting a lost fight and getting defensive when someone offers help. Again I am offering my help if you need some to adapt to this change…or stay stuck in this mindset and be miserable and whine and complain…either way its up to you. This is a positive change for the health of WvW (and in a way PvP). It was a form of abusing a mechanic and the game developers have a right to change that. You also got to admit that it was a form of abuse…if you can’t, then I guess I am done trying to help you as clearly you refuse to accept reason.

I recently swapped from basi to impact strike as I tend to fight outnumbered and it really helps speed things up a bit. 3ish seconds to stomp (rooted) is dangerous for a teef. Even i f you shadowstep stomp its not guaranteed (trust me, ive interrupted plenty on my druid and engi lol).

Yesterday i believe I did my very first instastomp (downed on 2nd hit and stomped with 3rd). I was proud but it takes great timing. IMO ppl shouldn’t be complaining about impact strike as 1.) It uses up a utility slot to achieve and 2.) It can be blinded, cc’d, interrupted…etc and 3.) Basi is worse imo.

The full chain (non quickness and starting when you are downed) takes about 2.75s and a stomp takes around,I believe, 3.5s at most, saving less than 1s to stomp so this is saying that people are complaining about being stomped less than1 second sooner compared to traditional stomping, which means that some ppl don’t have anything else to complain about. Not to sound mean or rude, but please people, before complaining, at least check your facts/numbers/information/references….etc.

Rambitshouse.8712:

I hear YB roamers are mad this got nerfed.

Didn’t YB pay for ghost teefs transfers to their server and had a WvW guild made up of mostly them?