Guild Wars 2

Crinn.7864:

Maybe you’d win more if you stopped running lich form, mainhand dagger, and signet of undeath.

tbh i was thinking the same thing. Whilst I appreciate using something different, this possibly is a l2p or a build issue.

Im sure someone could give him pointers for builds to help him going forward.

Cynz.9437:

Bigpapasmurf.5623:

Cynz.9437:

Bigpapasmurf.5623:

Cynz.9437:

Bigpapasmurf.5623:

Cynz.9437:

Burn guard – let them stack burns then cleanse them -> they won’t have CDs and you can kill them with ease.

Scrapper is just no go. Not happening. Run.

False. Bait out their passive elixir S by doing some burst damage (Save your steal or keep an interrupt ready) which will pop when they hit 25% HP. If this happens automatically, they are running Alchemy and will be shrunk for 3 seconds. Prepare your interrupt by counting (I use P/P so after 3, I unload)

If they are quick enough and pop their Elixir S utility, get ready as they are going to pop heal turret after. Either do another burst or interrupt. Typically when I force their passive elixir, they don’t have time to pop anything else thanks to a well timed unload or 2.

are we talking about pvp here?

Both (as I see this A LOT in both modes)

For DH, fight ranged in you can (SB or P/P)

If its a trapper, SB poison field will force them off their traps they are camping.

If its burn, let them burst some stacks and cleanse as most DH blow their load at first.

PP is fodder for anyone with brain in pvp.
Half decent scrapper will not die to thief (unless they afk/cat poops on keyboard etc.)

I dunno…I think I have some vids i cropped of my teef in PvP vs as crapper or 2. Ill have to find them. Ive beaten lots of scrapper (I also dont camp P/P much as my main damage comes from D/P)

I want to see you beating Zan, i really do.

No idea who that is but im always down for fighting anyone or any class. Ill prob get beat but the only way to get better is to fight against better

Mind you I WvW more than PvP so Ill have some digging around to do.

So no complaints against thieves/berserkers?

When a mes blows their DPS load, they use enough of their abilities/utilities that if they fail, they are pretty much wide open for a good enough time.

Mes can def one shot people, just as thief (such as mine I main). You need to watch for the spinning GS animation, despite it being quick, its not too fast to not notice (good way to work on reflexes)

Maybe play one and learn its rotation and you will know what to watch for yourself after.

Straegen.2938:

People always complain about meta when their specific way they want to play isn’t part of it. If a player rolls with something that isn’t meta, they should expect to be at a disadvantage against players running meta.

Its not like Condi thief is so OP nothing can beat it. I have a pretty strong Condi Thief build and several competitive meta builds are an uphill fight… looking at you DH.

I never use meta so I guess im part of the minority here. I find my builds suit me and I still don’t have much issue getting my kills. In fact, compared to a guildie of mine that dies use meta DD (both of us are DD), I actually do better than him.

Some people will always complain about anything and everything, its human nature or they need to poop really bad :p

Cynz.9437:

Bigpapasmurf.5623:

Cynz.9437:

Bigpapasmurf.5623:

Cynz.9437:

Burn guard – let them stack burns then cleanse them -> they won’t have CDs and you can kill them with ease.

Scrapper is just no go. Not happening. Run.

False. Bait out their passive elixir S by doing some burst damage (Save your steal or keep an interrupt ready) which will pop when they hit 25% HP. If this happens automatically, they are running Alchemy and will be shrunk for 3 seconds. Prepare your interrupt by counting (I use P/P so after 3, I unload)

If they are quick enough and pop their Elixir S utility, get ready as they are going to pop heal turret after. Either do another burst or interrupt. Typically when I force their passive elixir, they don’t have time to pop anything else thanks to a well timed unload or 2.

are we talking about pvp here?

Both (as I see this A LOT in both modes)

For DH, fight ranged in you can (SB or P/P)

If its a trapper, SB poison field will force them off their traps they are camping.

If its burn, let them burst some stacks and cleanse as most DH blow their load at first.

PP is fodder for anyone with brain in pvp.
Half decent scrapper will not die to thief (unless they afk/cat poops on keyboard etc.)

I dunno…I think I have some vids i cropped of my teef in PvP vs as crapper or 2. Ill have to find them. Ive beaten lots of scrapper (I also dont camp P/P much as my main damage comes from D/P)

Cynz.9437:

Bigpapasmurf.5623:

Cynz.9437:

Burn guard – let them stack burns then cleanse them -> they won’t have CDs and you can kill them with ease.

Scrapper is just no go. Not happening. Run.

False. Bait out their passive elixir S by doing some burst damage (Save your steal or keep an interrupt ready) which will pop when they hit 25% HP. If this happens automatically, they are running Alchemy and will be shrunk for 3 seconds. Prepare your interrupt by counting (I use P/P so after 3, I unload)

If they are quick enough and pop their Elixir S utility, get ready as they are going to pop heal turret after. Either do another burst or interrupt. Typically when I force their passive elixir, they don’t have time to pop anything else thanks to a well timed unload or 2.

are we talking about pvp here?

Both (as I see this A LOT in both modes)

For DH, fight ranged in you can (SB or P/P)

If its a trapper, SB poison field will force them off their traps they are camping.

If its burn, let them burst some stacks and cleanse as most DH blow their load at first.

DeceiverX.8361:

Bigpapasmurf.5623:

Alatar.7364:

Bigpapasmurf.5623:

Alatar.7364:

Bigpapasmurf.5623:

Alatar.7364:

Bigpapasmurf.5623:

Imo, I myself never back down from a fight on my Thief/DD regardless the class. Scrapper, on an equal skill level, should beat the thief, however, some of us want to learn to fight and beat you and the only way to do that is to fight you.

Call it what you will, but to be good or git gud, you have to learn to fight vs good.

I suggest doing that in Unranked matches and/or Custom 1v1 Arenas, rather than in Ranked matches which is, I believe, this thread about.

Lol i think its a general observation that may have been observed in PvP, but really in sPvP or WvW scrappers should beat teffers. call em brazen but even in PvP (both ranked and non) an enemy scrapper is still an enemy. I may beat him and he may beat me…only one way to tell. You may be surprised

I am not sure if I understood you correctly, but in case I did =D ->
I am not at all telling you that you can’t fight Scrapper (or anyone at that point) I am just saying that if you want to practice Thief (or any class ever) then it is highly advised doing that in Unranked/1v1 Arenas and not in Ranked matches as it is highly possible that the lack of experience with the class will cause the team Lose and generaly people play Rank to win. I lost many matches because people went to Rank to practice something they did not try before and we lost right way, I never wrote to them any insults but lets face it: It was totaly * * * * * and selfish decision of them.

In case I did not understand what you ment correctly, just ignore the entire upper part of this post =D

Lets just say were both out in left field,lol. As a thief main (in PvP (thief and guard main in pvp actually) and WvW, I fight all scrappers as the majority of fights end in my favor. Maybe i seem to fight those having a bad day or maybe they are terribad but with my mentality, if I win against them more than lose, ofc I will fight them. If its one I think I am going to lose, I have no issues bailing and finding a diff target until i feel brazen again or if I figured out their rotation.

The question is not whether you kill them, but how long does it take you to kill them.
In most cases, if not all cases, it is better to be off, as a Thief, decapping 2 points or +1ing other Fights, rather then spending but 30 secs fighting Scrappers or any other class that might take long to kill. If you kill them super quick then its ok, but even few more seconds means loss of points or just worse advantage.

Now it’s going outside brazen and into experience. Personally, If I can’t kill you in a 1v1 in PvP in under ~30 seconds, ill bail because either:

1.) If a scapper can’t kill me in this timeframe, it’s pointless continuing fighting them.

2.) My time/killing ways will give us more points elsewhere and ill come back to the initial point after.

Where I do not run sb, even tho I do have a focus on decapping, my focus leans a bit more on PPK so if I can +1 where there are multiple enemies, I am there.

The point is that 30 seconds is too long to be spending in a 1v1 in higher tier play. Every good thief will tell you this.

Like I said originally, I think it’s people being unaware of how and what they’re supposed to do with so many people flocking to the Daredevil, now. Gambling 30s for a potentially lost 1v1 is basically giving your enemies 30 extra points or more.

Call me kitteny, however vs scrappers (or the ones I have faced) I beat the majority of them…granted I fight them point.. 5 points + making it a 5v4 for 10+ seconds afterwards + steal a cap…ill take whatever toxic abuse PvP’ers can throw at me as when I fight for a point, it’s gonna be mine (more often than not if its an even numbered fight…outnumbered I usually don’t even think about it unless I can force 2+ people to chase me making the #’s on the field our favor)

Cynz.9437:

Burn guard – let them stack burns then cleanse them -> they won’t have CDs and you can kill them with ease.

Scrapper is just no go. Not happening. Run.

False. Bait out their passive elixir S by doing some burst damage (Save your steal or keep an interrupt ready) which will pop when they hit 25% HP. If this happens automatically, they are running Alchemy and will be shrunk for 3 seconds. Prepare your interrupt by counting (I use P/P so after 3, I unload)

If they are quick enough and pop their Elixir S utility, get ready as they are going to pop heal turret after. Either do another burst or interrupt. Typically when I force their passive elixir, they don’t have time to pop anything else thanks to a well timed unload or 2.

ugrakarma.9416:

King xiuras.3615:

Ive noticed that there are more condi thiefs in pvp and tournaments. I can’t beat them as warriors because of their endless evades and condi’s…. Its so broken…..

Any advice?

Condi burn warrior, burn them.

the rotation is: all slot rage skills to stack much burn as u can -> headbut/fill adrenalin -> berseker mode -> longbow burns, -> swap to sword/torch -> use torch skills, ->sword #1 to stack bleed on him. … hes dead even before u finish thins rotation.

If they evade any of your attacks, they could potentially cleanse this burn over and over. This is why 1 condi builds are potentially useless against them…thanks to Escapist’s Absolution. You need more than a 1 condi gimmick build if you are going to try to condi them down. (meaning you need more variety condi sustain)

Chaba.5410:

XenesisII.1540:

Go read the thread bigpapasmurf, sounds like you’re trying to get a win over me or something lol.

Chaba wanted to know what Anet was going to do with links since it was expected that populations would go up. So what did they want to do if not lose their link to help FA queues? relink with the lowest server? even though it was expected every single server would get an increase in population? (nevermind there are 5 other single link servers that could warrant them getting the lowest first like YB). Did they think somehow that would fix their queue problem?

I stated that we would need to to wait and see what actions they need to do, because anet would probably need weeks of data to do the appropriate action. Whether that was to adjust links, or map caps since some servers don’t even have links, or even pop caps if a server was full but not really getting queues as much. We all really had no idea how much of a difference the changes would make, how many players would actually play, or how many would actually stick around, not even Anet would know that from just that week.

Now Chaba has changed their tune, they “don’t pretend to know what the best solution is without access to actual data”. Then why did you put up a thread about changing links? and then arguing with me about them needing to collect data to make the appropriate move?

My question hasn’t been answered yet, is FA still experiencing 4 queue nights other than reset? (oh hell you know what I’ll just log into my alt account there and see for myself over the next week). Being full doesn’t mean you experience 4 queues a night, Mag has been full a while and they don’t experience 4 map queues a night, just EBG. Chaba panicked about queues, I’m sure they all want links now because FA losing theirs would probably mean them dropping to T4.

Anet didn’t need to do a knee jerk reaction to the spike in population, when three weeks later it looks like it’s calmed down. Guess what the best solution was? ride it out and three weeks later get proper links redone tomorrow.

I did not change my tune. I take issue with you making speculations then trying to ascribe it to me as if it were something I wrote. Own up to your own thoughts.

I don’t answer the questions of people who go around saying false things about others.

Also losing the link may not be the answer as queue’s are determined by all servers in the matchup trying to get into WvW in general, meaning that it doesn’t necessarily mean (In FA’s case) that’s its due to FA having a pairing with SF so its both populations alone thats causing the queue.

I do agree that anet will be/should be looking at the relinks to help balance out the overall population of the linkings, however tomorrow night will def be an indication of what’s to come.

side note – at the risk of sounding like a jerk (which is not my intention), getting called out twice by the same person should indicate that assumptions should not be stated unless there is a clarified statement to back up the claim….just saying for future reference and in my earlier post, I was looking for this clarified statement as your post held no proof of who said what…which is a totally legit inquiry and I apologize if it came off that I was “trying to win one”, however to jump to that immediate conclusion without clarification also adds to this side note’s meaning.

BGDM overlay does just that. Shows distance compared to targeted item, and for structures and NPC’s, even shows a more accurate HP % as well as numerical value of HP remaining. (Also party DPS/boon/DoT meters)

David.5974:

Your build is good but don’t you think that fun gyro is really helpfull friend? I try core condi engi in many variants but even if I don’t pick any trait in scrapper trait line – function gyro overshadow other traits. It is easy stomp, succes ress on 20sec cd and your reward is superspeed,might and advantage for your team.

Helpful maybe, however I have enough defenses and safe stomps to not need the gyro. In a condi build, scrapper line gives very little, thus making it more of a “hybrid”.

If I cared to make a scrapper condi build, I would lose either survivability/Mobility. You could go FA/AL/SC and take sneak gyro I guess, but imo you lose your mobility and a bit of survivability. It all depends on what you can do w/o I guess. To me, mobility is a biggie so I learned to not need scrapper to kick butt with my vanilla build.

As long as you are having fun, thats all that matters

True story tho:

Thieves should beat necros

Necros can win 1v1’s, although they are at their prime in team fights

Playing with necro in pvp “is” possible

LET THE DOGS SHOUT….L2P

newbihack.7180:

daw.4923:

i love long baths in salt,so im staying.

One player left is a lose to Anet. I hope you understand some economy and business concepts, since you lack the understanding of customer services.

I too love long baths in salt. Someone comes in here and says what they did, without saying any specifics why or look for anything constructive, then i say…

BYE FELICIA.

Odokuro.5049:

Bigpapasmurf.5623:

Lahmia.2193:

Odokuro.5049:

Lahmia.2193:

Leolas.6273:

Those Condi thieves really sucks. The whole WvWvW is full with condis now and anet really think this should be fun? How pathetic. I will now really leave this game because it is really unfun to play. I can spend my freetime for more better games than this kitten.

Cool story. Send us all your materials and gold.

I wonder how far people can beat a dead meme.

As long as I have strength in my arm and QQ’ers, who threaten to leave because of something minor, I shall beat it hard.

^this….I totally love this and will stand erect in support of it 100%

You guys are super edgy man.

Im a pretty balls to the wall type of person

Alatar.7364:

Bigpapasmurf.5623:

Alatar.7364:

Bigpapasmurf.5623:

Alatar.7364:

Bigpapasmurf.5623:

Imo, I myself never back down from a fight on my Thief/DD regardless the class. Scrapper, on an equal skill level, should beat the thief, however, some of us want to learn to fight and beat you and the only way to do that is to fight you.

Call it what you will, but to be good or git gud, you have to learn to fight vs good.

I suggest doing that in Unranked matches and/or Custom 1v1 Arenas, rather than in Ranked matches which is, I believe, this thread about.

Lol i think its a general observation that may have been observed in PvP, but really in sPvP or WvW scrappers should beat teffers. call em brazen but even in PvP (both ranked and non) an enemy scrapper is still an enemy. I may beat him and he may beat me…only one way to tell. You may be surprised

I am not sure if I understood you correctly, but in case I did =D ->
I am not at all telling you that you can’t fight Scrapper (or anyone at that point) I am just saying that if you want to practice Thief (or any class ever) then it is highly advised doing that in Unranked/1v1 Arenas and not in Ranked matches as it is highly possible that the lack of experience with the class will cause the team Lose and generaly people play Rank to win. I lost many matches because people went to Rank to practice something they did not try before and we lost right way, I never wrote to them any insults but lets face it: It was totaly * * * * * and selfish decision of them.

In case I did not understand what you ment correctly, just ignore the entire upper part of this post =D

Lets just say were both out in left field,lol. As a thief main (in PvP (thief and guard main in pvp actually) and WvW, I fight all scrappers as the majority of fights end in my favor. Maybe i seem to fight those having a bad day or maybe they are terribad but with my mentality, if I win against them more than lose, ofc I will fight them. If its one I think I am going to lose, I have no issues bailing and finding a diff target until i feel brazen again or if I figured out their rotation.

The question is not whether you kill them, but how long does it take you to kill them.
In most cases, if not all cases, it is better to be off, as a Thief, decapping 2 points or +1ing other Fights, rather then spending but 30 secs fighting Scrappers or any other class that might take long to kill. If you kill them super quick then its ok, but even few more seconds means loss of points or just worse advantage.

Now it’s going outside brazen and into experience. Personally, If I can’t kill you in a 1v1 in PvP in under ~30 seconds, ill bail because either:

1.) If a scapper can’t kill me in this timeframe, it’s pointless continuing fighting them.

2.) My time/killing ways will give us more points elsewhere and ill come back to the initial point after.

Where I do not run sb, even tho I do have a focus on decapping, my focus leans a bit more on PPK so if I can +1 where there are multiple enemies, I am there.

When you can push 4100 power, as a thief, you can drop someone fast when you have the extra 20% damage boost. I hate fights that drag on so if I can get them below 50% HP, it tends to end a bit quicker. I used to use improv but switched to executioner probably 3 months ago, I am totally glad i did…but as mentioned, its a preference thing. If improv works better for you then go for it. Where the name of the game is to kill things, you can never have enough damage (In PvP/WvW anyway, PvE may be a diff story)

Lahmia.2193:

Odokuro.5049:

Lahmia.2193:

Leolas.6273:

Those Condi thieves really sucks. The whole WvWvW is full with condis now and anet really think this should be fun? How pathetic. I will now really leave this game because it is really unfun to play. I can spend my freetime for more better games than this kitten.

Cool story. Send us all your materials and gold.

I wonder how far people can beat a dead meme.

As long as I have strength in my arm and QQ’ers, who threaten to leave because of something minor, I shall beat it hard.

^this….I totally love this and will stand erect in support of it 100%

Chaba.5410:

XenesisII.1540:

And you were complaining about queues, FA is locked, what else would you want them to do for FA if not take away the link? That’s the only thing that will clear up your queues.

You don’t know that. That’s extremely simplistic thinking by you. I don’t pretend to know the best solution without access to the actual data. Only Anet knows how full “Full” is.

Moreover, the goal of server links is to provide teams of relatively even strength. I would not write something stupid like “we don’t want a link” contrary to that goal. Link status should always be based on relative strength against other teams. The patch made those outdated.

Here’s the thread in reference for anyone interested: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/June-6-Patch-Server-Links-and-Pops/first

TLDR:
1- Patch was going to spike population averages upwards and make server pairings quickly outdated.
2- Outdated server links can exacerbate the length/size of queues.
3- Long queues are a negative impact on the WvW experience which can hinder player retention.

Here three weeks later the rolling average still increased from what it was two weeks ago – more Very High servers, one less Medium, and an additional Full server:

So XenesisII, what are your sources for this claim again? Seeing how one of your “sources” called you out, I would like a confirmed source please.

Also, thanks Chaba for clearing your side up

Reaper Alim.4176:

Saiyan.1704:

Reaper Alim.4176:

I heard burn DH was up there with Condi Theif. True or False?

In terms of effectiveness though the PvP ranks, Condi teef can potentially be countered by a single DH, mid fight pressure with heavy aoe such as symbolic DH. Most Condi thief would stick to sides and would try to avoid the guard unless he’s not equally skilled.

Burn DH’s biggest concerns are good power thieves who know how to cc and burst. This can be problematic for burn Guards to 1v1 because we won’t last very long unless we’re able to burst the thief ahead of time with a ready available cd. Aside from that, we perform 3x better in team fights and debatably better on side points.

Both classes are at the mercy of matchmaking but in terms of “carrying” a team by 1v2ing or 1v3ing classes, burn DH comes out on top. (my opinion).

That’s pretty much what I’ve been hearing as well. Just wanted to get more info into the matter.

Condi teef, on equal skill (or skill less…however you prefer to put it) should beat a burn DH. Condi teef removed condis on evade, which means entering or exiting the ring while evading cleanses the DH’s only condi, whereas the teef can apply multiple stacks/conditions while the DH typically doesnt move much.

huluobo.7036:

Ralkuth.1456:

So you’re having problems with Thief?

If you want to hit an enemy in melee who’s weaving in and out of you, you can stand still, and let go of your Right Mouse Button, then hit your Axe skills. The skill, without RMB will track your target while channeling automatically.

If you’re fighting a Thief with Pulmonary Impact, try to blind/daze/fear before attempting a channel, and check if he used Steal as well. If he’s just spamming Headshot, sheathe your weapons and try your best to kite and not get hit by his Dagger autos. Let him burn his initiative then you can cast safely for a period.

For Invulnerability, just wait out the CD, don’t try to hit them in melee. If it’s a Warrior with Endure Pain/Berzerker Stance, kite it, use jump puzzles, stay as far away as you can. If you can’t, control, shroud, or dodge his skills to wait it out.

For Blocks, you have a lot of unblockables in your Staff Marks and Warhorn. If it’s a Guardian who popped his blocks, use your Staff marks, chill and kite him out, or use your Axe 2 and wear out his aegis/focus.

You don’t just stand there and tank a 1v2 1v3, you run around obstacles, slow them down, and try to buy time. If you can’t kill anyone in a 1v2, you don’t need to try. Just hold out until teammates come.

That’s also quite a lot of games played (and you’ve posted many entertaining threads), shows your determination. I think if people piped in to help, and you take something away from the advice, you’ll pull ahead of the 50% winrate you have.

You’re just arena dogs

What does that even mean? It’s apparent its a l2p issue vs certain classes. The best way to remedy this is to find someone you know that can play certain classes and have them spar against you. In order to learn to fight good you must fight versus good.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vdAQJAqalcThatYfXw+Kw6FLsFVYKeRxmYHNFPB4HWiBAA-TJhAQB6rMwJPBAA4BAAj9HAA

This is what I run on my engi in PvP (despite having HoT)

I have done so well using this bad boy, the only 1 class to give me issues is condi reapers.

RedCobra.7693:

Necro still beats ranger 1v1.

Funniest thing ive read for a while…same as Necro beats Thief.

On equal skill level, ranger/teef should always beat necro.

Alatar.7364:

Bigpapasmurf.5623:

Alatar.7364:

Bigpapasmurf.5623:

Imo, I myself never back down from a fight on my Thief/DD regardless the class. Scrapper, on an equal skill level, should beat the thief, however, some of us want to learn to fight and beat you and the only way to do that is to fight you.

Call it what you will, but to be good or git gud, you have to learn to fight vs good.

I suggest doing that in Unranked matches and/or Custom 1v1 Arenas, rather than in Ranked matches which is, I believe, this thread about.

Lol i think its a general observation that may have been observed in PvP, but really in sPvP or WvW scrappers should beat teffers. call em brazen but even in PvP (both ranked and non) an enemy scrapper is still an enemy. I may beat him and he may beat me…only one way to tell. You may be surprised

I am not sure if I understood you correctly, but in case I did =D ->
I am not at all telling you that you can’t fight Scrapper (or anyone at that point) I am just saying that if you want to practice Thief (or any class ever) then it is highly advised doing that in Unranked/1v1 Arenas and not in Ranked matches as it is highly possible that the lack of experience with the class will cause the team Lose and generaly people play Rank to win. I lost many matches because people went to Rank to practice something they did not try before and we lost right way, I never wrote to them any insults but lets face it: It was totaly * * * * * and selfish decision of them.

In case I did not understand what you ment correctly, just ignore the entire upper part of this post =D

Lets just say were both out in left field,lol. As a thief main (in PvP (thief and guard main in pvp actually) and WvW, I fight all scrappers as the majority of fights end in my favor. Maybe i seem to fight those having a bad day or maybe they are terribad but with my mentality, if I win against them more than lose, ofc I will fight them. If its one I think I am going to lose, I have no issues bailing and finding a diff target until i feel brazen again or if I figured out their rotation.

Trajan.4953:

OK define “roaming”?

If it is flipping camps, curtailing supply, scouting etc then I respect that. However “Roaming” in this day and age is all about ganking and nothing more.

I stand by my statement.

Roaming, to be technical in GW2, is what happens when you are either solo running around, or with 3 or less people. Roaming isn’t defined by what you do but by how many people you do it with giggidy.

Alatar.7364:

Bigpapasmurf.5623:

Imo, I myself never back down from a fight on my Thief/DD regardless the class. Scrapper, on an equal skill level, should beat the thief, however, some of us want to learn to fight and beat you and the only way to do that is to fight you.

Call it what you will, but to be good or git gud, you have to learn to fight vs good.

I suggest doing that in Unranked matches and/or Custom 1v1 Arenas, rather than in Ranked matches which is, I believe, this thread about.

Lol i think its a general observation that may have been observed in PvP, but really in sPvP or WvW scrappers should beat teffers. call em brazen but even in PvP (both ranked and non) an enemy scrapper is still an enemy. I may beat him and he may beat me…only one way to tell. You may be surprised

Looks like another bunker meta huh? Seems I am going to have to dust off my Bunker Busting build again…sweeeeeeet.

I still see lots of wars out in WvW that do just fine. Maybe its your tier?

Imo, I myself never back down from a fight on my Thief/DD regardless the class. Scrapper, on an equal skill level, should beat the thief, however, some of us want to learn to fight and beat you and the only way to do that is to fight you.

Call it what you will, but to be good or git gud, you have to learn to fight vs good.

I can’t speak for other guilds, however there are a few in my guild that run teef in WvW and one of the leaders (who plays D/D) is PPK focused he tends to lead WvW for the guild and always looking for fights (and if it turns out we can take a camp or tower in the mean time due to fights in/around them then so be it).

We are more of a WvW focused guild with a small focus in PvP and our home is in SF. Were not a big guild, but we don’t want to be a big guild. We like not being just another guild member.

I can’t speak for all thieves, however if they are fighting in a ZvZ or BvB then there are some rules we must follow for survival. Unfortunately a lot of those I see (myself included from time to time) will either:

A.) Over-extend (This is what im guilty of, periodically)
B.) Try to play hero and spike down someone in the red circles of death
C.) Try to snipe the driver in the middle of his zerg/blob while they are attacking.

As mentioned, I over-extend sometimes, however I can say with full honesty that I usually get my kills and in a ZvZ setting, my kills to death ratio is in my favor.

As a DPS thief, I beat my cancer brethren maybe ~65% of the time in a 1v1. Thing is about a condi is that they are either venom share or D/D perma evade. Venom share I eat their condi attacks, quickly cleanse (as they usually have all venoms popped right away) and away we go.

For perma evade, Keep ranged and let them drain their endurance/initiative trying to load you up. Where I tried this build (to learn to counter it), openings to CC are small but they are there and they don’t do range well

I will say I did see a trapper condi DD about 2 weeks ago. Didn’t realize what he was until i triggered traps, he tried top condi me but failed (timed cleanse ftw)

They are def strong and does take more time to learn to fight them than fighting DPS but downing them is so much more sweeter when you do.

XenesisII.1540:

We don’t need to vote on unlinking, just don’t give FA a link next time as its seems from multiple sources not to want one.

SMC is fine, leave it alone.

Desert bl would probably require too much effort and time to rearrange structures, time they could be using on another new borderland map.

Don’t cut down skirmish tickets needed, do an equal balance the amount you get from every chest instead of back loading more than half into the last chests.

Every commander tag should have it’s own shape for each color, and sides should have have their own shapes as well not just enemy shown as triangles.

Bring back quaggans for what?

Put in chat suppression for chat spammers.

Wvw team has no control over pve skill balancing or elite specs.

What are the sources that they do not want a pairing? I hear SF has been helping them nicely.

TheDevice.2751:

Stealth then auto res whoever gets down. You cant do enough aoe to keep them from ressing.

Poison and CC can take care of that

Depends on the build of the thief:

If it’s staff, these types will usually spam the #5 skill which can result in a quick loss of initiative (not all the time as there are some players who dont vault spam but a ton of them do)

P/P: projectile blocks ftw. Also runs out of initiative quickly due to Unload spam and if you force them to miss even 1 unload shot, they don’t get the bonus initiative. These types are also easy to interrupt

D/P: This one is kinda tricky where they can stealth when they need to. One trick is to stand in their red smoke field ring to force them to stop stealthing, thus wasting init on stealthing more. Shadow Shot can hit pretty hard (You see a dark projectile that when it hits you, they teleport to you). When they are stealthed, expect this (watch for the dark projectile) or the steal + backstab combo.

Being an ele yourself, you can negate a lot of the DPS damage by traiting in earth line and taking Stone Heart (its the crits that hurt the most and a lot DPS thieves rely on the crit damage for these 1 or 2 shot kills).

Earth also has blinds, which can really hinder a thief. If you are running S/F, you have immunities/reflects/blind/cripple (if tempest) all while on earth. D/F is crip/immob as well.

Ive seen some wicked Arcane vanilla ele’s take out thieves lik ethey were nothing, with auras (like that one that pops and you get no damage) and arcane skills for great damage even when ranged.

You get extra PiP’s for getting tops in PvP? O-o

Unfortunately YT doesnt work for me at work…I assume they are condi and if they are, ive come across one (on JQ I believe). Running all venoms (at least 3 anyway) and stealthed more than I could. Thinking he was maybe TB or Viper

FrownyClown.8402:

just think if you are playing staff then you have to be realistic in your expectations for it.

This…this right here sums up sooooo many threads about wanting to use a specific weapon or something non meta that may not work and complaining that its not working.

Very well put. I applaud you good sir and/or madam

flog.3485:

Sure Dh is such an OP class that every top players pick /s Don’t mindlessly spam your skills, take notice of the skills a Dh uses and you will see it is not an OP class. It was obviously OP as hell before with daze on traps but they already have had a series of nerfs, it is fine now.

Screw traps, burn DH is frigging unbalanced. I picked it up for PvP recently and am dominating in my matches.

Remember, its when you interrupt. This 1 trait is usually my “win or die” damage. Its strong when you land it and in intense fights where I am low on HP, if I can nail this, people will typically run/play defensively as it drains a good amount of HP and forces them to rethink their strat, allowing me to re-position and get some HP back.

Man, frost bow was the bomb a long time ago. Was my fav conjured skill (still is)

All depends on the commander I guess. While on my thief that I was doing well on, got invited to a squad. Asked if they were sure that they wanted a DD on their squad and the commander said “Why Not”?

in my server linkings, I have never seen this. Only time I have was a long time ago when I was on CD.

Taobella.6597:

thief fix a lot of blobing problem with zerging meta just has not accepted them in to it yet.

Love it when my buddies and I run our DD’s and go after the tails of these blobs, and half of the blob chases us (leaving their blob a lot smaller), only for them to run back and we turn around and chop off their tail.

THAT is how to reduce the size of a blob. Its amazing how far ppl will chase you.

Havent been to PvP since update…is this adding more toxicity to PvP.

phokus.8934:

FA saying they don’t blob? What this is this madness? Every server does.

Where did I say that FA doesn’t blob? Please read further than 5 words as I assume thats what happened.

Aeolus.3615:

lel…. so much zero group cohesion…. what is this video suposed to be?

btw where is half of your blob? called FA. >:}

Trust me, FA doesn’t blob nearly as bad as JQ (or other servers that will not be named)

FA actually likes fighting JQ’s blob as theirs usually outnumbers FA but FA still manages to push through

ArcanistSeven.8720:

and this is why i dont play WvW to much because my favorite class is thief but they are pretty much useless and easy as kitten to kill when i play other classes. with the nerf to backstab and all the reveals in the game which hard counter an entire traitline to the point where no one plays it anymore your better off spamming shadowshot twice than setting up for a backstab. i also believe WvW and PvE need to be balanced separately look what happened to rev they nerfed its boon duration for WvW and it not only destroyed its viability to raids it also destroyed raid diversity.

I can’t speak for your side for your side of things, however a lot of thieves that I see (both friendly and enemy) are pretty strong. Also despite the “many reveals” there are still lots roaming that I see (heck, I play one myself, mind you I run revealed Training so im down if someone wants to reveal me lol).

I understand its a fresh install but maybe do a repair on the client?

Jayne.9251:

Junkpile.7439:

Why can’t we lose pips if we lose tower or keep. That would motivate players little bit.

I actually love that idea, but I suspect we are in the minority.

I’m not sure the OP realizes there’s more to WvW than just blobbing.

To be fair, lots of people (even a lot of WvW’ers on most servers) don’t realize there’s more

HeadCrowned.6834:

jbondo.9817:

Amityel.5324:

nope sorry but i want to actually play in pvp not wait till i spawn

A simple solution to your problem would be to stop dying.

Bunkers get more and more appealing….

Back to the bunker meta if this happens. We all know how much fun that was eye rolls

If that happens, may bring my Bunker Buster Butthead Scrapper back from the dead