Guild Wars 2

Death of a DH by TheRealMC

Im being tethered to my death
There will not be anything left,
I cannot run nor I can hide,
Soon there will be darkness inside,
They pull me into my doom.
I now have very little room,
The trap is triggered and spear is flaming,
DH doesn’t know I run revealed training,
They now know but it’s too late,
My burst and impact strike sealed their fate.

DH had it coming

Thank You

Imo at the moment its a PPKers paradise. I personally either solo roam or run with a few guildies and its usually a good time, despite the recent blob influx.

TBH the majority of condi builds are cheese. They are typically easy mode variant of their class. Im guilty of playing a burn DH and my p/p condi engi (Engi was played/built way before HoT, when pistol/shield was condi meta)

Some cheese is based on the damage itself and some cheese is based on the synergy of how often / how safely they can be applied (either sustain, or perma evade DD teef garbage)

Tifa.6473:

zoomborg.9462:

trailofsalt.6571:

Legendary WvW players? Really? With the current state of balance? You must be joking. This is an MMO. I don’t mean to sound harsh, but you’re being a snowflake. Please spare me the “I work so hard” speech in regards to a game. We all bought the same game you did and your snowflake rant of wanting exclusion speaks volumes to how this once great community is just as toxic and elitist as every other MMO.

Yes legendary, most of these players have stuck with WvW through thin and thick and they’re loyal to a fault. Bold statement but there wouldnt be wvw anymore without them keeping the wheels turning.We all bought the same game, difference is they are genuinely interested in GW2 and how it fares in the future, all u care about is your kitten rewards.

So yes, they arent elitists or special snowflakes. They simply deserve better.Period.
And tbh im only 130 rank and been playing on and off so i will never get most of these rewards but i dont give a kitten, whats fair is fair.

Lol i can’t believe what I’m reading. Legendary wvwers and elitist seriously.

Im just happy roaming with guildies, blowing roamers and small groups up. Im def not pro and my rank is ~500, but 95% if my time is WvW. I get to hunt groups in a slightly less toxic environment then PvP.

May not be a PvP only but I know a guild that is both WvW and PvP focused in NA. Not many members yet as they are saying they want a “close knit familyish” kind of guild.

Give it a couple weeks. WvW isnt for everyone and some ppl will realize this and leave WvW and go back to their preferred game mode.

Karma Crimzin.5079:

Hello all I just came back to the game after a few years and decided to dust off my thief. Im currently using S/D and P/P and having a blast even though last time i played P/P wasn’t really used because of the lack of utility. I was wondering all the same if someone could help me out with my build so i can improve my game in SPvP. Eventually ill break into WvW but right now im trying to take the training wheels off. thanks in advance.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vZAQRAsY6an8lCVmiNOBGmC8PhFYCzLNcGaDaJgAwuZuDeCbhA-TpBXABAs/wsHBglPIAaWG44HAgwnAAA

For starters, welcome back to the game

For PvP, Fist Flurry isn’t as easy to land all the hots to take advantage of the Palm Strike. Maybe take Signet of Agility instead for it.

Sword/Dagger is an interesting set up for PvP…not saying it wont work as sword is a strong weapon when you know how to properly use it, however some people find sword kinda…Clunky? Slow? People often use Dagger/Pistol for stealthing purposes as well as other utility and with your set up, you have CnD as your only stealth. Bursting from stealth is a big part of a thieves damage and survival…again tho if you can learn to be good with sword/dagger and have fun it can def work

Sigils, you could swap Compounding for Absorption on the S/D or possibly swap the Opportunity sigil on pistol for Separation (as you will typically be ranged when using pistols anyway, this one will synergize a bit better).

If you are NA and need someone to spar against, hot me up in game, my guildies will be more than happy to help

I am not going to go into detail (as it helps with my map awareness for my server) but there is something you can do/get that will almost do what you want.

atheria.2837:

Bigpapasmurf.5623:

Zephyra.4709:

Looks like someone didn’t have a Mallyx resist spam Rev in their squad/party… idk at least they changed how Epi functioned, if only slightly.

Condis only hurt when you don’t know how to fight vs them or don’t know what to watch for. You will typically lose a lot until you learn this. Some classes have more ways to deal with it than others (resistance, stealth/mobility, range, lots of clears, evades…etc). Its a matter of wanting to adapt and learning. If one doesnt want to learn to adapt or learn, then they deserve to lose.

I think you are very wrong.

When you are pulled more than your mitigation allows, then conditions are overwhelmingly above and beyond any mitigation or stun breaks that we have been allowed while conditions have grown and grown and GROWN.

If the mitigation doesn’t ALSO grow with the ‘buffs’ seen such as in condi, then condi is abusive.

Tells? You have to be kidding! “Knowing” tells do nothing when you pulled six, seven and eight times into red circles.

This scenario is where the “adapt and learn” comes into play. If you are being pulled several times, then you no “know” whats going to happen and after a couple times you “know” how they are going to do it so one must adapt in order to survive or succeed…which is what my point was.

If someone hits you on the head with something, its going to hurt. Eventually you are going to wear something or shield your head so when it happens again (because you know its going to happen and you have adapted), you wont get hurt.

It may take a hew blows to the head before some people will get this but people do get it eventually…even it it means looking for a way (learning and adapting) to separate someone from their group so you can get them.

XenesisII.1540:

Bigpapasmurf.5623:

All the complaints of the power creep HoT brought and anet finally changed it and ppl don’t like it (kind of a “be careful what you wish for” scenario).

That was mostly a complaint by pve players who were jealous of zerk speed clears, but now the rest of us have to suffer over the condition changes.

There were lots in PvP (most of what I heard was there while doing missions and dailies) and some in WvW (although not as much). Majority of what ive seen was PvP tho.

Zephyra.4709:

Looks like someone didn’t have a Mallyx resist spam Rev in their squad/party… idk at least they changed how Epi functioned, if only slightly.

Condis only hurt when you don’t know how to fight vs them or don’t know what to watch for. You will typically lose a lot until you learn this. Some classes have more ways to deal with it than others (resistance, stealth/mobility, range, lots of clears, evades…etc). Its a matter of wanting to adapt and learning. If one doesnt want to learn to adapt or learn, then they deserve to lose.

Lionwait.4815:

I would love to see Anet make a system that tracks our individual kills per deaths per week. And have that system show a picture by our names. Like the PvP’ers have that show what division they are in.

It would be based off of finisher kills. That way blobs/zergs that spam dmg wont count.

What do you guys think?

Because I am more of a PPKer, I would love this. Let me know ho wI am doing week to week or month to month to see how much I am slacking or improving. Nothing wrong with this idea.

Threather.9354:

Condi meta is still here but only in form of hybrid necros/revs, because resistance stacking from dura runes/melee rev in your party makes condi users require to have some boon corrupt to be relevant for first ~20 seconds of fight.

Some classes have been moved to useless status tho like Power mesmer (dies instantly when shout necro comes nearby), Druid/ranger (kills more allies with their pets getting epid than enemies), thief (only staff thief can somewhat do decent dps in blobfights but hammer warrior is safer for this) and scrapper (gets rekt by corrupt/aura meta).

So basically classes you can play reliably are:
melee or staff ele/tempest
Guardian
Revenant: Melee/Ranged: hybrid/power/heal
Reaper Power/Hybrid
Berserker (very party reliant on clenase).

Now surprisingly 3 of these classes counter somewhat condi meta, ele with cleanses, revenant with resistance and guardian with cleanses. Also you dont want too many berserkers in squad, only a few, as they’re sometimes liability.

Now as long as your server follows this meta, they will be fine. Dont forget that for example dragonhunter is a focus-party class even if you tank it up. And you didnt want even before HoT more than 5 FP classes with you when you were 50 or so.

Unfortunately there isnt easy solution to all these people running PvE builds. All you can pretty much do is; Just kick all dragonhunters, rangers/druids, vanilla engineers/mesmers and thieves/daredevils from squad without arguing them about it and they will either relog, die instantly(ragequit) or not play the game, and dont go eb, pugs are endless there.

Btw, even before HoT groups died instantly, there just were more open guilds and hardcore players playing against each other so you didnt notice it. Current good blobs can fight each other for 5+ minutes etc, they’re just much much more harder to find.

As a Daredevil, it isn’t as easy running with very few condi clears, however im stubborn and stick to it and I typically do fairly well against these condi builds (Engis still give me grief, as well as Burn guards/DH)

mistsim.2748:

back after 1.5 year hiatus, and honestly I’m not exactly sure what’s going on. back in the power meta, we had viable midliners, frontliners, backliners, and focus squad specs. even when you got caught out of position, you still had a chance to react. maybe you’d get spiked for 11k when making a mistake, but at least you had ONE chance to blow your CD’s and regroup with your squad. now it seems one mistake = 50 stacks of bleeds and instant death, unless youre spamming multiple condi clears preemptively. I’ll argue that condis dont really matter now, whereas they mattered before. cripple, poison, immob, chill soft cc’s plus status effects like daze and stun – it was a decent amount of condis to deal with and they all mattered. now you have to deal with these PLUS the unending spam of burns and bleeds.

so I’m wondering if I’m just mistaken. I’m really digging the WvW love with the recent patch, and the rewards finally seem decent. but now the gameplay is utter kittene. is it me, or does the community feel this way as well?

Condi cheese is the new meta mate. One of those things a lot of ppl just adapted and moved on. All the complaints of the power creep HoT brought and anet finally changed it and ppl don’t like it (kind of a “be careful what you wish for” scenario). If people want to go skill less then all the power to them. I find range over 900 works tho as condi builds typically need 900 max to do anything (so ranger staff or LB for example).

Its def something that the community has noticed and those running condi builds will defend to the death (albeit I run a vanilla condi engi from time to time but even i think condis are totally unbalanced)

People use lazy exploits in this game? Huh, no kidding.
/sarcasm

Truthfully ive never noticed as I am always out looking for fights and camps and such to take…ya know…like a real WvW’er as opposed to a “WvW hipster”

RedBaron.6058:

If you get disconnected there goes your boosters down the drain…

A risk some people are willing to take…ofc when they use it once they hit the map. Stuff happens. Its the nature of the beast.

Tbh to those complaining about the queues, as you are aware, certain modes are not for everyone, that includes WvW. Very soon some PvPers and PvE’ers will leave WvW and tell themselves " this insert reason here is why I don’t do WvW" and the queues will start to drop. There is a novelty to WvW an dlike with any new toy (whether GW2 related or even getting a new console) it will die off. Just be patient (as a lot of WvW’ers already know how to do amirite?)amd let nature run its course

I love seeing lots pf people (my toons getting lag don’t tho lol) as its bringing life to WvW. Last night it only took me about 30m to get into ABL that was queues for 40 people (EB had about 70, DBL only had 25 and the other ABL…which was my home bl…has about 50)

Lots of people to PvE’ers to fight which means lots of Meta builds to practice against.

I love it

Nocturnal Lunacy.8563:

Bigpapasmurf.5623:

Nocturnal Lunacy.8563:

I think you forgot to mention the only players having fun with this stupid update are the blobbers running over less populated servers. We’re right back to the same situation before linking. Why anybody can find this grind fun is beyond me.

I can also honestly say (aside from the newfound lag) that I am enjoying this update and I havent been in any blob or zerg (although ive been saved by our zerg on more than 1 occasion due to the population explosion on other servers that have a natural high population that suddenly joined WvW).

Mind you I an a thief main atm and when I see a blob, its always “go for the tail” and win. I LOVE PPKs over PPT’s (although I will always look for situations where both apply). This update makes it a PPK’ers paradise if you know how to roam smart.

What’s up MC.
Yeah you prob have more fun cuz you main thief. I main necro. I don’t have the escapability if I need it so It’s way harder for me. It used to be I could roam around and get fights without being stupidly outnumbered. Now its nothing but blobs and boring.

Not too bad bud.

Being a necro/reaper would be a hindrance, however due to plaguelands and if you were in a small group (more of a havoc size) you are invaluable against a zerg (PvE zergs love to stand in aoe’s I find), combine that with spreading those nasty condis around and you will find lots of dead pplz lol.

I was running with a condi reaper guildie of mine last night and he loooooved corrupting all those boons and plagulanding the groups lol. He was slow af tho if a getaway was needed.

Imo (being only around 500 rank in WvW) I don’t want things like these armor/wep skins just handed to me. 2 months feels too easy and feels like it wasn’t rightfully earned. 2k ranks may be a ways for me (Im a filthy casual WvW’er due to real life adult stuff…but my focus is WvW), getting that armor and such feels like a true accomplishment that was well deserved.

Baldrick.8967:

No. Terrible idea. It’s bad enough that stacked servers get massively more pips due to their previous blobbyness, now you want to give them more?

I can agree with this statement, although as a PPKer more than a PPTer, I also agree with more PIPs pending on kills, however BvB isn’t something that myself or a mot of PPKers I know care for due to the imminent lag (either general or skill)

Nocturnal Lunacy.8563:

I think you forgot to mention the only players having fun with this stupid update are the blobbers running over less populated servers. We’re right back to the same situation before linking. Why anybody can find this grind fun is beyond me.

I can also honestly say (aside from the newfound lag) that I am enjoying this update and I havent been in any blob or zerg (although ive been saved by our zerg on more than 1 occasion due to the population explosion on other servers that have a natural high population that suddenly joined WvW).

Mind you I an a thief main atm and when I see a blob, its always “go for the tail” and win. I LOVE PPKs over PPT’s (although I will always look for situations where both apply). This update makes it a PPK’ers paradise if you know how to roam smart.

zomgbuffalo.5276:

Guys, I know everyone is happy about the new patch and how godlike it is, but Condi balance in WvW is still utter complete piece of donkeys poopoo. Condi players spamming defensive abilities can deliver as much dps as active power player while requiring less effort.

The game mode has not improved one bit, because we still have stupid balance where every class can literally run condi cancer build and annoy you all day long. Yes, I am talking mostly about thieves.

STAY WOKE PEOPLE.

I can honestly say that I have run into 1 condi teef build and more condi necros/chronos/druids you can shake a stick at. A typical trick for fighting condi is try to stay ranged if possible as its literally a pure l2p concern. Yes they exist and no they probably wont go away anytime soon so i would advise to either adapt your build or change class or bail from WvW until the PvE’ers dust settles.

Tongku.5326:

Bigpapasmurf.5623:

Hello peeps,

I used to main scrapper when the gyros stunned upon detonation, however since that, my love of Scrapper has ended (RIP my build that would 1v3 easily). I don’t see many scrappers on the WvW field and despite my love my condi vanilla engi, it doesn’t fill that void that my scrapper did.

Saying that, I have been thoerycrafting a build that doesn’t rely on kits or turrets (as I have usually avoided anything meta as I find meta is boring af).

This is the build. I have been playing with the stats on wep/armor by swapping out the soldier/valk.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vdAQFASncoCtoiVXB2XBEqilJjKc7Smwi+vz79W8ZKgAA-TFCEQBE4CCkj9H2oSwWoegDV+BgHEQH0RADVcIFQELjA-w

Im essentially going for very decent DPS, at least 50% crit chance, and at least 19-20k HP. I know that I will have issues with decent condi reapers (as even my old build had)but in general something that hits hard, can take a few hits and sustain itself a bit and doesn’t rely on kits/turrets (which is my goal)

Let me know what you think. I have tried rifle but was very slow and clunky (hated it). I JUST WANT TO LOVE MY HAMMER SCRAPPER AGAIN

edit: Thanks santenal for letting me know I forgot to link the build,lol….gonna be a looooong night.

Hi

I used to run a variant to your build quite a bit. The removal of daze on detonate has made it weaker, but it still performs good. it shines in small and mid size groups, large groups too but you need to learn to really time your hammer 3 dives, if you do, it is excellent.

heres the link http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vdAQFASncTBFpideB2XBEqilJji+vr7+W8ZKgAIsfSmwC-TFCEQBE4CCAgHEwGVCaj9HcoSsWo+jTUe0BdEkCoIlRA-w

I run slick shoes because a slick shoes combo + elixir S or hammer 3 while diving in on a group of opponents is just such a beautiful thing, helps while being chased too and the toolbelt of off it gives you a low CD extra stunbreak with superspeed.

The build generates a lot of superspeed, which also heals you. More armor and HP, yours is too squishy for front engagements unless you’re 1v1 which doesn’t happen often.

Also I run different food, runes and some different traits, feel take a look. The build shines vs condi reapers and mesmers once you get some practice and start timing your reflects correctly.

It is close, however the crit chance is whats throwing me off. I never think of slick shoes as its more of a panic button (imo anyway). You def have more toughness but DPS is also lower. I may try this out.

apharma.3741:

High risk, high reward. Had the burst failed the mesmer might as well stop and die.

This is true. While the GS burst requires most of the GS abilities activated as well as the strongest shatter (DPS wise), if that fails then the Mesmer relies on the utilities and AA until things are off CD. We don’t know the circumstance in which this transpired (were you afk, or just standing around or were you actively fighting it when this happened?).

If the burst fails (which can one shot a lot of classes/builds, refer to Youtube as there are a few ppl that come to mind for vids) then you have the upper hand to burst them right back and luckily for you, your burst is a bit more reliable.

flog.3485:

I want to be able to obtain legendary WvW backpack while doing open world PvE content. I can not accept that Anet forces me to do content that I am not familiar with and thus that I will not enjoy /s

but but but it wouldn’t be a “WvW legendary” backpack if you didn’t have to run in WvW tho. We WvWers couldnt get the PvP or the fractual backpack without leaving WvW and going into their respective mode.

Getting people out of their normal mode to do something different is what I like about Anet…they want you to experience everything if you want everything. If you want something bad, sacrifices need to be made…plain and simple. WOuldn’t be fun if anet just gave it to you

Tiny Doom.4380:

Bigpapasmurf.5623:

Meh, everyone knows YB are siege humpers

If only. Sadly, those days died when DK and most of the Commanders and long-timers that supported him drifted away at the beginning of this year. We seem to have few people left who know how to place siege effectively and even fewer who care to try. The culture of keeping most structures fully sieged throughout a match is long, long in the past and if there are any Commanders left who care about holding what they take for more than a single skirmish then they certainly aren’t playing in my time zones.

I can’t speak for NA primetime, which I never see, but for the other 16 hours of the day it’s mainly Commanders looking for fights, be that open field or over structures. The purpose of taking or defending structures in order to own them for the maximum amount of time throughout each match, which I have always taken to be the essential and intended mechanic of the game mode, appears to have fallen by the wayside and without that goal there is no particular reason to favor siege engines.

Although I’ll never move my YB account, having played there since beta, I am increasing playing my other accounts on servers that, these days, seem to have a much greater appreciation and understanding of siegecraft. YB may always retain the reputation of the “siege server” but unless something changes it will be a reputation based on ancient glories not present practices.

Well I can say one thing…its thanks to those “days of glory” from YB (from facing them as many times as I have) that I know how and where to effectively place certain siege whether its to defend or attack.

zoomborg.9462:

WvW is hard, we need story mode, anet fix plis.

OP troll, needs to accept Jebus in their life and eat maple bacon

I personally find that my staff (as opposed to my lb) does way better where I can still sit range and the auto cannot be blocked with shield or reflected. Pair that up with Quickening Zephyr and watch them panic. If you are already on LB, make sure you use the LB5 first to put some speed pressure on them first.

Your pets also give you an advantage as they can trigger traps and deal extra damage and pressure.

*tip, if using LB, bait out the CC trap that are usually spec’d for by using the wolf’s howl as the initial CC which will force them to drop the trap, then use the LB root combo. This way the knock back will actually knock them back.

Pretty much anything with shortbow really. This will give you the best mobility. If you are a daredevil then Dash is what you should take. The rest is pretty much up to you,

Swagger.1459:

Bigpapasmurf.5623:

While i love PPK, I tend to spare those with low ranks in hopes they will stay in WvW (unless they constantly engage me while roaming, then I may stomp once). It will be nice to see new people, even if its for a short period of time.

On the flip side, we don’t need any more toxic attitudes either in map or team chat so if you are constantly raging, salty whispering or always blaming other people for your own faults, WvW doesn’t need you.

See you on the battlefield

I agree with the op about being nicer to new players coming in, and you not wanting more “toxic attitudes”, but I’m confused… This below seems contradictory to what you want and doesn’t really set a good precedent for new players reading the forums…

Bigpapasmurf.5623:

Meh, everyone knows YB are siege humpers and can only win when they are outnumbering and have at least 6+ people. Its something Ive learned to deal with (that and their salty whisperers)

1v2’d a group today (was a pretty good fight), then 2v4’d another. Got 3 salty whispers from 3 diff people (I lagged at one point when I was getting condi bombed by a necro). I just take the salt and sprinkle it on my “idc fries” and disable half their siege for fun (when im passing someone using it ofc…even if im not engaged in the fight in question).

Just like BrainlessBlobGate, Spawn Camper Mag, and salty JQ, once you get them separated from their carebear zerg, they all die like the rest shrug

If your concern is with new players, then it also starts with not being toxic on the forums right?

Touche good sir and/or madam, you are absolutely correct and I commend you for pointing that out and apologize for my contradiction.

Hello peeps,

I used to main scrapper when the gyros stunned upon detonation, however since that, my love of Scrapper has ended (RIP my build that would 1v3 easily). I don’t see many scrappers on the WvW field and despite my love my condi vanilla engi, it doesn’t fill that void that my scrapper did.

Saying that, I have been thoerycrafting a build that doesn’t rely on kits or turrets (as I have usually avoided anything meta as I find meta is boring af).

This is the build. I have been playing with the stats on wep/armor by swapping out the soldier/valk.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vdAQFASncoCtoiVXB2XBEqilJjKc7Smwi+vz79W8ZKgAA-TFCEQBE4CCkj9H2oSwWoegDV+BgHEQH0RADVcIFQELjA-w

Im essentially going for very decent DPS, at least 50% crit chance, and at least 19-20k HP. I know that I will have issues with decent condi reapers (as even my old build had)but in general something that hits hard, can take a few hits and sustain itself a bit and doesn’t rely on kits/turrets (which is my goal)

Let me know what you think. I have tried rifle but was very slow and clunky (hated it). I JUST WANT TO LOVE MY HAMMER SCRAPPER AGAIN

edit: Thanks santenal for letting me know I forgot to link the build,lol….gonna be a looooong night.

CreedOfGod.9764:

I hope they nerf /p to the ground honestly. Getting tired of head shot spam ez mode since it makes using other weapon sets so much more difficult to use against it. I’d be happy if they changed stealth attacks based of both hands instead of just main.

Why? Lots of initiative waste when you let a HS spamming teef do its thing when you are not even casting anything ;P

Free kill in my books.

While i love PPK, I tend to spare those with low ranks in hopes they will stay in WvW (unless they constantly engage me while roaming, then I may stomp once). It will be nice to see new people, even if its for a short period of time.

On the flip side, we don’t need any more toxic attitudes either in map or team chat so if you are constantly raging, salty whispering or always blaming other people for your own faults, WvW doesn’t need you.

See you on the battlefield

Meh, everyone knows YB are siege humpers and can only win when they are outnumbering and have at least 6+ people. Its something Ive learned to deal with (that and their salty whisperers)

1v2’d a group today (was a pretty good fight), then 2v4’d another. Got 3 salty whispers from 3 diff people (I lagged at one point when I was getting condi bombed by a necro). I just take the salt and sprinkle it on my “idc fries” and disable half their siege for fun (when im passing someone using it ofc…even if im not engaged in the fight in question).

Just like BrainlessBlobGate, Spawn Camper Mag, and salty JQ, once you get them separated from their carebear zerg, they all die like the rest shrug

Looks like I will be sparring more lives once this update comes out, for about a month after.

Could have been a last ditch effort to flush some ppl out of the lords room. bali’s hurt and they are somewhat placed in the gate’s LoS

Obsidian Sanctum could be a lobby

Sly.9518:

Zaoda.1653:

I dislike all thieves – when I’m on the opposite end of their wraith of course ;-)

I think for me personally, it’s the fact that there are hardly any skills (or no skills, in many cases), available for you to use to counter the opponent’s stealth. Many classes have condition removal skills and such – why not stealth removal skills/traits?

If only there were skills that caused thieves to be Revealed if only Over half of the classes could do such a thing……..

In all fairness tho, some of us live for that debuff. If someone wanted to reveal me w/o me using my init for it and give me +200 power…who am I to complain

I have played both (not seriously, but more of a “this is how you beat them” kind of playing them) and I can safely say that those that do not know how to properly play a thief, play these because we all know…

Those who can’t play…play condi cheese

pretty sure there is something somewhere that Anet approved the use of it. It doesn’t give you an advantage over someone else as it just changed the cursor icons.

Zintrothen.1056:

Not enough stability? They cut down on stability last “balance” patch because there was too much of it! And I for one loved those changes. Anet is beginning to recognize some of the powercreep issues that came with HoT or even existed before HoT.

The next step to cut down on the CC output so that players have to use their CCs wisely.

Scrapper took the biggest nerf to this suggestion (Anet removed stun on gyro), This is why and when I stopped playing Scrapper and if they nerf it so they have less CC then Scrapper’s hammer (which was already nerfed a few times) will be more useless in group fights. Its bad enough scrapper only really has 2 usable weapons atm (hammer/pistol). Rifle and shield are nothing. The fact that half of a classes weapon sets are useless should say something.

Cosmos The Cat.2954:

I’ve met some really cool people and had great duels with the mechanic. It’s all perspective. If they are sending me hate messages, its usually because I play thief.
I love thief hate.

Oooo OOooo Ooooo or the hate when you need to bail or need NPC help because there’s 2+ of them (at least 1 hard counter) and 1 of you and the think you should be stupid and fight to lose so they can jump on your corpse or throw siege on it.

Ooooo OoooO OOooo or when you beat someone who keep engaging in outnumbered fights that include you and they whisper you like “pffft git gud, you need insert # of ppl here to beat me, hilarious” an dyou are all like “dude, you are the one who keeps trying to fight outnumbered” then they block ya before you send it

Classic. Everyone knows if they block you before you say anything, you won and they automatically lose whatever petty argument/rant they had.

Cerby.1069:

Choppy.4183:

@vove.2768

Out of curiosity, which build(s) are you normally playing when you get this whisper grief?

Why would you wanna know that? what does that even have to do with the OP?

Ur asking for trouble m8. No matter what you run it doesn’t justify toxic comments.

I think they want to run the same build so they can get whispers too

1. Your class/role or designation/weaponset (Daredevil – D/P + P/P)
2. The food you use (Jerk Poultry and Nopal Flatbread Sandwich)
3. The utilities you use (Writ of Masterful Strength or Potent Superior Sharpening Stone)

4. Explanation of the choices made above if needed
- Main build goal is to do as push as much damage as possible for bursting purposes. With the ideal set up (max stacks of might from P/P and full bloodlust) I can push 4100 power and maintain about ~3800. Where I primarily focus on PPK (unless im pugmanding), this helps me get really fast kills and able to hit 15k+ backstabs.

I have literally deleted a condi reaper with full shroud in under 4s.

FirstInfantry.2795:

Hey Danny not sure if you already transferred, just wanted to let you know you are not the only victim those players in IOJ targetted just take a look at this:

https://imgur.com/a/abo2I

I think CD in general is a very respective community, if you haven’t transferred yet why not give us 1 more chance, the new server linkings will be happening soon.

One big reason why I left CD a long time ago…I have dealt with that for a couple of years. The fact it still happens (mind you same person too,lol…things never change) tells me that it wont change. I also showed him up as well with a 8 man group vs his 20 man. Same attitude. Sorry to hear he still exists. Should tell him to go back to PvP :P

Favorite:
- My DD build that could push 4.1k power under perfect conditions
- My old Bunker Busting Butthead scrapper build (RIP) that could 3v1 most ppl easy, til anet pooped on it with 1 nerf….I WANT STUNS BACK ON GYROS….hehe
- Arcane FA ele (Ive been beat by this a lot but this build amazes me where its vanilla)

Not so much favorite (aka some of the ones I have little to no respect for):
- D/D perma evade condi teef
- Ghost thief (which was nerfed but still worth a mention)
- Full Trapper DH (I main thief so i have a natural hatred for this build lol)

TheDarkSoul.1938:

Man, this was an entertaining read.

Martym, please don’t claim that the thief players in this forum that ACTUALLY know what they’re talking about (you dont) are “Bronze players” whilst simultaneously claiming that Thieves are balanced around 1v1 in Conquest and that NOT 1v1ing on points makes you a bad Thief.

Literally watch any single one of the e-sports leagues, watch players like Sindrener and Toker, do you see them dueling on point? No. Do you see them running away from 1v1s? Yes. Why? Because any Thief player worth his salt knows that no matter how good he is at 1v1, that is NOT his role and is not what his class is suited towards in a 5v5 context. If I see a DH coming to 1v1 me on point, I WILL leave because I’ll lose that fight almost every time. That has nothing to do with my skills as a Thief (pretty average admittedly) but everything to do with how Thief is pretty poor at fighting 1v1 in PvP, and how DH or Necro or Zerker or Ranger… They’re much better at fighting on a point than I am.

How on earth you can claim that Thief is balanced around 1v1 when literally everyone knows that balance in this game is done with 5v5 Conquest in mind is beyond me. This has been the case for a long time.

I will agree with most of this, however pending on the class or build (from what I can see), I may fight 1v1 on a point, however if 2+ come then i’ve done my job and gtfo to another point.

I love getting angry whispers. It usually ends up me making friends, dueling partners, and allies when we are finally paired up…mind you not all become friends as some people need to be keyboard warriors while their mother delivers their hot pockets to their basement where they live.

1 word…Courtyard