Hello all,
One reason I left PvP for WvW was due to the level of toxicity is less in WvW. Sur eyou get the occasional idiots that jump on dead bodies (even when in an outnumbered situation) or throw siege, laugh, or teabag. It still isn’t as bad as PvP.
I have always tried to WvW with respect. I will /bow at the end of good fights to show this respect.
I may get salty whispers from time to time, however nothing short of amusing when I do get them. Still better than PvP.
Last night, there was a good fight where it was a 2v3 (we were 3) in our camp, and the 2 (DPS reaper and rifle scrapper) did very well. They downed 2 of us, almost 3 (i barely survived) and took out a bunch of NPC’s as well. I did my /bow and got a whisper.
I was expecting a salty whisper but it was an appreciation whisper for showing respect to them. I was floored that someone actually took my /bow for how it was meant. Even made a new friend out of it. Later in the night, /bow a DH that I downed by his zerg (bailed as they were rushing me to rez him), saw him later when I was afk (cleaning inventory) and his zerg was taking the camp i was near. He didnt attack, just jumped around me. I was startled so I bailed, he dropped traps somewhere and I (i knew they were there but forgot?) and triggered them, dropped and he came up to me, waved, then left me to res.
First time(s) I saw mutual respect in WvW. I loved it. Sure i got more bad whispers of salty ppl but those 2 acts were the best things I have experienced (that, and a wicked portal bomb into lords room that I set up a long time ago…that was also awesome).
TL:DR; Some people are morons, and some people are worth the respect you give them in WvW.
Anyone else have any awesome experiences from opposing players?
Those sorts of experiences are few and far between….but yea, I have experienced a few. Makes you smile a lot when it happens. And yea, I always try and show respect after good fights, whether I win or lose.
My most recent experience of that nature didn’t even involve fighting. I was messing around roaming late, late one night several weeks ago….things were pretty slow, so I went out to pick up a few miscellaneous dailies. Was coming up on this enemy sentry, and just before I got to him, noticed this enemy player approaching it as well….we both stopped short of the sentry and waited to see who would attack first….neither of us did, so we both slowly approached the sentry and then killed it together and waited around to get the daily, then backed off and bowed to each other before heading off in our own directions. It was very late, and I was tired….otherwise I probably would have attacked the enemy player…..in the end it was just a nice, unique experience of cooperation(even though we didn’t need to as sentries are ezpz). I got a good chuckle and smile out of it….(the enemy player must have been tired, too….lol)
And fwiw, have also experienced this same sort of thing when taking a camp solo and a solo enemy player has come in and helped…..only has happened a couple times in several years, and has almost always been really, really late.
Fun when it happens, but 98% of the time it is kill or be killed, and then show respect if it was a good battle.
This is what im talking about. I love hearing good stories from WvW. It may be few and far between, however its one reason I love the game mode (and ofc wide scale PvP cause even I still need my PPK’s lol)
I could switch things up and be better 1 v 1 but I hit the target and if the fight is longer than 30 seconds then I poof and run.
30s? Thats very sluggish, you need to up your game. Most thieves will run away after they realize they cant kill something in 2 seconds because that might actually be something dangerous.
HA!… I at least try. There are times 2s isn’t a bad idea but by 3s I realize it but I am downed :P
I am a fairly balls to the wall teef. I only run during a fight when either:
1.) I have 20 stacks of condis on me (usually thanks to a lucky condi bomb from a reaper)
2.) If I want to kite the opponent while I wait for certain CD’s to recharge
3.) If I need a moment to re-think my strat vs the opponent, where then I go back and change something up.
Even if the fight lasts more than 3 seconds, 99% of my fights i go all in until someone dies.
I am built more for some hard power damage quickly with a little toughness. If I can’t get them down within 20 to 30 seconds I already know I am up against a veteran who knows how to counter or condi cancer is getting to me
So I know when to fight and when to leave. So many times I have taken down a necro and then get downed from the condi and then the race is on who can kill with downed skills first. lol
Im more Marauder/Valk set up myself. I hear ya tho about if a fight lasts more than 20-30s, either im bad or they are good lol. I recently found a VoD clip on my twitch (and clipped it..cause…ya know…science) where i was in a 2 minute fight vs a scrapper. Most thieves would have bailed, however like I said, im all in until someone dies (that and he was a kitten during other encounters…laughing/siege throwing whenever he caught me while outnumbering me).
First time I caught him in a 1v1 and it was that one (saw him again and 1v1 fight went a lot quicker…he wasn’t as good then). There isn’t a class I wont fight as I have beaten many of them all (feels good when you lose so many times you actually learn little tricks)
That being said, we (Thieves) have many counters. Condi sustain, ranged pressure, AoE, reflect (for most thieves) and other bursty builds. If we didnt have the stealth we do, or the mobility, we would still be almost free kills. Its an easy class to pick up, but not as much to do damage and survive where we are very squishy…
Granted I still think Bandits Defence needs a nerf/balancing as it needs it (and this coming from a teef)
I can’t tell if he is in the party with 3 and getting killed by thieves, or if he runs into a party of 3 thieves.
If you can’t 3v1 a thief, then its an all around l2p issue for your group. Adapt to it, make some changes to your build or playstyle. Some thieves got good by losing to a lot of warriors and vice versa.
If you are getting killed by a group of 3 thieves, then what do you expect? 3v1 usually goes in the favor of the bigger side, pending each person’s skill/build. Also…3 thieves should beat a berserker. If 1 berserker/warrior beats a group of 3 thieves, then the thieves reaaaaally need to get good.
Either way, it all boils down to l2p and adapt. It may help to elaborate what you are saying, maybe also provide us some some of your build details so we can help, instead of instantly crying on the forums. It usually works better that way
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What makes Scrappers so scary? They bore the player and the opponent to death.
So true. I was fighting an Ele over a camp 1v1 for nearly 5 minutes. She eventually disengaged, went to /sleep then ported back.
While I like sustain builds, I really hope we get a true burst build with the next xpac.
This is why taking Blast Gyro over Bulwark isn’t really such a bad idea, especially if the other team has no dragonhunters or druids. You may not kill people, but you’ll at least decap points on them.
Shoulda mentioned, this was WvW, not sPvP. BUT valid point all the same, I actually haven’t tried blast gyro in a loooooooong time.
For both WvW and PvP, i had a wicked non meta build that used 4 gyros and 1 elixir. I could 2v1 and 3v1 like a champ. I made it during the PvP bunker meta (S1 or 2, i dont remember). Was tired of ppl complaining that you can’t kill anything so I made a build that did and very effectively. When the bunker meta died, the build worked wonders vs DPS builds.
Never seen anyone run the build I did and I was proud of it. Unfortunately all good things came to an end and with 1 small change from Anet, made the build close to useless
Hoping some day they revert the 1 small change that destroyed my build.
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4hp OP, please nerf
I am not what I consider an elite player. I am older than most here and do not have those reflexes. I still hunt and peck when I type oftimes in battle hitting the wrong key on my keyboard when wanting to use a certain skill (as In oops weapon swap , I did not want that I wanted the AA).
I HATE when this happens. Im ready to stealth burst someone as a thief, when I steal for back-stab then mash my auto, I swap to my other weps and screw my backstab up with a stealth pistol auto 
" unkillable"
My “core” condi Engi eats Scrappers for breakfast.
A scrapper p/p build is even stronger and will burn them just as good.
I will have to digress on this one. My P/P engi has beaten many condi scrappers. The scrapper line brings nothing trait wise to the condi table. The only reason people take scrapper for condi is the sneak gyro.
My glueshot + FT, more often than not, takes care of those that camp in their sneak gyro. (maybe i typically go up against new condi scrappers which is feasible as my teef kills most scrappers…idk tho)
Granted I don’t play cancer builds nearly as much anymore as most condi application abilities are grossly unbalanced (may play a burn DH in PvP when I get bored of my other toons).
Out of all the encounters I remember (and have recorded) vs condi scrapper whilst on my condi engi (maybe 12 different people with more than 30 encounters in the last 4ish months), i may have gotten beat by 2 diff people maybe 6 times total(both were running tool kit for that pull condi bomb when I started seeing condi scrappers so was inexperienced at what to watch for)
Despite some arguments here, when I was playing my pewpew druid, I “loved” the bug that allowed my channeled rapidfire to still hit those in stealth. As long at i started channeling it just a hair before the stealth happened, still hit. Never understood why as stealth is supposed to break your sight awareness.
Playing a D/P + P/P teef, unload also does it. Its still a pain in the kitten to deal with as it is a bug that anet has no intention of fixing, it still doesn’t make sense that it happens and being on both sides of the situation, can hinder the enjoyment factor of gameplay for those that play any class that stealths (teef, mes, engi, ranger)
Either way, the way it is, if I play something that uses stealth vs something with a channeled attack, I gotta watch my timing as previously stated, Anet doesnt care about that bug so you gotta roll with it and adapt
Who said it was a bug?
Ill have to locate the source, however I know I read on a couple of places (at least 1 or 2 from a GW2 dev) that it was something that was not intended, however something they do not plan on fixing. Call it a bug or exploit either way, it shouldn’t have been.
Despite some arguments here, when I was playing my pewpew druid, I “loved” the bug that allowed my channeled rapidfire to still hit those in stealth. As long at i started channeling it just a hair before the stealth happened, still hit. Never understood why as stealth is supposed to break your sight awareness.
Playing a D/P + P/P teef, unload also does it. Its still a pain in the kitten to deal with as it is a bug that anet has no intention of fixing, it still doesn’t make sense that it happens and being on both sides of the situation, can hinder the enjoyment factor of gameplay for those that play any class that stealths (teef, mes, engi, ranger)
Either way, the way it is, if I play something that uses stealth vs something with a channeled attack, I gotta watch my timing as previously stated, Anet doesnt care about that bug so you gotta roll with it and adapt
Yep, looks good on paper, CS deals with the loss of crit damage from marauder nicely and the food plus revealed training makes up for the power. I’d probably put draining over bloodlust on D/P as it adds a lot of sustain plus the 1k damage per interrupt, and on the whole you’re more likely to use headshot on D/P than P/P esp with the ini issues already mentioned.
The biggest problem with dropping trickery (or deviating from the meta at all, actually) is other thieves. You’re not going to have the interrupt on steal so your spike with D/P is less than the meta’s (unless you preload basi), and a smart D/P thief will just headshot you as you try to unload, not to mention the mobility difference from not taking shortbow. So you’re going to have to think about how you approach those fights, as a meta D/P thief will likely have more options.
You’re also missing bountiful theft, which is a godsend if you’re going for interrupt damage as it’s instant cast and strips stab. This depends on playstyle tho, if you use headshot rarely and go for bigger spikes you may not miss it so you’re gonna have to weigh that up yourself.
Tbh tho, if it works go for it
Thanks for the input. There are some things I will miss from TR (daze on steal for a well times pulm impact…esp if a thief gets the jump on me its easy to interrupt them to make them back off for a sec)
This is what I run now (still not meta but its been working way better than the meta build for me)
I never take staff or sb. Can’t stand vault spammers as they are easy af (kite the 4 vaults to waste their ini then have fun with them) and I never cared for sb (the heal helps with my mobility as it gives more endurance) so mobility isn’t an issue. At the most, I can push 4.1k power in the middle of a fight, start a fight with a bit over 3300 plus additional percentage modifiers.
Its not meta and thats one reason I love it. I find this build makes me less mobile than the meta, so I was looking into something a bit more different while still being able to burst down faster/better than meta while being able to survive most DD’s bursts (its surprising how many DD’s I see that cannot burst down other DD’s who are not running Bandits defense)
TL;DR Thanks for your input
Not a problem ^^ Honestly non-meta is fun, I still enjoy taking S/P with meta traits or D/P bound max damage traits and seeing how far I can get. Staff for me is useful for zerging if there’s not enough space to move around the enemy (wall fights etc) but is less potent 1v1 because of the issue you mentioned. I just accept that when playing these specs I have a disadvantage vs other meta thieves since that’s the optimal +1 build, so it very much depends what I’m running into while roaming. Honestly most things have been dropping to condi recently so I’ve been running that when solo roaming.
And tbh, I don’t run into that many really good DD’s these days. There’s one or two on each server I regularly get matched against that I have to look out for, but the majority seem new and easily baited. So you not needing the extra stunbreak doesn’t surprise me much.
Im always looking for good DD fights (or vs anything good fights lol) as I still have much to learn. What server you on?
Yep, looks good on paper, CS deals with the loss of crit damage from marauder nicely and the food plus revealed training makes up for the power. I’d probably put draining over bloodlust on D/P as it adds a lot of sustain plus the 1k damage per interrupt, and on the whole you’re more likely to use headshot on D/P than P/P esp with the ini issues already mentioned.
The biggest problem with dropping trickery (or deviating from the meta at all, actually) is other thieves. You’re not going to have the interrupt on steal so your spike with D/P is less than the meta’s (unless you preload basi), and a smart D/P thief will just headshot you as you try to unload, not to mention the mobility difference from not taking shortbow. So you’re going to have to think about how you approach those fights, as a meta D/P thief will likely have more options.
You’re also missing bountiful theft, which is a godsend if you’re going for interrupt damage as it’s instant cast and strips stab. This depends on playstyle tho, if you use headshot rarely and go for bigger spikes you may not miss it so you’re gonna have to weigh that up yourself.
Tbh tho, if it works go for it
Thanks for the input. There are some things I will miss from TR (daze on steal for a well times pulm impact…esp if a thief gets the jump on me its easy to interrupt them to make them back off for a sec)
This is what I run now (still not meta but its been working way better than the meta build for me)
I never take staff or sb. Can’t stand vault spammers as they are easy af (kite the 4 vaults to waste their ini then have fun with them) and I never cared for sb (the heal helps with my mobility as it gives more endurance) so mobility isn’t an issue. At the most, I can push 4.1k power in the middle of a fight, start a fight with a bit over 3300 plus additional percentage modifiers.
Its not meta and thats one reason I love it. I find this build makes me less mobile than the meta, so I was looking into something a bit more different while still being able to burst down faster/better than meta while being able to survive most DD’s bursts (its surprising how many DD’s I see that cannot burst down other DD’s who are not running Bandits defense)
TL;DR Thanks for your input
Looks decent, the only thing I might change is the elite for double interrupt and large damage (easily over 10k potential on the whole chain).
Thanks for that suggestion. I will sometimes swap that up during outnumbered fights for the faster stomp and use basi so I can nail my initial burst (which, thanks to revealed training and the food, I can push 3600+ power) and drop them faster, so I have been tinkering with both elites.
Again, thanks for the input
As a teef…I rarely zerg, however if there is a ZvZ open field fight, I have a massive joygasm.
I do run camps and protect those we need to keep (where we need sups at certain locations).
I do run dollys or trigger my speedy/invuln dollys to help the sup runs
I do driver snipe in a ZvZ scenario once I determine who the driver is, until then, all back/side line enemies are my target (Starting with reapers)
I also pugmand (not as frequently as I used to)
I set siege for friendly commanders who are coming by (both cats/rams and AC)
My guild loves to cut tails on moving groups
I am far from the “best” in WvW (very far), however its hard to measure who the best is as its all subjective. A lot of us do pull our weight and thats the main thing