Guild Wars 2

Ziggityzog.7389:

Bigpapasmurf.5623:

Ziggityzog.7389:

Necro with the right build it roams thru all classes pretty easily.

I have 3 necro friends (1 at least mained it for 2+ years) and he states that necro is too slow and easily ganked/kited to be a good roamer class.

Any truth to this?

That’s new to me being on necro for about 3 years now as main. I wouldn’t play it if it wasn’t good. If they say slow and easily kited then they have build issues. I seem to kite and spike just about everyone 1v1 lol.

You run DPS, Condi or Hybrid? I am actually intrigued as Necro/Reaper is one class that I rarely lose to (Ive lost to maybe a handful due to either I screwed something up or it was a condi reaper that forced out my utilities and endurance so I had nothing left)

Ziggityzog.7389:

Necro with the right build it roams thru all classes pretty easily.

I have 3 necro friends (1 at least mained it for 2+ years) and he states that necro is too slow and easily ganked/kited to be a good roamer class.

Any truth to this?

AikijinX.6258:

Just like the title explained. Why remove it.

The extra HP you got from Robust % made or broke builds. If you plan to implement something just to take it away in the future, why go through with it at all. Same with the guard stacks (Extra power and Vitality for every stack.)

Will there be any other options on HP increases via World buffs? (minus ruin buffs)

Your Daredevil should have plenty of HP without it

Welcome back to NA btw, can’t wait to go vs Mag so I can finally fight you

Ruru.1302:

Bigpapasmurf.5623:

Comprissent.3856:

Bigpapasmurf.5623:

They mostly play anything that can gank single players…hence why they spawn camp…a lot. Outside of groups they are kitten to fight as I find (and have mentioned/proved several times on and off stream) that in a fair fight (or when they slightly outnumber you), most of them falter. If you use any sense of strategy against the majority will crumble (as there are some that know how to fight without having 2 times your numbers lol)

Those who spawn camp/gank use the same tired tatics. There are 1/2 DD’s, a mez that mass invises and/or uses that curtain, a hammer scrapper with sneak gyro for the group stealth, 2 pew pew druids, and 2/3 DH’s (usually at least 1 condi) plus whatever other pugs want to join them. Ive led a smaller group out one of the sides (as its mainly in EB they do this while another bigger zerg takes everything on your side…this is why they do it) and behind the spawn campers and wiped them easy (portal bomb ftw).

God I miss fighting vs MAG spawn campers…you guys are the most fun and reward lots of loot bags xD

You’re a skill clicker as seen on your twitch, i guarantee you nobody on Maguuma’s dying to you

Ah, looking for personal insults as a form of defense…. cute…. Too bad I have clips to back what I said up. Don’t be mad tho, not all Mag are bad…as I have previously stated. The fact I click some skills means nothing. I still get my kills and trust me… insinuating that all Mag (or even all WvWers on any server) never die to skill clickers shows me how little you know or care to admit.

I bid you luck on trying to drag anyone down to your level here

I have a hard time believing you got any bags whatsoever from Mag spawn campers when every single time I’ve spawn camped the opposing server literally walks 2 steps out of spawn, gets epi’d and insta-dies.

Also, you claimed you can beat the majority of mag roamers in 1v1’s. I watched like 5 minutes of your stream and man, why you lying?

HAHAHA ah was waiting for this from someone from Mag. Couple things wrong with what you said so let me help by clearing a few things up.

1.) Not once did I say I beat the majority of roamers in the whole server (nothing even close either so why you lying?) but that I love fighting spawn campers.

2.) We haven’t fought Mag in a little while now (should be soon tho) so clearly you weren’t paying attention as I also didn’t say anything like “Were against Mag right now” or even insinuated it so that assumption is all on you mate.

I can “again” admit that im far from pro, however after dying a couple times, believe it or not, some people actually do change up their strat and gasp succeed.

Seeing how this thread is going to get taken down at some point…again…how about someone say something constructive instead of making up things to “try” to call someone out individually?

Orrrr….Maybe its Anet’s way of getting more people into EotM (go there while queued) and hope people appreciate it as a WvW area instead of a pure ktrain WvW wannabe area?

They mostly play anything that can gank single players…hence why they spawn camp…a lot. Outside of groups they are kitten to fight as I find (and have mentioned/proved several times on and off stream) that in a fair fight (or when they slightly outnumber you), most of them falter. If you use any sense of strategy against the majority will crumble (as there are some that know how to fight without having 2 times your numbers lol)

Those who spawn camp/gank use the same tired tatics. There are 1/2 DD’s, a mez that mass invises and/or uses that curtain, a hammer scrapper with sneak gyro for the group stealth, 2 pew pew druids, and 2/3 DH’s (usually at least 1 condi) plus whatever other pugs want to join them. Ive led a smaller group out one of the sides (as its mainly in EB they do this while another bigger zerg takes everything on your side…this is why they do it) and behind the spawn campers and wiped them easy (portal bomb ftw).

God I miss fighting vs MAG spawn campers…you guys are the most fun and reward lots of loot bags xD

Tbh Thief/DD is THE best roamer class due to their mobility. What should be asked is what is the next best roamer… which would be mesmer imo.

Chaba.5410:

Swamurabi.7890:

I got to diamond, thanks to being outmanned by JQ.

Same.

Also same

HamHat.5201:

I find a lot of people only know the meta. What’s funny about that is the meta only works if it matches your play style, so many people don’t play into their builds strong suit. Those are the same people that cry when you aren’t playing the meta. Just tell them that’s what you are playing and they will blame someone else.

^This

3 years ago this wasn’t as much of an issue as people knew how to adapt. There was no “meta” and lots of people were happier.

Arcaedus.7290:

mrauls is a seasoned pvp player, he’s not having l2p issues. I’m guessing he’s making this suggestion as a way to boost guardian’s viability in spvp.

I think I’d be fine with this change if engi’s were allowed to cancel elixir s early as well.

Theres a slight difference, one is for a pure invuln, another is an invuln with gaining 3 abilities back. There’s more to the guardians then the engi’s so the comparison isn’t even the same. I may not be a guardian main anymore but personally I think its fine where it is. He may be “seasoned”, but there are lots of guardians that still make it work. Its all about how you set it up (so a slight l2p)

Ive seen some amazing arcane vanilla ele’s burst harder than a DD and have those auras that negate damage for a few seconds.

Even seen these win a 3v1.

99% huh, either an exaggeration or just trolling. I have yet to see a thief (even those on leaderboards) be able to wipe “99%” of their opponents. Do you stream by any chance so you can back up this claim?

Maybe if the necro isnt running corrupt boon or condis then maybe the engi has a kitten

Must be what you mean.

Tomiyou.3790:

There is only one thing you can do to make it more comfortable running FA ele. Tell your team you are not support and hope someone switches for support.

Otherwise thank Anet for making the build such a piece of shiet. Brutal words but honest

In all fairness ANet doesn’t directly control specific builds, only the specific traits/utilities/weapons. Its up to the players to make said build. What you should have said was to blame anet for making some utilities and traits such a piece blah blah blah.

I love the “remove damage” idea so it can be used without revealing from stealth…or even make it a tethered ability (and speed the throw up some, slow af). Even if this is all that was done, id use it in a heartbeat

I would normally agree if I didnt become a victim of random high ping spikes that made it look like I was afk (my toon loaded in the match but I was at the loading screen). Took me about 5 minutes into the match before I was finally loaded in (we still won, had to make sure I played my butt off to make it up, and I def contributed lol)

I can see reporting afk for a whole match but don’t auto assume they are intentionally afk or DC (as they may have gotten a random unexpected internet spike or client is crashing)

I am against unlinking.

I have met lots of new friends due to the fact that we’re all against more servers.

More people to duel, more people to sharpen my skills against. More people to learn my weaknesses.

More people to also take out and hunt. WvW has been more interesting since the linking. Some people like it, some people don’t, that the nature of the beast with literally everything.

The term “Identity” seems to be getting misused. No server had a type of “identity” we were all just players in an open field warfare, led by people with colored Doritos over their heads (no disrespect for commanders). We always took points, lost points and fought other players of different size quantities.

People are going to agree with this and some won’t. I’m not gonna cry or complain as its the nature of the beast. Im no snowflake.

Caedmon.6798:

Completely agree,they need to nerf Endure pain to 1 second and increase the cd from trait and util to 90 seconds.Also adren hp need to get toned down to 200hp every 10 sec and healsig need to be 100hp sec and shieldblock duration is waaaay too long,needs to be more like 0.5 sec.headbutt animation is also way too fast i can never dodge it ;/ they really need to make this skill animation slower.Also warri burst dmg need to be cut down 50% on dmg on all weaps and they need to remove cleansing ire from from the game.And please remove blind,confu and daze from mace burst,it makes no sense !. Also ! they need to remove the resistance effect on berserk util and just let it gain adren only.And i think it’s only fair when they increase warri’s weapon swap cd’s to 15 sec.

Thank you.

Trolling the troll…I like you

This argument again…sigh

Anet should NOT implement this change for multiple reasons.

1.) WvW and PvP are different game modes. If this was implemented, they would be the same, thus it will all just be called PvP

2.) Doing this will destroy build diversity, which is what makes WvW more enticing for most WvW’ers compared to PvP. As a thoerycrafter, this is what i believe will cause a WvW to die. Remove diversity is to kill WvW…period.

3.) This will also make all ascended/legendary gear useless outside PvE…which it doesn’t matter in PvE as you can do everything easily with exotic so why bother have asc gear?

I could go on but this post would reach max characters and that’s a lot of typing lol.

Care to elaborate on the reason why so we can have a nice constructive discussion? As it stands, (Not to sound mean, I apologize in advance) it sounds like you are salty after beating someone at farm and sometime happened and they made it back before you were able to fully cap and possibly took the node.

This ofc is an assumption based on lack of information.

babazhook.6805:

Bigpapasmurf.5623:

I personally play these “OP builds” before I lay claim how bad or skill less they are (and when I play them, I play them for a while as I too understand there are those that are easily beaten, either because they are new(er) or having a bad day). Same with the cheese DPS builds (Vault spammer, DPS GS/M+SH zerker for example).

A lot of classes condi sustain can exceed a lot of classes DPS sustain so I can agree that some condis need balancing (inb4 I play a condi engi in WvW/PvP and can pump out some wicked DoT sustain, and a burn DH in PvP when I need an easy win for a daily b/c of this the burn applications are also unbalanced imo).

I played the suposedly OP d/d daredevil death blossom build for about 3 months. I encountered enemies and groups of enemies that fell quickly to it. I encountered enemies that dismantled it in short order. I then retraited out of that build and recognize its shortcomings rarely dying to one.

A simple observation. If a given build can be defeated with regularity by an enemy player and by more then just 2 or three classes (which is the case with the DB DrD build) it can not be deemed an OP build.

Oh I played it too, don’t get me wrong. It was fun at first as I was wrecking small groups but felt dirty of the cheese (played it to learn its evade frames). After experiencing it’s short comings (Not as much mobility and no good ranged condi damage for starters) I started to see some people doing well against me (pewpew druids were still a pain in my butt, trapper DH not so much anymore tho). Range is def a weakness. Anything with over 1k range poses a decent threat. Baiting out the init draining dodges (siggy and physical heal are what you want to force out) is crucial. Issue is they are still unbalanced due to the amount of evades they spew out while dealing a very decent amount of DoT output. If it wasn’t for the 12 back to back evades while doing the amount of DoT, wouldn’t be so bad….but if you can bait out those 12 evades and cleanse when necessary, you are golden (Which means its a l2p issue despite the imbalance)

once you learn to beat their evades, you already won…thank and if you can load them up with condi’s, stop attacking them and wait out the ticks. If you dont attack, they can’t remove that many condis effectively.

Ghotistyx.6942:

Deadly Arts is about dealing more damage or opening up enemies to more damage under various circumstances. That’s why you have traits like Revealed Training (more damage when revealed) and Exposed Weakness (more damage against conditions).

Shadow Arts is about group support. You’ve got traits like Merciful Ambush (stealth ally on revive), Shadow Protector (grant Regen to stealthed allies), and Leeching Venoms (grant lifesteal to allies). It was even more thematic before when you traited to grant Venoms to allies, but it still retains that theme afterwards.

Yes, this is a perfect explanation. Thank you

Fat Disgrace.4275:

Bigpapasmurf.5623:

If the extra initiative was base, I wouldn’t take trickery anymore and go DA/CS/DD (would get a bit over 17.3% damage increase…enough to be a threat to any build). The damage I am getting now is crazy so with CS, damage would be next to godly.

This will def get the “thief is OP” threads train moving really fast lol.

Why? Only vs glass people with no defensive boons or dmg midigation would be effected.

Tell that to the non squishy classes I still tend to burst down (DH/Ber/Condi Necros…etc). giving me more damage this way would be totally unbalanced :p

Robin Skyshroud.1863:

Bigpapasmurf.5623:

Robin Skyshroud.1863:

Since guild wars 1, I always played sword – no one can convince me otherwise because the sword had more consistant DPS and had many offence and defensive capabilities. I’m still playing sword and shield to this very day in Guild Wars 2.

However, unlike Guild Wars 1, GW2 makes sword an ONLY condition damage play style weapon. I’ve tried using sword as a direct source of DPS, but the numbers are quite displeasing compared to ALL melee weapons a warrior can use — unbelievably the mace can hit higher numbers than a sword. Final Thrust is the only high Damage skill the sword has but its activation time is extremely slow that even my grandma can run away from it.

Has the Anet team considered changing sword to be a pure DPS play style and having the bleed condition be applied from a skill, just like the Long Bow can? Seeing how condition damage is in this game, dealing damage solely on bleed is not viable. I rather trade my bleed for some better sword swings.

What does the community think about the Warrior’s Sword?
Does it need a buff?
Should we be able to play how we want or shall we continue to be forced to play as condition damagers?

To answer your questions:

1.) Sword (from what I gather) is fine where it’s at, given the number of weapons warriors have access to.
2. ) They don’t really need a buff. Maybe an adjustment (swap CD for damage kind of thing)
3.) This one is a bit tricky to answer without coming off mean so I apologize in advance. The weapons are what Anet made (as you are aware) so that includes sword. You are choosing to stay with sword, thus you are not being forced by anyone other than yourself to play as a “condition damager” If you were going DPS (which you want to by the sounds of it), and you are sticking to sword, that seems more like a personal choice that you must deal with as you are clearly aware there are better DPS choices.

Sword was set up as a condi hybrid weapon, not pure DPS. I suggest to try to get along with other weapon (mace or axe). I used to play warrior all the time pre HoT and some berserker so maybe a more current warrior/berserker main could chime in with more information.

Hope you find a happy medium and hope to see you on the playing field

I totally understand that I can switch to a whole different weapon, and I do. I guess this game will always be less customizable and less flexible than gw1.

That is something more people need to realize

I find its healthier when you don’t compare gw1 to gw2. Some things were better on one than the other and vice versa. Also I hope i didn’t come off as too mean

Depends on the thief. We would need to know your build for starters.

Mal.1670:

Condi thief where? Zerk is everywhere

Lots of condi theives in my matchup (I find there are lots in JQ as opposed to SBI but there are still a few there too).

I personally play these “OP builds” before I lay claim how bad or skill less they are (and when I play them, I play them for a while as I too understand there are those that are easily beaten, either because they are new(er) or having a bad day). Same with the cheese DPS builds (Vault spammer, DPS GS/M+SH zerker for example).

A lot of classes condi sustain can exceed a lot of classes DPS sustain so I can agree that some condis need balancing (inb4 I play a condi engi in WvW/PvP and can pump out some wicked DoT sustain, and a burn DH in PvP when I need an easy win for a daily b/c of this the burn applications are also unbalanced imo).

Can’t we all just agree to disagree? I don’t care for commanders that kick or require TS in order to be in their squad, however that doesn’t stop someone from either popping their own tag, getting a friend of guildie to pugmand or ask in chat if there is anyone willing to party with you despite not having TS.

Once people start talking about “infringing” on things, that should be an indication that its starting to go somewhere it doesn’t need to. (for reference, I pugmand without requiring TS and I do quite well without it as I typically call targets frequently and most of the party picks up on it, but some people need TS to achieve this or better coordination).

Robin Skyshroud.1863:

Since guild wars 1, I always played sword – no one can convince me otherwise because the sword had more consistant DPS and had many offence and defensive capabilities. I’m still playing sword and shield to this very day in Guild Wars 2.

However, unlike Guild Wars 1, GW2 makes sword an ONLY condition damage play style weapon. I’ve tried using sword as a direct source of DPS, but the numbers are quite displeasing compared to ALL melee weapons a warrior can use — unbelievably the mace can hit higher numbers than a sword. Final Thrust is the only high Damage skill the sword has but its activation time is extremely slow that even my grandma can run away from it.

Has the Anet team considered changing sword to be a pure DPS play style and having the bleed condition be applied from a skill, just like the Long Bow can? Seeing how condition damage is in this game, dealing damage solely on bleed is not viable. I rather trade my bleed for some better sword swings.

What does the community think about the Warrior’s Sword?
Does it need a buff?
Should we be able to play how we want or shall we continue to be forced to play as condition damagers?

To answer your questions:

1.) Sword (from what I gather) is fine where it’s at, given the number of weapons warriors have access to.
2. ) They don’t really need a buff. Maybe an adjustment (swap CD for damage kind of thing)
3.) This one is a bit tricky to answer without coming off mean so I apologize in advance. The weapons are what Anet made (as you are aware) so that includes sword. You are choosing to stay with sword, thus you are not being forced by anyone other than yourself to play as a “condition damager” If you were going DPS (which you want to by the sounds of it), and you are sticking to sword, that seems more like a personal choice that you must deal with as you are clearly aware there are better DPS choices.

Sword was set up as a condi hybrid weapon, not pure DPS. I suggest to try to get along with other weapon (mace or axe). I used to play warrior all the time pre HoT and some berserker so maybe a more current warrior/berserker main could chime in with more information.

Hope you find a happy medium and hope to see you on the playing field

If the extra initiative was base, I wouldn’t take trickery anymore and go DA/CS/DD (would get a bit over 17.3% damage increase…enough to be a threat to any build). The damage I am getting now is crazy so with CS, damage would be next to godly.

This will def get the “thief is OP” threads train moving really fast lol.

Vicious.3042:

Shazmataz.1423:

How many APs do these “Botters” have? Better explanation is that these are alt accounts from other servers taking up map space….
Sad but true, I have heard people say that they do this. Weirdos but some people will do anything to gain advantage or be a pain in the kitten

There was a player named Livid?(will not reveal his full name out respect for privacy), he is infamous in WvW (JQ) in recent weeks because of two things:
1. He intentionally wasting keep’s supply on rams in the lord’s room.
2. He trash talks on team channel, dissing JQ commanders and JQ guilds.
So, these try hard cheaptards do exist in WvW, and yes, they also take up space while doing all the negative things that dangers a healthy gaming community. I hope GMs and Admins become more vigilant, so good players wouldn’t leave the game for the causes we mentioned above.

I find a lot of JQ roamers fit his persona as per your description

/joking

Eventine.8024:

Tongku.5326:

Thank god. So many years of zerker or GTFO is finally over, and hopefully for good.

The problem is, to be a zerker you need power, precision and ferocity (no space for vitality or toughness). To be a condi, you just need condi (and so expertise, if you want), and this give to you 2/1 other parameters to choose

Uh…Marauders gives you vitality you know.

Ruru.1302:

Nocturnal Lunacy.8563:

Yes, please anet nerf all these builds exploiting your lack of being able to program with clairvoyance on knowing everything you do will get abused.

Originally I wasn’t going to comment until I saw this post.

How nice of you to log onto your main account and agree with yourself on your own thread. I know it’s you because I remember spawn-camping your server and you whispered me a racist and childish insult and at which point a FA player pointed out to me that this was your alt.

Mag spawn camps? I have never heard of such nonsense

/sarcasm lol

Sorry…had to comment something to this.

HAHA thief and mes OP. Thats cute

Even using the word “vastly”, nice touch.

If they were “OP” then there would be a ton more of them in every match. One of these “OP” classes will die if you sneeze on them bwahahahaha

If it is true that you main necro than your argument, as it stands, holds no merit. The points you made are fairly weak for your claim. It could help your case though if you put either some calculations into it or stronger facts. Both classes can at least soft counter you easy.

Also instead of making an “x is OP” topic, maybe you should have changed it to either “how do I beat these classes”. At least you would get some helpful feedback and maybe some people will give you tips or offer to spar with ya…otherwise you are openly making a “I need to l2p” thread.

atheria.2837:

Novahh.7426:

To be fair, rangers and theirs are trash in WvW in squad lol I usually kick rangers and theirs too

You’d be alive far longer if you respected all good players on any toon they choose to play.

Don’t tell me you don’t wipe – all of us do, but when some are spec’d correctly and know their skills and abilities better than the other side, you get a huge bonus in all areas.

Not using all good players in a group because of ridiculous biases is why some very good players go into WvW, play for a while, do well but are never respected for the massive gains they are delivering to the team effort and almost never included when they absolutely should be in all things WvW, leave and never come back, being happier with groups that do foster cooperation and communication – which can be found in many groups in all other game modes BUT WvW. And this is especially pronounced in the last year.

Y’all are making me glad I:

1.) Don’t typically join squads (despite the class I am on)
2.) Don’t typically see this elitism in my server pairings.

I am not pro by any standards, however despite on the class I am playing in WvW, I know how to pull my weight and i typically know who to aim for in a ZvZ and stab…never needed it when I play teef as a good teef player will not be where the AoE is, but be where the backline/sideline enemies are, scaring the bacon out of them as they get deleted.

My assumption is SA is about staying in stealth and benefiting from being in stealth whereas revealed training is getting out of stealth.

For venoms….i…er……uhhh……can’t answer that one.

I the only one who thinks its not PvP tailored for PvE players (as previously mentioned a few times), but for WvW players? You have siege, gates, Defender NPC’s and a lord (All WvW components)

Vavume.8065:

TBH unless you are on some backwater server that is desperate for players then as soon as you get a full squad on tag then its time to start kicking the rangers and thieves to make room for more useful classes. You should never take this personally, you were not born a ranger or thief, it was a choice you made, you can use another class and be useful to the people around you, instead of them carrying you.

I was agreeing to all of this until I read the last 5 words. Not all Druids/Rangers/Thieves/DD’s need to be carried. Ive seen these 2 classes be the reason for an ally zerg to have an opportunity to push. The issue is that despite being in a zerg, a druid/DD cannot have the zerg mentality as these require more skill to do good in a zerg setting and most of the players do not seem to understand this (talking about the rangers/teefs) and try to run in instead of fighting smart.

Hell, I may even have a vid of me on a DD in a ZvZ taking out the heavy hitters when others were dying. Saved so many people from being stomped, insta ressed people and def pulled my own weight and can claim to have carried some of these “non carrying classes”.

It boils down to the amount of skill the player has…..both as a class player and a strategic player. Im not saying that all commanders should have these classes in their squad, but more of a “don’t dismiss them before you know what they can really do for the squad”. You will be surprised.

Maybe provide a screenshot of vid next time so some people don’t get angry based on only assumptions?

KStudios.2850:

The basic duties of the solo roamer(s) and Small-man teams:
- Be the eyes of the map’s Commander in locations where their zerg is not present.
- Take any and all enemy camps in your vicinity to disrupt enemy supply tains.
- If possible, pick off stragglers or even cut the tail off of the enemy’s zerg. This can sometimes be done simply by running by and causing the less dedicated followers to squirrel after you.
- Kill any and all enemy Dolyaks in your vicinity. Again to disrupt supply chains and delay keep/tower upgrades.
- Reclaim lost friendly camps. To maintain your own flow of supply.
- Eliminate any enemy players that are a threat to said supply flow.

If you think the above is “useless,” then I can’t vouch for your rationality nor reasoning lol. And almost none of these things really requires the use of a Teamspeak.

Cutting the tail is the best part of a roamer/small group… Having a group of 4 thieves just totally F up a zerg because they dont realize they took out half the zerg…unless you are running calvary then zerg busting is totally epic.

Hitman.5829:

Choppy.4183:

Hitman.5829:

Unbelievable! The regen on warrior has been nerfed over 10 times in the past 5 years and people are still complaining. Based on the history of nerfs to warrior regen, I am convinced this is a Learn to play issue. Use poison, deny burst, spam condition to force warrior to use signet of regen.

In other words, learn to play!

Well, in fairness, we’ve received significant buffs to regen over that time as well. It’s not as though it’s been a steady decline, and the post-AH buff is our period of strongest regeneration.

That said, there is certainly some l2p (hence my suggestions), and I think a minor nerf to how berserker burst procs AH is about all that’s needed on this front.

Well, I disagree that we have received buffs to regen. If you have played the game since day 1, then you know that warrior adrenal health and regen has suffered a lot of nerfs and people still complain to this day. The fact that people complain is an indication that they need to play a warrior and learn to play!

And to prove my point, next time you go to WvW count the number of warriors that you see. Maximum you will count 5 out of the 50+ players in the world. When noobs get owned by a warrior they come to this forums and complain because they don’t know how warrior works. It is a L2P issue!

Not to play devil’s advocate but I did just this and out of the first 25 people I have come across, I have seen about 10 berserkers (you stated they are 10% max seen, however mine was 40% and I was careful to make sure I didnt count the same person more than once.) Also seen 7 condi reapers, 4 DH, 1 rev, 2 DD’s and 1 tempest.

5 out of 50+ may be in your server matchup, please don’t assume it is in everyone’s, else you will be proven wrong again.

As a teef WvW main (coming from Pewpew Druid main) I understand why. Some commanders want a “tried and true” composite team but without getting all squad members in TS/Discord, its usually for naught. From what I have gathered over the last couple years, a lot of commanders are elitist due to knowing that a lot of people do not know how to play these classes in a zerg train.

I personally haven’t been kicked, on the contrary, when a commander invites me, I make sure I state im a DD and ask if the commander can target any special people he wants me to hunt down…otherwise I look for the sideline/backline enemies and start with them (starting with necro’s). One time (when I was actually in TS with the commander) he wanted to look for the driver of an enemy zerg. I happened to notice who it was (support DH), deleted him and stealthed away closer to my group. Someone noticed and praised me for such. Their group backed off to regroup now their leader was on their back not giving boons/reflects etc.

I rarely join squads due to the horror stories of other servers’s commanders, but if they are hunting an enemy zerg, ill def tag along

While I see why Anet specified the 2k rank in WvW, some peoples attitude here abotu those under even 1k are very elitist.

I get you have 2k or over and congrats, you prob earned it, however to dismiss those that (like myself) have under 1k (~500 here) is kinda toxic. To say (for example) 1k is “dipping your toes” is more of an elitist exaggeration. I have done a ton in WvW despite being the rank I am. Taken countless keeps/towers, commanded a lot and even converted a lot of WoW heads into GW2 and into WvW. I don’t mind having those rewards at 2k rank as most of my game time is WvW so I am not complaining about that, but more of the attitude of some of the people that sound like they belong in PvP.

I was also serious about the congrats as it does take dedication to get to that rank despite ktraining or not. Im not discounting the fact you earned those ranks, just stating you were there once too. Lead by example.

Cynz.9437:

I think the reason why they don’t want 2v2 become a thing (e.g. ranked) is because it would show the glaring issues with class balance. We have classes that were forced into one specific role in 5v5 environment for years now, those roles do not exist in 2v2. 2v2 will be probably dominated by bruiser classes and those that don’t fall in such category will demand buffs. Given how much attention pvp gets on first place, i doubt they will invest more into it to juggle between 2v2 and 5v5.

Probably a healy bunker class/build and a hardcore DPS or heavy condi build on every team. One to heal the other while its doing the deeps.

Straegen.2938:

Now that so many are in full PvD mode, WvW is just a farm mode now. I enjoy seeing the new faces but any semblance of defense is seemingly gone. WvW is one dimensional now more than ever. Typically commanders avoid outright fights and often happily leave structures undefended for PPT flipping later.

Maybe others enjoy this style more than I but I would rather have fewer dedicated players than mobs just farming paper. Can there be something in between?

Maybe start a WvW focused group for those with a similar mindset? Thats the only thing I can think of.

Dawdler.8521:

Bigpapasmurf.5623:

To me, a WvW’er (WvW player) is someone who spends most of their online time in WvW.

Could also be someone who post longwinded rants on WvW in the WvW forum. PPT, PPK and PPP working as one.

Dont know if it was a poke at me, but:

1.) What is PPP exactly?
2.) Working as one?
3.) If it was a poke at me, I don’t “rant” that often. Try posting something constructive to the topic. If it wasn’t a poke then I apologize for the assumption.

To me, a WvW’er (WvW player) is someone who spends most of their online time in WvW. Someone who isn’t there to afk or win trading (or whatever its called) but to either :
a.) Offense: Flip camps/towers/keeps (help with PPT)
b.) Defense: defend camps/towers/keeps (Also PPT assistance)
c.) Hunter: Those who seek out and win fights (Helps with PPK)
d.) Assistant: Those who follow the tags and help in any way they can (Can be either PPK or PPT)

Its hard to state a number of hours played in WvW as most people have different real life things they need to do that will restrict the amount of time they can play. Myself, I can usually get away with ~15-20 hours/week on average and at least 98% of that is WvW (not ktraining either). By some peoples elitist standards my rank (~500) isn’t nearly enough to be called a WvW’er, however I dedicate a vast majority of my time and resources to help my server gain points by PPKs and flipping camps and towers (and sometimes keeps) with a couple of my guildies.

We never join a squad, although I may pugmand from time to time, but have no problem flipping a nearby camp for them if they are going for a keep, or joining them for a ZvZ fight (I love my PPK’s lol).

There is also a fine line between WvW’er and true WvW’er. True WvW’er are less toxic (IE throwing siege or jumping on a dead body or whispering salty whispers…ya know…PvP kind of attitude) and are willing to help those with very low ranks, or even when fighting someone with a really low rank (like newbie kind of low) and finishing them off in hopes they stay in WvW and maybe get more people to stay, possibly making a new friend and sending legit helpful whispers. (this section is more optional to the OP’s initial question but thought I would add it for good measure)

TL;DR I guess its how much of your GW2 play time is focused in WvW as well as how much you contribute to your server/score (even if you run yaks all day everyday and flip camps that helps more than you think.) Attitude while in WvW also plays a small part as well.

Tifa.6473:

Bigpapasmurf.5623:

Tifa.6473:

zoomborg.9462:

trailofsalt.6571:

Legendary WvW players? Really? With the current state of balance? You must be joking. This is an MMO. I don’t mean to sound harsh, but you’re being a snowflake. Please spare me the “I work so hard” speech in regards to a game. We all bought the same game you did and your snowflake rant of wanting exclusion speaks volumes to how this once great community is just as toxic and elitist as every other MMO.

Yes legendary, most of these players have stuck with WvW through thin and thick and they’re loyal to a fault. Bold statement but there wouldnt be wvw anymore without them keeping the wheels turning.We all bought the same game, difference is they are genuinely interested in GW2 and how it fares in the future, all u care about is your kitten rewards.

So yes, they arent elitists or special snowflakes. They simply deserve better.Period.
And tbh im only 130 rank and been playing on and off so i will never get most of these rewards but i dont give a kitten, whats fair is fair.

Lol i can’t believe what I’m reading. Legendary wvwers and elitist seriously.

Im just happy roaming with guildies, blowing roamers and small groups up. Im def not pro and my rank is ~500, but 95% if my time is WvW. I get to hunt groups in a slightly less toxic environment then PvP.

Bigpapasmurf your post made me smile and you are a true wvwer. Thank you for making me smile today.

D’awwww shucks. Love the FF7 referenced account name. (Best FF imo)

I WvW to have fun. There are too many things to complain about but ive adapted to everything and just do my best and make crappy jokes while dying due to me overextending close to zergs….or gravity kills me…whichever is closer

In reality I do very well in fights, my build does carry me a bit.

Rifles are clunky but hammers offer pretty decent utility.

A lot of people are probably going to mention a Meta build (inb4)m however ive been recently playing a build thats been doing fairly recent (havent streamed with it yet as I want to make sure I have my rotations down). Still playing with different foods though to see which is beneficial so the food in this build changes. I have this mentality that certain classes/builds need certain elements or stats before I actually play them. You can also swap a utility out for another that fits your playstyle. Im far from Meta but its fun and does a lot of damage.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vdAQFASncTBFpiVXB2XBEqilJjS8ZKgAg+vz79Oc7SmwC-T1BEQBA4CA4P1fejOAms/wGVCSgHAgDV+9NIAgVVSBonyI-w

Karma Crimzin.5079:

Thanks for the reply! I noticed Fist Flurry is kinda weird sometimes to land so i try to land it after I immobilize the target or lock it down some sort of way since at least I believe when it hits it does good burst but i’ll try the signet and test that out too since I think im lacking condition removal.

My next question is about stats I was wondering what a good soft cap for power is? or if there really is one? I have normally 56% crit so I think thats decent enough for damage but i could be wrong but I wanted to see what the power stat cap is to make sure if im doing enough damage or not. I currently sit witht he power signet at 2403- 2500 some where.

This is the build I typically do daredevil in PvP. It works really well and due to the set up, you can swap a sigil for any interruption one. Start any fight while stealthed and steal/backstab or just backstab then steal (as some ppl will try to do an action after backstabbed so Steal will typically interrupt and trigger pulmonary impact which is deadly) as you will get +200 power instantly. If you flank, you get the Haste from Trickery and burst faster.

This also provides great damage modifiers if you can stick to melee. Don;t forget that the stealthed auto from P/P is a weaker version of Unload but still does decent damage (if you need to stay ranged, say fighting a condi reaper). Eventually you will know when to interrupt key skills and proc off that sweet sweet pulmonary impact.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vZAQJAoan8lClOhNOBGOB8PhFaCbuC+BLhaBgJUEwLL8FKDA-TJBXABaWG45HAwxnAAA2fAA

Again, if you need to spar vs someone, look me up in game. I also know its far from meta but its fun to play and it works with my playstyle.